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I know the phone is barely released, but what is the likelihood of seeing a root tool and a base AOSP Android L rom when it releases? In general do Huawei phones even see developer support on XDA or any other forums?
I really want the Mate 7, but only if i'll be able to get vanilla Android L running on it in the near future. I searched the Huawei forums and it doesn't look very promising. I was wondering since this is a pretty big departure from what Huawei usually releases, if it changes anything.
I am very tempted to get this device too, but only if it can be tinkered with.
I would love to get this running stock android L
bboylito said:
I know the phone is barely released, but what is the likelihood of seeing a root tool and a base AOSP Android L rom when it releases? In general do Huawei phones even see developer support on XDA or any other forums?
I really want the Mate 7, but only if i'll be able to get vanilla Android L running on it in the near future. I searched the Huawei forums and it doesn't look very promising. I was wondering since this is a pretty big departure from what Huawei usually releases, if it changes anything.
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Usually when there is very little developer interest in a device we have end up getting a bounty going. I started a bounty for root for the Galaxy Mega last year and it ended up working.
Techngro said:
Usually when there is very little developer interest in a device we have end up getting a bounty going. I started a bounty for root for the Galaxy Mega last year and it ended up working.
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Root and recovery is out.
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1pJ2qx3l password is fuwq
To prep phone : http://cn.club.vmall.com/thread-1241100-1-1.html do this. Google translate the page.
viola root. Caveat is only from a PC... no mac support. Cannot personally verify, but reading comments translated in multiple threads seems successful. Will have to manually save and update phone to upgrade as updates come out via this method. Wish it were a simple as other chinese roms, like miui or flyme.
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Root and recovery is out.
http://pan.baidu.com/s/1pJ2qx3l password is fuwq
To prep phone : http://cn.club.vmall.com/thread-1241100-1-1.html do this. Google translate the page.
viola root. Caveat is only from a PC... no mac support. Cannot personally verify, but reading comments translated in multiple threads seems successful. Will have to manually save and update phone to upgrade as updates come out via this method. Wish it were a simple as other chinese roms, like miui or flyme.
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So does this mean you can have stock android? Sorry Im new to android. Looking at making this my first device.
10pmStalker said:
So does this mean you can have stock android? Sorry Im new to android. Looking at making this my first device.
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Yes, technically that means you can install various ROMs or recoveries on your device, but you'll have to wait until someone actually makes some for the device. Judging by the other Huawei devices on XDA, there doesn't seem like there will be very much development for this device either. That's why I suggested a bounty. I've had Android phones where there was not much development (T-Mobile Galaxy Note, Moto Cliq). It sucked watching other devices get all the attention. Now the AM7 may be just popular enough to get some attention from devs, but ultimately, I am preparing myself for the possibility that development for the AM7 will be very slow, just so I won't be dissapointed.
But I may be wrong.
How do bounty's work? Paypal? How do you know if the Dev is even qualified or going to complete the work once the bounty is paid? I'd be willing to throw in a few bucks.
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How do bounty's work? Paypal? How do you know if the Dev is even qualified or going to complete the work once the bounty is paid? I'd be willing to throw in a few bucks.
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The person who creates the bounty sets the goal (root, recovery, ROM, AOSP, etc.) that will satisfy the bounty. People pledge an amount of their choosing. Once the goal is completed and verified (by making it available to test), then the money is collected via Paypal and given to the first person to reach the goal.
Here's a good example of what a bounty thread looks like: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2728051
(Don't expect our bounty to get that expensive lol.)
Hopefully if root works and we can get the device tree sorted then its all good. Be interesting to see if kernel sources will be released
if there is, is it similar to the zte elite?
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if there is, is it similar to the zte elite?
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Do a google search for:
"How to root (your model number)"
If that doesn't find anything then there isn't a known rooting method for your device.
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We've been able to aquire temp with previous versions of kingroot and iroot but the device just reboots a couple minutes afterwards and looses root. Unable to access bootloader through ADB as well. Cant seem to get much to work... ADB oem unlock doesn't work either and if you try ADB reboot bootloader it just does a normal restart.
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We've been able to aquire temp with previous versions of kingroot and iroot but the device just reboots a couple minutes afterwards and looses root. Unable to access bootloader through ADB as well. Cant seem to get much to work... ADB oem unlock doesn't work either and if you try ADB reboot bootloader it just does a normal restart.
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If it's like other ZTE devices that I've encountered then the reason you can't do anything with adb and bootloader is because fastboot/flash mode was removed from the device by your carrier. That's why I suggest that root users avoid using ZTE's crappy devices. Stop getting cheap android devices thinking that you'll find custom support for it. Most of the time the cheap mid-low end devices don't get custom development and if they do get custom development it isn't much at all. In general, ZTE devices aren't worth messing with.
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If it's like other ZTE devices that I've encountered then the reason you can't do anything with adb and bootloader is because fastboot/flash mode was removed from the device by your carrier. That's why I suggest that root users avoid using ZTE's crappy devices. Stop getting cheap android devices thinking that you'll find custom support for it. Most of the time the cheap mid-low end devices don't get custom development and if they do get custom development it isn't much at all. In general, ZTE devices aren't worth messing with.
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I didnt think i'd encounter that with boost mobile honestly
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I didnt think i'd encounter that with boost mobile honestly
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Even if they didn't remove it, there'd probably still wouldn't be any development for it, it's just not the kind of device that developers are interested in. You'd probably have root and that's it, no TWRP or ROMs.
If that's the kind of thing you're interested in, then you need to get a more popularly used brand and model of device. It doesn't have to be a flagship device but pretty close, there are plenty of reasonably priced devices that have plenty of development, just gotta research a device before you get it to see what is available for it before you get it, or get a device that is certainly going to be of interest to developers.
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The elite get temp root with the PC kingo root method
Rooting Apps
loax555 said:
if there is, is it similar to the zte elite?
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Try using apps to root your phone. If it fails , move on to other methods. But, U'll achieve success by the apps if u r lucky.some apps to try are:
Kingo root
Kingroot
Framaroot
Try these apps.
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Even if they didn't remove it, there'd probably still wouldn't be any development for it, it's just not the kind of device that developers are interested in. You'd probably have root and that's it, no TWRP or ROMs.
If that's the kind of thing you're interested in, then you need to get a more popularly used brand and model of device. It doesn't have to be a flagship device but pretty close, there are plenty of reasonably priced devices that have plenty of development, just gotta research a device before you get it to see what is available for it before you get it, or get a device that is certainly going to be of interest to developers.
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u must be smokin cuz my zte z970 had tons of support including blisspop twrp and lots of other stuff
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currently im downloading android 6.0.1 for my zte zmax and it started out factory with android 4.4.2
juggalo19076 said:
u must be smokin cuz my zte z970 had tons of support including blisspop twrp and lots of other stuff
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I've had low end devices that "just happened" to have development of all kinds also. This does not mean that all of that development was done by "real" developers, most ROMS are ports or modifications of work that the "real" developers do. Most are created by members that own the device and know or learn just enough to squeeze out a port, fork or kang of someone else's work.
But that isn't the point, the point is that low end devices aren't "typically" chosen by developers, that's an indisputable fact.
If you'll take a look around, you'll see that there are considerably more higher end brands and models supported than the low-mid range devices. Usually, the low end devices that do get development are devices that someone owned and couldn't find any ROMS for so they took it on themselves to learn just so they could update their device, these are not what I'm calling "real" developers, the real developers are the ones that did the work that provided the pieces used by those learning.
Those that provide support from start to finish in every aspect of the coding involved are the developers I'm talking about, without them, no device gets support. They are not very likely to choose these types of devices.
I've spent enough time in the noob threads helping members with these kinds of devices, in the grand scheme, they usually don't have any options. A lot of them get frustrated with not finding development for their exact model and flash something from a similar device "hoping" it will work. It usually doesn't and it's guys like me that have to help them straighten out their mess, trust me, what I say about low-mid devices is very valid, the thousands I've been involved in helping find what they need is more than enough proof.
And I said "in general" ZTE isn't worth it. Just because you mention one ZTE model that had support doesn't take away from that statement. I can't count how many ZTE devices I've seen bricked because the device wasn't supported and the users still tried flashing it.
I can't say the same for Samsung, Nexus, HTC or One Plus, just to name a few. Get the picture?
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I've had low end devices that "just happened" to have development of all kinds also. This does not mean that all of that development was done by "real" developers, most ROMS are ports or modifications of work that the "real" developers do. Most are created by members that own the device and know or learn just enough to squeeze out a port, fork or kang of someone else's work.
But that isn't the point, the point is that low end devices aren't "typically" chosen by developers, that's an indisputable fact.
If you'll take a look around, you'll see that there are considerably more higher end brands and models supported than the low-mid range devices. Usually, the low end devices that do get development are devices that someone owned and couldn't find any ROMS for so they took it on themselves to learn just so they could update their device, these are not what I'm calling "real" developers, the real developers are the ones that did the work that provided the pieces used by those learning.
Those that provide support from start to finish in every aspect of the coding involved are the developers I'm talking about, without them, no device gets support. They are not very likely to choose these types of devices.
I've spent enough time in the noob threads helping members with these kinds of devices, in the grand scheme, they usually don't have any options. A lot of them get frustrated with not finding development for their exact model and flash something from a similar device "hoping" it will work. It usually doesn't and it's guys like me that have to help them straighten out their mess, trust me, what I say about low-mid devices is very valid, the thousands I've been involved in helping find what they need is more than enough proof.
And I said "in general" ZTE isn't worth it. Just because you mention one ZTE model that had support doesn't take away from that statement. I can't count how many ZTE devices I've seen bricked because the device wasn't supported and the users still tried flashing it.
I can't say the same for Samsung, Nexus, HTC or One Plus, just to name a few. Get the picture?
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Not really I know of plenty of ZTE models that get plenty of support and I know of plenty of Samsung devices that brick due to the issues that you just stated Same with Sony etc but since you are so smart why don't u try to figure out how to root the ZTE 9519 then I will believe all this that you say about how you are so smart when it comes to all this until then I think your just spouting bs
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Not really I know of plenty of ZTE models that get plenty of support and I know of plenty of Samsung devices that brick due to the issues that you just stated Same with Sony etc but since you are so smart why don't u try to figure out how to root the ZTE 9519 then I will believe all this that you say about how you are so smart when it comes to all this until then I think your just spouting bs
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Flagship devices get the lions share of development, yes, SOME of the low-mid devices get support, I never said they didn't get support at all across the board. I said that "most"(as in 75-80%) of them don't(leaving only 20-25% of the low end getting support), including the low end Samsung and others. But when you look at the higher end and flagships, it's more like 90-95% of them do get support, leaving only 5-10% of them not getting support. Do you see the gap? Statistically, the odds of getting support are against you with low-mid devices but there the few exceptions, it just depends on exactly which low end device. That's what I meant in my first reply when I said "research the devices before you buy them to see if they have support" or buy higher end flagship devices, the ones that are almost certain to get support. It's just a fact dude. Most serious developers are too hardcore into hardware and software to settle for something on the low-mid range and they pretty much only develop for the devices they own or have on hand, that is why the chances of low-mid devices getting support are "on the whole" not nearly as likely as the more popular devices.
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Root
Root will first require stock rom install.
juggalo19076 said:
Not really I know of plenty of ZTE models that get plenty of support and I know of plenty of Samsung devices that brick due to the issues that you just stated Same with Sony etc but since you are so smart why don't u try to figure out how to root the ZTE 9519 then I will believe all this that you say about how you are so smart when it comes to all this until then I think your just spouting bs
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By the way. Don't you know that if you are going to request that someone figure how to root or develop a device then it usually requires donating one of the devices to whoever you make the request to? You think I'm going to waste my hard earned money buying one of these pieces of crap just to teach you something? No thanks.
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the device is rooted here with kingroot perm warp 7 root method
madvane20 said:
the device is rooted here with kingroot perm warp 7 root method
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Not working
Droidriven said:
By the way. Don't you know that if you are going to request that someone figure how to root or develop a device then it usually requires donating one of the devices to whoever you make the request to? You think I'm going to waste my hard earned money buying one of these pieces of crap just to teach you something? No thanks.
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I dont see u with root so whats that say?
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Droidriven said:
By the way. Don't you know that if you are going to request that someone figure how to root or develop a device then it usually requires donating one of the devices to whoever you make the request to? You think I'm going to waste my hard earned money buying one of these pieces of crap just to teach you something? No thanks.
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Also just so u know i did get perm root for this phone but sold it long time ago
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I dont see u with root so whats that say?
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Also just so u know i did get perm root for this phone but sold it long time ago
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Any body figure out root for you warp 6?
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Any body figure out root for you warp 6?
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If u mean warp 7 yes its been done i got root from the same version of kingroot i used for my zte zmax z970 as funny as that is that was over a year ago tho
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I dont see u with root so whats that say?
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Also just so u know i did get perm root for this phone but sold it long time ago
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I was saying that it is considered rude to come here and post a question that basically asks someone else to figure out something "for you" instead of asking someone to "help you" figure it out, or to ask a question suggesting that someone do the work for you.
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Hi all,
I am considering changing my HTC one m9 and I need your advice on the best phones out there that are known for easy root/ unlock bootloader/ custom recovery and active custom rom community.
I am on At&t and I always buy my phones directly from the manufacturer or factory unlocked from amazon or ebay....
please let me know your opinion and if you have a suggestion where to buy from
Thanks
fidzi_1981 said:
Hi all,
I am considering changing my HTC one m9 and I need your advice on the best phones out there that are known for easy root/ unlock bootloader/ custom recovery and active custom rom community.
I am on At&t and I always buy my phones directly from the manufacturer or factory unlocked from amazon or ebay....
please let me know your opinion and if you have a suggestion where to buy from
Thanks
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Pixel devices and OnePlus devices are your best options.
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Droidriven said:
Pixel devices and OnePlus devices are your best options.
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Thanks!! What about HTC 10 and ZTE Axon 7? are they not root-able or their bootloaders are not unlockable?
fidzi_1981 said:
Thanks!! What about HTC 10 and ZTE Axon 7? are they not root-able or their bootloaders are not unlockable?
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HTC would be worth it, never been impressed with ZTE devices though, absolutely none of them regardless of price or the hardware it comes with.
Everyone I know with a ZTE device either had one that didn't come with fastboot and had locked bootloader or they had one that could be unlocked and has a few custom ROMs available but also had trouble if things went wrong because the stock firmware wasn't available for download to fix it. Unreliable manufacturer support is a big deal for me. I like knowing the things to fix it are available, if they aren't, I don't buy the device.
And whether bootloader is locked or not has more to do with your model number or carrier than it does the device itself. In other words, for example, you can have a Verizon S6 with locked bootloader and a T-Mobile S6 that doesn't have locked bootloader.
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Droidriven said:
HTC would be worth it, never been impressed with ZTE devices though, absolutely none of them regardless of price or the hardware it comes with.
Everyone I know with a ZTE device either had one that didn't come with fastboot and had locked bootloader or they had one that could be unlocked and has a few custom ROMs available but also had trouble if things went wrong because the stock firmware wasn't available for download to fix it. Unreliable manufacturer support is a big deal for me. I like knowing the things to fix it are available, if they aren't, I don't buy the device.
And whether bootloader is locked or not has more to do with your model number or carrier than it does the device itself. In other words, for example, you can have a Verizon S6 with locked bootloader and a T-Mobile S6 that doesn't have locked bootloader.
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Thanks for the explanation. You are right about the manufacturer support regarding the ZTE. I could not find much support as the others.
I buy my devices directly from the manufacturer.
Droidriven said:
Pixel devices and OnePlus devices are your best options.
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Flagships shouldnt be considered as the "best" or" mainstream" option. THese things cost like 500+ dollars.
Its like saying the best cars for Tuning are Lamborghinis and Ferraris. Really? And if this is true for android phones, it really shows how fcked up the indsutry is.
The majority of people use Midrangers and budget phones. Budget <= 200 dollars
Midrange <= 400
Flagship > 400
shadowcore said:
Flagships shouldnt be considered as the "best" or" mainstream" option. THese things cost like 500+ dollars.
Its like saying the best cars for Tuning are Lamborghinis and Ferraris. Really? And if this is true for android phones, it really shows how fcked up the indsutry is.
The majority of people use Midrangers and budget phones. Budget <= 200 dollars
Midrange <= 400
Flagship > 400
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The question was:
"What devices are the best option for ROOT/ UNLOCK BOOTLOADER/ROMS?"
The answer is:
Google devices
It might not agree with what you want it to be, but it's still the correct answer because Google devices and flagship devices are usually the FIRST devices to have root and custom development because these are the kinds of devices that developers own and these developers are the majority of the people that create the root exploits, custom recoveries and ROMs that everyone else uses, even the root exploits, custom recoveries and ROMs that low-mid range devices get are based off of the work done by the developers that own the flagship devices. These developers don't own or use low-mid devices, that's why there isn't much available for these limited devices, because no real developers own them, the low-mid devices that do get custom development are only because someone used another developers work from another device to customize that device.
Best option for root and custom development has nothing at all to do with the price of the device and everything to do with the device itself.
Is it me or is xda latly dying bit by bit?
Its like devs moved on to a new forum or something
Or did rooting of phones harder?
Lately not many custom roms either
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Is it me or is xda latly dying bit by bit? Its like devs moved on to a new forum or something. Or did rooting of phones harder? Lately not many custom roms either
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Wesley_NL said:
Is it me or is xda latly dying bit by bit?
Its like devs moved on to a new forum or something
Or did rooting of phones harder?
Lately not many custom roms either
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We are in an age where most of the developers live in areas where more and more devices have locked bootloaders and/or patched kernels that prevent most of the known methods from being useable on those devices. Some of these developers are on contracts with their mobile carrier which limits the new devices available to them as "free" upgrades from their carrier and most aren't going through the trouble of buying a device from another source to activate on their network. This limits the amount of development because they usually only develop for the devices they own.
Then you factor in that the various device communities here are growing which means we have more user/members complaining and demanding cool stuff for their devices and that leads to the developers being less likely to share their work just to avoid the hassle from whining members.
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We are in an age where most of the developers live in areas where more and more devices have locked bootloaders and/or patched kernels that prevent most of the known methods from being useable on those devices. Some of these developers are on contracts with their mobile carrier which limits the new devices available to them as "free" upgrades from their carrier and most aren't going through the trouble of buying a device from another source to activate on their network. This limits the amount of development because they usually only develop for the devices they own.
Then you factor in that the various device communities here are growing which means we have more user/members complaining and demanding cool stuff for their devices and that leads to the developers being less likely to share their work just to avoid the hassle from whining members.
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I see well if i could dev i would,
even if ask allot,
but i try to help with knowledge i have,
i thought devs moved over to a new forum,
thats why i asked ,
because i keep an eye out what my next device will be since i want to stay rooted so i can do more with my device
A basic rom sucks specialy bloated once
Wesley_NL said:
I see well if i could dev i would,
even if ask allot,
but i try to help with knowledge i have,
i thought devs moved over to a new forum,
thats why i asked ,
because i keep an eye out what my next device will be since i want to stay rooted so i can do more with my device
A basic rom sucks specialy bloated once
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I feel the same way about development lately. I was just explaining a couple of factors that have influenced the situation.
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I feel the same way about development lately. I was just explaining a couple of factors that have influenced the situation.
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I understand, but i thought it was only samsung where develop was dead but now that i scrolled for my nect device i noticed it was fairly quiet on xda
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I understand, but i thought it was only samsung where develop was dead but now that i scrolled for my nect device i noticed it was fairly quiet on xda
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Well...for some reason, Samsung and Verizon devices have, in the past, been where a large part of the development has been done. These are the ones that are mostly locked down, even the Verizon Pixel is locked when all the other Pixel devices aren't. Also, the newer android versions are getting more and more difficult to root. This is expected because the OEMs are constantly at work trying to find ways to prevent altering the devices, they don't consider us being the owners of the devices or software, we only pay for the privilege to "use" the devices and software.
There are plenty of other devices that are still supported and will be supported in the future
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Well...for some reason, Samsung and Verizon devices have, in the past, been where a large part of the development has been done. These are the ones that are mostly locked down, even the Verizon Pixel is locked when all the other Pixel devices aren't. Also, the newer android versions are getting more and more difficult to root. This is expected because the OEMs are constantly at work trying to find ways to prevent altering the devices, they don't consider us being the owners of the devices or software, we only pay for the privilege to "use" the devices and software.
There are plenty of other devices that are still supported and will be supported in the future
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I figured as much specialy at samsungs, someday we will be at ios locks , no bt sharing , no usb otg, headphone jack removed to prevent hack via that way,
Its just sad , we already pay so much for our devices so why not give people the freedom to root or not,
its not like everyone root, its just a small amount maby 10% since most use iphones anyway,
chinese device will most likely stay unlocked i hope ,
the once like one plus, xaomi mi, and so , tbh i like to have vanilla as much as possible not 90% bloat apps with same purpose like samsung have sucks, only drain batt and use space and recourses,
I was aiming for one plus 5 but still not what i wanted, samsung still is closest except it's rom, i like to stay led screen as one of my personal features since i watch alot anime on the go, adaway/adblock is my main consern i hate those adds in apps and those popup adds, further a good touchwiz like the 6x6 with settings , although it don't work for me anymore so swapped to nova but nova is not realy like i want it to be , it was nice in the s3 times, sound mods that dont hurt my ears like dolby atmos and viper4android also one of the things i want to keep using , and root is a good thing to have specialy for account swap and reroll in games,
Tbh i liked nokia n900 with maemo/meego and its stereo build in speakers for when i don't wan't to use headphones, and its lovely psychal keyboard
Samsung is good for its nice devices and nearly bezzeless screen , if compare to a sony Atleast
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I figured as much specialy at samsungs, someday we will be at ios locks , no bt sharing , no usb otg, headphone jack removed to prevent hack via that way,
Its just sad , we already pay so much for our devices so why not give people the freedom to root or not,
its not like everyone root, its just a small amount maby 10% since most use iphones anyway,
chinese device will most likely stay unlocked i hope ,
the once like one plus, xaomi mi, and so , tbh i like to have vanilla as much as possible not 90% bloat apps with same purpose like samsung have sucks, only drain batt and use space and recourses,
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This is all opinion based. But reasonable opinions.
The Devs here at XDA arnt disappearing or doing any less developing for the majority. Instead the number of devices and different variants of those devices are growing so rapidly, that it lessens the probability of you obtaining a device that a Dev feels passionate about, and puts time into developing.
Also, technology advances rapidly. A mod that changes your status bar can quickly be abandoned due to capability issues in the next android version.
Dev's dont recieve a lot of monetary gain, or proper thanks or appreciation for doing what they do. Android is a very complex machine. Multiple layers, multiple languages, and unique in that design. Very complex, with scripts that have calls for this, and calls for that, which has to be constructed correctly to pull from any section, under any circumstance.
New android releases have ability to duplicate and sometimes enhance, with the combination of a launcher, those features of a custom rom. Which causes less people to have reason to need or want a custom rom.
The cell phone companies would probably love to give customers the freedom of unlocking boot loaders and rooting phones with ease. Think about it. Samsung has a year warranty on cell phones.. you root and you have now voided that warranty. They no longer fix your device for free. Also, if they helped you easily achieve root on your device then they gave you, the customer, what you wanted, without risk of being responsible and in the same token, made you a happy customer. Its the carrier companies you should be angry with. They are the ones who puts money into Samsungs pockets. I mean have you ever purchased a device directly from Samsung? Or did you obtain it through a carrier company? Almost all individuals originally get cell phones from carrier companies. That being said - if verizon puts a clause into the contract that promises Samsung they will buy so many devices for so many years, only if they will increase security and difficulty of getting super user access, which will decrease the chances of a average customer removing that device from Verizons carrier lock. Samsung isnt going to decline a major carrier. Its not only verizon. Its most carriers. How do you think they profit from selling a 200$ phone for 20$?
Now heres the good things happening in the cell phone world..
Its now mandated that all US carriers provide free unlocking, from the network carrier lock, on all GSM devices sold after a certain date. Granted you meet all the stipulations they require. So now greater freedom of phones, or at least a law, made by the US government helping customers fight big companies. When we all know, its not too often that happens.
Anyone can root any device. As long as you know the languages android is designed in. Its all open sourced. You can compile and build an exact replica of your phone, except a few parts. The problem is in the difficulty of doing that. The complexity slows progression of released one click roots, or flashable roots.. those were programmed by people or teams who put in hard work to simplify the process to increase the chances of average people to successfully root.. those people are the Devs your talking about vanishing..
Another big thing ive heard about. The new android 8.0 Oreo has made the process of building custom roms, more simplified. Basically making the construction of one phone, be the same construction of multiple devices and variants, making roms free from being device specific. Increasing the probability of you owning a device with the same build as a Dev thats releasing a rom. Reversing what i said at the start of this reply. This would also cut down on the need to port, and decrease rom bugs like audio and wifi or volte. Thats what my understanding of it is. If im incorrect about this please someone explain it better, in lamans terms..
All in all, I agree with your statement that less and less rom development is happening. But, I feel like that is about to change directions. Not headed back to the way it was, but a new path.. and im ready for it..
And try apex launcher. Gives you ability to hide apps even in the free version unlike nova.. pretty sleek and fast.. alot of customization.. that along with a pie app,which gives you almost like a "apps edge" feel.. i also heard about a way to change your quick tiles in newer android versions.. the only thing about that is, im not sure if they were talking about just changing the main tiles at the top or changing them altogether.. i hope altogether.. i never use smart view, or power saver.. instead id like to have pandora, xda labs, etc
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This is all opinion based. But reasonable opinions.
The Devs here at XDA arnt disappearing or doing any less developing for the majority. Instead the number of devices and different variants of those devices are growing so rapidly, that it lessens the probability of you obtaining a device that a Dev feels passionate about, and puts time into developing.
Also, technology advances rapidly. A mod that changes your status bar can quickly be abandoned due to capability issues in the next android version.
Dev's dont recieve a lot of monetary gain, or proper thanks or appreciation for doing what they do. Android is a very complex machine. Multiple layers, multiple languages, and unique in that design. Very complex, with scripts that have calls for this, and calls for that, which has to be constructed correctly to pull from any section, under any circumstance.
New android releases have ability to duplicate and sometimes enhance, with the combination of a launcher, those features of a custom rom. Which causes less people to have reason to need or want a custom rom.
The cell phone companies would probably love to give customers the freedom of unlocking boot loaders and rooting phones with ease. Think about it. Samsung has a year warranty on cell phones.. you root and you have now voided that warranty. They no longer fix your device for free. Also, if they helped you easily achieve root on your device then they gave you, the customer, what you wanted, without risk of being responsible and in the same token, made you a happy customer. Its the carrier companies you should be angry with. They are the ones who puts money into Samsungs pockets. I mean have you ever purchased a device directly from Samsung? Or did you obtain it through a carrier company? Almost all individuals originally get cell phones from carrier companies. That being said - if verizon puts a clause into the contract that promises Samsung they will buy so many devices for so many years, only if they will increase security and difficulty of getting super user access, which will decrease the chances of a average customer removing that device from Verizons carrier lock. Samsung isnt going to decline a major carrier. Its not only verizon. Its most carriers. How do you think they profit from selling a 200$ phone for 20$?
Now heres the good things happening in the cell phone world..
Its now mandated that all US carriers provide free unlocking, from the network carrier lock, on all GSM devices sold after a certain date. Granted you meet all the stipulations they require. So now greater freedom of phones, or at least a law, made by the US government helping customers fight big companies. When we all know, its not too often that happens.
Anyone can root any device. As long as you know the languages android is designed in. Its all open sourced. You can compile and build an exact replica of your phone, except a few parts. The problem is in the difficulty of doing that. The complexity slows progression of released one click roots, or flashable roots.. those were programmed by people or teams who put in hard work to simplify the process to increase the chances of average people to successfully root.. those people are the Devs your talking about vanishing..
Another big thing ive heard about. The new android 8.0 Oreo has made the process of building custom roms, more simplified. Basically making the construction of one phone, be the same construction of multiple devices and variants, making roms free from being device specific. Increasing the probability of you owning a device with the same build as a Dev thats releasing a rom. Reversing what i said at the start of this reply. This would also cut down on the need to port, and decrease rom bugs like audio and wifi or volte. Thats what my understanding of it is. If im incorrect about this please someone explain it better, in lamans terms..
All in all, I agree with your statement that less and less rom development is happening. But, I feel like that is about to change directions. Not headed back to the way it was, but a new path.. and im ready for it..
And try apex launcher. Gives you ability to hide apps even in the free version unlike nova.. pretty sleek and fast.. alot of customization.. that along with a pie app,which gives you almost like a "apps edge" feel.. i also heard about a way to change your quick tiles in newer android versions.. the only thing about that is, im not sure if they were talking about just changing the main tiles at the top or changing them altogether.. i hope altogether.. i never use smart view, or power saver.. instead id like to have pandora, xda labs, etc
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In the netherland samsung is 2 year waranty even if you root it, i asked samsung care when i fixed the camera, tbh i like the 6x6 mod with settings, i agree nova sucks lately , but i use nova sinxe s3 time when archidroid putted it in the rom and i have pro of nova , well im also ready to see what oreo is like , tbh i like custom roms as i told even if im not making big use of it but i want to stay custom + root for certain apps, also i am gonna see what real chinese brands gonna do with their devices i dont want to waste 1300 euro on a iphone or note8, unlike 99% of idiotic people that only get a device to show off and only to whatsapp and snapchat , also what is the next thing iphones is gonna steal? Nokias charl zies camera? , and that for a lowlife chinese product while a real chinese android is 10x beter,
But realy i look for a divice with atleast
Led screen arround 5.5"+
Nice smooth rom
Not a pre but srereo buildin speakers for if i don't want to wear a headphone
A micro sd card reader
No big bars like a sony more like s8 or mii mix
Good headphone amp
I think that kind im looking for,
Hello everyone. I decided to start this thread so we would have a new outlet to discuss root, not having it, and anything else that pertains to rooting the US Snapdragon variant (or any locked bootloader Snapdragon for that matter).
I for one do like root on Samsung devices. I feel that the services, logging, etc that Samsung puts on these phones is at best excessive, at worst, a violation of privacy. I use root o disable these services and anything that I don't believes warrants running in the background.
I also like to use host level ad blocking which can only be done with root (AFAIK).
So, the poll asks the question...
Do you want root?
Feel free to discuss anything root related in this thread.
Please be respectful of others opinions!
I personally love flashing custom roms on my android devices and that's the main reason I want root on this device. There was a thread before but it got locked, apparently we only have like 1 person working on root and that was then - don't know if that has since changed. I personally don't know much about the process and don't even know where to begin learning how to accomplish something like this. I offered help before but was quickly informed there was nothing I can do to "help" without vast amounts of this type of knowledge.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vq567mIA11gv4Ovp1RZo1rpCesrueqCr/view?usp=drivesdk
Can this be related to any type of exploit for root?
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vq567mIA11gv4Ovp1RZo1rpCesrueqCr/view?usp=drivesdk
Can this be related to any type of exploit for root?
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Can you make the document public?
Kcrick said:
I personally love flashing custom roms on my android devices and that's the main reason I want root on this device. There was a thread before but it got locked, apparently we only have like 1 person working on root and that was then - don't know if that has since changed. I personally don't know much about the process and don't even know where to begin learning how to accomplish something like this. I offered help before but was quickly informed there was nothing I can do to "help" without vast amounts of this type of knowledge.
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Yeah, I would really like to build a ROM. Its been couple years and I got that itch to optimize my phone.
Scott said:
Yeah, I would really like to build a ROM. Its been couple years and I got that itch to optimize my phone.
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Since your a recognized developer you just might be the person we need. If you have the time that is. I wasn't really into rooting this phone but now I have the itch too. Lol
Nope, the only reason I used to root on all my phones was to get rid of the ads. Now with apps available to do the same, I don't feel the need to root.
I want root for xposed and/or magisk.
Otherwise to disable packages I use adhell 3 (no root needed) as I don't want to trip Knox yet...
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I want root for xposed and/or magisk.
Otherwise to disable packages I use adhell 3 (no root needed) as I don't want to trip Knox yet...
Yes... I want to have control over the device. for privacy, customization, optimization, TWRP/Titanium backups, remove silly warnings, extend device life post mfg support, etc
Imagine buying a car and not being able to open up the hood........................................ total BS........
IndDoc said:
Nope, the only reason I used to root on all my phones was to get rid of the ads. Now with apps available to do the same, I don't feel the need to root.
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This is the main reason I want to root my phone, do you mind mentioning which apps you're using to block ads at the host file level?
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This is the main reason I want to root my phone, do you mind mentioning which apps you're using to block ads at the host file level?
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Adhell 3. Look it up on google, can't discuss it on xda.
lightninbug said:
Why not make a thread for people who want a million dollars too? Of course we all want root! However, I am no longer working on it, which now leaves ZERO Devs working on it. They/We have all left the device. It's looking rather bleek guys/gals.
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Hey Guy, please don't post nonsense in my thread. You have no clue who is working on what. You pretend like you some sort of developer and you know how to crack this system but when I asked you what you accomplished or even looked at you didn't really seam to have a clue. Also, someone working on root doesn't talk about it... They just do it.
All of your posts in that thread were atrocious. You are a very rude, ill mannered person that lacks any communication skills.
So please... Stop posting rude, unneeded comments in this thread!
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Hey Guy, please don't post nonsense in my thread. You have no clue who is working on what. You pretend like you some sort of developer and you know how to crack this system but when I asked you what you accomplished or even looked at you didn't really seam to have a clue. Also, someone working on root doesn't talk about it... They just do it.
All of your posts in that thread were atrocious. You are a very rude, ill mannered person that lacks any communication skills.
So please... Stop posting rude, unneeded comments in this thread!
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Just because I'm telling you want you don't want to hear, doesn't mean I'm being rude. Did I call you any names? No I did not. I have been EXTENSIVELY working on rootting our device. Me and several (14) others started in telegram about a week or two after the device was released. Over time people left for Exynos, gave up, or went for other devices, leaving it to just me. And now I have moved on.
I'm letting you know that there are NO KNOWN BIG Devs working on rooting the snapdragon S9+. Is there someone working on it silently, that isn't known to this community/others, or has no previous exploit releases? I can't speak for that. I can speak for myself and others who were working on it, we are on to other projects now.
We put well over 200+ hours into it. Again, there's no way to fully "write up" what we all tried....We did all the OBVIOUS, and MORE. I have more important things to do with my time, than to write you a report as to what we did. Be glad you got this much of an explanation. The root was that much of a concern to you you would have been in the boat (telegram chat) since the beginning. Good luck on root, and good luck finding any andvanced developers to work on it for you.
TLDR: Keep praying for "Joe Schmo" to release root for you guys. There are absolutely zero WELL KNOWN developers working on it. SORRY IF IT'S BLUNT AND NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.
And to OP.. Prove me wrong.
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Hello everyone. I decided to start this thread so we would have a new outlet to discuss root, not having it, and anything else that pertains to rooting the US Snapdragon variant (or any locked bootloader Snapdragon for that matter).
I for one do like root on Samsung devices. I feel that the services, logging, etc that Samsung puts on these phones is at best excessive, at worst, a violation of privacy. I use root o disable these services and anything that I don't believes warrants running in the background.
I also like to use host level ad blocking which can only be done with root (AFAIK).
So, the poll asks the question...
Do you want root?
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For Which devices US S9s.
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Son Rise said:
For Which devices US S9s.
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Any variant. Its just a discussion about root despite what some of the more rude people on XDA think. Its just a place to talk about it.
I use Samsung Pay as my primary means of payment on a daily basis so much that if it wasn't for needing a physical drivers licenses I would just leave my wallet at home at this point. If Root breaks Samsung Pay then it's not something I would want.
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I use Samsung Pay as my primary means of payment on a daily basis so much that if it wasn't for needing a physical drivers licenses I would just leave my wallet at home at this point. If Root breaks Samsung Pay then it's not something I would want.
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Thats a real good point! I feel the same way. I have been thinking alot about a digital D/L that would be stored on your phone. If that could happen, I would no longer need a wallet. I think all but one of my credit and debit cards are on Samsung Pay.
I do really love rooting most specially for blocking ads, since non root adblocker used VPN to omit ads which compare to root can be easily add via hosts file without additional software/task (which obviously draining additional battery). also my wifi tools can be run via root only. and wanted to do more and it is only possibe via rooted phone.
though there is a rooting method already in here but seems i cant keep up on that much besides I cant use any pc for now. is rooting like flashing zip file possible as what older devices can be easily did? or way more easier rooting method than currently in here is way much better.
thanks
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Root is a must! Phones these days are like computers and when I pay $$$ for a flagship phone, I expect I get "full control" over my device. Samsung Pay is "nice to have" but Viper for audio, Adaway, Titanium backup, TWRP are a must to enjoy my device to its full extent.