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Petition - google, leave cyanogen alone

i am sure you have all read the news.... google sending cyanogen a cease and desist order
http://androidandme.com/2009/09/hacks/cyanogenmod-in-trouble/
please cast ur vote in this thread as a petition
for anyone who doesnt quite get it, google is threatening the future of custom ROM development...not just cyanogens ROMs
you wanna keep using ur favorite custom ROM? let google know they cant push these guys around
although they cant stop us making roms, they want us to stop including google propriatory apps

Where's the 3rd option for wait and see? Google has every right to do this however that doesn't make it any less ****ty.

a bit late now, cant edit polls i dont think....
anyway, kinda takes away from the impact

I don't think they can do anything about it, they don't know where he lives.

Wow thats great. Cyanogen and devs like him are what are keeping android relevant. Shut down the devs and I for one will go back to winmo.

Won't this affect all devs?
Won't this affect all roms?
If this scenario plays out, we will have a mess on our hands.
Why did the even bother to issue and distribute developer phones?
Maybe I just don't understand.

Maemo 5 is looking better and better. Thanks a lot Google.

This is ridiculous! D:

Google......the new Apple!!

cyanogen has gave everyone something lets show some support

My Google Experience
Sucked!!!!! Not long ago Google and Tmobile sold me a piece of S#!T, that was slow only hold about 20 good apps. I was ready to throw it out the window under a moving bus!!!!! Cyanogen is the only person that made to keep this phone, but if no more usable ROMS, that Nokia N900 is looking real nice about now,or even the palm pre, i guess its time to start saving $ again

wow wtf man. cyan and every other dev really did make android way better then what thery have right now. having root on your android makes using it so much easier. and! all the devs made htc and googles dev's work way better. i think there just jelous becuase they didnt push it earlier. also why didnt they stop haykuro when he was working on 1.5, damn man. lol cyan should make another sn and release it under there and says with help from cyanogen.
open source my a$$.

cyanogen made me rethink the possibilities on my G1, if google follows through with this... dare i say it... ugh I WILL GO TO AN I PHONE.. barrrfffffffff
but i will cause seriously Cyanogen is a genius, they need to hire him to train their own dev's cause their **** aint got nuthin on cyanogen's roms

Didn't google promise us open source well this goes against it in every way
If it is such a big issues than offer those closed source apps on the market and cyan can pull them out of his roms. Problem solved
If google proceeds in this direction, then i forsee android tanking
Every one here is either using something from cyan or has at some point

Wow what a douche move google. The only thing that will end here is probably the busy android dev section. There will always be developing going on forums that allow illegal activity.
We will always have hacked roms . We will just have to move to a new forum unless xda changes there ways.
Anyways looks like some one is jealous of cyans killer skills

They have absolutely no right to do this. Every bit (no pun intended) of the computing world should be open source. Anyone whom feels otherwise is part of the problem and an enemy to knowledge and free thought. An individual whom takes part in the suppression of knowledge is guilty of the highest crimes of humanity, and should be punished justly.

bluecluenj said:
Wow thats great. Cyanogen and devs like him are what are keeping android relevant. Shut down the devs and I for one will go back to winmo.
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Yeah if Google follows through I'm getting the TouchPro 2 and forget about Android. G1 and Android is nothing without custom roms to me.

im amazed we had a vote for "no"
any member of these forums must realize the bigger picture with this....
about 30,000 installs of the CM-Updater cant be lying.....people love and NEED these roms....

While they do have the "right" to do this, it will not benefit them...
If it is the closed source bits that are the issue, then they are essentially saying it's ok to release a rom with every google app removed (no gmail, no maps, no youtube, etc.)
Do they not want their customers to use their services? Do they want me to use a yahoo email account? Do they want me to use mapquest? I fail to see how that would be to their benefit.
If they don't like him releasing these roms then they should do better themselves so devs wouldn't have to release them! Step it up google. I dare you to outdo Cyanogen. I double dog dare you!

Some Devs need to make open-source replacement apps for the one's Google's making a stink about... then Cyan won't have any problems.

What Ive Never Understood...

This may be irrelevant and this thread will probably be closed, but Ive had a few while Im looking for a new rom and it lead me to a question.
WHY DONT ALL THE DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THE ULTIMATE ROM?
Im sure on of the ultimate answers would be based off of preference etc. but if we would all unite towards one specific goal, not only would we have more solid builds... but we would have more versions (lite, etc) but more themes, faster updates, etc.
I mean ive used this site for a couple years with different phones and we all seem to want the same thing. Speed, reliability, better battery life, etc. So why dont we conference, put our individual talents to use, create specific focuses and put together something Google themselves need to compete with.
I know a lot of the devs here already work together and I have no problems with the way things are... nor am I trying to disrepect any of the hard work you all have contributed. I was just thinking out loud.
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There is a similiar Thread already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572788

this is not a development topic. this belongs in q&a

We ARE working together, but we want to create ROMs for different purposes.

'ultimate' is pretty subjective.
it's easy to see all the different, seemingly random threads about different roms and mods and assume there's no teamwork involved, but really, it's just different people trying different things and when one works well most others adapt it. otherwise, everyone has a different 'ideal rom' anyways.
it's a fairly darwinian approach, but it works pretty well. you COULD try to get everyone to organize and work on one idea, but i think we can save that for companies like htc, motorola, huawei, samsung, google, etc.
besides, anyone who follows this or other android dev sites for more than a couple weeks knows which devs to kep an eye on.

what i feel is the ultimate rom, you don't think is the ultimate rom...

the ultimate ROM for me is feature lite, and fast.

despisedIcon said:
the ultimate ROM for me is feature lite, and fast.
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And I like fast and feature heavy. Best of everything. :-D

All of your responses is exactly what I mean... Lets say for example, the devs focused on the fastest, most stable and lightest rom as a base. then moved on a way to easily create or modify a theme.
from there, we could move on to different versions... like a hero or blur, etc.
ultimately, every user is going to pick there favorite programs, so maybe we develop a way to easily choose which programs you want included before you flash the rom and voila...
i mean, im sure im making this sound easier than it might be, but with clear and open communication/ exchanging ideas and coming to a reasonable base... the possibilities are endless.
users could focus on the aesthetics like icons, themes, widgets, etc.
ALL WE NEED IS A SOLID BASE...
sure, there are some talented individuals accomplishing this on their own and thats all fine and understandable. I just know that with the power of many over one... a lot more could be accomplished easier, more deliberately and effectively.
Each dev could have a specialty that they focus on...
1. Themes
2. Troubleshooting
3. Speed/ Framework
4. Battery Life
5. The list goes on...
Create an FTP for everyone to access and we could show Google exactly what theyve been hoping for... which is developers alike coming together for the greater good... again, this is just my opinion, but im glad ppl are leaving their input

and with the choosing of apps example... my idea is, if there were a lite version and an ftp or somewhere to host a list of signed apks that you could choose via checkmark, click download and it would automatically save them to a special folder on the sd card. then, the lite version could have a script that auto runs during the initial boot to install directly from this folder on the sd card.
I guess im just trying to create simplicity for the newbs and the devs or veterans that have been on the site and are tired of flaming or answering the same question.
I say, we streamline this process, create simplicity through orginization and leave more room for progress...
Ok, well thats all i have for now... I mean, I have a lot more ideas, but we'll see where this goes...

It's HTC / Google's fault for releasing different models of the same phone, as most blog publishers are oblivious to the difference and post news under the *insert adverb here* title 'htc magic donut'

Well michael this thread did prove one very important thing. That even if your a senior member on this website you dont know jack. First cyan knows the nines and round here noone can really improve his stuff but him. Hence the reason he wont do his own hero rom. They lag no matter what. Sure you can take out all the widgets cut some fat off rosie. Well hell at that point just theme a donut rom. Running the heros and blurs r fun on g1 and mytouch. But if u ever actually pick up a hero phone or blur phone and test them.... u would see a huuuuuuuuuuuuge dif in performance. So basicly the guys know their crap. All of them. and they do work together. Read a drizzy post. Or other dev post. They always thank whoever for help. And if you want your ultimate rom follow cyan he will make it eventually.

Michaelr219 said:
This may be irrelevant and this thread will probably be closed, but Ive had a few while Im looking for a new rom and it lead me to a question.
WHY DONT ALL THE DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THE ULTIMATE ROM?
Im sure on of the ultimate answers would be based off of preference etc. but if we would all unite towards one specific goal, not only would we have more solid builds... but we would have more versions (lite, etc) but more themes, faster updates, etc.
I mean ive used this site for a couple years with different phones and we all seem to want the same thing. Speed, reliability, better battery life, etc. So why dont we conference, put our individual talents to use, create specific focuses and put together something Google themselves need to compete with.
I know a lot of the devs here already work together and I have no problems with the way things are... nor am I trying to disrepect any of the hard work you all have contributed. I was just thinking out loud.
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You my friend are a pure genius, the problem is users ignorant and ROM makers naturally have low self-esteem. You see, take a guy like Haykuro he built the foundation for the first ROMs on the sapphire. Now he's fizzled out. BUT in the beginning he was the ****... Sure in every ROM maker's thread you will find credits etc. but that's all just ass kissing... You see, NO ROM MAKER DON'T MAKE ****! The only thing they get is an EGO BOOST! Who doesn't like an Ego boost? Developers at Google, HTC etc. Because they make $90,000+ a year doing what they do and they have normal lives with a wife and kids ideally... As for ROM makers on XDA they are either A) former workers at Google, HTC etc. who have grudges against their former employers OR B) they never got a real job working for a high end corporation like Google, HTC, etc. and ended up bumming it on XDA hoping one of their "fans" will buy they a lap dance... OR C) They are rich as **** and just love doin this **** for the hell of it because they like making ROMS, getting credit and most importantly, recognition and they ASS kissed constantly by people they don't even know... So there you have it in a nutshell with this kind of mix of developers, the ULTIMATE ROM is simply not possible... I certainly doubt I will never see it in my day or if we all go in 2012... If anyone does come up with something even slightly close to the ULTIMATE ROM I bet it will be Cyanogen or my man Dwang. Eugene was on the right track but he lost it when he turned out to be a SNiTcH AKA BIATCH of all ROM makers! But for real I love all ROM makers on XDA regardless of their motives or intentions, they spice up my life and hook my phone up and that makes them the ****. All of their work is appreciated obviously...

Wolfyy7 said:
You my friend are a pure genius, the problem is users ignorant and ROM makers naturally have low self-esteem. You see, take a guy like Haykuro he built the foundation for the first ROMs on the sapphire. Now he's fizzled out. BUT in the beginning he was the ****... Sure in every ROM maker's thread you will find credits etc. but that's all just ass kissing... You see, NO ROM MAKER DON'T MAKE ****! The only thing they get is an EGO BOOST! Who doesn't like an Ego boost? Developers at Google, HTC etc. Because they make $90,000+ a year doing what they do and they have normal lives with a wife and kids ideally... As for ROM makers on XDA they are either A) former workers at Google, HTC etc. who have grudges against their former employers OR B) they never got a real job working for a high end corporation like Google, HTC, etc. and ended up bumming it on XDA hoping one of their "fans" will buy they a lap dance... OR C) They are rich as **** and just love doin this **** for the hell of it because they like making ROMS, getting credit and most importantly, recognition and they ASS kissed constantly by people they don't even know... So there you have it in a nutshell with this kind of mix of developers, the ULTIMATE ROM is simply not possible... I certainly doubt I will never see it in my day or if we all go in 2012... If anyone does come up with something even slightly close to the ULTIMATE ROM I bet it will be Cyanogen or my man Dwang. Eugene was on the right track but he lost it when he turned out to be a SNiTcH AKA BIATCH of all ROM makers! But for real I love all ROM makers on XDA regardless of their motives or intentions, they spice up my life and hook my phone up and that makes them the ****. All of their work is appreciated obviously...
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LOL... thank God for the internet. Id read some of the debates youve had in other threads and they got me laughing. Im on the fence, because Im not one to take sides, but not only are you funny... but I actually agree with you on this. I mean, just one thread above me I have some guy telling me that I dont know what Im talking about. For one, Im not claiming to know all there is to know about these phones... or Id be working for Google making the big bucks... and two, he only reiterated things Id already disclaimed.
I didnt start this thread to get flamed, but opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.
I realize that most of my ideas wont see the light of day, because without the cash or proper credit, people wont work together unless they "get theirs"
A lot of these devs work their @$$es off and receive "tips" or donations purely because they love what they do and I respect that sincerely.
However, the idea that working "together" to create the ULTIMATE rom is possible. Devs asking for tips, help, or using work that one already accomplished isnt what im referring to. It would take moderators, coordinators, infrastructure, hierarchy, etc... To those that see the light of what im talking about, thank you... to the rest, thanks anyway

rossmoore81 said:
Well michael this thread did prove one very important thing. That even if your a senior member on this website you dont know jack. First cyan knows the nines and round here noone can really improve his stuff but him. Hence the reason he wont do his own hero rom. They lag no matter what. Sure you can take out all the widgets cut some fat off rosie. Well hell at that point just theme a donut rom. Running the heros and blurs r fun on g1 and mytouch. But if u ever actually pick up a hero phone or blur phone and test them.... u would see a huuuuuuuuuuuuge dif in performance. So basicly the guys know their crap. All of them. and they do work together. Read a drizzy post. Or other dev post. They always thank whoever for help. And if you want your ultimate rom follow cyan he will make it eventually.
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Read my words carefully... I am aware of what has gone on here on this site. I acknowledged that a lot of developers work well together. Unlike you, im not giving specific credit to any one or two individuals. We all know who has hit the brick and mortar with the foundations that have been set. A lot of those individuals communicate regularly.
I was nearly drawing into the fact that with technology, they could all (those who are willing, of course) conference regularly, establish agendas, specific tasks, and create a template. One that has been re-worked inside and out by each of their hands till there isnt any input that one individually could produce. From there, the focus objective could be the bigger picture like compatible themes, updates, easier installs, more features, etc.
I know im repeating myself to a degree, but I want to make sure the image is clear. There are a lot of devs doing the same thing, for some of the same reasons. But us users all come here for the SAME reason. To take our toy/ pride and joy/ project/ whatever you wanna call it... to the next level. To make it better than it was out of the box, to see the realms that it is truely capable of.
So rather than seeing some devs running into similar problems with their roms individually or simultaneously... One of two things would happen, either A: Solve it immediately once and for all or B: Catch the bug before it was even released. Hopefully my words inspire some of you. If not, keep up the great work.

Lol - cracking read

N1 themes

Why are there a lack of N1 themes. I thought there would be more. Can someone let me know where a good place to grab some themes. either metamorph or flashing. looks like the G1 still has the best themes can these be easily ported to N1? can other phone MM themes be used on the N1. help need more options.

Why don't you work on creating some? Better yet, you could mock the people that do work hard making them with threads like these.
The lower resolution themes can be ported, just would take resizing every image. Themes for the Droid can be easily ported over since the images are the same size.

david1171 said:
Why don't you work on creating some? Better yet, you could mock the people that do work hard making them with threads like these.
The lower resolution themes can be ported, just would take resizing every image. Themes for the Droid can be easily ported over since the images are the same size.
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This. Period.
Don't say "I don't know how" because at one time, David1171, Jairomeo, Formel or myself didn't know how either. But we figured it out. (there are many more themers, those were just a few that came to mind quickly) There are many many posts throughout xda that give a ton of good information. Get that search button working and get busy.
To put it simply, **** or get off the pot.

Wow... you two should probably calm down. The guy wasn't being rude, obviously he was more or less surprised by the fact that there really aren't a ton of themes available for the N1, which is true. This is the problem with XDA, people are always ready to attack other members. How about you guys just worry about yourselves instead of others, and don't assume that just reading tips and how to's will automatically mean people will be able to do something. We need to encourage each other not be smart asses.
@ ced8525 The reason for the lack of themes in my opinion is the user base of the N1 is significantly smaller while the G1/MT3G/Droid. For that reason alone, there is going to be less themes and it also depends on which phones our wonderful themers have.

wicked_beav said:
Wow... you two should probably calm down. The guy wasn't being rude, obviously he was more or less surprised by the fact that there really aren't a ton of themes available for the N1, which is true. This is the problem with XDA, people are always ready to attack other members. How about you guys just worry about yourselves instead of others, and don't assume that just reading tips and how to's will automatically mean people will be able to do something. We need to encourage each other not be smart asses.
@ ced8525 The reason for the lack of themes in my opinion is the user base of the N1 is significantly smaller while the G1/MT3G/Droid. For that reason alone, there is going to be less themes and it also depends on which phones our wonderful themers have.
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Good post!

Well, it is so:
Making a theme is not done in 5 Minutes. If you go to work, has an own home, two children and a wife you don't have too much time.
As hard as it sounds:
The day already has only 24 hours.
I did my "themes" at first for me. I want to have my phone so, as I like it.
Then I decide to share it. I like it, when I look into this Forum and somebody pat me on the back.
This is great and the factor, why I share that.
I have spent many hours in the www and got to know nice people.
The Nexus is new. In most countries you cant buy a nexus.
I think, if the nexus is buyable an all countries, there will be more people how can change some icons and graphics.
;-)
At second:
Load you a few themes, change the graphics and try a bit. We love to see more people, who can do this.
Sorry, this post wasn't easy to me, because my native language is not english.

No need to calm down. I'm not the one whining there are no themes for the Nexus. Which is wrong. I look at the first 5 pages of this forum and I count about 15 themes/morphs. And thats only the first 5 pages. This phone has been out for 2 months and there are already 15 themes on the first 5 pages of the forum. If that's not good enough for someone, they can make their own. It's attitudes like that that make people NOT want to do anything.

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No need to calm down. I'm not the one whining there are no themes for the Nexus. Which is wrong. I look at the first 5 pages of this forum and I count about 15 themes/morphs. And thats only the first 5 pages. This phone has been out for 2 months and there are already 15 themes on the first 5 pages of the forum. If that's not good enough for someone, they can make their own. It's attitudes like that that make people NOT want to do anything.
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I think your right the rate at which the themes are coming out is great and while there may not be enough for that person now there sure should be in a few months lol, I mean ow many themes can you use at 1 given time
I being new to Android (Long time Sony Ericsson user) have been searching around on how to create themes and iv found a few places but its not all straight forward information.
I dont mean to be to direct but could you (or another great theme creator) make a quick How To thread on themes, from making the 9png files and editing them etc
While i was using my old SE phone i learned alot, i started porting firmware patches and became a regular source in the forums for porting but now i want to get my hands stuck into doing themes but dont really now where to start

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I think your right the rate at which the themes are coming out is great and while there may not be enough for that person now there sure should be in a few months lol, I mean ow many themes can you use at 1 given time
I being new to Android (Long time Sony Ericsson user) have been searching around on how to create themes and iv found a few places but its not all straight forward information.
I dont mean to be to direct but could you (or another great theme creator) make a quick How To thread on themes, from making the 9png files and editing them etc
While i was using my old SE phone i learned alot, i started porting firmware patches and became a regular source in the forums for porting but now i want to get my hands stuck into doing themes but dont really now where to start
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Those threads have already been made and remade. Look around in the Android Themes forum and the G1 Theme forum.
If you want to make a morph, I have already written up a pretty nice tutorial for that, located here
There is also a copy of the .9.png tutorial located over on www.nexus-nation.com (figured since I left Manup out of the themer list earlier I would give a shout to his website since he is one of the biggest and best themers)

Android Rom coming out for windowsmobile standard

making a android rom if u want join in u can just message me or replied to this. the rom would work on 3 devices one is samsungjack,blackjack1,2 and the htc snap, an one more sorry its going to be only 4 got carry away.This rom would have htc icons and new different homescreen with a android digital clock like real androids but going to be small and it may be having a new bootscreen thats going to be customize to work on these devices and not harming them the next features it would have is maybe a better quality to the phone ,give the rom htc 3d weather that i been working for quit somtime like almost 3 weeks been working on it and for last it would have is new battery just like my other project i finish yesterday 3/30/10 and new signal icons and much more.THAt why my team needs your help to make this happen for all you windowsmobile standard fans.
If you want to get your htc android on your phone now just follow this link in plz replied of what you think of the improvements that i put into it.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=654166

sorry if got your hopes up but the rom wont be starting untillthe beginning of may due to bugs in my other app and working on windowsmobil7series stuff like a app lockscreenand much more.thats why its not going to be develop this month but u cancan help when we start developing it for the devices that i had said.im am real sorry but not that bad working on windowsmobile7seris and working on the htc app/theme u can still enjoy them.

Hi...
Would like to follow you, i have an samsung i600 blackjack and wanted to try android OS on my fone. Let me know if its out and just a curios, will it fully support the hardware on jack? because i know android can not sync to outlook and the only way to syc it is with google.
Thanks, keep up the good work.

othmansuseno said:
Would like to follow you, i have an samsung i600 blackjack and wanted to try android OS on my fone. Let me know if its out and just a curios, will it fully support the hardware on jack? because i know android can not sync to outlook and the only way to syc it is with google.
Thanks, keep up the good work.
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ya it would support the jack if you want to join the team just message me or just replied to this thread and would have videos on my youtube to see where my team progress is at .but note that we didnt start yet we just making ideas and designs for it so it would look right on are phones may take time.
you can enjoy my other apps by looking at my other threads.

julian2596 said:
ya it would support the jack if you want to join the team just message me or just replied to this thread and would have videos on my youtube to see where my team progress is at .but note that we didnt start yet we just making ideas and designs for it so it would look right on are phones may take time.
you can enjoy my other apps by looking at my other threads.
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there will most likely never be "Andriod for the Jack, i617, or i607 or i600". And if it does happen to get developed it wont be by you. Your threads are pointless and you have never provided any info that isnt 100 other places. Stop taking credit for others work. "Your apps"? You have NO apps. Can I get a hooah?

Nottach said:
there will most likely never be "Andriod for the Jack, i617, or i607 or i600". And if it does happen to get developed it wont be by you. Your threads are pointless and you have never provided any info that isnt 100 other places. Stop taking credit for others work. "Your apps"? You have NO apps. Can I get a hooah?
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ok and who are u for saying all this and yes i can be done and u acting like its going to look just like it its going to be similar to the android

julian2596 said:
ok and who are u for saying all this and yes i can be done and u acting like its going to look just like it its going to be similar to the android
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i didnt do nothing to u and u acting like we making it we still dont know if we are still making it because we got to see would this work and right now we are just thinking and designing how we are going to do this anyway and if we do make it just going to have new htc icons a new scroll bar,change the front homescreen buttons to look like htc buttons and maybe change the interface and startmenu to look alittle more good looking and that all we would do.now calm down with all of this.you are like the only annoying person i ever seen if u dont like then leave me alone then im just trying to make my device and other devices look better then it planself and for others who is reading this sorry to anyone

and ya i do make apps just finish it two days ago nottach

What "app" have you created that isn't just other people's work bundled into a single package?
So you want Andriod on your Jack to make it look pretty? So you want an Andriod theme. Not the OS. There's a section here on xda specifically for themes. you should be posting there. http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=525
Are you using Google translate for posting? I probably wouldn't have posted that if you weren't constantly butchering my native language. Your posts are a bunch of incoherent random thoughts. Learn some grammar and punctuation. Even the native Chinese or Spanish speaker's posts are more proper than yours, and you live in the U.S., according to your flag.
You joined Jan 2010 and you've got over 250 posts! And in 250 posts you said something informative maybe twice.
Take your eyes off your phone, stop thinking how you can make it prettier, make the world prettier.

stll looking for more people who wants to join this team to make this rom happen.Already have 4 people so far need 2 more people who are good at designing and a person who knows alot about windowsmobile phones like me but u have to know lot about standard devices thene we would be able to get started on the rom

Let's make a rom! :) (question)

Starting a new thread here.
YES I A NEWBIE!!!
(when it comes to Android at least).
That said. Nobody has to point it out. I know where I stand and I don't know much about Android. I know quite much about Unix/Linux so that's
a start. I know some electronics. I own a Note 3 that I think is mostly the same and want to try to take it parts from there.
It's not about stealing, "kanging", code. Please see it as a journey of fun. Of learning. Making something!
Newbie or not. I think we could be a fun bunch. Since we all want to learn!
I see more want the same. So why don't we pool? Why not make a "Hello I9506!"-Rom?
It's something I want to learn. Today I don't know something. Tomorrow I will. But just the satisfaction of doing something is worth it.
So if someone is interested. Message me. Hell. All the devs where newbies once.
Some are very helpful and some are jerks. We have the whole spectrum here and met both sides. But I don't care if a "elite-dev" snorts at me.
I want to produce something. From there on? Who knows?
A quick question:
Do we have some bloatware-list we can use or it the same? Still would need it thank you
I got some strange behavior of it yesterday (yes, I rooted it and tripped Knox, knowingly). It says it doesn't have space.
Folderspace says otherwise but saw that the /system was 89% and that feels just like it needs a real good cleanup.
I need to do the same with my Note 3. There I think there are scripts, but not for this. Is it the same TouchWiz as on the '05?
I contacted the "head developer" (I think, the one that made the first post) from FoxHound Rom since they
1) Makes a really nice rom
2) Have a release it on Note 3
So I asked for some help, hints. I'm sure he answers when he sees it.
What I like is the AOSP-feel of it. I'm like all the time running, between them. Flash, flash, flash. Ok dual boot now, but not the same!
Was same on my HTC until Venom released Viper for One X. The rom of roms! Venom Team. They are damn skilled.
So you find your "fav-rom". Me I like Foxhound just because it connects the two worlds. It's aiming for the best of the both worlds. Innovative.
Granted TouchWiz as a base is stable. They have a whole stab of people working on it.
It's fun to play around with both Probam or Pac-man (as it's built on) but it has drawbacks.
I can't use my Flipcase, and on the Note the pen and then we have some bugs on it. As all the rest.
Nothing that I can't complain about, since then I should take my butt and fix them or report them at least.
Please. Report. Never complain of bugs, because they happen. It's their hobby project ffs!
I really hate people that start to "demand" or are very unfriendly in their bug reporting.
It goes the other way around as well. Sauerkraut-devs with snotty answers.
Having worked with several closed and open source projects bug-reports are good, ideas for change. You can voice.
Sometimes strongly, about a new direction you don't like but you can NEVER demand, complain. Want something that badly? Ok. Pay me.
Over the years I've been on the net (like since 1991) I've seen this circle over and over.
The circle of Open source development
1) Enormous enthusiasm. The start! The first little halting buggy rom. So proud. Full of energy.
2) Taking in own and others ideas and develop, develop, develop - this is the happy times
3) The bugs start to be complicated as the code complicates so they are not that "fun" as to implement new stuff - and here starts the spiral
4) Here it's a combo that can go two ways or together
a) Constant nagging, demanding users without positive feed back makes them think that the users are just ungrateful. Because they are.
The coding is done on spare time. You can't "demand" someone from an Open source project. You can ask, propose.
In some you can expect it holds high standards and you can sometimes question if the decision in some part is wise and made a good and sound argument.
Give an alternative. But never demand and the final decision is up to the project.
b) The coders starts to seem themselves as the best on the earth and starts to see the users as something unavoidable.
This is a big error because then they should stop releasing version and just have their own. So they stop listen to ideas, and feel that the users
are ungrateful ****heads that should just follow the path and be happy that they get some app at all.
That is the negative spiral.
The frustration and the worst scenario, a rouge programmer, that go it's own way in the project. That makes a schism. Quarrels
Either the code is then forked (parted) or the whole structure starts to fall apart in who is the leader, owner, and never-ending discussions
because everybody knows BEST. Here the users are totally ignored since the internal conflicts takes over the whole project.
5) The coders gets tired of all this. Have bugs they don't care to fix and if someone files a report or do a suggestion they get a "Do it yourself" back.
6) Abandoned code or a restructure, a new way of working and uniting, some people leave, some new joins.
Healing and a fresh start or the project dies, often with the last version full of bugs that people still use because it's still what they want.
If there is luck, an new bunch of coders take that code and start from 1
I've seen this so many times and it's always the same.
In commercial projects you try to identify when the coder comes to this frustration point, because then it's time to move him/her to something else.
Because a disgruntled and unhappy person is never good, in anything. So it goes both ways.
So how to avoid it?
Basics. Planning. Setting goals. Having a real bugtracking system. Making clear that suggestions are suggestions and have a civil tone from both ways.
And then talk, yell, have big arguments inside the group, but make a real case for it. Like having your own space, where you give proposals.
But in the end. ALWAYS RESPECT.
A round table is not a bad thing, but there has to be respect and it has to be someone that has the final word that you have enough respect
for and trust that he/she decide what he/she think is the best and accept it. Else it's a chicken-yard. Never ending back and forth.
If you can't live with it because YOUR proposal was not granted either leave in a good way or make a fork. Or be a good player and not a crybaby.
A proposal should be in the form of What, Why, Time, Benefit (and if you are mature enough - potential problems and implications).
And then have a discussion about it. Advocate your case. Have a chat in the group.
There is nothing to say that a program can't have two different versions. Sometimes an experimental branch just to test things.
Time can tell which is the best. Be humble and respectful. Have heated discussions, as I have in a current project, challenge something.
That way, you see if it holds. It's the basis of research as way.
Postulate something. Try to prove it. Find someone to disprove it. Have an argument. See if it holds else start over. Boring? Yepp.
Does it give results? Oh yes. This is how mature people work.
Especially when it comes to medicine (that is my field now). Proving something is not easy. And think of those who sit for 20 years with a problem,
try 200 ways that fails, but don't give up. Persistence towards a goal. I met a professor. She has been working with HIV for something like 20 years.
She told me how many times they thought they where close. How it looked so nice. How it looked "THIS IS THE KEY" to see that it held for that part of the virus,
but not for the other 18 mutations and that it doesn't do any real benefits compared to the disadvantages. Finding a "hook" as they thought a few years back.
That was the most promising. Because a specific "hook" in something means that you can do something that grabs it. But it failed.
Or the people working on Malaria that kills so many. It's a complicated parasite and we have been so close, so close, but not yet.
The really big big thing. Documentation. I know, this is sooo damn boring, but to write out what you are doing in this block of code
(if obvious, just one line), If more complicated, explain.
Don't over complicate.
Don't insert numbers that you forget lie *1024 or +2, use a label for that. Document!
Try to write as general code as possible. KISS! (Keep it simple, stupid).
There is this case that we always get. It's about a coder in a project. He has this subroutine. He has been writing it to "perfection". Rewriting it.
Over and over. The machine went for years. Then it called that function and it crashed. Oh the irony,
In Sweden we call code that is in total disarray for spaghetti-code, because YOU know it, can navigate, but for someone new, it's hard or impossible.
Modularize as much as possible! Can't stress this enough.
That way, even if it take a bit extra time you have "boxes" that are taking in stuff and spitting out stuff.
Example.
We need a database to store things. We chose X. We work with X and then the X is not ideal, we need to make compromises in the code.
Mend it to work with X. But we come to a point where we want and need Y. But since the code is so intertwinned with X it's a hell to change it to Y.
Making an "interface", where you define clearly, the function of the database simplified (creations etc), boils down to this:
Search for something, read that something, write (change/add/delete) that something. That is it.
So yes, you write a few more lines, but today, we don't need to count how many clock-cycles the penalty it get (as I did way back).
We have damn fast things. When Java came it was like syrup. So zzzlooooowww. People just scratched their heads.
The only thing was that it worked over platforms. Today we have computers that can run it just fine. Fluid. Our phones for instance.
Same with C++. And yes, you can still make it zzzzloooow. So it's good to have some books (I have ebooks) on functions.
Don't reinvent stuff.
A sort function is mathematical. It will not change. When I started my masters we had this "little" book called "Introductions to algorithms".
It's like 3000 pages! Written in "pseudo code" 20 years ago but still holds. I can teach why we should not use this and why we should use that.
But I have not coded since 1997 or so and so much has changed!
But an Android is a Linux in the bottom. I've worked as a Unix specialist for many years before I changed path. So I know my way around there.
I DO need to update myself. I'm honest. I can spend time in clusters. Sometimes I have personal matters that hinders me. Like most people.
But first and foremost. It has to be FUN. This is our spare time. We do this for free. It SHOULD be fun.
Writing not fun is something you get paid for. Get a specification. Do this and that.
We still need that and it can be an obstacle but it still should be a goal to want to do this.
Persistence. Ask for help. Get a no? Ask another. We all have to start from square one. That is the beauty of this in a way.
So I'm asking if someone wants to make a group and do a ROM? I want to try. We seem to be an enthusiastic bunch here right now. Let's pool!
Let's make our "Hello Worlld! I9506 rom!
So if anybody else, newbie or not, feel it would be fun, message me. Cause I will try anyway and I would love some company.
I've had "some" project leading experience, and I still sit as a bit "advisor/pain in the but".
I don't code but most probably need to start again. But I do voice advice/concern from time to time. I try to propose some solution based on experience.
Call it "meta-coding", but it can be just as important to know how to move code fast then to be able to write the lines.
"Paradigms" don't change. If you look at a language, Java, C etc. You can boil it don't to rules. And the rules are basically the same.
The syntax, how you write it, is different. Some special solutions that is unique for just one language is there.
It's a pain to work with strings of text in C but easy peasy in Perl for instance.
And if we find someone that can give us hints help. That would be kind of them. We can ask. The worst response we can get is a "no", right?
As you see I'm known to write long. "Walls of text" is something I first got a bit mad at, now I find it funny. Sure, I "chat" in a written form.
But I'm full of ideas and enthusiasm here.
I have no plans to enforce me as some "boss". We are a team. Later on, someone will lead. We are a bunch of enthusiasts.
Right now. Baby steps. At least this is how I look at things. You might look at it otherwise.
Nothing stops us from exchanging ideas, even if we don't work on the same thing? I think that is the spirit. Helping each other.
This is not an competition. I don't care if 5 people uses the rom or not. It's not about that. The next one will be cooler. But competition?
Isn't that a bit childish? People have different tastes. I like the AOSP. If my flipcase etc worked I would move from TouchWiz since I even don't use it.
My subproject that takes precedence
KNOX. I will not give up on Knox. That is my main goal right now.
It affects me personally. If we don't stop it. Stop wasting time how to circumvent the bootloader. That is irrelevant.
If not stopped NOW. We will have an S5 with a chipped version of it. Then it's too late.
I see, in some despair, people whining in the threads, but no action. Why don't 20 people start to reg at user-forums and start to spread this?
I have MY theory. You can have that. I think it's for spying. Because I can't any other reason. My employee would give me a phone.
It has no place in our phones. But whining in a thread in a special forum like XDA, where there are people who are wizards when it comes to
developing and people that want to custom their hardware doesn't do it.
We need to spread it to the forums where the "normal" users sit. That probably never noticed it's even there. The ones that ask how to change
the different levels of volume, for calls and system. The user-base. Make them understand in simple terms. Telling them that this place, where the
best people frequent, doesn't really know what it does, because Knox is more then a bootloader that you want to circumvent not to trip that "flag".
That is the only place where we can reach the masses. Make people think. NSA. Snowden. Reading my mails? Recoring my calls?
I don't know. Do you? But it's possible. Who am I to know if my provider feeds my government with data. We already feed them with positiondata.
Make people aware. Make this crowd DO SOMETHING...
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When you turn on Skype it tries to make a tunnel through in a very sneaky way to "somewhere". I see it each time I turn it on since I tap my ethernet.
My webcam is on a switch. When I Skype I turn it on. Else it's off. And aimed at the wall, if I would happen to forget to turn it off.
So they can make happy pictures. So did Hitler. I just don't buy their bull**** of security for individuals that they added a few days ago.
if I don't want to use a firewall and a viruskiller on my PC. That is my choice. If I look at the downloaded movie Intel won't blow up my CPU.
But here, if this e-fuse is true. That is a deliberate active action. Then they are destroying my property. That is not acceptable.
But to make the "whiners" do something. Damn. That takes energy.
Ok, I stop here. If someone IS interested in experimenting together, message me. I think it can be a fun journey
All the best,
Absolon (yes I got my real nick back!)

:good: Nice explanaition of your opinion and you plan!!!
Never Seen such one!!
.........Few things about me...
1. I AM A NEWBIE TOO IN ANDROID AND LINUX!!
2. I want learn more about LINUX and ANDROID
3. Everything that i know about LINUX and ANDROID i learned here from Instructions of some people( cant remember all nicks - but BIG THANKS to THEM!!! ) that are posted on XDA Forums or Googled it!! And that is not much since i can not even compile a CWM from CM source - after 2 weeks of investigation and always getting error - - i understand its not easy to do that with my less experiance!!!
4. I have a wife and 2 kids around me - so thats top priority 1 for me!
5. I do things in Android when i got time for that - thats mostly on weekends in the evening or night when wife and kids are in bed!!
6. My english is not the best!!
7. Yes of course i am interested in experimenting and learning with other interested people!!!!
8. If you can live with that 7 points before this point - you can call me a member of the ROM "Hello I9506!"
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Cheers ​
absolon said:
Starting a new thread here.
YES I A NEWBIE!!!
(when it comes to Android at least).
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Ok, I stop here. If someone IS interested in experimenting together, message me. I think it can be a fun journey
All the best,
Absolon (yes I got my real nick back!)
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xenix96 said:
:good: Nice explanaition of your opinion and you plan!!!
Never Seen such one!!
.........Few things about me...
1. I AM A NEWBIE TOO IN ANDROID AND LINUX!!
2. I want learn more about LINUX and ANDROID
3. Everything that i know about LINUX and ANDROID i learned here from Instructions of some people( cant remember all nicks - but BIG THANKS to THEM!!! ) that are posted on XDA Forums or Googled it!! And that is not much since i can not even compile a CWM from CM source - after 2 weeks of investigation and always getting error - - i understand its not easy to do that with my less experiance!!!
4. I have a wife and 2 kids around me - so thats top priority 1 for me!
5. I do things in Android when i got time for that - thats mostly on weekends in the evening or night when wife and kids are in bed!!
6. My english is not the best!!
7. Yes of course i am interested in experimenting and learning with other interested people!!!!
Cheers ​
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DEAL!
ALL programming books starts with how to write a "Hello World!" program. That's why I thought of the name
So "Hello I9506"?
/Absie

Looks interesting, i have only build a buggy CM rom for S3 but never released it, can i join ya .
Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

absolon said:
DEAL!
ALL programming books starts with how to write a "Hello World!" program. That's why I thought of the name
So "Hello I9506"?
/Absie
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Yes "Hello I9506" sounds nice and the Rom Name got also a background by this way why we call it so.
cheers
Sent from my GT-I9506 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

Hey man, i agree with your point. I'd like to help even if I own a I9505. That shouldn't be a problem though! Count me in as a developer! :good:

My I9506 is ready for testing!

A lot of being a good developer is mindset and enthusiasm. I'm sure you'll do great!
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app

I hope the ROM also includes support for the E330S variant....
GO young Dev's !!

@Absie
Hi, my mate.
If u need help/some knowledge in decompiling/compiling of apks and framework jar files and building yr own ROM, PM me.
I have done my ROM projects in the S2 forums and some mods in I9505.
But I'm not a C++/java programmer freak.
I didn't have time to study in this field .
Just a tiny bit of xmls, themings and smali codes here and there that I can help u.
I'm sure u can make a good ROM in this forum.
U need more "real" devs to help u in making yr own ROM.
Cheers.

You are not alone on this. if you can do a clean system dump of 4.3 for me when it released I will take on some projects for you folks

Absolon said:
She told me how many times they thought they where close. How it looked so nice. How it looked "THIS IS THE KEY" to see that it held for that part of the virus,
but not for the other 18 mutations and that it doesn't do any real benefits compared to the disadvantages. Finding a "hook" as they thought a few years back.
That was the most promising. Because a specific "hook" in something means that you can do something that grabs it. But it failed.
Or the people working on Malaria that kills so many. It's a complicated parasite and we have been so close, so close, but not yet.
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Yup, that about sums up the majority of time I spend troubleshooting, with the answer often being something very simple that I overlooked in the beginning.
As for de-bloating, once you get familiar with what's what it can usually be done pretty quickly.
The first thing to always do is make nandroid of everything and save it your desktop just in case. Having a zip with the stock ROM handy can also save you a lot of time if you need to replace just one app.
There are four main places you have to remember when doing this:
/system/app - primary location for system apps
/data/data - where the app's data is stored
/data/app - where upgraded copies of the apps are saved
and the dalvik-cache (usually /data/dalvik-cache or /cache/dalvik-cache)
If you're using an odexed ROM you'll want to get both the .apk and .odex files at the same time. Many apps will also have two or three widget providers, etc., be sure to get all that stuff. Just keep a list of everything you've removed.
Facebook is usually the first thing I nix as it often uses ~50MB, is redundant when it's going to install itself from the market anyway, and always has way to much access to your personal information as a system app. Twitter, flickr and any other apps like that, which you don't need or want as a system app, can all go too. Some devices also ship with keyboards for every language ever created, you can get rid of any that don't apply to you.
Once you've cleaned out the easy ones take your list and open up Settings -> Apps. The apks may be gone from /system, but all their data and updates are still taking up space. So to finish removing them look under the "All" tab and when you see one hit wipe cache, wipe data & uninstall.
Now just return to the recovery so you can wipe your dalvik-cache and create another nandroid. If you want to clean even more this will give you a good checkpoint to revert back to if needed.

xHausx said:
Yup, that about sums up the majority of time I spend troubleshooting, with the answer often being something very simple that I overlooked in the beginning.
As for de-bloating, once you get familiar with what's what it can usually be done pretty quickly.
The first thing to always do is make nandroid of everything and save it your desktop just in case. Having a zip with the stock ROM handy can also save you a lot of time if you need to replace just one app.
There are four main places you have to remember when doing this:
/system/app - primary location for system apps
/data/data - where the app's data is stored
/data/app - where upgraded copies of the apps are saved
and the dalvik-cache (usually /data/dalvik-cache or /cache/dalvik-cache)
If you're using an odexed ROM you'll want to get both the .apk and .odex files at the same time. Many apps will also have two or three widget providers, etc., be sure to get all that stuff. Just keep a list of everything you've removed.
Facebook is usually the first thing I nix as it often uses ~50MB, is redundant when it's going to install itself from the market anyway, and always has way to much access to your personal information as a system app. Twitter, flickr and any other apps like that, which you don't need or want as a system app, can all go too. Some devices also ship with keyboards for every language ever created, you can get rid of any that don't apply to you.
Once you've cleaned out the easy ones take your list and open up Settings -> Apps. The apks may be gone from /system, but all their data and updates are still taking up space. So to finish removing them look under the "All" tab and when you see one hit wipe cache, wipe data & uninstall.
Now just return to the recovery so you can wipe your dalvik-cache and create another nandroid. If you want to clean even more this will give you a good checkpoint to revert back to if needed.
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Thank you!
Right now, all we have is the original rom, that is "normal" so I gess it's "dexed". I have no clue how to make it odexed, since what I understood it makes
the whole rom smaller?
The thing that worries me is the bootloader, since we only have the one with Knox in it and I don't know how other bootloaders work or are compatible.
But that means that we are locked into SELinux, right? So until having a "Knox-free" bootloader we can't do **** when it comes to customizing roms?
Because we can't add our own kernel or is there some code that Samsung have, because I found out that Samsung had a code-repo (wow), but
not for this phone yet.
I tripped the Knox-flag when I rooted it. Found no other way really. And I don't know if this is Knox-related or something else. I noticed this on the i9505
as well. I have space but when I try to install things it says that it's out of space and can't install it. The "funny" thing is if I push the install from the webpage
of Play it installs just fine so it's seems to be something preventing it?
I don't recall if I had it before or after Knox since I tripped Knox unknowingly on my other phone before we even found out what it was.
So I need to clean it out. Yes, /system is 76% full with the original. Since all I have done so far is just rooted the phone.
If someone has an I9505, can you do
1) df -k
The partitions (not counting the sd.) on I9506 are:
The root partition (/)
/efs
/firmware-modem
/data
/persist
/system
I'm too tired to write out a good coomand, but best is to use "find" and with some -printf options and then start to hunt.
Then we can compare the phones. The special parameters for SELinux are the next step. But this is a start to see how
The SELinux special parameters part is also something that I want to see, but I want to start with this.
Btw. On my Note 3 I got an "update" of the SELinux rules. Anyone else? (Will ask in the Knox-tread as well).
That is not rooted but totally plain vanilla and I didn't even noticed that there was an update function but got "update 16".
See my post: From Knox-thread
I read and read this night, and to just condense it since I write too long anway and I'm tired. Since the bootloader
is loading an SELinux, that won't boot if it's not compared with an unique X.509 cert in every phone and see if the
loader checksums we really get an virtual environment. That is the "wrong" feel I've had I think. And I think that we need
to sit down and test some things to verify this theory. Get some programs that can do some deep probing of the hardware.
If I'm right, and they have made a VM out of the phone we should probably notice it somehow, because it's easy. I looked,
SEAndroid that NSA created is a VM with Xen.
That means that the SELinux can just run in the background with it's processes that it will never show to you and you think
you have a rooted and Knox-free phone when you never have it since the bootloader loags a SELinux and makes a sandbox.
If's perfect. Unique id on each phone. Your signature on the papers with the serial numbers which identify you as the owner.
So perfect that I could cry if I was an engineer at Samsung...
/Abs

Please make a custom ROM that works for the SHV-E330S as well
THank you very much!

sheesha_straw said:
Please make a custom ROM that works for the SHV-E330S as well
THank you very much!
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We need to start with baby steps so a skeleton for the I9506 is the first prio.
SHV-E330S I head that before. What IS that? Can you give me details? Is that some version of the I9506?
If it is then you are most welcome to help out!
/Abs

Absolon said:
We need to start with baby steps so a skeleton for the I9506 is the first prio.
SHV-E330S I head that before. What IS that? Can you give me details? Is that some version of the I9506?
If it is then you are most welcome to help out!
/Abs
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I think it's the Korean SK Telecom version of the i9506
It has the same LTE-A support & Snapdragon 800 processor and everything
GSMarena description of the phone
Also known as Samsung Galaxy S4 with LTE+
Available as Samsung SHV-E330S Galaxy S4 LTE-A for SK Telecom.

Inventory
First,
I need to know if it's ok that I take the Project leader role here a bit? I have sat down and identified the things we need to even start and I have some pretty good idea.
But I can only be a Project leader if you let me. If I'm allowed to spread out the work. Else we can close this. I can't do this alone. It's too much work.
But I think that the work WE can do is the base that will benefit all rom-makes. Because this is the starting point that anyone that want to make a
rom has to start from.
The difference is that I want this to be here. In the open, and not at some closed webpage. I want all to benefit from what we do.
Either we do this openly or not at all.
And so you know. There will be a bit of work. I have my Unix knowledge and I run several Linux/BSD machines at home. I did a small calculation.
I have now been playing/then having it for getting bread on the table with Unix for 23 years.
I don't know everything. Far from. Even though I been working with it that long, the part I did as a consultant was within a certain part and I never learnt
other. Simply because I was hired for knowing just that part really well.
The problem with Unix (and why I use Unix is that everything is basically Unix, even though it called differently. It would be called Unix today if it didn't
happen to be a patent fight over the NAME. The one that held the patent of the name Unix wanted money for people to use it (it might have been SCO,
they tried to get money for anything they could. Really despise that company).
So instead of paying the companies invented their own names, Sun went for SunOS and then Solaris, Hp (HP-UX), IBM (AIX) etc.
So it's hard to say that Linux is not a Unix because it's not a Unix Unix (that doesn't exist anymore) but when I say Unix I mean the whole spectrum
of very very closely related OS to it, ok? So I will sometimes say Linux and can say Unix, but I mean basically the same.
The thing with Unix is that the learning curve is steep. You install it and have a black screen with a ">". It's a bit more easy now with Ubuntu (that I hate),
but it's better for you, that never worked with it to have something to "point and click". When it comes to the real work you will have to open up a
terminal anyway and TYPE command. See it a bit as a DOS-windows in your Windows.
There is two distinct flavors though. The one is BSD and the other is the Linux, bla bla. Those two are a fork that happened long ago and you tend
to feel like a newbie again, once you sit in from of a FreeBSD after being a homie on Linux because everything is different.
There is a standard basically on how to start up things. There is now a new thing that comes more and more that should be less conservative then
what has been the case the last 20 years but that is another thing. The Linux that Android is based on has a normal "init.d"-structure and that is
where the different scripts are that start up, in an order you decide, different parts of the system, or do what ever really. They are just scripts and
could write "Hello I9506!" on the screen if you would like that.
Did you all see the post I made about the i9506?
PLEASE ALL. I need to verify this so it's not some duckup from my part but I will do a odin today to be sure
Take a look at what I wrote: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48320189&postcount=1402
Anyone here that tripped Knox? Anyone got any strange things?
We need to know this before making any attempt at all.
I don't cry wolf here. This is true. No bulltitting. I KNOW I had this.
If you look my sig, you might think I know has build a Faraday's cage around me and have a folio-hat while looking through a magnifying glass at my
monitor at a Youtube-video showing taped in a tv that was recorded by a CC-camera from a TV in the 80-ies about the (pick one):
Moon landings
Kennedy
Roswell
9/11
Ilumatnii/NWO
And I wish I where. But the phone is erratic and I really think it's tampered. Did someone get a notice with rule-updates? I didn't get it to this one
but I got it to Note 3.
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So in case that you let me lead the project here in the start and be able to have work that I can "assign", or I rather want to list work and have volunteers for it.
Then I can say "Ok, test that then" etc. And we have a dialog that is open and never that someone feels forced over it, ok?
We need a BASE. Something to start from and we need to see what we have so this is the inventory part. What we have, where we start.
The first step
And I need someone that can do some deep probing for me of the hardware. We need to start comparing.
Can all do a *#1234# and post it?
I have:
AP: I9506XXUAMI3
CP: I9506XXUAMHD
CSC: I9506NEEAMI1
I noticed it only works on the original "Phone app".
This is what I think we need as a base to start with.
I9505
As close stock rom as possible. Now I saw that Hotfile was closed down (did a post about it) so I hope we get
Base
I9505 - Plain vanilla rom. As close we can get
I9506 - Depends here what you have. Here I would ask if someone has an unrooted and a rooted version.
Note 3 - I have an unrooted version. Anyone has a rooted? Knox tripped? I tried to root it with that Universal thing that doesn't trip know but it hangs.
This are the things we need to start with at least. Make nandroid-backups on them. When you have them I'll prepare a space for them on my g-drive
where you can upload them and then I can start to compare them.
Also, anyone with a Knox-tripped I9506. Please PM me. I got really strange behavior and I don't know if it's Knox or something else.
The ones with Note 3, did you get an "SELinux rules upgrade #16" a few days back? I didn't see that was an option to turn them off.
As I wrote in my other thread. My I9506 started to behave real strange. REALLY strange. There are a whole bunch of programs missing.
The are gone. I have 3 icons on them in launcher but they are just not there. So what gives?
Is this only me or is this something that we all get when we trip the Knox?
After I did a clean with the CleanMaster and removed the Knox apps, I can't get into settings, so I need to try a nandroid restore or in worst case
try to install a odin-version and reroot it. Or maybe play with it unrooted for a while.
This is serious things is this Knox-flag tripped something. I talked with my provider today about this.
So an inventory! What do we have for hardware to test on?
Things to investigate - Here I start list things that any of you can do. As I said. I can't do all and I have so much IRL that I shouldn't be here at all...
Hardware
We know it's closer to Note 3 then to 05. When I look at specs it seems like the same phone.
But I need a rooted Note3 to get the app that list ALL hardware, sensors etc, to compare it. An unrooted Note 3 will not get that access.
My theoryI is that a BL from Note 3 will probably work but one from 05 will not.
But that need to be verified. And I need to see that Odin can reflash if we do something that hangs the phone. This is the risk I will take.
What is on it?
Here I could start to compare. But I need backups of the phones!
If you happen to have any personal password for your wifi, I can give my word that I will overlook it.
Besides, what do I need it for? Not like I would come home to you and hack your Wifi
So here is a list of things:
There is no source released on their webpage about the i9506 yet.
We don't have any "pre-knox" BL for this one.
Can someone check the Note 3 forum if there is some pre-knox. Did a 4.2.2 even existed or was it a 4.3 from the start?
And then backups of the partitions for comparison.
That is the first steps to even start to move this.
/Paul

Absolon said:
First,
I need to know if it's ok that I take the Project leader role here a bit? I have sat down and identified the things we need to even start and I have some pretty good idea.
But I can only be a Project leader if you let me. If I'm allowed to spread out the work. Else we can close this. I can't do this alone. It's too much work.
But I think that the work WE can do is the base that will benefit all rom-makes. Because this is the starting point that anyone that want to make a
rom has to start from.
The difference is that I want this to be here. In the open, and not at some closed webpage. I want all to benefit from what we do.
Either we do this openly or not at all.
And so you know. There will be a bit of work. I have my Unix knowledge and I run several Linux/BSD machines at home. I did a small calculation.
I have now been playing/then having it for getting bread on the table with Unix for 23 years.
I don't know everything. Far from. Even though I been working with it that long, the part I did as a consultant was within a certain part and I never learnt
other. Simply because I was hired for knowing just that part really well.
The problem with Unix (and why I use Unix is that everything is basically Unix, even though it called differently. It would be called Unix today if it didn't
happen to be a patent fight over the NAME. The one that held the patent of the name Unix wanted money for people to use it (it might have been SCO,
they tried to get money for anything they could. Really despise that company).
So instead of paying the companies invented their own names, Sun went for SunOS and then Solaris, Hp (HP-UX), IBM (AIX) etc.
So it's hard to say that Linux is not a Unix because it's not a Unix Unix (that doesn't exist anymore) but when I say Unix I mean the whole spectrum
of very very closely related OS to it, ok? So I will sometimes say Linux and can say Unix, but I mean basically the same.
The thing with Unix is that the learning curve is steep. You install it and have a black screen with a ">". It's a bit more easy now with Ubuntu (that I hate),
but it's better for you, that never worked with it to have something to "point and click". When it comes to the real work you will have to open up a
terminal anyway and TYPE command. See it a bit as a DOS-windows in your Windows.
There is two distinct flavors though. The one is BSD and the other is the Linux, bla bla. Those two are a fork that happened long ago and you tend
to feel like a newbie again, once you sit in from of a FreeBSD after being a homie on Linux because everything is different.
There is a standard basically on how to start up things. There is now a new thing that comes more and more that should be less conservative then
what has been the case the last 20 years but that is another thing. The Linux that Android is based on has a normal "init.d"-structure and that is
where the different scripts are that start up, in an order you decide, different parts of the system, or do what ever really. They are just scripts and
could write "Hello I9506!" on the screen if you would like that.
Did you all see the post I made about the i9506?
PLEASE ALL. I need to verify this so it's not some duckup from my part but I will do a odin today to be sure
Take a look at what I wrote: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48320189&postcount=1402
Anyone here that tripped Knox? Anyone got any strange things?
We need to know this before making any attempt at all.
I don't cry wolf here. This is true. No bulltitting. I KNOW I had this.
If you look my sig, you might think I know has build a Faraday's cage around me and have a folio-hat while looking through a magnifying glass at my
monitor at a Youtube-video showing taped in a tv that was recorded by a CC-camera from a TV in the 80-ies about the (pick one):
Moon landings
Kennedy
Roswell
9/11
Ilumatnii/NWO
And I wish I where. But the phone is erratic and I really think it's tampered. Did someone get a notice with rule-updates? I didn't get it to this one
but I got it to Note 3.
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So in case that you let me lead the project here in the start and be able to have work that I can "assign", or I rather want to list work and have volunteers for it.
Then I can say "Ok, test that then" etc. And we have a dialog that is open and never that someone feels forced over it, ok?
We need a BASE. Something to start from and we need to see what we have so this is the inventory part. What we have, where we start.
The first step
And I need someone that can do some deep probing for me of the hardware. We need to start comparing.
Can all do a *#1234# and post it?
I have:
AP: I9506XXUAMI3
CP: I9506XXUAMHD
CSC: I9506NEEAMI1
I noticed it only works on the original "Phone app".
This is what I think we need as a base to start with.
I9505
As close stock rom as possible. Now I saw that Hotfile was closed down (did a post about it) so I hope we get
Base
I9505 - Plain vanilla rom. As close we can get
I9506 - Depends here what you have. Here I would ask if someone has an unrooted and a rooted version.
Note 3 - I have an unrooted version. Anyone has a rooted? Knox tripped? I tried to root it with that Universal thing that doesn't trip know but it hangs.
This are the things we need to start with at least. Make nandroid-backups on them. When you have them I'll prepare a space for them on my g-drive
where you can upload them and then I can start to compare them.
Also, anyone with a Knox-tripped I9506. Please PM me. I got really strange behavior and I don't know if it's Knox or something else.
The ones with Note 3, did you get an "SELinux rules upgrade #16" a few days back? I didn't see that was an option to turn them off.
As I wrote in my other thread. My I9506 started to behave real strange. REALLY strange. There are a whole bunch of programs missing.
The are gone. I have 3 icons on them in launcher but they are just not there. So what gives?
Is this only me or is this something that we all get when we trip the Knox?
After I did a clean with the CleanMaster and removed the Knox apps, I can't get into settings, so I need to try a nandroid restore or in worst case
try to install a odin-version and reroot it. Or maybe play with it unrooted for a while.
This is serious things is this Knox-flag tripped something. I talked with my provider today about this.
So an inventory! What do we have for hardware to test on?
Things to investigate - Here I start list things that any of you can do. As I said. I can't do all and I have so much IRL that I shouldn't be here at all...
Hardware
We know it's closer to Note 3 then to 05. When I look at specs it seems like the same phone.
But I need a rooted Note3 to get the app that list ALL hardware, sensors etc, to compare it. An unrooted Note 3 will not get that access.
My theoryI is that a BL from Note 3 will probably work but one from 05 will not.
But that need to be verified. And I need to see that Odin can reflash if we do something that hangs the phone. This is the risk I will take.
What is on it?
Here I could start to compare. But I need backups of the phones!
If you happen to have any personal password for your wifi, I can give my word that I will overlook it.
Besides, what do I need it for? Not like I would come home to you and hack your Wifi
So here is a list of things:
There is no source released on their webpage about the i9506 yet.
We don't have any "pre-knox" BL for this one.
Can someone check the Note 3 forum if there is some pre-knox. Did a 4.2.2 even existed or was it a 4.3 from the start?
And then backups of the partitions for comparison.
That is the first steps to even start to move this.
/Paul
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Main:
AP: I9506XXUAMHE
CP: I9506XXUAMHD
CSC: I9506VF6AMH4

It's GOOD!!!

Ap : E330sksuamg5
cp : E330sksuamg4
csc : E330ssktamg4