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Straight talk and misc questions.

Hey wanting to buy a phone outright and use straight talk as my provider
Forgive me for asking instead of tedious searching it's not laziness it's $700 is a lot of money to me...
1) straight talk would work with this phone correct?
2) does it need to be unlocked (most likely will be bought new full price but heck if I can buy for 400 like new I might)
3) it appears the boot loader is unlocked, in this device?
4) cm may come to this or is there an issue?
Edit: I see Samsung is still playing with annoying chipsets
5) i know typically for Samsung and development t mobile is a good choice. would you guys recommend a different flavor of the note5 ? Att, international, ect..
6) any regrets?
Thanks in advance.
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mrkhigh said:
Hey wanting to buy a phone outright and use straight talk as my provider
Forgive me for asking instead of tedious searching it's not laziness it's $700 is a lot of money to me...
1) straight talk would work with this phone correct?
2) does it need to be unlocked (most likely will be bought new full price but heck if I can buy for 400 like new I might)
3) it appears the boot loader is unlocked, in this device?
4) cm may come to this or is there an issue?
Edit: I see Samsung is still playing with annoying chipsets
5) i know typically for Samsung and development t mobile is a good choice. would you guys recommend a different flavor of the note5 ? Att, international, ect..
6) any regrets?
Thanks in advance.
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I'll try answering to the best of my knowledge, to start best flavors would be t-mobile and Verizon (comes unlocked straight out) if you grab one from t-mobile there not unlocked straight up unless paid off which in your case it should be haha you will still need to grab an unlock code from them or you could get your device unlocked through a member of xda over in the note 5 general (I myself have done that with him took 5 minutes and works perfectly!!) I assume you know everything you need for straight, the sim starter kit (order it from there website it's cheaper trust me) it will work with straight talk so long as you meet all requirements necessary! I'm skeptical on if it NEEDs to be unlocked as I've met people who said they brought there phones over after not paying there contract bills with (a friend of mine did this) att and to this day uses his HTC 1 m8 with no problems other than he can't picture text because there apns are weird or something with the way he did it without unlocking his phone. As for the bootloader it's unlocked based on you, all you have to do is head to settings, developer settings and choose oem unlock this unlocks it so you don't get the stupid FRP locking error after flashing a rom or rooting or any of the such
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I don't believe the boot loader is unlockable (unlocked) on anything but T-Mobile though correct?
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Who's buying the VZW exclusive pixel?

Since the Pixel in Google store is all sold out and will be delayed by 6 to 8 weeks, is anyone going to pick up the vzw one? I am tempted but its the bootloader that is unlockable swaying my way from vzw. Looks like I will be waiting 6 to 8 weeks......

I would have bought 2 from VZW, instead had to get them from Google because of the locked bootloader bs.

mdmogren said:
I would have bought 2 from VZW, instead had to get them from Google because of the locked bootloader bs.
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So they are saying it's impossible to break the bootloader?
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lucky_strike33 said:
So they are saying it's impossible to break the bootloader?
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It's way too soon to call it "impossible" -- but we definitely can't count on it, and I'm not risking my $800 phone being bootloader locked.

Work will pay for my phone only if I order through Verizon, so unless I can sell it NIB (which I don't know if I am allowed) and turn around and buy the Play Store version, I am pretty much stuck with a locked down phone. Here's hoping that an unofficial unlock happens at some point.

I have one on the way from VZW. Will be here in 2 days. I don't care that it's locked. Silver FTW.

NetworkingPro said:
I have one on the way from VZW. Will be here in 2 days. I don't care that it's locked. Silver FTW.
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I thought won't be out till the 20th.
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NetworkingPro said:
I have one on the way from VZW. Will be here in 2 days. I don't care that it's locked. Silver FTW.
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BS.
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Hmmm... I'm thinking the same.
I got my 128 in black before the preorder page officially launched, still said Oct 21-24. I work for vzw but there's no way I'd buy it thru them simply bc I want an unlocked bootloader!! But the vzw ones aren't shipping until later in the month as well...

Is the locked bootloader the only difference between the VZW and google store model? Well, only difference for now...we'll see when the first update comes.
Signed...still angry about my VZW Galaxy Nexus

lanternca said:
Is the locked bootloader the only difference between the VZW and google store model? Well, only difference for now...we'll see when the first update comes.
Signed...still angry about my VZW Galaxy Nexus
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Every Verizon phone I've owned came packed with Verizon bloatware. NFL Mobile, VZ Navigator and a whole bunch of other trash. I imagine the same will be true with their pixel.

TheSt33v said:
Every Verizon phone I've owned came packed with Verizon bloatware. NFL Mobile, VZ Navigator and a whole bunch of other trash. I imagine the same will be true with their pixel.
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Found this. Says it'll be VZ Messages, VZ, and Go90. I could live with that actually, but not going to matter since I switched to AT&T anyway
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/10/06/verizons-bloatware-pixel-will-minimal-maybe-just-3-apps/

I have one coming from the google store and one from verizon. MY girl is still on verizon so it made sense to get it on payment plan plus 100 gift card at best buy. i dont need to unlock her phone... so it makes sense

jerflash said:
I have one coming from the google store and one from verizon. MY girl is still on verizon so it made sense to get it on payment plan plus 100 gift card at best buy. i dont need to unlock her phone... so it makes sense
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I was kind of in the same boat. On vzw. Was able to get $200 credit total for my M8 plus a free VR daydream. I'm a little griped I can't just buy the device protection from google but it only seems to be apply to phones purchased direct through their store. I'm ok with the lock bl because I'm not going to be running ROM variants on this particular. Root will be fine enough. So it was easier for me to make the choice to get it through vzw than google. If I don't like the phone, I can return and get another phone.

Just read that Verizon will control updates. That's a deal breaker for me. http://thenextweb.com/google/2016/10/07/verizon-google-pixel-update/#gref

Just wait... Verizon sucks!

I'm still torn. I preordered on VZW then heard that Verizon was going to control updates so I cancelled and ordered on Google. But now I'm hearing that WiFi calling won't work on the unlocked version on Verizon. And visual voice mail won't work either. So now I'm pretty torn which one I want. I don't need an unlocked bootloader, but do like the latest versions as soon as they're available.

According to Google support, WiFi calling will work on Verizon:
Thanks for writing in. Hope you're doing well!*
First, I'd like to take this*opportunity*to apologize for the delay in responding to your email.
I have checked with my product specialists and I'd like to inform you that,*all the Google devices have the *Wi-Fi calling option pre-installed. However, you just need to contact the Verizon support once you setup the device and they'll enable the service on your device. Once Verizon enable the services you can go ahead and make the Wi-Fi calls.
You can contact the carrier ( Verizon ) using the below contact details.
Verizon1-800-922-020424 hours/day, 7 days/week
Full service: 6:00 AM–11:00 PM Mon-Fri, 8:00 AM-9:00PM Sat-Sun

v3rn said:
According to Google support, WiFi calling will work on Verizon:
Thanks for writing in. Hope you're doing well!*
First, I'd like to take this*opportunity*to apologize for the delay in responding to your email.
I have checked with my product specialists and I'd like to inform you that,*all the Google devices have the *Wi-Fi calling option pre-installed. However, you just need to contact the Verizon support once you setup the device and they'll enable the service on your device. Once Verizon enable the services you can go ahead and make the Wi-Fi calls.
You can contact the carrier ( Verizon ) using the below contact details.
Verizon1-800-922-020424 hours/day, 7 days/week
Full service: 6:00 AM–11:00 PM Mon-Fri, 8:00 AM-9:00PM Sat-Sun
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strange

Just saw this article:
http://phandroid.com/2016/10/12/verizon-pixel-updates-simultaneously/
Basically, if you don't care about the locked bootloader, then you don't need to buy the phone from Google. You shouldn't have to worry about the updates and there are only 3 bloatware apps which take you less than 30 seconds to uninstall.

Where to buy my S8?

OK, I lived thru the Note 7 fiasco. In the end it actually did some good things for me. I finally ditched ATT and my micro-cell completely and went with prepaid Straight Talk combined with Google Voice/Hangouts on my old Note 3 temporarily until the S8s arrive. I've found out it works well for me. Carrier IP calling is not required. I love calling from my other devices.
The question for me now is where do I buy/pre-order the S8 (more likely an S8+) when it does become available? I do not want to use ATT because of a number of reasons. I've grown to hate them over the years. I always pay cash for my phones.
One of the main reasons I don't look closer at some of the other flagship phones is I really like Samsung Pay. The popularity of Android Pay POS machines is just not there nor is it growing much. That also prevents me from rooting etc. something I've done a lot in the past, but if I don't have the bloatware it will be less painful.
Do I look at an international version? Where to buy?
Thoughts? Ideas? Comments?

Phredeee said:
OK, I lived thru the Note 7 fiasco. In the end it actually did some good things for me. I finally ditched ATT and my micro-cell completely and went with prepaid Straight Talk combined with Google Voice/Hangouts on my old Note 3 temporarily until the S8s arrive. I've found out it works well for me. Carrier IP calling is not required. I love calling from my other devices.
The question for me now is where do I buy/pre-order the S8 (more likely an S8+) when it does become available? I do not want to use ATT because of a number of reasons. I've grown to hate them over the years. I always pay cash for my phones.
One of the main reasons I don't look closer at some of the other flagship phones is I really like Samsung Pay. The popularity of Android Pay POS machines is just not there nor is it growing much. That also prevents me from rooting etc. something I've done a lot in the past, but if I don't have the bloatware it will be less painful.
Do I look at an international version? Where to buy?
Thoughts? Ideas? Comments?
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Any S8 that comes with an unlocked bootloader or a bootloader that can be unlocked. International variants are typically unlocked or can be unlocked.
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Droidriven said:
Any S8 that comes with an unlocked bootloader or a bootloader that can be unlocked. International variants are typically unlocked or can be unlocked.
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Exactly the idea. But where?

Phredeee said:
Exactly the idea. But where?
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What do you mean where? It's not hard to find where they are/would be available. Try ordering from Samsung directly, the price will be cheaper.
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What do you mean where? It's not hard to find where they are/would be available. Try ordering from Samsung directly, the price will be cheaper.
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Samsung does not sell unbranded phones directly. Best Buy was supposed to be selling factory unlocked phones but has pulled their pre-order ad. Name one place, besides EBAY, that someone can pre-order or purchase
(when available, May9) a fully unlocked S8.

Phredeee said:
Samsung does not sell unbranded phones directly. Best Buy was supposed to be selling factory unlocked phones but has pulled their pre-order ad. Name one place, besides EBAY, that someone can pre-order or purchase
(when available, May9) a fully unlocked S8.
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So the people I've helped that bought their devices straight from Samsung to avoid all the carrier branded bloatware were just my imagination, right?
Yes, they do, in fact, offer non branded phones directly, or at least they did.
They may not offer factory unlocked devices, but they offer unbranded international models that can easily be unlocked.
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So the people I've helped that bought their devices straight from Samsung to avoid all the carrier branded bloatware were just my imagination, right?
Yes, they do, in fact, offer non branded phones directly, or at least they did.
They may not offer factory unlocked devices, but they offer unbranded international models that can easily be unlocked.
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Maybe I'm just not finding it. I have searched their website high and low. Everything appears to be tied to a carrier. I would sure like to find it.

Phredeee said:
Maybe I'm just not finding it. I have searched their website high and low. Everything appears to be tied to a carrier. I would sure like to find it.
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Samsung itself might not be offering it yet but I did find these with a simple google search for unlocked international phones direct.
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...-unlocked-galaxy-s8-plus-pricing-release-date
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Factory-Unlocked-Smart/dp/B06XXRX8NW
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Does the unlocked version support Sprint?

If you get the unlocked version from HTC's website, does it support Sprint, or will they have different radios? I tweeted HTC and they said that the unlocked version will NOT support Sprint.... But if you look on there website at the radios then I don't see an issue, they are the same as the unlocked version.
Here is a link to the website for the radios.
http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-u11/buy/#!color=black
And the unlocked radios:
http://www.htc.com/us/go/htc-u11-unlocked/
I also asked if I were to get the Sprint version would that support all other carriers (ie. AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon), I did not get a response from HTC.
I will say this would be absolutely ridiculous if the Sprint version is dumb down and doesn't support the rest of the world. I honestly would think about switching if this were the case. I just want to be on a GSM carrier that I don't have to worry about "if my phone will work" on this network. Annoying.
BTW I say this because I travel a lot, so having 1 phone that works everywhere would be the best thing in the world.

MrT246007 said:
If you get the unlocked version from HTC's website, does it support Sprint, or will they have different radios? I tweeted HTC and they said that the unlocked version will NOT support Sprint.... But if you look on there website at the radios then I don't see an issue, they are the same as the unlocked version.
Here is a link to the website for the radios.
http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-u11/buy/#!color=black
And the unlocked radios:
http://www.htc.com/us/go/htc-u11-unlocked/
I also asked if I were to get the Sprint version would that support all other carriers (ie. AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon), I did not get a response from HTC.
I will say this would be absolutely ridiculous if the Sprint version is dumb down and doesn't support the rest of the world. I honestly would think about switching if this were the case. I just want to be on a GSM carrier that I don't have to worry about "if my phone will work" on this network. Annoying.
BTW I say this because I travel a lot, so having 1 phone that works everywhere would be the best thing in the world.
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out of the box, the Unlocked ROM would not support Sprint, but the hardware is the same between the unlocked & sprint, so technically you could flash the Sprint ROM on the unlocked model. The problem is the unlocked IMEI would not be whitelisted. As far as the Sprint model supporting the GSM carriers...yes it would, provided the sim was unlocked...or you could flash the unlocked ROM.

OMJ said:
out of the box, the Unlocked ROM would not support Sprint, but the hardware is the same between the unlocked & sprint, so technically you could flash the Sprint ROM on the unlocked model. The problem is the unlocked IMEI would not be whitelisted. As far as the Sprint model supporting the GSM carriers...yes it would, provided the sim was unlocked...or you could flash the unlocked ROM.
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OMFG THANK YOU! This makes way more sense now. I have been all over the Internet looking for an answer. Well at least I know the actual hardware is the same.
I feel like having to deal with hoping that Sprint will support the unlocked devices IMEI wpuld be worse then buying the Sprint flavor.
So I have 2 easy options then.
1. Buy it from Sprint at full price and do not extend my contact. Then have them unlock it which they can't say no to if I have no obligation to them.
2. Buy it from HTC but in the Sprint version. But I have to figure out if it is unlocked. I think it is. It looks like it is on there website.
Man I hate how buying phones and carrier plans work in the US. I wish we would go to an overseas model, and almost every phone is unlocked. Then you just decided what service you want yourself. So easy to just walk in a store and get service with whatever phone you want.

MrT246007 said:
OMFG THANK YOU! This makes way more sense now. I have been all over the Internet looking for an answer. Well at least I know the actual hardware is the same.
I feel like having to deal with hoping that Sprint will support the unlocked devices IMEI wpuld be worse then buying the Sprint flavor.
So I have 2 easy options then.
1. Buy it from Sprint at full price and do not extend my contact. Then have them unlock it which they can't say no to if I have no obligation to them.
2. Buy it from HTC but in the Sprint version. But I have to figure out if it is unlocked. I think it is. It looks like it is on there website.
Man I hate how buying phones and carrier plans work in the US. I wish we would go to an overseas model, and almost every phone is unlocked. Then you just decided what service you want yourself. So easy to just walk in a store and get service with whatever phone you want.
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you can unlock the SIM yourself quite easily same method as HTC Bolt/10/M9/A9 etc... https://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-one-m9/general/nv-unlock-sim-t3314755

OMJ said:
you can unlock the SIM yourself quite easily same method as HTC Bolt/10/M9/A9 etc... https://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-one-m9/general/nv-unlock-sim-t3314755
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Ah that is very handy, I might look into doing that. Thank You.
However, I do think I am going to purchase the phone at full price anyway as that is what I was planning on doing, but this is good to know. At least the hardware is the same and I wont be locked down by Sprint. I should just buy it direct from HTC I think.

MrT246007 said:
Ah that is very handy, I might look into doing that. Thank You.
However, I do think I am going to purchase the phone at full price anyway as that is what I was planning on doing, but this is good to know. At least the hardware is the same and I wont be locked down by Sprint. I should just buy it direct from HTC I think.
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Yeah, it is cheaper to buy from HTC at full price especially with the $50 off code.. Plus you could make interest free payments via PayPal credit if you wanted to
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Yeah, it is cheaper to buy from HTC at full price especially with the $50 off code.. Plus you could make interest free payments via PayPal credit if you wanted to
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Ya I was thinking the same thing. But its weird on HTC's website if you select the Sprint version it doesn't have the color black. But if you go to sprint they do..... facepalm.
Also I spoke with Sprint yesterday to see if they would tell me if the unlocked one works, and they refused to even check. They wanted the MEID of the device, which I don't have, and I told them I don't have it until I buy the phone online and have it shipped to me. So this is annoying.
Also I just ran across this article on Android Central that the Verizon version dose not have CDMA radios. Now that makes me wonder about the Sprint version.
https://www.androidcentral.com/us-u...-support-verizons-cdma-network-and-thats-okay

MrT246007 said:
Ya I was thinking the same thing. But its weird on HTC's website if you select the Sprint version it doesn't have the color black. But if you go to sprint they do..... facepalm.
Also I spoke with Sprint yesterday to see if they would tell me if the unlocked one works, and they refused to even check. They wanted the MEID of the device, which I don't have, and I told them I don't have it until I buy the phone online and have it shipped to me. So this is annoying.
Also I just ran across this article on Android Central that the Verizon version dose not have CDMA radios. Now that makes me wonder about the Sprint version.
https://www.androidcentral.com/us-u...-support-verizons-cdma-network-and-thats-okay
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Sprint still has CDMA
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I swear this is a headache. Just go to Sprint and buy the dang thing, then either unlock it myself or have them do it. Just have to suck up the extra $50.

MrT246007 said:
I swear this is a headache. Just go to Sprint and buy the dang thing, then either unlock it myself or have them do it. Just have to suck up the extra $50.
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at least pre-ordering via Sprint will get u 2 free Amazon Echo dots ($100 value)

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at least pre-ordering via Sprint will get u 2 free Amazon Echo dots ($100 value)
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Ya I guess you are right on that. I don't even want the things, I suppose I could just sell them. But I know myself and i am bad a selling electronics even if I don't want them.
Oh and went to Sprint's website today and I could not even click on the HTC U 11. I hope they didn't stop pre-orders. Or I could just till the device comes out I suppose.

If I buy the Sprint version from HTC. Can I still have Sprint unlock it?

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If I buy the Sprint version from HTC. Can I still have Sprint unlock it?
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last time I checked the device had to be active for 3 months before they would unlock, but not sure if anything has changed....but like I said earlier, it's not difficult to unlock yourself

MrT246007 said:
Ya I guess you are right on that. I don't even want the things, I suppose I could just sell them. But I know myself and i am bad a selling electronics even if I don't want them.
Oh and went to Sprint's website today and I could not even click on the HTC U 11. I hope they didn't stop pre-orders. Or I could just till the device comes out I suppose.
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http://shop.sprint.com/mysprint/shop/phone_details.jsp?deviceSKUId=112100103

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http://shop.sprint.com/mysprint/shop/phone_details.jsp?deviceSKUId=112100103
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I know I'm excited

ticklemepinks said:
I know I'm excited
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Hearing rumors of other versions being delayed, let's hope Sprint isn't
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Hearing rumors of other versions being delayed, let's hope Sprint isn't
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Really ?

OMJ said:
Hearing rumors of other versions being delayed, let's hope Sprint isn't
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care to explain?

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Hearing rumors of other versions being delayed, let's hope Sprint isn't
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Thank you for the link. Probably my Ad Block or something.
And ya where are these rumors from?

Lock-N-Load said:
care to explain?
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just rumors from around here..though @mammothjojo88 got the same response from HTC customer service
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chesstopher said:
Pre-ordered mine today and haven't received any sort of confirmation email from HTC. I also got 2-day shipping...we'll see if that makes any difference as to when it will :fingers-crossed:show up. :fingers-crossed:
Edit: Cancelled my pre-order and confirmed with 2 people on the support staff that they will not be shipping until mid-month.
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over the pond:
Freak07 said:
Hey guys. Kinda bad news. HTC (Germany) just told me after telling me this morning my unit will ship today that it will ship on the 8th of June.
I asked why they didn’t contact me and sent me an email telling me it is delayed. They just told I am expected to contact them in order to know my shipping date. A bit ridiculous.
I sincerely hope they don’t have hardware issues.
Well if it’s the same as with my pixel xl then we all have to wait because HTC cant keep its production up with the demand.
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Question Sweet merciful Jesus is the Verizon bootloader still permalocked?

How has nobody found a solution to this? Surely it's a software thing. You'd have thought some badass member somewhere with enough of a chip on their shoulder against Verizon would have figured a way around this.
Too bad there isn't a bounty for it.

jdkzombie said:
How has nobody found a solution to this? Surely it's a software thing. You'd have thought some badass member somewhere with enough of a chip on their shoulder against Verizon would have figured a way around this.
Too bad there isn't a bounty for it.
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I doubt it is a simple or easy as it being simply a "software thing", and I completely believe it could/would never be done...but @wr3cckl3ss1 is on the case!
you can see a bit of how he's progressing HERE and HERE and HERE

It's unfortunate; this was actually the reason I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile lol. It appears the Verizon variant of the Pixel 6 remained locked all this time so I wouldn't bet on much different with the Pixel 7 :/ Hopefully somebody finds something for those with the VZW variant.

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I doubt it is a simple or easy as it being simply a "software thing", and I completely believe it could/would never be done...but @wr3cckl3ss1 is on the case!
you can see a bit of how he's progressing HERE and HERE and HERE
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Nice!
Surely it couldn't be a hardware lock!?

Does anyone know how to read and interpret a Magisk log? And can show or tell me what's missing

jdkzombie said:
Nice!
Surely it couldn't be a hardware lock!?
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The issue here is 2 java applets.....nothing hardware.

Too bad we didn't have a Verizon inside agent. Tell us wtf they do to lock it. Because isn't that against Googles Tos? It's sold as an unlock able device.

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Too bad we didn't have a Verizon inside agent. Tell us wtf they do to lock it. Because isn't that against Googles Tos? It's sold as an unlock able device.
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It's Verizon that demands it. But it's Google's own code that puts the lock in place...so they're both at fault.

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It's Verizon that demands it. But it's Google's own code that puts the lock in place...so they're both at fault.
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Weird. Strange that this would still be a thing. Not like the device was cheap to purchase.

My question is why is Verizon so "gung-ho" about it? More than any other carrier (other carriers eventually allow to unlock the bootloader)? I could understand when they used to repair their own devices (so they didn't want the liability and the headaches of when customers messed with the devices); but that's the not the case anymore. Outside of their greedy archaic grasp on tethering and to load unremovable bloatware, I don't know what they have to fear of unlocked bootloaders & root access.

Who knows.
I'm willing to throw money towards a bounty that removes Verizons strangle hold on devices. I don't mind their service, and the signal is good where I live, but I like customization. And I'd love to try some new kernals to change up the CPU scheduler and power plans to stop the phone from bringing the 4 big cores online for casual use.

Just get the unlocked version and use with Verizon service. What's the upside with having the Verizon variant?

Because it's not that simple. You can't swappa sell a phone you're making any payments towards. And the phone is too new for trade in with another carrier of any type.

VZW variants have been locked since the OG Pixel days aside from that small window before taking an OTA you could unlock if it was on a certain version. Sadly I don't see this changing anytime soon and if you want to unlock BL and root get the unlocked version from the Google Store. There's really little incentive buying Pixels from Verizon now. With Pixel Pass and Google Store financing those are good options if you can't drop all the money up front.

Just buy the unlocked model. Some retailers have awesome trade in deals coming from the 6 series or iPhones. It works just as well on Verizon and avoids the 36 month committment.

I hate how Verizon shuts down the option for unlocking the bootloader and rooting, but it is easier to purchase a device from them because your payments will coincide with your regular monthly cell bill, you already pass the credit check when you open an account with them (no need to apply for one with Google Synchrony Financing), and I just went through with this with my wife's phone but unless you qualify enough to cover the Pixel (my wife qualified for the Pixel 7, not the P7P at the storage capacity we wanted), you're stuck paying all (up to $1400 [P7P 512GB w/ 2 year protection & tax]) up front -- where there's virtually no risk of this if you purchase through Verizon (they want to lock you in to years-long contract and you already passed the credit check)! So there's (some of) the benefits....
*but it's still more worth it beyond any of these "benefits" to get it from Google Store unlocked....

Lol. Here's a simple solution. Buy the unlocked version. Who changes carriers because of a bl lock? WTF?

At this point I think we all know that Verizon isn't going to unlock the Bootloader. if you want an unlocked bootloader, it is easier, and more guaranteed to just buy the unlocked version from Google vs trying to find vulnerabilities in the bootloader and having to worry about it being patched each month.

Not sure if this is still in effect, but many years ago, if you purchased an unlocked phone instead of the Verizon branded one, WiFi calling wouldn't work. I'm not sure if there was something missing from the phone that Verizon needed to make it happen, or if Verizon was just screwing over those who purchased unlocked versions.

andygold said:
Not sure if this is still in effect, but many years ago, if you purchased an unlocked phone instead of the Verizon branded one, WiFi calling wouldn't work. I'm not sure if there was something missing from the phone that Verizon needed to make it happen, or if Verizon was just screwing over those who purchased unlocked versions.
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it's working perfectly fine with my device....it also worked with my Pixel 5 (also unlocked variant from Google Store)....