Most other people have very unrootable phones (I know us G900A-s do), and this Quadrooter exploit is present on multiple devices. What if we started a bounty to encourage development of this exploit, and whoever makes a working root first gets the payout? I'd be willing to contribute at least $20.
well, since it spans on so many devices and the driver seems to be the same, it would only require minor tweaks for each device. So any working code for one device can be applied to almost all of them. So in effect, all you have to do here is to compile a list of already existing bounties for all the pending devices and that will be the pool the dev for the exploit will get
this is a very good idea and needs to happen asap. my phone is terribly bloated and i cannot get root. ZTE Z988. Ive tried everything i can think of to get it rooted and this quadroot exploit looks like the best way in
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To preface I am ignorant of the practical process/exploit for each of these devices. Knowledge of which may completely negate the point made here.
*CAUTION: Philosophical musings below*
It seems like we are seeing the most recent root successes being a result of a Race Condition exploit, as in: the Incredible, the ERIS ("Leakers" root) and, as far as I can tell so far, the DROID X.
Have devs stumbled upon a cross device methodology for achieving Root access on android based devices? Give the sheer variety upon android based devices I would have thought that a common approach to rooting being out of the question in anymore then a purely conceptual sense. Now,it seems like I may be wrong, and a common approach (baring certain practical differences) is in fact possible.
Thoughts?
T-Mobile sneaks "rootkit" into G2 phones - reinstalls locked-down OS after root
Not that there haven't been preventative measures before, but it looks like the G2 will be "unrootable" to start. Might be something to consider before jumping in with the G2. Very sad as this phone looks like a winner in all other ways.
Here is the original article on BoingBoing.
Hmmm... I'd be interested to know where the original OS ROM is stored, as that would take up a lot of space...
If it's true, then we next find how it "decides" it's rooted, and look at fooling that. If not, look at changing the image to be flashed with a custom ROM or dummy one.
Still failing that, perhaps looking into what calls this chip, and if boot process could be made to skip this.
Something seems strange about this, though I've not researched it properly yet... anyone seen it reported on other sources yet?
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anyone seen it reported on other sources yet?
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http://gizmodo.com/5656921/t+mobiles-g2-rootkit-will-reinstall-stock-android-after-a-jailbreak
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http://gizmodo.com/5656921/t+mobiles-g2-rootkit-will-reinstall-stock-android-after-a-jailbreak
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Thanks, that links back to XDA, so I had a quick read of the latest... I was considering buying the G2/whatever it's called, but I have now changed my mind.
Yes folks, I just made a purchasing decision based on some silly little security chip, and I encourage others to do likewise. I am sure the security will be broken on it, at which point (if it's a permanent root/custom flash) I would re-consider my position, but as it stands, I refuse to buy it.
I have no idea who decided this was needed, but I certainly will not be buying from them in future. If it's T-Mobile, I will switch network (despite the fact they're a good network in the UK), if HTC I will look to other manufacturers.
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It's not that much different to what Motorola is doing with the Droid X, Droid 2 and Milestone, where if it detects any meddling it will brick the phone.
But in the long term, it's OUR phones, we can do whatever we please. Trust me it will be bypassed, if a lock can be made by a human, it can be BROKEN by a human. Look at the Desire for example.
They should do what they did with the N1, if the user unlocks the bootloader, and meddles with it until they bugger the phone, and they try sending it back for warranty, it's the users fault.
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Not that there haven't been preventative measures before, but it looks like the G2 will be "unrootable" to start. Might be something to consider before jumping in with the G2. Very sad as this phone looks like a winner in all other ways.
Here is the original article on BoingBoing.
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Explain to me how write protection == rootkit. In fact, it's quite the opposite - a rootkit (of sorts) allows us to exploit our way into a rootshell and install su to /system/bin/. This is nothing more than clever write-protection in the mmc.
And as usual, HTC is late on delivering the kernel source so we can really see what's up...
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Yes folks, I just made a purchasing decision based on some silly little security chip, and I encourage others to do likewise. I am sure the security will be broken on it, at which point (if it's a permanent root/custom flash) I would re-consider my position, but as it stands, I refuse to buy it.
I have no idea who decided this was needed, but I certainly will not be buying from them in future. If it's T-Mobile, I will switch network (despite the fact they're a good network in the UK), if HTC I will look to other manufacturers.
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Why would HTC look to other carriers?
I ranted about this back in the WinMo days, but XDA is essentially picking up the slack for manufacturer/carrier actions. You said so yourself; you're not considering the G2 for a purchase anymore....until XDA or another dev forum finds a way around the security measure. And you will not buy from them...so long as HTC doesn't work with the carrier anymore, but if sales remain the same, they'll have no reason to stop.
So manufacturers/carriers don't need to change the way they implement security measures, they just need to keep making desirable phones and so long as others pick up the slack, they'll be able to capture the sales of the userbase that likes rooting their phones. This is going to continue being the case -- Android manufacturers will create phones and users will buy the phones on the promise that forums like XDA will make it better.
For real change to occur, sales have to be greatly affected.
Looks like the anti-root movement is beginning to snowball into a full fledged avalanche. I currently have a Droid X and it seems its locked bootloader has cause many devs to give up. Sure we have root and a few roms and themes to get rid of bloatware, but it isn't as great as a full unlock, not to mention lack of a true SBF for OTA 2.2 users.
HTC was going to be my next choice after I got bored with my X in about a year or so (more like 6 months). But it seems now that they've developed this tech for the G2, I'm sure all other carriers will want it on all future HTC devices. As soon a Samsung steps it up and creates their own locked bootloader, we'll all be SOL. What's left? Dell? Sony Ericsson?
Seems like all carriers will only be selling phones with locked bootloaders. I thought HTC was on our side, but the G2 is proof of the contrary. We need a manufacturer that embraces devs. With the recent bootloader unlocking failures seen with the Droid X and the difficulty seen with the Milestone, does anyone here think the development community can overcome the bootloader challenge?
HTC response to G2 complaint
emailed HTC to voice my displeasure. rather than ignoring my email, they felt compelled to reply with some low level, non-commital, and utterly moronic dribble especially in light of t-mobile already having released its lame-o statement. i also find it rather questionable that google had any part in this. too bad that HTC is following the Motorola model of duping folks into thinking they bought a device when all that money actually just buys time-limited, pre-defined functionality.
Without root Android wont be the same, looks like I'll be going back to Winders if this is the direction they are going to take it. They are taking all the fun out of it.
Let me start by saying yes I read the forum rules for the Paid Software group and as far as I can tell I'm posting in the correct spot. I don't meet the 100+ post criteria but I also am not selling an application. If this belongs elsewhere please move it, don't delete
Basically what I'm looking for is some constructive critisim and feedback. I'm a software development major wanting to someday make a career of Android development, but as a student am constantly needing to partake in projects. For side work for the last year or so I have been doing Android rooting, flashing and modification via CL. One big issue I immedietly noticed was my scope of work. I could reach a much larger audience if travel wasn't part of the equation. This gave me an idea..
Most root methods are simply a few scripts ran in sequence, with a possible reboot or two in the process. A lot of that can even be handled by writing a single script to run each file in order, with a response wait while rebooting occurs.
I'm considering hosting a website on which users can access my server, and, after selecting their device, root it with a single click. Keep in mind I've successfully rooted over 70 phones, with no failures, and have been tediously keep track of the easiest, least risky exploits and methods. Of course rooting (like always) would be at the users liability.
Any ideas or feedback would be greatly appriciated. Android is, and poised to continue, dominating the smartphone market. I feel that a resource like this would literally be invaluable to the community. If I continue to stick with this it will probably be going on KickStarter soon.
bummmpity bumpage
Evo OTA 4.24.651.1
Have you been able to root the HTC Evo 4G with the 4.24.651.1 update?
Hi,
I'm very new to android phones. I'm wondering who makes the root files for the phones? are they made by different individuals, or is there a team?
I'm really in need to root my ATT unlocked G850A for Wifi Hotspot and other major functions that are locked. I found roots for many of the Samsung Galaxy Alpha versions except the G850A!
I understand the demand for the root might not be as high as for other phones, but it's been out for a while.. I'm a tech-noob, if there's a way I can contribute to rooting this phone, I would.
I mean I don't mind paying a reasonable price to the developers, and I'm sure many other users wouldn't mind either.
Zwitski said:
Hi,
I'm very new to android phones. I'm wondering who makes the root files for the phones? are they made by different individuals, or is there a team?
I'm really in need to root my ATT unlocked G850A for Wifi Hotspot and other major functions that are locked. I found roots for many of the Samsung Galaxy Alpha versions except the G850A!
I understand the demand for the root might not be as high as for other phones, but it's been out for a while.. I'm a tech-noob, if there's a way I can contribute to rooting this phone, I would.
I mean I don't mind paying a reasonable price to the developers, and I'm sure many other users wouldn't mind either.
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Hello, and welcome to XDA! It would seem from these threads as if root is not available for your device yet: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-alpha/help/samsung-galaxy-alpha-sm-g850a-att-t2991674, http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-alpha/help/att-galaxy-alpha-g850a-variant-t3036036 . Normally, it is individual developers who work on rooting various devices, but it may be that your device is not sufficiently prominent to attract the attention of a developer.
Best wishes
The community was full of talented developers and modders that would put their all into it. Even when a update was in testing developers was still able to get us a copy so that we didn't have to wait for the carrier dragging their feet. We had guarantee root and unroot methods. People would answer questions when asked. Threads would always got comments no matter the topic. I don't know what happened to this great community. Almost seem like people don't care to much anymore. I come here almost every day and it's no new activity. Could it be this device or did xda-developers really change?
It's this device. Unless we get a bootloader unlock, you'll see the same activity pretty much every single day. If you check out the Exynos version of this device, activity is splendid and dev support is pretty well. Many of us knew that this device would stay locked, and you as well should have known before purchasing this device.
xWolf is 99% right.
Our devices are locked down, not a lot you can do when the bootloader is encrypted. The old days of leaked keys and hacked bootloader's are pretty much over.
The other 1% is the communities attitude. We have people running full stock down talking people who want to root. We have people who don't read and flash things that were never meant for their device. Then there are the people who attack developers for not doing things how they want... that's just in the T-Mobile S7 edge forums.
I have multiple phones. Some my daily driver like the s7 are mostly stock running the U firmware, but my G3 is still being developed I have Nougat on my G3... my S4 is still developed, and my s6 is slow but there are a few dedicated folks doing stuff. I have been part of XDA for about a decade soft and hard bricked more than a few phones working with devs to test things and the last few years the community has been flooded with people who don't deserve the time and effort these devs put into their work.
Sorry rant over...
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problem is things like samsung pay which are awesome. As we switch to a smartphone taking over PC's for standard users development like this will die. I miss the old days too. I just wish I could overclock my cpu/gpu on my S7 and still have samsung pay. Not having to carry my wallet is nice.
This isn't specific to the T-Mo forums, unfortunately. Though there does seem to be more virtual foot-traffic in the AT&T realm (I'm an AT&T user), it essentially amounts to the same level of traction.
I concur with what others have said, and honestly - I don't care about root at this point. Phones do most everything that I want (custom launcher, etc), but the one thing that drives me insane is the lack of ability to do a nandroid backup. I cannot stand that - after all this time on Android - Google has not made this a possibility without root. Light users don't and won't care, but then again they aren't on XDA in the first place. Those of us that are want to be able to backup things in a "snapshot" type of way, so we don't have to start from scratch. Helium, and similar apps only go so far (not nearly far enough, IMO) to band-aid this.
This phone isn't geared toward the "XDA user" in the first place. 99.9% of people who use this device have no idea what a nandroid is and how it benefits them. And honestly, on a stock device, I also fail to see the utility of snapshot backups. I get why they exist but how often does the casual user wipe their device to make it worthwhile? Also, space is still pretty limited on mobile devices. Google will never bring this functionality to Android, but I would not complain if they had a backup utility similar to Apple's iTunes, which restores everything from a computer. That actually makes sense, and I am surprised that Google has not made something similar.
That being said, there are plenty of excellent devices that offer you what you want. Everything is a trade-off.
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The community was full of talented developers and modders that would put their all into it. Even when a update was in testing developers was still able to get us a copy so that we didn't have to wait for the carrier dragging their feet. We had guarantee root and unroot methods. People would answer questions when asked. Threads would always got comments no matter the topic. I don't know what happened to this great community. Almost seem like people don't care to much anymore. I come here almost every day and it's no new activity. Could it be this device or did xda-developers really change?
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Come to the V20. You have to follow the hardware to play you cant go with what has the best hardware all the time.