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Moto Bootloader policy News

Motorola has not yet officially responded to the query of this petition, but we are seeing some progress and they have noticed us.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/355098#355098
The Quick State of Play:
Motorola recently stated that there would be an announcement to their bootloader policy that would help to benefit Developers while protecting its users.
(Refer: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=495971028278)
This Groubal is in place to request that Motorola provide an unlocked/unencrypted bootloader option for its end users. This option should be applicable to all currently supported Motorola phones and upcoming phones.
At the very least this should also be a call to have Motorola make its official announcement sooner rather than later.
I encourage the following types of user from the Android community to support this Groubal:
• Developers with a Motorola Phone
• Developers who have left Motorola due to this reason
• Developers who will not touch a Motorola phone due to this reason
• Advanced Users with a Motorola Phone
• Advanced Users who have left Motorola due to this reason
• Advanced Users who will not touch a Motorola phone due to this reason
• Any End User that believes in the openness of the Android Platform
Please also spread the word about this Groubal on Facebook and Twitter and use the following hash tag to help it trend. #unlockmoto
Also consider following me on twitter if you want to keep involved:

check out moto's fb page!! over 16,000 people voted on their fb poll to unlock the bootloader!! hopefully they unlock the bootloader
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alx294 said:
check out moto's fb page!! over 16,000 people voted on their fb poll to unlock the bootloader!! hopefully they unlock the bootloader
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they better be soon..

mediaon said:
they better be soon..
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It will never happen. Sorry. Believing otherwise is giving Motorola too much credit. When you carefully read the facebook announcement it says nothing. They were just defusing a PR bomb.
Motorola releases more devices than they can support and we were triaged. As recently exposed by Cincinnati Bell, Motorola has already been lying to our faces by telling us that it's the carriers that refuse them to allow 2.2 updates for the XT720. Motorola screwed Cincinnati Bell, and now Cincinnati Bell is selling Samsung. Motorola are snake oil salesmen from Texas. End of story.

Mioze7Ae said:
It will never happen. Sorry. Believing otherwise is giving Motorola too much credit. When you carefully read the facebook announcement it says nothing. They were just defusing a PR bomb.
Motorola releases more devices than they can support and we were triaged. As recently exposed by Cincinnati Bell, Motorola has already been lying to our faces by telling us that it's the carriers that refuse them to allow 2.2 updates for the XT720. Motorola screwed Cincinnati Bell, and now Cincinnati Bell is selling Samsung. Motorola are snake oil salesmen from Texas. End of story.
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so .. disappointed at MOTOROLA ..didn't even give us any updates to fix the bugs in stock 2.1 (low mem when 720p taping,the lag,freeze ,hang problem,slow processing...etc....)..can't believe they treat their customers like this ..such a liar

Motorola promises to unlock our bootloader in the end of 2011. (maybe NOT EVERY ?? )
For everyone speaking german: http://www.android-hilfe.de/news-ankuendigungen/98282-motorola-verspricht-entsperrte-bootloader.html
And for everyone speaking english: http://ausdroid.net/
But I fear that this might be just for new devices

Knoedelkopf said:
Motorola promises to unlock EVERY bootloader in the end of 2011.
For everyone speaking german: http://www.android-hilfe.de/news-ankuendigungen/98282-motorola-verspricht-entsperrte-bootloader.html
And for everyone speaking english: http://ausdroid.net/
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Smartest move moto could make. Hope they update all devices. Older and newer
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It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.
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Guess we'll see whatever is supposed to happen (new or old phones + carrier willingness + Moto not lying) in quite a while...

OTA News

I have searched and searched but it seems as if there is no chatter of any updates to the Ultra. Has anyone found sites with info or any news of possible 4.3 upgrade?

morphius2036 said:
I have searched and searched but it seems as if there is no chatter of any updates to the Ultra. Has anyone found sites with info or any news of possible 4.3 upgrade?
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This same question was asking in the official Motorola forums and the Motorola forum manager responded with;
The link is here, and you can always find it on the home page of this forum, in a red box toward the bottom of the page.
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opt05 said:
This same question was asking in the official Motorola forums and the Motorola forum manager responded with;
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One of these days I might buy a phone that isn't obsolete or passed over for Dev as soon as it comes out. If anyone one wants advice on which phone not to buy just ask me to pick one out and don't choose it.
Let's see Since on VZW
HTC Droid Eris
Moto DX2
Moto Ultra (NOW)
Errrrrr!!

morphius2036 said:
One of these days I might buy a phone that isn't obsolete or passed over for Dev as soon as it comes out. If anyone one wants advice on which phone not to buy just ask me to pick one out and don't choose it.
Let's see Since on VZW
HTC Droid Eris
Moto DX2
Moto Ultra (NOW)
Errrrrr!!
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The Eris had a pretty rich dev community. Lots of devs, with some great GB ROMs, which is remarkable for the crap hardware for that thing. It even has S-OFF for the bootloader.

I mean Official Dev from VZW.
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The official devs come from their respective companies (Motorola, HTC, etc). But we really need to also blame Verizon for their slow (or what they call rigorous) approval process for updates.

Do you think the Droid Ultra and Maxx will get treated as second-class citizens on Verizon? The Verizon Moto X seems to be getting its update.

Can't be long now! Too bad the Maxx/Ultra/Mini community is not heavily steeped in an enthusiasts base. There may already be a soak test out. Anyone a member of the Motorola forum?
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bwheelies said:
Can't be long now! Too bad the Maxx/Ultra/Mini community is not heavily steeped in an enthusiasts base. There may already be a soak test out. Anyone a member of the Motorola forum?
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According to Motorola terms and conditions; a soak test member cannot talk about the soak test (aka fight club). They would get banned on the Moto forums. Best sources would be all the Android blogs, which I believe haven't said anything as of yet.

opt05 said:
According to Motorola terms and conditions; a soak test member cannot talk about the soak test (aka fight club). They would get banned on the Moto forums. Best sources would be all the Android blogs, which I believe haven't said anything as of yet.
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Something must have changed. Every soak test performed on other Motorola phones always become available through the forums before the official OTA drops.
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Actually, a user has to be a forum member AND opted in to the Motorola Feedback Network for each device. This is a subset of Forums members who have volunteered to provide feedback when asked. Members respond to surveys, provide feedback on new software in advance of full release and are a key group they turn to when they need "real user" information.

Already a known quantity. For the other Motorola phone I had, I never took an ota as someone ALWAYS brought it to the enthusiasts forums before an official ota dropped. Is this your first Motorola phone? Have you never side loaded a soak update?
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This is my 3rd Moto device and I have not personally sideloaded a soak update before. Though, I did heavily follow and discuss the Bionic leaked soaks from Gingerbread to ICS that took over a year, that was quite interesting. Has project Cheesecake stopped since people have moved past Gingerbread?

Using a new Verizon Droid? Your update is coming soon
ANDROID CENTRAL - ANDROID FORUMS, NEWS, REVIEWS, HELP AND ANDROID WALLPAPERS | OCTOBER 23, 2013
http://pulse.me/s/sBTDm
Have hope Droid users, you have not been forgotten -- you're just on Verizon Standard Time While a solid date would be better, there's finally some...
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rlmesq said:
Have hope Droid users, you have not been forgotten -- you're just on Verizon Standard Time While a solid date would be better, there's finally some...
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Well OK, but why is the Droid update lagging behind the Moto X update in the first place? They're pretty much the same phone.

reggie14 said:
Well OK, but why is the Droid update lagging behind the Moto X update in the first place? They're pretty much the same phone.
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Is this a rhetorical question, or do you think I somehow have more information than the article I copied & pasted?
My guess would be that the X is on a bunch of different carriers all over the world, but upgrades to Verizon-exclusive phones are delayed by Big Red's process of inserting crapware and approving the upgrade.

reggie14 said:
Well OK, but why is the Droid update lagging behind the Moto X update in the first place? They're pretty much the same phone.
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The Motorola X is Motorola's flagship phone. The Droid Series are phones built under contract for Verizon. They're going to take care of their flagship first.

rlmesq said:
My guess would be that the X is on a bunch of different carriers all over the world, but upgrades to Verizon-exclusive phones are delayed by Big Red's process of inserting crapware and approving the upgrade.
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There's very little in the way of additional crapware on the Droid lineup compared to Verizon's Moto X, and the approval process is almost certainly the same for updates.
doogald said:
The Motorola X is Motorola's flagship phone. The Droid Series are phones built under contract for Verizon. They're going to take care of their flagship first.
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I would have a lot easier time buying that argument if the Droid lineup had different hardware or required different software than the Moto X. But instead, they're basically the same phones in different cases. It sure seems like the most efficient route would be to develop and test the Droid updates at the same time as the Moto X updates.

The assumption is that they are the same hardware, but I don't think that has been substantiated with any real evidence short of the X8 label. Can anyone prove me wrong?
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jesta192 said:
The assumption is that they are the same hardware, but I don't think that has been substantiated with any real evidence short of the X8 label. Can anyone prove me wrong?
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I sent samurihl the XML files for the X and the full droid lineup for his house if moto he said he couldn't believe how close they really are. Almost identical I am not sure this proves the hardware is the same but I would guess its a pretty good indication. I think the X got the update first because it is on other carriers. I'm sure were not far behind.

Lenovo guts Moto

According to the below article Lenovo is going to gut Motorola, including the software team. I was pretty excited about the Moto X Pure, but i am a little iffy now. Does this shake up change anyone's mind?
http://phandroid.com/2015/08/14/motorola-cuts-2015/

Looks like I will be sticking with my N6 for another year then.

Ugh... You really think it's going to be a big impact going forward?
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Hoping this won't effect the 2015 X too much ... but with reports of the software team getting the boot, I am not too sure

dont think that will be a problem

Hopefully by retaining the President/COO.....the software side shouldn't be affected. What we have now is from his vision
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I thought they said he was one of the people getting the boot.
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Ah just saw the update in the article.. That's reassuring.
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garyHal said:
Looks like I will be sticking with my N6 for another year then.
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You mean the motorola nexus 6? I'm not concerned about this and will most likely get the pure when it is released. Still waiting for more reviews before I pull the trigger
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I am pretty set on the moto x barring a major issue.. Not really a better phone for the price anywhere close to it
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Nothing to see here ... Move along people.
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Moto X Pure is the front-runner at the moment. I'm waiting on the official information about the next Nexus before making a final decision.

Just to add to this thread, I read lenovo is going to rely solely on Motorola to produce and design it's mobile devices. So I wouldn't be too concerned
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After sleeping on this and reading tons of comments I think we need to show our support for Moto now, while there's still some resemblance of what they've been doing on their devices! Because if Motorola continues to "flail" you can all but bet that Lenovo will step in even more and change the formula (they are looking to make money, after all). Last thing we need is yet another manufacturer with a heavily skinned, watered down version of Android! So, I intend to support Motorola and get the 2015 Moto X and show Lenovo that pure Android with limited, yet useful, enhancements/features are what people want!
G4'ed it!

Looking at it from the personal side, I think it sucks what Lenovo is doing. From the linked story; There are also more important positions bound to be affected as the Chicago Tribune reports that a vast majority of the job cuts are in non-manufacturing positions. Motorola might cut more than 500 people by the end of it all, according to sources. People flying in from Lenovo’s headquarters in China will be filling a lot of those roles.
Just what we need, ~500 more qualified Americans out of a job and a bunch more H1B visa holders here.

Feel free not to buy Motorola / Lenovo products then. That is the only recourse you have to a company not being run the way you want - don't financially support them.

So it begins
https://plus.google.com/106812856171606054924/posts/fovPUtfLg1n
G4'ed it!

https://plus.google.com/+KirkStromberg/posts/KCZ6YjEYF8W
G4'ed it!

^ Wow, those last two posts really hit home for me. I'm also facing possible unemployment after my former company was acquired.
Oddly (and possibly irrationally), the fact that Moto X designers are losing their jobs for no good reason just makes me want to buy this phone even more. I'm conflicted.
Damn you, Lenovo!
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^ That sounded bad. I meant that considering all the hard work that these former Motorola employees invested into the Moto X, I would hate to pass it by. But then again, I would hate to support the company that let these talented people go. Hence, conflicted.

With HTC taking a dump and Motorola having profitability issues for awhile, it may be a bittersweet thing but may save Moto in the long run. One thing's for sure, with carriers locking down bootloaders and patching root with automatic-forced updates - having an affordable unlocked and uncrippled flagship device just may be worth saving at the cost of the software department.
One more personal (and possibly self-centered) viewpoint is that I can flash community ROMs or build my own even if they don't release future updates - which is comforting enough for me to continue with my plans for purchase.

[PETITION] Calling all Moto owners

Please sign our petition requesting Moto to provide the Android N update to the Moto G 2015 and Moto G Turbo.
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-please-include-moto-g-3rd-gen-for-android-nougat-update
You may be wondering why I am asking other Moto owners to support the G3 and Turbo by signing our petition... We are asking Moto to simply do what they said when they released the device, by providing fast updates for 18 months and not drop support for this clearly capable device. This could easily effect all of you in the future just like Moto is trying to do to these devices if we don't call Lenovo/Moto on their clear violation of what they stated previously as if they get away with this, what is to stop them from providing updates for any other device in a far shorter time span than promised.
Part of the beauty of Moto devices was the promise of a near stock Android experience with fast updates for an 18 month period, this is one of the reasons many of us purchased these devices over other choices that were available, we should hold Moto to what they sold us on and letting them get away with not doing that now will likely mean other devices will be dropped before their time in the future.
As of this posting, we have over 680 supporters and could still use everyone's support.
I thank you in advance for your assistance. Feel free to share this link in any appropriate group or community you chose.
I would suggest this article for reading, it is one of the best articles I have read recently that is Android related, even if you don't agree with our petition... Moto and Updates: More Planned Obsolesce from Lenovo’s Motorola

Please post a link to where they promised 18 months of fast updates and I'll sign. Since they never updated to 6.0.1 they have already violated that promise.

lafester said:
Please post a link to where they promised 18 months of fast updates and I'll sign. Since they never updated to 6.0.1 they have already violated that promise.
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I can't find an actual link that says they promised, or it was even their policy, to support devices for 18 months, although Moto did agree to follow Google's recommendations (along with most other major manufacturers) of 18 months of updates for capable devices back in 2011 and has mostly followed it since then. A quick Google search of "Moto promise of fast updates" will show you that they marketed the Moto X Style/Pure and G/E models as getting "lightning fast updates".
If you don't want to sign because you don't want to agree with the petition, fine... but Moto has clearly let down their customers on their updates.

Good luck from a Motorola Atrix 4g owner. If you don't know the story on it, I'll give you a shortened version.
Moto stated on their website that the Atrix would be upgraded (specifically by the model), then said it wasn't going to be.
Until the Moto XPE actually gets upgraded, I'm not believing it. So you might be adding this phone to your petition before it's over.
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Moto G is not a flagship. Dont think levono cares about non flagship devices when it comes to updates. Hell, MXP is still on 6.0 lol
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techware7 said:
Moto G is not a flagship. Dont think levono cares about non flagship devices when it comes to updates. Hell, MXP is still on 6.0 lol
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Moto G is not a flagship, but it is one of Motorola's best selling phones as far as I know. That's a lot of people to screw over and leave on 6.0 December security patch like my wife's phone currently is.

I will definitely sign the petition. I don't own a Moto G 3rd Gen but I bought two Moto g 3rd for my parents a few months ago. they don't care about updates but would be nice to get Nougat on their phones. Lenovo is very lazy when it comes to updates.

I signed it. I don't know why manufacturers are so notorious for having horrible updating habits. It's not that hard to keep phones updated. Not to mention the security risk they run for not updating phones.

Done .
The point is why these companies are so stubborn, they sell us a device and then forgot us.
They have this horrible habit.

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has signed the petition... We have exceeded the 1000 signature milestone and received confirmation this be a featured story on at least major Android news outlet in the coming days.
I am still requesting everyone to actively sign the petition.
Again, thank you.
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quakeaz said:
Moto G is not a flagship, but it is one of Motorola's best selling phones as far as I know. That's a lot of people to screw over and leave on 6.0 December security patch like my wife's phone currently is.
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Most consumers that buy these phones don't care as much as you think for updates. Heck I got family members with Lg G4 and Galaxy S6 and they've been having an update icon on their phone and don't care for it. It's the bottom line, plus if it's a top seller, they'll just make the next version and sell more. I love your passion and I'm with you, but believe me the cheap phones will not get as much support as the expensive ones, that's just the bottom line.

Motorola Updates
motorola-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/n-is-for-nougat-android-70-is-coming-to.htm

acejavelin said:
Please sign our petition requesting Moto to provide the Android N update to the Moto G 2015 and Moto G Turbo.
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-please-include-moto-g-3rd-gen-for-android-nougat-update
You may be wondering why I am asking other Moto owners to support the G3 and Turbo by signing our petition... We are asking Moto to simply do what they said when they released the device, by providing fast updates for 18 months and not drop support for this clearly capable device. This could easily effect all of you in the future just like Moto is trying to do to these devices if we don't call Lenovo/Moto on their clear violation of what they stated previously as if they get away with this, what is to stop them from providing updates for any other device in a far shorter time span than promised.
Part of the beauty of Moto devices was the promise of a near stock Android experience with fast updates for an 18 month period, this is one of the reasons many of us purchased these devices over other choices that were available, we should hold Moto to what they sold us on and letting them get away with not doing that now will likely mean other devices will be dropped before their time in the future.
As of this posting, we have over 680 supporters and could still use everyone's support.
I thank you in advance for your assistance. Feel free to share this link in any appropriate group or community you chose.
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done.,...

Pretty good read, probably one of the better written Android news articles in a while... even if you not a fan of our petition, I suggest all users read this article.
http://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-and-updates-how-the-oem-plays-up-on-planned-obsolescence

Recommended reading... Moto and Updates: More Planned Obsolesce from Lenovo’s Motorola

acejavelin said:
Recommended reading... Moto and Updates: More Planned Obsolesce from Lenovoâ??s Motorola
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This is pretty much true for most things today. I've noticed that is a couple of previous phones there was an update that actually occurred right after the 18 month support mark. And sure enough, it seemed to cripple the phone slightly. I'm not surprised one bit.

Good on folks for trying but I wonder how these types of petitions are meant to work. You get the signatures needed, then what? And how is the number of signatures needed determined? Again, credit for trying to speak up about this. I just wanted to understand this method fully.

[PETITION] Calling all Moto owners

Please sign our petition requesting Moto to provide the Android N update to the Moto G 2015 and Moto G Turbo.
https://www.change.org/p/motorola-please-include-moto-g-3rd-gen-for-android-nougat-update
You may be wondering why I am asking other Moto owners to support the G3 and Turbo by signing our petition... We are asking Moto to simply do what they said when they released the device, by providing fast updates for 18 months and not drop support for this clearly capable device. This could easily effect all of you in the future just like Moto is trying to do to these devices if we don't call Lenovo/Moto on their clear violation of what they stated previously as if they get away with this, what is to stop them from providing updates for any other device in a far shorter time span than promised.
Part of the beauty of Moto devices was the promise of a near stock Android experience with fast updates for an 18 month period, this is one of the reasons many of us purchased these devices over other choices that were available, we should hold Moto to what they sold us on and letting them get away with not doing that now will likely mean other devices will be dropped before their time in the future.
As of this posting, we have over 680 supporters and could still use everyone's support.
I thank you in advance for your assistance. Feel free to share this link in any appropriate group or community you chose.

Isn't the problem here that although Motorola suggested an 18 month cycle, Lenovo are now the owners? As such, Lenovo have brought in their own update policy which supersedes Motorola's previous policy.
I would gladly support your little protest, however, it will be in vain.
We tried this when Sony reneged on their support for the Xperia SP.
I'm sure enthusiasts will rally to create custom ROMS for the G - Xperia SP still lives on with Nougat and so will the Moto G.
Either be resigned to your lot; look forward to custom development or move on.
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I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has signed the petition... We have exceeded the 1000 signature milestone and received confirmation this be a featured story on at least major Android news outlet in the coming days.
I am still requesting everyone to actively sign the petition.
Again, thank you.
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