Any FAST wireless car chargers out there ?! - Note 7 Accessories

Anyone find a FAST wireless car charger yet? From what I see the Samsung wireless car charger isn't FAST enabled, and it's pretty expensive. I've scoured Amazon and don't see any FAST ones either. I have a non car Choetech one rigged in my car with magnets, but it's an imperfect solution and I'd rather have one made for the car. It's too bad because iOttie has a super nice magnetic one, but it's not FAST charging. Anyone see anything?

spinedoc said:
Anyone find a FAST wireless car charger yet? From what I see the Samsung wireless car charger isn't FAST enabled, and it's pretty expensive. I've scoured Amazon and don't see any FAST ones either. I have a non car Choetech one rigged in my car with magnets, but it's an imperfect solution and I'd rather have one made for the car. It's too bad because iOttie has a super nice magnetic one, but it's not FAST charging. Anyone see anything?
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Verizon sells a car charger that fast charges my Note 7
https://www.verizonwireless.com/acc...er-with-fast-charge-technology-for-micro-usb/

spinedoc said:
Anyone find a FAST wireless car charger yet? From what I see the Samsung wireless car charger isn't FAST enabled, and it's pretty expensive. I've scoured Amazon and don't see any FAST ones either. I have a non car Choetech one rigged in my car with magnets, but it's an imperfect solution and I'd rather have one made for the car. It's too bad because iOttie has a super nice magnetic one, but it's not FAST charging. Anyone see anything?
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I personally only seen normal wireless chargers. You may just have to use the USB alternatives saddly unless you dont mind "slow" wireless charging.
Trust me....I'm looking too...find it funny I saw this post while searching the world wide web for the same thing :good::good:

mgbotoe said:
I personally only seen normal wireless chargers. You may just have to use the USB alternatives saddly unless you dont mind "slow" wireless charging.
Trust me....I'm looking too...find it funny I saw this post while searching the world wide web for the same thing :good::good:
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It's really odd that there are none on the market, QC 2.0 has been out for a while and I think QC 3.0 is starting to come out. I'll have to Frankenstein a desktop charger then, won't be the first time.

I bought this one:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01582ELMC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It has yet to ship though so i cant confirm it is actually fast charging.
I also bought this upright charger that is pretty slick: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H76NIAS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Unfortunately it does not come with the wall plug so you have to buy that separately.
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I bought this last January and it works great. It is fast wireless charging.
https://www.amazon.com/Qi-Infinity-...2582278&sr=8-11&keywords=wireless+car+charger

I'm using this one, come with usb c and micro usb for my other phones.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0176HA31U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

i am using my qc2.0, it works fine. Sure not 3.0, but charges fast nonetheless.

Just got this one and it shows fast wireless charging on the screen when in use. Tried it with GPS and screen on and it still charges pretty fast. I'm using it right now with the vent mount that also came with it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HBEY8Z0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

ggrant3876 said:
I'm using this one, come with usb c and micro usb for my other phones.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0176HA31U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Which would make it NOT WIRELESS...

I bought this one:
http://www.qi-infinity.com/collections/wireless-chargers/products/fast-wireless-car-charger
Just used it on a trip. Phone indicated fast charging but with a podcast player over bluetooth and CarHomeUltra running, it seemed to be using power faster than it was charging.

Wish they made one that clips on to the vent.
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shollywood said:
Which would make it NOT WIRELESS...
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Missed the word wireless, been up since 2:30AM. My Camry was built in wireless charging but not quick.

ggrant3876 said:
Missed the word wireless, been up since 2:30AM. My Camry was built in wireless charging but not quick.
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That's cool feature. Wonder if the new ones will have updated technology

I got the Samsung stand wireless charger and I set up in a place that looks OEM
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Couple good suggestions, anyone think they can be adapted to a CD mount?
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GripR said:
Wish they made one that clips on to the vent.
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See my post and the qi-infinity. They seem to be identical and clip to a vent...

The one I posted comes with a vent clip.
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Looking for a fast car charger

Hey guys,
Being a lot on the road, I was started to look for fast charging charger for my car.
I would appreciate if anyone with an experience with one of those chargers will share them.
Thank you
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i have been using this one for the last few weeks .. got it on amazon for 16 bucks
Onite 28.5w Dual USB Rapid Car Charger
Bought this one for a road trip and it performed very well. The device doesn't recognize it as a fast charger, but still charges the device from empty to full in about an hour. Also, thanks to KT kernel, I was able to determine that it pulls down just as much current as the OEM charger :good:
Thank you guys
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tomermax said:
Hey guys,
Being a lot on the road, I was started to look for fast charging charger for my car.
I would appreciate if anyone with an experience with one of those chargers will share them.
Thank you
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A few months ago I picked up a qualcomm quickcharge compatible charger for around 35 euros including shipping from the US, couldn't find anything cheaper, for a bit less you can pick up an official samsung fastcharger charger
You can't beat this Fast Charger from Verizon. Even has a bright push button LED light on the micro usb end, perfect for plugging the phone in complete darkness.
I got one on amazon (i think) with 4 ports, the bottom being quick charge. Works great. Normally only have quick charge plugged in but its nice to have a few extra spots. even full everything charges nice. I"ll see if I can find a link
THis is what i got and it works great.
http://www.amazon.com/Intelligent-C...spell&keywords=quick+chrge+4+port+car+charger
http://www.androidcentral.com/aukey...20-small-size?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=dlvrit
I don't suppose you've seen any QC2.0 that have dual ports and are about the same size as the Scosche reVolt C2, have you?
kevlarman said:
I don't suppose you've seen any QC2.0 that have dual ports and are about the same size as the Scosche reVolt C2, have you?
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Dual QC2.0 USB ports: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XJ7OTS0?psc=1
i used the CHOE fast charger, it supports Qualcomm quick charge 2.0 in one of the usb port and has 3 other ports. Works well and shows up at fast charging on my s6.
thank you guys for your inputs
i ordered this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/111675461244
thanks
neotekz said:
i used the CHOE fast charger, it supports Qualcomm quick charge 2.0 in one of the usb port and has 3 other ports. Works well and shows up at fast charging on my s6.
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Hi,
How do I know if my S6 was recognized my car charger as fast charger?
hi,
Dual QC2.0 USB ports:http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LJT2EPK/
it's far stars.
very quickly.
How fast?
will visit, thanks!
For mine, I got a Quick Charge car charger from tech matte. It's pretty standard. It does quick charge, so that's all good. It was only $10, which I think is a pretty decent price.
You can get one from Amazon or eBay I think, and there are so many good products on it, very convenient to choose from.

Fast Charging Desk Cradle

Have done a lot of searching on Amazon and still am unable to locate a good quality Type C to Type C 5V 3A desktop cradle. For that matter, I am unable to find a good quality cradle period. Anyone else have a suggestion?
They seen to be thin on the ground at the moment, any by thin on the ground I mean non existent...
Did you see this? Not sure if it's legit or not.
https://www.wish.com/m/c/5678c12173...2lzaDovL2MvNTY3OGMxMjE3M2JkNmQzNTU1OTY0ZWUy#0
Nope
fleadog99 said:
Did you see this? Not sure if it's legit or not.
https://www.wish.com/m/c/5678c12173...2lzaDovL2MvNTY3OGMxMjE3M2JkNmQzNTU1OTY0ZWUy#0
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I would not trust a cradle like that to hold a phone as large as the Nexus 6P to hold it just by the USB-C port.
Iam also looking for something like this. Iam thinking buying one that has type c end and connect the OEM charger that might work
I purchased the NXET dock after the review I read from Benson Leung giving it 5 stars. My first post so I can't post a direct link yet, but search 'NXET® Type-C Dock' on Amazon. The only thing I dislike is the cable is wired to the charger and cannot be removed. I had thought having only the Type-C port holding it up would cause issues, but I haven't had any problems and it charges pretty darn fast.
There's also one from Kidigi. Its similar if not the same as NXET's Type-C, but keep in mind Kidigi's first release wont fast charge and don't meet usb-c specs.
I don't think there's a proper fast charging dock yet. I'm using this spigen cradle which has a slot behind to plug in your charger and works well.
Unknownkj said:
I don't think there's a proper fast charging dock yet. I'm using this spigen cradle which has a slot behind to plug in your charger and works well.
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You'd think they would be able to just use a USB-C port on the back as well so that the dock simply acts as a cable extender of sorts. That way you could use whatever fast charger you want.
Unknownkj said:
I don't think there's a proper fast charging dock yet. I'm using this spigen cradle which has a slot behind to plug in your charger and works well.
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Etsy have a few wooden ones which look quite cool. Definitely going to grab one of these.
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bleepsake said:
Etsy have a few wooden ones which look quite cool. Definitely going to grab one of these.
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Which ones are you looking at?
xucardsfan08 said:
Which ones are you looking at?
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These ones I assume.
https://www.etsy.com/dk-en/listing/...y&ga_search_query=usb-c dock&ref=sr_gallery_2
https://www.etsy.com/dk-en/listing/...y&ga_search_query=usb-c dock&ref=sr_gallery_1
fleadog99 said:
Did you see this? Not sure if it's legit or not.
https://www.wish.com/m/c/5678c12173...2lzaDovL2MvNTY3OGMxMjE3M2JkNmQzNTU1OTY0ZWUy#0
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I cringe everytime I see wish.com
I printed my own.
blunden said:
These ones I assume.
https://www.etsy.com/dk-en/listing/...y&ga_search_query=usb-c dock&ref=sr_gallery_2
https://www.etsy.com/dk-en/listing/...y&ga_search_query=usb-c dock&ref=sr_gallery_1
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Which ones are you looking at?
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yup! These.
Okay, so it's not a charging cradle, but it only cost $2.79, and my stock charger plugs in just fine. Even sprung for one for the wife's MXP.

Just found a generic Qi wireless charging receiver for Nexus 6P!

I was browsing on Aliexpress.com than I found this Qi wireless charging receiver and charging Pad for Nexus 6P. I don't know if its good or not, or if it has Quick Charging function(probably not) or not. Just want to share it to everyone that's looking for something like this.
Thanks for this. But there is already a thread about this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3219394
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According to the page it outputs 5V at 1A, definitely not fast charging... but I really wouldn't expect that on something like this.
I used to have a similar style micro USB QI charger I used in the past and it worked fine on my Micro USB devices.
For me quick charging is more important to me than the convenience of wireless charging. Unless you plan to use wireless charging exclusively I find having to take off and put on the adapter often a hassle.
Still nice find for those that really want wireless charging.
Type-C Qi Wireless Charger UGPine Wireless Receiver Wireless Charging For Xiaomi 4C/4S/5 Meizu Pro5 Pro6 Oneplus Sony Huawei P9
http://s.aliexpress.com/iqQrYFbA
(from AliExpress Android)
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A-store Qi Wireless Charger Pad + Type-C Wireless Charger Sticker Receiver for Huawei P9/Google Nexus 6P; HTC 10; LG G5/LG Nexus 5X; OnePlus 2 Two; https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FMJ4UJU/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_LqIxxbE0GPCP4
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Does it work? Did you tested it already? Can you give me a little feedback? Thanks!
Ditto
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Don't know if this is even possible, but it would be perfect if there was one of these qi receivers with USB C that had a kind of pass through USB C plug, so that you could have the qi receiver plugged into the phone, but still be able to plug in a USB C cable from the wall when you want the faster charger.
bluegizmo83 said:
Don't know if this is even possible, but it would be perfect if there was one of these qi receivers with USB C that had a kind of pass through USB C plug, so that you could have the qi receiver plugged into the phone, but still be able to plug in a USB C cable from the wall when you want the faster charger.
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That wouldn't be possible without breaking the USB spec, and making it really bulky. These little qi receivers are easy to unplug, so that shouldn't be a big concern.
Pilz said:
That wouldn't be possible without breaking the USB spec, and making it really bulky. These little qi receivers are easy to unplug, so that shouldn't be a big concern.
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What about if you were to stick the qi receiver to the back of the phone and then put a case on over the phone and receiver, can you still unplug it fairly easily when you want to use the USB wall charger?
bluegizmo83 said:
What about if you were to stick the qi receiver to the back of the phone and then put a case on over the phone and receiver, can you still unplug it fairly easily when you want to use the USB wall charger?
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That's what I was implying rather than using a pass through. There's still a possibility the receiver will not work if directly touching the phone depending on how it's made, so once it can be confirmed working that should be fine.
Pilz said:
That's what I was implying rather than using a pass through. There's still a possibility the receiver will not work if directly touching the phone depending on how it's made, so once it can be confirmed working that should be fine.
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Oh ok. I may go ahead and order one and give it a try. I just thought maybe with a case on over it, that the case may pinch the cable of the receiver and not allow you to be able to unplug it from the phones USB port without removing the case first (which would be a pain).
bluegizmo83 said:
Oh ok. I may go ahead and order one and give it a try. I just thought maybe with a case on over it, that the case may pinch the cable of the receiver and not allow you to be able to unplug it from the phones USB port without removing the case first (which would be a pain).
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I might order one too since I have a plethora of wireless chargers for my S7 Edge. I'm hoping they made it correctly so it can be in direct contact with the phone (I.e. jts shielded correctly)
I have a bunch of chargers as well from my s6. So excited to get this and use them again.
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OK so got mine today and works as advertised. Tonight will be the first night to test. It's slower that's for sure when it comes to charging. The nub that plugs in isn't too big, which is nice. Takes some getting used to.
If you got time on your hands and have a wireless charge handy all the times then I would recommend this. If you dont have time then stick with usb c charging ad it's faster.
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Does it heat up at all? Would it be safe under a TPU case? I've ordered one along with a N6P so just waiting for the deliveries now.
Doesn't heat up, at least not that I have observed. I am using a tpu case. The fosmon cases and not an issue at all with charging.
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I've got my receiver and it looks pretty good. The plug is a bit thicker than I expected, but then it seems very sturdy. Unfortunately I don't have the actual handset yet so still waiting to use it. Hopefully it will slot in nicely behind a Diztronic case.
Pictures with a case around it would be nice
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Pictures with a case around it would be nice
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Give me a bit and I can post some.
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Wireless charging by way of USB Type-C receiver

Hey everyone. I know I'm late but I just recently got my new Nexus 6P and have been looking for accessories. I know previous Nexus devices have had wireless charging and wondered if this was possible for the 6P. I came across this on Amazon and wondered if anyone else has tried it or something similar.
Type-C Wireless Receiver, DISDIM Type C Qi Wireless Charger Receiver for LG G5, Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Nokia N1,Huawei P9 and More (Black)
I've used something similar, and it works fine, but it's annoying not having the usb port available.
I was thinking of leaving a little slack on the cord which could hopefully allow the USB type c connector to hang a little if I wanted to plug in. Anyway, how was your usage and charging like?
I have one and it's great. Never had an issue with it. It can be annoying to not have access to the port but pros and cons.
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Charges very slow on mine. Hoping maybe a higher output charger can speed it up but not holding my breath
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I got one from Amazon and it work's great. The actual plug bit sticks out a bit, but it's great to have wireless charging back. It is a little annoying to have to keep unplugging it for updates tho.
dunjamon said:
I got one from Amazon and it work's great. The actual plug bit sticks out a bit, but it's great to have wireless charging back. It is a little annoying to have to keep unplugging it for updates tho.
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What charging pad are you using to actually get good results? I plugged mine in at night and it says 6 hours till fully charged. When I wake up it still says 6 hours till fully charged
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I bought one from amazon and got the belkin qi chargers and both charge at a normal rate. Not fast charge by any means but it's normal charge for sure. I can go from 10% to full in the 6 hours I sleep overnight so. Just don't cheap out in the qi charger and you will be fine.
Edit. Got my tilt one from wish/geek.com
http://geek.wish.com/c/564d46f855e4d05a8f1d1b79
This is the one I use at night and works great.
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I bought a new charger and pad and now it does seem to work a little better.
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I've got the same one c_86 mentioned in black. Works a treat.
Isn't it possible to design a QI Wireless Charger Receiver that has a a pass-through USB-C input ? So you can charge it wireless, but also plug it in whenever necessary without unplugging the wireless charger adapter ?
THere's a market for that !:silly:
Wimmme said:
Isn't it possible to design a QI Wireless Charger Receiver that has a a pass-through USB-C input ? So you can charge it wireless, but also plug it in whenever necessary without unplugging the wireless charger adapter ?
THere's a market for that !:silly:
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By the time some engineered that. And created it they will have done wireless charging in metal phones and there will be no need for it.
c_86 said:
By the time some engineered that. And created it they will have done wireless charging in metal phones and there will be no need for it.
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Metal?! Are u serously sure?! Metal can affect wireless charging u know. But on the other hand, just imaging how cool to have an iron phone.
Aditmac1 said:
Metal?! Are u serously sure?! Metal can affect wireless charging u know. But on the other hand, just imaging how cool to have an iron phone.
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Thanks. I'm fully aware of that. But I know they are working on it and are close to solving the issue.
I've seen press releases of them working on it (wireless charging working on a aluminum cased phone)
c_86 said:
Thanks. I'm fully aware of that. But I know they are working on it and are close to solving the issue.
I've seen press releases of them working on it (wireless charging working on a aluminum cased phone)
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If this is solved it should be GOOD
Works fine but like all wireless charging, you have to be aware that it's slow. So slow that if you're navigating or streaming, it won't be able to keep up (which is why Google didn't include it on this phone, IMHO). It's annoying to have to unplug it every time I need a fast charge, so I hope someone builds that pass-through solution.
bigray327 said:
Works fine but like all wireless charging, you have to be aware that it's slow. So slow that if you're navigating or streaming, it won't be able to keep up (which is why Google didn't include it on this phone, IMHO). It's annoying to have to unplug it every time I need a fast charge, so I hope someone builds that pass-through solution.
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Google didn't include because they haven't figured out how to get wireless charging to work with aluminum phones yet. It's in the works

Question Super Fast Car Charger?

Is it me or are there a total lack of 45w+ PPS car chargers? I have the Samsung one, and it charges great, but the USB-C port is so loose and comes out constantly... Any recommendations on wired super fast chargers?
One of these two should work:
https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Baseus-Adapter-Delivery-Foldable/dp/B083J229RJ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=29O25V0E7TTLG&keywords=baseus+65w&qid=1657322617&smid=A3AOI0INZQJ8QV&sprefix=baseus+65w%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-2
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09C5RG6KV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
VICosPhi said:
One of these two should work:
https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Baseus-Adapter-Delivery-Foldable/dp/B083J229RJ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=29O25V0E7TTLG&keywords=baseus+65w&qid=1657322617&smid=A3AOI0INZQJ8QV&sprefix=baseus+65w%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-2
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09C5RG6KV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Neither of those are car chargers. Those are wall outlet chargers.
rjp0615 said:
Is it me or are there a total lack of 45w+ PPS car chargers? I have the Samsung one, and it charges great, but the USB-C port is so loose and comes out constantly... Any recommendations on wired super fast chargers?
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Best Buy has a 78W car charger.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/rexing-78w-vehicle-quick-charger-with-1-usb-c-1-usb-port-compatible-with-iphone-and-samsung-note-black/6453243.p?skuId=6453243&ref=212&loc=1&extStoreId=852&ref=212&loc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwq5-WBhB7EiwAl-HEkhJfgNg-CpD-JXRytWLS68vTJ9wFxDwYq_MAO1HBoglOKQS-j45MnBoCX48QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Keep in mind, your car has to be able to push that much wattage through the 12V electrical socket.
rjp0615 said:
Is it me or are there a total lack of 45w+ PPS car chargers? I have the Samsung one, and it charges great, but the USB-C port is so loose and comes out constantly... Any recommendations on wired super fast chargers?
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I bought one here.
And yes it is original
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqEI9c2
To be honest. I use a wireless charger from iOttie and it works well.
Auto Sense Dash & Windshield Mount - iOttie Car Mounts
The Auto Sense Dash & Windshield Mount is an advanced automatic clamping, wireless charging car mount designed for dashboard mounting.
www.iottie.com
It saves wear and tear on the USB port and it has enough juice to charge while I'm using Waze or Google Maps as well as play music.
My car is not Android Auto compatible (it's a 2014), so I can't speak to that.
It's not a45W charger but my S22 Ultra recognizes it as super fast charger. And charges really fast.
This is from AliExpress.
gernerttl said:
Neither of those are car chargers. Those are wall outlet chargers.
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I guess I missed the car part lol. Here is the one I have and works great for a car:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PRZ815M?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
BigDisplay said:
I bought one here.
And yes it is original
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqEI9c2
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This is the one I originally had. Does your USB c cable come loose super easy? I was weary of buying this one again because every time I hit a bump the cable comes loose.
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This is the one I originally had. Does your USB c cable come loose super easy? I was weary of buying this one again because every time I hit a bump the cable comes loose.
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I also have the original and i have no problem
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This is the one I originally had. Does your USB c cable come loose super easy? I was weary of buying this one again because every time I hit a bump the cable comes loose.
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Nope, it all fits perfectly with both original cables to

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