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Samsung Galaxy S4 vs HTC One - 13MP & Ultrapixel comparison

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For sharing: Samsung Galaxy S4 goes head to head with HTC One in camera comparison. Please don't attack me at comment below. Thanks.
For full size and source: http://gsminsider.com/2013/03/15/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-htc-one-camera-quality-comparison/

Post in info thread I told u so in a another thread you made a few minutes ago also at the very least u could have posted in the thread u made a few minutes ago
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191690
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HTC looks sharper.... do you agree?

I'd have to hand it to the HTC One on this one
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The noise reduction on the HTC One is too aggressive. Pretty noticeable in the hair and the ruffles at the bottom of the curtains. I don't have a reference to determine which has better color balance. The HTC One might seem to have sharper text, but the comparison is useless, since this could be down to digital sharpening, stillness of the device when taking the picture, focus, and the difference in viewpoint/zoom. They both blow out highlights, but the lighting over his right shoulder (left side of the pic) is different between the two shots. The One's image doesn't look as smooth as the S4's and seems a bit oversaturated, almost harsh.

HTC looks very good indeed.. if not better.. colors and contrast seems better on the HTC.
Surely they will be able to tweak this in the software but still..

notsointeresting said:
I'd have to hand it to the HTC One on this one
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It's a bit early to draw any final conclusions. All the SGS4's at the launch event are pre-production and Samsung wouldn't even tell the media whether they were Octa or S-600. The pics from China are all from dual SIM devices destined for China Mobile and who knows what state of development those phones are in. The 4MP camera in the One is going to suffer from lack of detail when content is viewed off the device. It'll do better in low light though. The SGS4's camera will do better in terms of detail and noise suppresion.
Here's what GSMArena said about the One's camera:
"Unlike most of its competitors, the HTC One bets on fewer, but bigger size pixels on its image sensor, rather than many tiny ones. In theory this should allow it to shoot photos that have less digital noise and more dynamic range. But of course, you have got to remember that when you downsize a say, 13MP photo down to 4MP it also visibly decreases the digital noise.
The first shot would be difficult even for a DSLR. In the MWC showroom are full of brightly lit company booths with patches of dim light in-between them. The Optimus G Pro [13MP] photos have a lot more noise in them, while HTC One photos have a slight grain, but not too bad considering how dark the scene was.The One developed the shadows better (look at the ceiling), though the highlights are overexposed. Still, the HTC One has an advantage in dynamic range. Obviously, we need to do more testing back in the office where we have more time and phones on hand to compare the HTC One against.
What we can say right now is that the technology shows a lot of promise - it keeps noise relatively low and the detail per pixel is pretty good. The problem is that there aren't a lot of pixels to go around, which puts a hard physical limit on the smallest detail that the HTC One camera can resolve. As we saw, this could cause problems with things like text. The dynamic range isn't much better than that of traditional cameraphones either, so the large pixels didn't help too much here. At the end of the day, it depends on what you want to do with the photos. Most high-res 27" computer monitors are at under 4MP resolution and HDTVs are at 2MP, so the resolution HTC One photos is okay. But if you want to print out photos or crop into a smaller detail, 4MP may start to feel pretty tight around the neck."​
Here's what they said about the Xpreria Z. Samsung most likely will use the same Exmor RS sensor in the SGS4 with Samsung doing better at drivers and s/w than Sony.
"The Sony Xperia Z challenges the best shooters in town and you can head over to our Photo quality comparison tool to see how it did. It did excellently on the first two charts, taking advantage of the superior resolution of its sensor to comfortably beat the 8MP sensor. Once we come to a more real-life scenario (third poster), the noise reduction takes its toll and the Xperia Z loses its advantage."​
GSMArena just posted some comparison pics between the XZ and One in better controlled conditions than a trade show floor.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-arrives-at-the-office-we-snap-some-camera-samples/

Were those balanced or all default? The one looks WAY too red. Skin tones are almost correct on the S4 but they look a little washed out.

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Were those balanced or all default? The one looks WAY too red. Skin tones are almost correct on the S4 but they look a little washed out.
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Exactly. People are going to like the punchiness of the One's images, but it's honestly oversaturated and smeared compared to the S4's cleaner and more balanced image. I don't see the One having any real advantage aside from low-light performance, and even there the aggressive noise reduction results in a disappointing image that barely bests an iPhone. When you scale down a 13MP image to 4MP, it almost completely overcomes its noise disadvantage.

GGXtreme said:
Exactly. People are going to like the punchiness of the One's images, but it's honestly oversaturated and smeared compared to the S4's cleaner and more balanced image. I don't see the One having any real advantage aside from low-light performance, and even there the aggressive noise reduction results in a disappointing image that barely bests an iPhone. When you scale down a 13MP image to 4MP, it almost completely overcomes its noise disadvantage.
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Plus I'm sure as it gets in the hand of millions especially xda devs, the cam software can get an update.

Here are the comparison pics between a One and Xperia Z. The SGS4's most likely using the same Exmor RS sensor as Samsung's used Sony camera sensors previously. Samsung does a better job with s/w and drivers so I'd expect the SGS4 to perform better than the XZ and certainly no worse. The One's are in 16:9 format.

Im all for HTC here. The red is from the room he is in and the type of lighting the HTC just picks it up better.

Wow, the color balance is different. Which one is more accurate? Can they be adjusted?

MohinderJaBardi said:
Im all for HTC here. The red is from the room he is in and the type of lighting the HTC just picks it up better.
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I think most of the One's pics are underexposed and the low light pic (third from the top) is overexposed. GSMArena will do a bunch of standardized tests comparing both phones that'll make it easier to see which performs best (4MP with bigger pixels or 13MP with finer pixels) under different conditions. Software tuning and drivers can make a huge difference so the XZ comparison is really only to demonstrate the Exmor RS sensor.

We will have to wait final versions def before judging.
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A drunk person will have steadier hand.
Why would someone reduce the sizes like that? No originals?

Well every review site saying the HTC one camera is junk, I'm going to believe them, The Verge didn't like it at all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_lr9XGOGc
Though no Xperia z there to compare to.
The One's pictures are so noisy on all sites I see apart from low light shots :\

slannmage said:
Well every review site saying the HTC one camera is junk, I'm going to believe them, The Verge didn't like it at all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD_lr9XGOGc
Though no Xperia z there to compare to.
The One's pictures are so noisy on all sites I see apart from low light shots :\
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The Ultrapixel camera just a marketing strategy

BarryH_GEG said:
Here are the comparison pics between a One and Xperia Z. The SGS4's most likely using the same Exmor RS sensor as Samsung's used Sony camera sensors previously. Samsung does a better job with s/w and drivers so I'd expect the SGS4 to perform better than the XZ and certainly no worse. The One's are in 16:9 format.
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I honestly had high hopes for the One's camera after the Optimus G disappointed with its 13MP camera, but I'm just not seeing the results I hoped. There almost seems to be an advantage to the One's pics in dynamic range, but further inspection shows that overexposure and inaccurate color balance are throwing off the comparison. Even with Sony's disappointing image processing, the images are brighter without being as blown out and more detail is apparent. Downsample the image to 4MP and the Sony sensor seems to have less noise than the One's camera in many shots.

bwin999 said:
The Ultrapixel camera just a marketing strategy
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Anyone remember "ImageSense" from last year's HTC marketing materials?
Engadget - "We were able to get our own first hand look at the HTC One series at Mobile World Congress and all the coverage is linked to below. HTC was proud to announce that not only are the phones awesome, built extremely well, trimmed down and run fast with HTC Sense, but they’ve also developed a new technology called ImageSense. HTC has actually added a separate processing core for the camera alone. So a dual-core phone will actually have three cores."​
I had a Teg3 One X that I was very happy with overall but its camera was, without question, its worst feature. The noise was hard to be believed.
Here's a pic that looks fine when displayed at lower resolution (500x282)
Look at this crop at from the same pic at 3264 x 1840
That's why I want to see the results of Anandtech or GSMArena's standardized tests before getting excited about either HTC or Samsung's new camera tech.

Speed of camera

I've read all about this phone. What I'm interested in is the speed at which pictures are taken. I don't mean burst mode, rather shutter speed. I have kids, and naturally they move around a lot. If the shutter speed isn't decent, the camera is no good for me. Can anyone shed some light? Or better yet post a video?
Thanks
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pnut22r said:
I've read all about this phone. What I'm interested in is the speed at which pictures are taken. I don't mean burst mode, rather shutter speed.
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My Wife just got hers yesterday, and so far it seems poor for moving kids. The camera favours low shutter speed rather than raising the iso
As an example, one photo taken outside in cloudy conditions chose shutter 1/30 and iso 125 - the shot came out blurry as my daughter was moving. I'd prefer it if chose a higher iso and higher shutter speed
If anyone knows of a third party camera app that can be set with things like minimum shutter speed, or shutter priority mode then id be keen to give it a try
Cheers, Barry

I love this phone, except for the camera. its almost unusable. Too blurry during lowlight and otherwise too.

KitKat will improve camera quality and focussing/speed greatly as users reported.

Camera

I'm considering the XZ, however there are very conflicting reviews of the camera. Some show really nasty photos, some show good photos. I'm assuming some of this has to do with SW versions and I know the XZ recently updated to 7.0.
I can't tell anything from a tethered store display unit.
Anyone have any comments regarding photo quality?
Manual mode is fine for me to shoot in. I almost always use manual mode on my cell phones and also my digital cameras.
Thanks in advance.

I find it pretty good, the manual shutter speed goes right down to 1/4000, manual focus ISO etc.
In MM I did realise the camera quality was worse than in 7.0 - so they did improve it.
Photos I have taken have great colours, and can usually be edited quite well in lightroom.
Big downside is the no RAW support (Yet, hopefully they release it)

nzzane said:
I find it pretty good, the manual shutter speed goes right down to 1/4000, manual focus ISO etc.
In MM I did realise the camera quality was worse than in 7.0 - so they did improve it.
Photos I have taken have great colours, and can usually be edited quite well in lightroom.
Big downside is the no RAW support (Yet, hopefully they release it)
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Thanks.
Colors have pretty much always been good in reports. The main thing that some of the "bad" reviews have mentioned is the artifacts especially in lower light. The better reviews and pictures that I've seen online don't really show a huge artifact problem and some of the youtube videos show what appears to be very good lowlight performance using manual mode.
I knew about the lack of raw support and I've used LR for a long time.

Fred98TJ said:
Thanks.
Colors have pretty much always been good in reports. The main thing that some of the "bad" reviews have mentioned is the artifacts especially in lower light. The better reviews and pictures that I've seen online don't really show a huge artifact problem and some of the youtube videos show what appears to be very good lowlight performance using manual mode.
I knew about the lack of raw support and I've used LR for a long time.
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Sony has always been a bit dodgy with low light, but I have found the XZ really improves on that (Compared to ther Z3, and Z5) Manual mode really helps with some of that though (same as a DSLR though)
Another thing to note, the device unlocks super quickly, and same with the camera, good for those un prepared shots

nzzane said:
Sony has always been a bit dodgy with low light, but I have found the XZ really improves on that (Compared to ther Z3, and Z5) Manual mode really helps with some of that though (same as a DSLR though)
Another thing to note, the device unlocks super quickly, and same with the camera, good for those un prepared shots
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Thanks again for the response.
I suppose that there isn't really any infor on their nrw 19mp camera used in thr XZs, nor have I found any pricing on it. At any rate it seems only a small upgrade from the XZ, with mostly the new camera and another 1 of ram

Pictures are generally very noisy and blurry when its not in extremely good light (inside with the sun shining through the windows with the lights on as well) Video however is very very good. I dont use manual mode since I don't know what to do, but as a point and shoot I can think of several phones that do better and probably cost less. If you want to buy it for the camera, just dont.

omarfarrah said:
Pictures are generally very noisy and blurry when its not in extremely good light (inside with the sun shining through the windows with the lights on as well) Video however is very very good. I dont use manual mode since I don't know what to do, but as a point and shoot I can think of several phones that do better and probably cost less. If you want to buy it for the camera, just dont.
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Noisy and blurry? Do you have a xz? In my xz i don't have those problems...

djgigi94 said:
Noisy and blurry? Do you have a xz? In my xz i don't have those problems...
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Thats strange, I hope I dont have a faulty hardware , however did you try to take indoor pictures and zoom in, you'll really notice the noise atleast, and if I'm not still as a building then it will also blur.

Sometimes the SW can overboard with the sharpening, I wish there was an option to disable it. Most phones probably have this issue too though.
I dont know if this can be counted as an issue but the lens on XZ has kind of a fish eye effect, So If you are taking a picture of an object and put it i the corners, it stretches and looks a bit... uh, unnatural? Because of this I try to make sure to center people as much as I can.
Some also say that taking pics in 8 mp mode introduces some artifacts because of the conversion algorithm (23mp to 8mp downsizing). So I use 23MP to avoid any unwanted processing.

I find the colors of the photos, taken with the XZ, to be very dull and way too cold to my liking, and XZ's Camera UI and Camera API have very limited manual controls set, unlike the rest of the flagships out there. I made a few photos with my old Xperia Pro and my new Xperia XZ for comparison, you can check them here - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0u28226fxm9z27d/AADrU08TmvfIUtSbprgharT-a?dl=0 . I was very unhappy with the XZ's camera so I sold it one week after I bought it.
EDIT: you check this thread for more information about the limitations, related to the manual controls of XZ's camera - https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz/help/enable-manual-controls-camera-t3580654

My experience, XZ pictures have a lot of noise (you can see that when you zoom in) when the light is not enough (and the phone is the one that decides what it means by enough )
I am coming from Galaxy s6 edge + to XZ Dual, and the S6 is the winner in my comparison.
If you want it for the camera, I wouldnt recommend you to go for the XZ.
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check this for your reference
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz/help/xperia-xz-dual-sim-camera-noise-t3582899

Fred98TJ said:
Thanks again for the response.
I suppose that there isn't really any infor on their nrw 19mp camera used in thr XZs, nor have I found any pricing on it. At any rate it seems only a small upgrade from the XZ, with mostly the new camera and another 1 of ram
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This review has sample photos in full res from XZS if you wanna know about picture quality. I own the XZ and i do see a difference in quality to the better in XZs compared to XZ..
https://www.lowyat.net/2017/128842/sony-xperia-xzs-review-one-trick-pony/

After I started using 4:3 full resolution instead od cropped 16:9 and disabled object tracking I very rarely see edge bluring and the photos in general are a lot better.
The "noise" people talk about in most cases is not really noise, it's a result of the image processing algorithm being too aggressive trying to eliminate noise even when there isn't any. First it sharpens the hell out of the photo to bring out as much detail as possible and then it tries to remove the resulting noise by applying heavy noise reduction. It's basically shooting itself in the foot. But, it really isn't as dramatic as some would say, you can't really see that effect until you zoom in really close. If Sony could find a middle ground, balance it out a bit, it would be perfect.
Sony's image processing has always been an issue for some unexplainable reason, they mastered sensors and image processing in photography a long time ago, but when it comes to phones it fails in software department, the sensor are the best on the market still.
It really is mind boggling, and they are aware of that, it's basically a software issue, it just needs some adjusting, why apply a noise reduction filter when there isn't any noise? HDR usually sucks as well. Then again, their DIS is top notch, the autofocus since the XZ is superb, the colors to me look great all around, low light photos are very good, specially in manual mode with adjustable shutter speed...there are great things about Sony's cameras, but usually things average user doesn't really see or cares about.
To be fair, the only time I see those artefacts is when I zoom in, not even when watching fullscreen on a PC, so I'm really pleased with the camera on Xperia since the Z3, but all things considered, Sony should have the best smartphone cameras in the world or at least be the top 3.
All that being said, shooting in manual mode is a different story, once you get a hang of it and learn how to use it, it can stand besides the best of them, easy. But that's not really a fair measurement, only auto modes, because that's what most people will use, and that's where Sony usually doesn't do that great.
The phone takes great photos, and I have yet to see a review that says it's a bad camera. It really isn't, it just isn't at the top few as it could be.
As for the XZs, currently it often produces lower quality photos than the XZ, depending on the scenario, it isn't a better camera, it's just different and has different strenghts in different scenarios. Plus, the slowmo gadget, if you care about that stuff. Other than that, there is no reason why it should be a better camera in average scenarios, maybe in low light because the pixels are bigger, but that's pretty much it.
If the quality of photos is your only concern about buying an XZ (or XZs, for that matter), you shouldn't be worried.

The distortion issue - A scientific approach and why you (likely) all have it

Hey there,
I know, lots of threads out there and many argue they have more or less issues with distortion. Now, I happened to have had a few lectures - or a few more - in Physics (Optics) back in college and I'm still a passionate photographer.
Here is the basics: All lenses have distortion. The light is redirected, that causes distortion. So what do you do? Easy, you create a lense profile that exactly fits the distortion pattern and corrects the incoming information. That is possible if the lens has a regular distortion pattern, e.g. if the cut of the lense is accurate.
How do you check that? Now, you need a little time, a tripod and a checkerboard pattern. You then put the lens you want to test STRAIGHT in front of the pattern and make sure the orientation EXACTLY fits the one of the checkerboard (linear distortion).
You take a picture.
Now you talk half of the picture (like the right side of your picture), mirror it and see if the mirrored part fits the original (ofc the left part in this case).
This is what I did. Here are the results.
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The Sony Xperia XZ Premium distortion issue is a lens issue. The mirrored pattern fits the original pattern exactly, the deviation is zero. Lenses are produced in ridiculously big batches, I doubt that there is even more than one producer. An unclean cut e.g. production waste causes non-linear distortions - but that is not the case here. I'd bet that non of you has distortion different from what I have found, it's about proper testing.
"But I can barely see it on normal pictures" - Yes, because that is how our human brain works. We understand optical patterns as logical and commonly don't see them. What we see is deviations. When tested empirically, 90% of all test participants cannot tell whether or not a picture has common lens distortion (e.g. differs from what you'd see in case u saw it with your own eyes).
So - Sony can handle this by patching an appropriate lense profile.

My issue is the same. I am not a professional photographer but I know that this is a lenss issue. So you think Sony can patch this with software update?

tomo100brt said:
My issue is the same. I am not a professional photographer but I know that this is a lenss issue. So you think Sony can patch this with software update?
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It can at least be corrected to a degree where one won't notice it anymore.

So I hope Sony will admit this issue and release a software update? I think they're still not admitting this issue as an issue.

They still have a lot to improve with the camera. While it's pretty good imo, the low light quality could be better, the minor distortion could be fixed (even if not completely, better than how it is now), the camera app can be improved a lot with new settings, the quality of 960fps videos can really be improved (I understand it's 720p, but here I am talking about the artifacts it has in anything but perfect light), and they should make Timeshift (that feature where it takes 60 pictures in 1 second) available already (my old Z always had it).

chesterr said:
So I hope Sony will admit this issue and release a software update? I think they're still not admitting this issue as an issue.
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yes, sony staff still remain silent on this ,so bad,
Xzs the same problem has been two months, still silent

Thanks for the super detailed professional explain here. And I agree with the above guys that Sony does not admit that there is a problem, has remained silent for a long time, that is weird.
and I used your photo to update the Sony Forum posts which they have deleted and restored,hope you don't mind.
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-XZ-Premium/XZP-camera-has-serious-distortion-issue/m-p/1226731#M1880

hi @Illux
any idea for below ?
A little progress here
(I don't know this is progress for camera mode or not,but I think it's helpful to understand ,there really is a serious distortion)
On camera video mode (FHD60fps,FHD 30FPS ,HD),the distortion will disappear only when you switch SteadyShot on. turn it off the distortion will be appear obviously. As we know electronic stabilization need "sacrifice" some pixels to processing stabilization data,This is why switch SteadyShot on will cause the composition different. But I compared the video pixel and clarity between on and off,the difference is not particularly noticeable.So I guess there really have a good one distortion correction parameter for 1080P and 720P Pixels proportion, like a professional camera have for different lens which you can free to switch on and off, even adjust the distortion correction level.
On 4k video mode still have distortion no matter you turn on or off the SteadyShot. I think cause 4K mode using full pixel sampling and then compressed merge pixels,recorded all the distortion just like the camera mode use full pixels.
So is there a good distortion correction parameter for full pixels shooting ?
or already have one but not working like 1080P and 720P?
or the full pixels correction it is already the best we can get ?
And when you video shoot three-dimensional objects turn off SteadyShot move angles around , you will see the distortion make perspective increase serious bad.
Try turn it on , it's much much better just like a normal camera does ,still a little bit of deformation but that is totally in acceptable range.
Try video the person you familiar with , easily move around shoot by different angles and distances,you will not see the SUPER body parts distortion which in the camera mode.

feskey said:
hi @Illux
any idea for below ?
[yadayadayada]
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First of all, interesting findings. Didn't occur to me to try that out. Nice idea. It's not only some, it's important progress
Well, I did a very short research on SteadyShot, seems they crop the picture and use the sensor as multi-grid, meaning as long as one part of the sensor captures an equivalent image to the one before, you get a steady video.
That means there is countless(!) sub-lens profiles somewhere that manage to produce corrected images if only a part of the sensor is in use - but not a single one that works for the entire sensor. Wtf.
I'm puzzled.

Illux said:
First of all, interesting findings. Didn't occur to me to try that out. Nice idea. It's not only some, it's important progress
Well, I did a very short research on SteadyShot, seems they crop the picture and use the sensor as multi-grid, meaning as long as one part of the sensor captures an equivalent image to the one before, you get a steady video.
That means there is countless(!) sub-lens profiles somewhere that manage to produce corrected images if only a part of the sensor is in use - but not a single one that works for the entire sensor. Wtf.
I'm puzzled.
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OK ,Now sony developer said this is normal , and decided to respond for fix this issue, I am considering to return refund.

Wow this is interesting. I just ordered this phone.. Starting to regret it now

feskey said:
OK ,Now sony developer said this is normal , and decided to respond for fix this issue, I am considering to return refund.
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Take a look at this post:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2017/06/2...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)
There are some interesting explainations about this.

schickel said:
Take a look at this post:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2017/06/2...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)
There are some interesting explainations about this.
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I am really disappointed that they're saying it's normal. C'mon you can clearly see the distortion and they advertise it as anti-distortion when you take fast moving subjects!
Sony mobile is so bad at camera algorithms, It's been years and years and yet they fail to deliver decent phone with less issues. I am gonna get the phone as well just because of the design and software, Camera I will hardly be using.

Compared with your distortion map as follows:
see this sony official dancing woman's photos (above photo)from XZP you can find in your phone,The distortion has been already there very serious, just that wall have bad workmanship make you think it is.Do a anti color you will see the serious distortion just absolutely same as XZP distortion map below .
look at the merger photo here you will see the coincide curve line.You know what is the most coincidence part that this little woman's head and body just inside the blue box area where have less distortion.XZP review online they all took photo from long distant landscape,no close-range or people so we can see the issue very coincidental .S PHONE and IPHONE review usually have close range shoot and close portrait.
See this official photos.Whether use any angle to shoot these light bulbs should be regular spherical,rgiht ?! But the one closest to the yellow safe area has been distort absolutely serious already.I'm not saying that wide angle don't have distortion, But this level ..........!This is definitely not a photographer and perspective problem.Also the "curve line" certainly affected distortion.
Now the light bulb photo and map explained why my photo will be seriously deformed ,and also explained that no matter what angle and composition I try I can't get one normal photo .Explained that why I use a 4:3 scale will have even more elongate head,also more and more in single person photo like below. (borrow from other user) Exactly same issue like my traveler's photos,which they Complained about.
This is not an ordinary perspective and wide-angle problem or what ever industry standards is.More like a failed lens design ,what is the point to use the lens like that ? Mobile phone camera should be to allow users to take pictures more easily than professional camera.Most users will not use the phone to shoot master style landscape photos. Most of them are normal shooting for ordinary live photo.If this phone designed for some landscape and flowers which are random shape please put it in the ad and packaging.Also even the landscape you can see the distortion easily than other phone.
My old note5 and the new S8 I tried ,Safe area it is roughly in green box see above photo.
I see the user here said that if cut some pixels may be able to get less distortion.If so, I would agree and accept too.And also like Samsung make a late correct option on software would be grateful.

Ok guys, let me Pop in here. My XZP has also this issue (Europe, 7.1.1). Compared quick and dirty with My other devices: Lumia 950XL has a better geometry in the upper half Image with almost no distortion, lower half is convexed. Dunno why. The worst Image, even worse than the Sony, gives me My Samsung S7 Edge, really wavy geometry all over the Image. Best Output Comes from My iPhone 7Plus, with almost no distortions. Posted Image is cropped from the S7 Edge Output.

BBEN66 said:
Ok guys, let me Pop in here. My XZP has also this issue (Europe, 7.1.1). Compared quick and dirty with My other devices: Lumia 950XL has a better geometry in the upper half Image with almost no distortion, lower half is convexed. Dunno why. The worst Image, even worse than the Sony, gives me My Samsung S7 Edge, really wavy geometry all over the Image. Best Output Comes from My iPhone 7Plus, with almost no distortions. Posted Image is cropped from the S7 Edge Output.
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Samsung have a Shape Correction option in camrea ,did you turn it on ? If your turn it on the output image will do a auto correction make it perfect. And S7e's distortion only at the side which is pincushion distortion, not like XZP it is really all over the image which is pincushion distortion + barrel distortion
see link on #8
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xz-premium/help/poll-distortion-issue-xperia-xz-premium-t3625326

YUYYY said:
Compared with your distortion map as follows:
This is not an ordinary perspective and wide-angle problem or what ever industry standards is.More like a failed lens design ,what is the point to use the lens like that ? Mobile phone camera should be to allow users to take pictures more easily than professional camera.Most users will not use the phone to shoot master style landscape photos. Most of them are normal shooting for ordinary live photo.If this phone designed for some landscape and flowers which are random shape please put it in the ad and packaging.Also even the landscape you can see the distortion easily than other phone.
My old note5 and the new S8 I tried ,Safe area it is roughly in green box see above photo.
I see the user here said that if cut some pixels may be able to get less distortion.If so, I would agree and accept too.And also like Samsung make a late correct option on software would be grateful.
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Finally know what happened! I usually need to take some products picture on my little business counter and many portrait photos. This distortion is wrapping me right now. Right now I am using S7 Edge everything is normal.

Are sony developers all part time jobs?

Needoxygen said:
Are sony developers all part time jobs?
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Hi all
Does the latest firmware fix this problem?

Camera App Mods - Suggestions and Questions

Hi Guys,
I'm not a dev and won't be able to any of the suggestions, but just some things I'm wondering from learning how the 960FPS camera works...
Firstly - the camera has a 128MB buffer for the 960fps shooting - this is why it is limited to 0.182 seconds of video (ish). So, two suggestions:
1- Can the camera app be modified to allow lower resolutions? at 720p it will only allow 0.182 seconds, at 480p would this be much longer?
2- Can the camera app be modified to allow lower frame rates? Obviously lower than 240fps is not really productive, but doubling the recording time by making it 480fps would be handy - most useful if you can select which FPS to use etc.
3- Is there any way to modify the app to enable automatic-sequential slow mo segments? One thing you can manually do is hit the Super Slow Mo button over and over again - with a minute delay whilst the cache flushes to the processor and then to storage. Can this be automated? You'd end up with a stuttery video afterwards, but you may end up capturing the specific detail you were aiming for - a water drop hitting the ground, a spark from a firework, a beat of a bird's wings etc.
As said, these are just thoughts, questions and suggestions - I am not a dev and won't be modding the cam app or anything, I'm just putting these out there to see if it's just me who wants them and also to see if there's anyone clever enough to make it so
Discussion encouraged

I also wonder if the 960fps recording is accessible to third party apps.
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I also wonder if the 960fps recording is accessible to third party apps.
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No way it is accessible, Sony even limited the shutter speed to 1/10s for third party apps, so I say the camera buffer functionality is a big NO for anyone other than Sony, at least for now...

I'm also interested in this - mainly the slowing the FPS down for longer, but faster slomo. The ability to do endless 240FPS would be great.

I think Sony intentionally cripples a great camera/sensor.
I don't understand why Sony didn't include 240fps @ 720p and 120fps @ 1080p.
Then there's no RAW imaging.
I am pretty sure this time also Pixel 2 is gonna crush all the phone cameras with it's crazy camera algorithms.
Look at these links
https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/27/15447130/google-post-processing-nighttime-mobile-photography
https://research.googleblog.com/2017/04/experimental-nighttime-photography-with.html
I know it's pointless to go and shoot stars with a phone but it's so cool if it had features.
Sony Alpha team actually is taking customers serious about features and innovates which is good.

chesterr said:
I think Sony intentionally cripples a great camera/sensor.
I don't understand why Sony didn't include 240fps @ 720p and 120fps @ 1080p.
Then there's no RAW imaging.
I am pretty sure this time also Pixel 2 is gonna crush all the phone cameras with it's crazy camera algorithms.
Look at these links
https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/27/15447130/google-post-processing-nighttime-mobile-photography
https://research.googleblog.com/2017/04/experimental-nighttime-photography-with.html
I know it's pointless to go and shoot stars with a phone but it's so cool if it had features.
Sony Alpha team actually is taking customers serious about features and innovates which is good.
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It has nothing to do with algoritms. If you are using a tripod with your smartphone you can have equal or better results. I bet these photos of the Pixel were shot on tripod too.