With the release of Pokemon Go (and no, this isn't a PoGo thread), people are going to seriously consider battery life as a a major consideration to their phones. One report (http://mashable.com/2016/07/07/pokemon-go-battery-life/#pnNwsOXQNkqJ) had the game burn through an Iphone 6s's battery in 3 hours playing "the game". That's from full to 0% in 3 hours. For comparison, Apple rates HD playback for this device is rated at 11 hours (http://www.apple.com/iphone-6s/specs/). This, along with my own observations of using my Nexus 6 with Google Cardboard at a family outing shows:
1. Applications like PoGo are going to cause a decreased lifespan in batteries that in as early as a few months, and will trigger an upswing in premature phone deaths just in time for Xmas 2016...
2. The capability of the phones are far surpassing the ability of the battery to keep up;
3. People are coming up with new ways to use the capabilities of phones, in ways they are not honestly designed for, and this will only get worse;
4. If the idea of a phone lasting two years is going to hold up (as many are purchased on a two year model), battery capacity needs to become a bigger focus than "make it thin".
Additionally, I suspect that battery death is one of the major drivers of new phone adoption. Yes, the ability to recharge a phone faster is great, but the more cycles you put on the phone, the faster the battery degrades. If you can't dribble charge your phone overnight and have a full day's use out of it on a HEAVY day, then the battery isn't correctly sized. More to the point, if a phone can't go for TWO days or more with normal use, it isn't a good choice. I personally believe that major phone manufacturers are designing their systems with the intention that the battery will become a factor triggering the replacement of phones at this point, which is why there are so few phones with replaceable batteries now. Applications like Pokemon Go will simply trigger people to realize just how imbalanced the battery vs. capability spread has become, and may start asking for something different.
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Why people buy phones with disgustingly crap batteries? Because manufacturers make them and people just accept it?
I am sick of hearing about phones weights differences in few grams, (our phone is thinner by 1 mm!!! -how sad) , about screens quality, about processors speeds, etc, and on.. Just because this is where all attention is?
What is use of it all if then users have to carry chargers wherever they go, they have to disable network modes, tweak performance, buy and run monitoring softwear, a lots of hassle JUST BECAUSE those manufacturers are jerks! Like there is problem to give proper large battery option to chose and we will see how market reacts?
I got phone from China with larger battery than you can get on any European market and I am finally happy, I don't worry about anything anymore.
On purpose I set everything to look nice, bright, run fast and never worry about any tweaks unless I suspect unhappiness from performance being somehow compromised, I do play games, I do use internet, I do stream and do other things without fear of not having more power for a call I may need to make. At end of day I have still 50% which will last next day easily.
BATTERY IS CRUCIAL PART OF THE PHONE. MUST NOT BE REDUCED IN PERFORMANCE IN ANY WAY (reducing size).
This is why we have smartphones to do many things quickly at any time instead switch all those cool features off, like everyday life was emergency situation for saving battery -ON DAILY BASIS?
P.S. some brands thinks I will carry second battery with me like I have a pocket and good will to open my phone and swap batteries??? really??? or taking ugly external USB-battery, swinging on cable while I am using my phone or looking ugly like second half of nadset to damage my USB socket with a time and have a patience to keep it charged -like a second device?
How ridiculous...
No matter how big batteries are, they will ALWAYS fall short for some people. There is no way around it.
The stock batteries in most phones are good enough for average users. You're not one and that's okay - but that's why there are choices.
The SG3 stock battery lasts me the day about 6/7 times - I only feel pinched the day I have a large break and might want to watch video or play games for an extended period of time.
I had options. I could have gotten an extended battery - no swapping, just bigger phone just like you clamp to want. This is available without having to get a phone that may not have good developer support.
You deride external chargers and spares, but you need to chill and realise that different people have different needs and that's why choice is good.
I like having spares. Opening my phone up and changing takes only seconds and I can them in my pocket or bag and I can charge a battery while using a different one. I hardly ever plug the phone itself in any more.
External chargers can power multiple devices and have HUGE capacities compared to even very large extended batteries.
There are so many choices at I don't tnk this is a big/any issue. No battery will be big enough for everyone unless perhaps the technology is completely revolutionised beyond what it is capable of today.
So yeah. Battery issue is not an issue.
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Putting in larger batteries makes the phone in turn bigger and heavier.
That's why they probably limit it as people prefer thinner and lighter phones!
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IT'S WHAT YOU MAKE OUT OF IT!
I'm satisfied with the battery life of my s3. I take it for granted that i need to use a charger if i continouisly use it. I wouldn't want my device to be even bigger, left alone to weigh anymore than it does already....
Frankly, if the average (read: majority) user had such a problem with battery life more companies would invest a lot more on battery research.
I could've used a more battery friendly ROM on my phone and have it last days on my 1700mAh battery, but I don't bother because at the end of most days I'm left with something above 20%.
I have three spares I never use plus the three year old stock battery, and I've not really ever needed them.
I'm also not really a big fan of "perfection", which for example is why I'm not an iOS user.
Perfection is synonymous with boring in the tech world, and battery constraints actually demands something from the phone designers.
That demand holds more value than most can imagine.
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I carry no bag
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mostly phones are quite light and 10-20g extra wouldn't be a noticeable difference. not importantly noticeable.
the only mobile phone I had in my life with no battery disappointments was nokia 15 years ago. all phones since they support 3g, failed me.
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New technology has higher power requirements. It's not fair to compare phones today to one's from 15 years ago - I mean, dude, back then it's not like you were doing anything other than calls on that thing - certainly no streaming or anything.
I only have a bag on school days - but I have pockets. And really, it's not about either of us - it's about choices and everyone else. Plenty of people Do have bags or briefcases or something every day. You can't just think of your own habits.
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My phone has 1.5W (pick) consumption with 3" screen
I just bought a 58WH portable power http://www.mrbattery.com.tw/product_detail.php?pid=MBP0001023
It's able to let my brightness100% and CPU stick on 1.6GHz for 3 days and nights!
I own a HTC Desire hd previously. That phone battery life was totally horrible. I had to carry a portable charger everywhere. In comparison, s3's battery life is beyond excellent. (Note: I disabled most of the power drawing apps/functions.)
With that being said, having a large capacity battery is one of the main thing I look out for when buying a phone.
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We're kind of at the end of the rope concerning battery capacity. There are just no easy ways to store a lot of energy in a small place. If we were able to build batteries with higher capacities in reasonable formats, we would already have them. Every new advance in battery technology only adds a small percentage of capacity or lengthens its usable service life somewhat.
But I do agree that the phones are now at a comfortable size, battery life should not be sacrificed for thinner phones. I bought the extended battery for my S II, it only makes the phone a 3 mm thicker, but that does add 20% of battery life. IMO they should have released the phone like that, but then they would have not been able to market it as the thinnest phone.
I'm considering buying a phone with a non-replaceable battery. Although I am not worried about whether my phone will keep a charge all day, I am worried about whether the battery will stop holding a charge before I'm ready to replace the whole phone. My current phone (Galaxy S2) is two years old, but I've had to get a new battery twice (and so has my wife, so I don't think it's a fluke). I'd like to keep my new phone at least that long, but I'm worried about the battery being usable for more than a year or 18 months.
From the searching I did, I've noticed that most people around here don't seem very concerned about whether the battery is replaceable. I'm just wondering if that's because they are buying new phones more frequently or because the batteries don't go bad as quickly as I've been led to believe.
What is the typical *total* lifetime of a battery (not just between charges
My android phone battery can usually use 1-2 years. No matter what I use it, it also can last use about use. May be the most important that I am lucky dog and bought the high quality phones.
Lithium Ion battery technology, I am pretty sure most people on this forum have a love/hate relationship with it. However, I am hoping that some more knowledgable members of this forum would be able to assist me on this topic.
My current phone is an htc one m7 which was purchased new in September of 2013 (roughly a year and a half old). As of recently I have noticed major drops in battery percentages while the phone is discharging, something very visible on lollipops battery graph. I chalked this up to the death of the cell in my phones battery and their inability to hold the charge as they once did. To be sure of this I recalibrated my phones battery and while this did not improve battery life it has at least made the battery % indicator more reliable.
From what I have read lithium ion has about 500 charge cycles or normally 2 years or so of cell phone use. Obviously my phone seems to fit on the lower end of that median unfortunately. I was already contemplating updating to the new m9 being released this coming March however it seems I am more being forced to upgrade now rather than it being optional. This now leads me to my question:
With the newer generations of phones featuring bigger batteries and more power efficient components will this improve the overall longevity of cell phone batteries or will they still be limited to the 2 year (or in my case less than 2 year) lifespan? This is a major concern for my phone purchase in the coming weeks as I dont want to be in the same perdicement again. As much as I love HTC and have replaced a couple iphone batteries in my day HTC phones are notoriously horrible to take apart and I may opt against them for my new purchase even though Im a raving fan of what I have seen from the m9 leaks so far. Any help with my question or general battery technology knowledge would be of great assistance!
Also I forgot to mention my phone currently gets about 6hrs to 6.5hrs of usage on a charge. Running the newest lollipop liquidsmooth and a custom kernel. Cpu is undervolted and running smartassv2 and noop, furthermore I keep brightness as low as possible and have things such as bluetooth and nfc off. Please note 6 to 6.5hrs is if Im connected to wifi for most of the day if im running on 4gLTE Im lucky to get 4 to 5hrs before it dies.
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not sure if this is true or not but someone told that eco lithium battery can't last more than 2 - 2.5 year so how is it possible to save the battery life extending it
it doesn't make sense
any idea?
Mysteriom45 said:
not sure if this is true or not but someone told that eco lithium battery can't last more than 2 - 2.5 year so how is it possible to save the battery life extending it
it doesn't make sense
any idea?
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It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of charge cycles and the heat generated by them. Lithium based rechargable batteries (lithium ion [Li-ion], lithium polymer [Li-Po]) simply degrade from use. It's just a part of the chemistry involved. Like anything else in the world (tires, motors, underwear, tolerance for BS) it wears out with use. The accepted "lifespan" for a lithium rechargeable is ~500 cycles, after which capacity is reduced by upwards of 20% or so, and should be replaced. If you charge your phone every night and run it down to zero the next day, that's about a year and a half. Most of us don't go quite that far, so the 2-2.5 year figure you've heard is probably about average.
How can you extend it? Don't use it. Don't wi-fi tether, don't watch videos, don't play games, don't spend hours flicking left or right on Tinder, etc. Obviously, that defeats the purpose of having a smartphone, so take that in consideration when buying your next one. Can you simply pop out a fried battery and buy a new one off eBay for $10-20? Or can it be easily replaced with the right set of tools and patience? Or is it impossible and will cost too damn much to have it done professionally? Do you even plan on having the phone as long as the battery will last before it takes a dump?
"It doesn't make sense" you say. It makes perfect sense.
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It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of charge cycles and the heat generated by them. Lithium based rechargable batteries (lithium ion [Li-ion], lithium polymer [Li-Po]) simply degrade from use. It's just a part of the chemistry involved. Like anything else in the world (tires, motors, underwear, tolerance for BS) it wears out with use. The accepted "lifespan" for a lithium rechargeable is ~500 cycles, after which capacity is reduced by upwards of 20% or so, and should be replaced. If you charge your phone every night and run it down to zero the next day, that's about a year and a half. Most of us don't go quite that far, so the 2-2.5 year figure you've heard is probably about average.
How can you extend it? Don't use it. Don't wi-fi tether, don't watch videos, don't play games, don't spend hours flicking left or right on Tinder, etc. Obviously, that defeats the purpose of having a smartphone, so take that in consideration when buying your next one. Can you simply pop out a fried battery and buy a new one off eBay for $10-20? Or can it be easily replaced with the right set of tools and patience? Or is it impossible and will cost too damn much to have it done professionally? Do you even plan on having the phone as long as the battery will last before it takes a dump?
"It doesn't make sense" you say. It makes perfect sense.
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now that u explain it ,it make sense But not yet
my brother once had a job on Dell and they have a lot of laptop that they didn't sell so they have to change the battery every 2 year and get rid of the old batteries i don't get it maybe it is different thing on laptops
i have my phone sense 2013-1-10 so it's 2 years old and it's really in bad state it shut down at 85
when i check that battery with app or with the phone setting it's say the battery is good that weird
For the first time ever on my phone, I'm babying the battery on the Pixel 3. I'm only allowing the battery to be in the 50-80% range. Occasionally it will get out of that range but I try not to let that go on for too long. Will this have a noticeable impact on the longevity of my battery? Has anyone ever tried it on a Pixel or Android phone?
I do this on my devices religiously... And while my wife does not, after 18 months with our previous Pixel 2's... Mine carries a noticeable advantage in battery over hers.
On occasion, I will let it fully charge, but not for very long, and never plugged in overnight.
Use your phone and enjoy it. I don't think any efforts like this are worth it, personally.
fury683 said:
Use your phone and enjoy it. I don't think any efforts like this are worth it, personally.
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You are not wrong.
I have been on both sides of this fence over the many years I have been running Android phones. Phones that I ran for 3+ years and swollen/poorly performing batteries if they weren't babied have both went the way of the dodo bird so to speak. My wife and I ran the OG Pixel and Pixel XL pretty much from the beginning until the 3s were released. They basically lived on a charger when not in use, and neither had any depreciation in performance. My only real strict battery usage rule for the past close to 3 years (including some other devices that belong to me, my wife and my sons) is to NEVER use the device while it is charging. The batteries are better as are the chargers and OS battery implementation, and the odds of me using a device long beyond 2 years is pretty slim. Some things like using the right charger and not messing with charging settings are pretty obvious to me. I will admit that I have my own OCD device things like daily reboots and cleanup, but as far as the battery goes I agree with fury that the device is to be used. If I am losing my time and device performance trying to milk a better SoT that doesn't really mean $hit, I am using the device wrong.
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For the first time ever on my phone, I'm babying the battery on the Pixel 3. I'm only allowing the battery to be in the 50-80% range. Occasionally it will get out of that range but I try not to let that go on for too long. Will this have a noticeable impact on the longevity of my battery? Has anyone ever tried it on a Pixel or Android phone?
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Yes, that works, but to what end? Are you planning on keeping your phone for 3 years or so you upgrade every year? It's a good technique for those who want to keep their phone for years.
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Yes, that works, but to what end? Are you planning on keeping your phone for 3 years or so you upgrade every year? It's a good technique for those who want to keep their phone for years.
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I just find it to be disappointing and a loss of value that I notice clear degradation every six months or so. When your phone is new and you're away from an outlet for 24 hours, no problem! Fast forward 18 months and that same scenario is a major problem. After 24-30, months I feel I HAVE to upgrade because the battery performance is so mediocre (if not outright poor). That's why I want to know if babying the battery pays noticeable gains in the future.
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I just find it to be disappointing and a loss of value that I notice clear degradation every six months or so. When your phone is new and you're away from an outlet for 24 hours, no problem! Fast forward 18 months and that same scenario is a major problem. After 24-30, months I feel I HAVE to upgrade because the battery performance is so mediocre (if not outright poor). That's why I want to know if babying the battery pays noticeable gains in the future.
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Why not just spend the $80 and replace the battery after a year or so? If I liked the device that much or I couldn't afford a new one for almost a grand then I'd certainly give that a shot. I think the Pixel 3 replacement is pretty easy and you can do it yourself. I'd drive myself crazy watching the battery level all day long. I think the apps on the device are more important anyway. After a year, a factory reset will probably get more life than a year of what you are doing.
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I just find it to be disappointing and a loss of value that I notice clear degradation every six months or so. When your phone is new and you're away from an outlet for 24 hours, no problem! Fast forward 18 months and that same scenario is a major problem. After 24-30, months I feel I HAVE to upgrade because the battery performance is so mediocre (if not outright poor). That's why I want to know if babying the battery pays noticeable gains in the future.
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I think that's a hard correlation to make. Usage changes over time. Your battery might last 24 hours no problem on day one, but then you add in a new app that uses more data, or you start playing a game more that uses more battery and you feel like it doesn't last as long. A lot of people say "no, I use all the same apps" and that might be true for 95% of the apps, but all it takes is one to change the battery life.
As others said, if you intend to keep the phone for 2-3+ years, the battery life may be a concern, but if you're planning to upgrade once a year or every other year, I don't think you will see any noticeable gains from worrying about the battery.
When my battery is low, I charge it. I have a Pixel Stand on my desk at work and it sits there most of the day. When I get home I use the phone and plop it on a Choetech wireless pad at night so it's 100% in the morning. It's also on power (albeit low/slow) with Android Auto in my car during my commute both ways. I also have days where I'm away from battery for hours and lose about 1% per hour (fairly standard with Always on Display). I've been doing more or less this same routine with all three of my Pixel XL devices (OG, 2 and now 3) with no issues. The only change with the 3 is that it has wireless charging which makes charging much more seamless.
Hope you enjoy your new phone, however you decide to use it! :good:
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Why not just spend the $80 and replace the battery after a year or so? If I liked the device that much or I couldn't afford a new one for almost a grand then I'd certainly give that a shot. I think the Pixel 3 replacement is pretty easy and you can do it yourself. I'd drive myself crazy watching the battery level all day long. I think the apps on the device are more important anyway. After a year, a factory reset will probably get more life than a year of what you are doing.
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The problem with this is alot of manufacturers will stop producing batteries around the same time they stop producing the phones. With my experience I've had a hard time finding batteries that were oem quality, and even if you do, who knows how long that thing has sat on the shelf?
If you're all curious how your battery is degrading over time, download an app called Battery Health. It's a very simple app that tells you what % of the total battery capacity is still available for use. It only took about 2 months for mine to drop into the 90's.