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So I have a unique situation on my hands. I bought a couple if phones from people on the seattle cl. I live in Canada and sold one of them here and kept the other one for myself.
I just got a call from someone in seattle who somehow got my number. She said that the guy who sold me phone #1 basically pulled some shady stuff and some people got ripped off. The girl who got ripped off supposedly called att and they are disabling the phone via its imei number.
Now what am I to do? I can't get the phone back to the girl. I don't have the money to refund the guy I sold it to. He hasn't contacted me out anything and the girl said it had been a week since Att was contacted. I would feel pretty damn guilty if the guys phone was disabled. Should I contact him? Or I could just let it be and see what happens.
Can att even remotely disable a phone when its in another country. I know for sure that I couldn't connect to their servers to get the ota jh7 update.
Just be wary when buying from cl, people. The guy who sold it to me seemed like a perfectly nice guy and even made up some bs about switching over to a t mobile family plan with his dad.
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they can't disable it if its not on their network.
First of all ATT cant disable phones from their network. Second of all, you did nothing wrong, so its not your responsibility to make it up to anyone.
It sounds shady that "some girl" got your number and called u to tell u that. That in itself sounds shady. I'm all is fine. As long as your handset works who cares
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Unless she is willing to file a complaint in Canada stating that the phone was stolen there, and provide your information as benefiting from that theft, you have nothing to worry about. Given that she said it was taken in the US. You are clear from any liability. Until we annex Canada.
If someone resells the phone back to the US then it would be a problem for them.
well i have first hand knowledge that ATT CAN block imei numbers i had a Dell Streak Beta that they blocked and when there system would recongnize that i had that imei# they would block my sim and i would have to call in to have them remove the block by giving them the IMEI number of a "good" Att phone. so it CAN be done.
So if they disable a certain imei, is that only pertaining to their network? Say he visits the us and att does their voodoo magic. Will it work again when he's back in canada?
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leecox said:
Until we annex Canada.
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The way our country is going, I wouldn't be surprised if they beat us to it!
Another live and learn. If you buy electronics off Craig's List you get what you get be it legit or not. So many stories of friends buying Cisco stuff only to find out upon arrival it's not what they were lead to believe it was.
IMEIs can be blocked by operators but in the US it is not common practice. The reason you couldn't do the JH7 OTA from outside of the US is because it can only be done from their network. You can't even do it over WiFi.
If your phone was blocked you wouldn't even be able to attach to the network. And if that's the case, maybe someone messed with the PRI our other network settings.
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AT&T can most certainly block certain IMEIs, however it's only done in extreme situations and it's not like some AT&T customer service rep can decide to block a phone from the network. I read about how the Dell Streak beta/dev phones were all blocked, but those were beta phones and AT&T wanted them out of circulation. They aren't going to use resources that high up to block a single phone from the network.
I'm sure someone could call and say "oh my phone was stolen", but all that will happen is the SIM linked to the account of the "victim" will get shut down, not the handset itself.
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AT&T can most certainly block certain IMEIs, however it's only done in extreme situations and it's not like some AT&T customer service rep can decide to block a phone from the network. I read about how the Dell Streak beta/dev phones were all blocked, but those were beta phones and AT&T wanted them out of circulation. They aren't going to use resources that high up to block a single phone from the network.
I'm sure someone could call and say "oh my phone was stolen", but all that will happen is the SIM linked to the account of the "victim" will get shut down, not the handset itself.
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Wrong if someone calls at&t and say "oh my phone was stolen"! that imei will be added the list of blocked imei's in the past the only way to find out someone was using a blocked imei is if they called customer server and gave the stolen imei because the phone did not commiunite the imei of the phone being use on the network but now phones will update the imei on the network with you calling them!
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Wrong if someone calls at&t and say "oh my phone was stolen"! that imei will be added the list of blocked imei's in the past the only way to find out someone was using a blocked imei is if they called customer server and gave the stolen imei because the phone did not commiunite the imei of the phone being use on the network but now phones will update the imei on the network with you calling them!
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How would AT&T know you had the legal right to block a given IMEI? How many AT&T bought phones are sold on eBay every day? Standard AT&T policy is unless it has the potential to disrupt the network, they DO NOT block IMEIs without a warrant or other legal justification.
And BTW, details of the mobile equipment including IMEI are communicated to the network every time you attach to it. That's what makes blocking phones possible.
OP, AT&T does not block IMEIs simply at a customer's request and they certainly can't block anything running outside of their own network.
Thanks for the info guys. Worry free now! haha
I've stupidly purchased a blocked sensation off craigslist.
The phone is blocked from t-mobile, but works on at&t. Could anyone help me figure out if it was stolen or just blocked because the owner didn't pay their bill? I'll pm the imei upon request.
If it's in the wrong forum, feel free to move this thread.
Thank you, guys. Merry Christmas!
RussianBear said:
I've stupidly purchased a blocked sensation off craigslist.
The phone is blocked from t-mobile, but works on at&t. Could anyone help me figure out if it was stolen or just blocked because the owner didn't pay their bill? I'll pm the imei upon request.
If it's in the wrong forum, feel free to move this thread.
Thank you, guys. Merry Christmas!
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I would say it's probably a stolen phone and the real owner reported it lost or stolen and T-Mobile blocked it. They do that.
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I would say it's probably a stolen phone and the real owner reported it lost or stolen and T-Mobile blocked it. They do that.
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another member that works for t-mobile said they block it only if the account was left unpaid. also read they block it if it was purchased on installments and the bill hasn't been paid. a lot of conflicting info.
That's strange I have never heard of a blocked t mo phone. I figured with a good sim you would be OK
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Any way to, maybe mask the imei via custom roms and whatnot? Just enough to carrier to see a different # than the actual one each time it connects to the network.
No once it is blocked only T-Mobile can undo it. Changing the imei is illegal and will not be talked about on XDA
bump, still looking to find out info about the phone.
It was working when she got it. Suddenly on wednesday morning, it says "restricted access changed" and when she tries to select T-mobile as carrier it says not permitted on sim card. She went into tmobile and they checked the IMEI and it turns out the user reported it lost. She called the seller and he says he didn't do anything and is not answering calls now.
Is there anything she can do? Go to the police? wrong forum?
Guessing it could also have been a stolen phone that the guy sold off right away and the original owner just reported it.
Unless the owner that reported it stolen calls back to T-Mobile and says it wasn't stolen there is nothing you can do. I would stay away from the police since your friend has received stolen property. Unless they want to give it back to the owner.
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she got scammed, and has the phone number and craigslist listing, and the fact that the original owner already reported it stolen. Why stay away from cops?
Because receiving stolen property is a crime? Do what you want with the criminal aspect of it, but you won't be able to use that device until it comes off the lost/stolen list. Sorry.
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Receiving stolen property knowingly is a crime. You basically got scammed so there's no issue in reporting it to the police. Chances are however, they will do nothing to help you. It will probably be more of a hassle for you, and you won't get your money back or the status of the phone changed, but, it may stop the person from doing it to someone else.
Sorry but I think your friend is out of luck.
Buying used phones is fine but I would limit it to either people I know or actual businesses not individuals. I bought mine on Ebay, but through a retailer that have sold thousands of phones with good seller feedback.
You can go straight to the cops, does she have a receipt or bill of sale at all? That's the biggest thing. If she does then she shouldn't be in trouble
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You can go straight to the cops, does she have a receipt or bill of sale at all? That's the biggest thing. If she does then she shouldn't be in trouble
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Very true. If she has a confirmation or receipt for the sale, then she should be good. Ya, it could be a hassle, is it worth it? Is it worth stopping this a-hole from doing this to someone else?
This biggest thing is, was the phone stolen or lost from a different person other then the seller? I am sure t-mobile can trace the original owner through the imei number.
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I have bought several phones from individuals on craigslist; to avoid the situation you describe here you must do one simple thing. Before you by the phone pull the battery, call verizon customer service. Read the EIN number to them and they will tell you if the phone has been reported stolen. If the seller refuses to let you do this then you can assume the phone is stolen… don't walk… run away!
Verizon is happy to provide this information to you and you are assured that you are getting a clean phone.
Hope this helps in future purchases.
Rick
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It was working when she got it. Suddenly on wednesday morning, it says "restricted access changed" and when she tries to select T-mobile as carrier it says not permitted on sim card. She went into tmobile and they checked the IMEI and it turns out the user reported it lost. She called the seller and he says he didn't do anything and is not answering calls now.
Is there anything she can do? Go to the police? wrong forum?
Guessing it could also have been a stolen phone that the guy sold off right away and the original owner just reported it.
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GTablet said:
I have bought several phones from individuals on craigslist; to avoid the situation you describe here you must do one simple thing. Before you by the phone pull the battery, call verizon customer service. Read the EIN number to them and they will tell you if the phone has been reported stolen. If the seller refuses to let you do this then you can assume the phone is stolen… don't walk… run away!
Verizon is happy to provide this information to you and you are assured that you are getting a clean phone.
Hope this helps in future purchases.
Rick
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The issue was with tmobile not Verizon.
The problem with that strategy is that the phone was not reported as stolen until after she already had purchased the phone. Most people do not report their phone stolen right away because they are hoping that they will still find it. In that time someone can sell the phone which still has a clean ESN. It wouldn't become bad until the original owner reported it which is probably what happened in her case. The phone had a clean ESN days after she purchased it.
It does bring up an interesting thought. At what point does the ESN transfer to the new account? It would have to at some point, otherwise someone who owned the phone 4 years ago could still report it stolen. And it could be not immediately otherwise there would be no point in being able to report it stolen because the person who stole it would have control over the ESN just be activating it.
I'll have to ask a friend who's a manager of Sprint store.
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The problem with that strategy is that the phone was not reported as stolen until after she already had purchased the phone. Most people do not report their phone stolen right away because they are hoping that they will still find it. In that time someone can sell the phone which still has a clean ESN. It wouldn't become bad until the original owner reported it which is probably what happened in her case. The phone had a clean ESN days after she purchased it.
It does bring up an interesting thought. At what point does the ESN transfer to the new account? It would have to at some point, otherwise someone who owned the phone 4 years ago could still report it stolen. And it could be not immediately otherwise there would be no point in being able to report it stolen because the person who stole it would have control over the ESN just be activating it.
I'll have to ask a friend who's a manager of Sprint store.
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On Verizon the esn always remains in the history of your account even if you clear it for sell and is used by another account.
I know they have a history of it, but at one point ownership had to be transferred like a car. Otherwise I could sell my phone to someone then report it stolen 2 years later which would make the phone obsolete without the actual owners permission or knowledge. Or, if the phone had several owners it can't be that all of the previous owners have the right to claim it as stolen indefinetly. There has to be a time limit to when a new account is linked to an ESN and the old account holder no longer can claim it as stolen. That would be the time frame that a person would have to sell a stolen phone.
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I know they have a history of it, but at one point ownership had to be transferred like a car. Otherwise I could sell my phone to someone then report it stolen 2 years later which would make the phone obsolete without the actual owners permission or knowledge. Or, if the phone had several owners it can't be that all of the previous owners have the right to claim it as stolen indefinetly. There has to be a time limit to when a new account is linked to an ESN and the old account holder no longer can claim it as stolen. That would be the time frame that a person would have to sell a stolen phone.
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As long as it's active on your account it's safe but if you take it off an active line it can still be activated or reported stolen from a previous owner. I had it happen to me before. The time gap was around 2 years or so.
It does not matter which company it was...they all will check the EIN before you buy the phone...
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The issue was with tmobile not Verizon.
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It is always a good idea to get a bill off sale making sure you note the serial numbers, etc. Also have them fill out their information as it is on their drivers license or identification.
I have 5 months left on my Verizon contract and i am trying to find a way to not pay my $170 etf fee. If I change my phone line to a tablet, then I would only need to pay a monthly fee of $10 and have it mooch of my wife's data for the 5 months. Way cheaper... The only thing is I do not have nor do I want to buy a tablet with Verizon connectivity. So..... What if buy a tablet, activate it to my account then return it . or even better yet... Would you think it would work?
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I have 5 months left on my Verizon contract and i am trying to find a way to not pay my $170 etf fee. If I change my phone line to a tablet, then I would only need to pay a monthly fee of $10 and have it mooch of my wife's data for the 5 months. Way cheaper... The only thing is I do not have nor do I want to buy a tablet with Verizon connectivity. So..... What if buy a tablet, activate it to my account then return it . or even better yet... Get a imei from a demo at the Verizon store and activate that to my account for the next 5 months. Anyone heard of doing something like this? Would you think it would work?
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you could probably just get your new provider to pay it
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you could probably just get your new provider to pay it
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Not in my case. It's not that huge of a deal. Just wanted to see if anything like this has been done.
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A bit of cleanup, FYI we do not allow discussion of IMEI changing etc because it is illegal. Let's stick to legal means of ETF avoidance if we can,
Thanks.
Just activate a dumb phone on the line...it's what I did for mine. Borrowed them from people's junk drawers...lol
I can confirm dumb phone lines work fine...
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Let your new service provider pay your ETF.
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Let your new service provider pay your ETF.
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This. T-Mobile pays your ETF when you switch to their service.
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If it's an unlimited data plan. Sell it.
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A bit of cleanup, FYI we do not allow discussion of IMEI changing etc because it is illegal. Let's stick to legal means of ETF avoidance if we can,
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Technically imei repair is legal because your repairing it to bring it back to its original carrier. This is legal also because their is no cloning that can be done like with esn's because with imei's its gsm and gsm activates your sim card and not the phone so their is no way to clone anyway as its not like esn's where the esn was linked to the exact phone make and model. Gsm imei numbers are not registered to any particular phone so they can actually be legally changed.
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If you have bad service at your residence many times you can get them to let you out of your contract without an etf. You have to document the problem and report it and verizon will give you a ticket number and will say to give them a week or so to check it out. Then after they confirm it you have to discuss it with them. They will try to offer you a network extender maybe even for free. Your only way out of that is either say you have no home internet to power it or you were going to get rid of it due to finances. As they cannot make you provide broadband internet for their network extender. Then you have to tell them you dont want to pay for a service you cant use you may have to ask for a supervisor. It can be done you just have to not take no for answer, and dont be afraid to say you will talk to the better business bureau as this type of stuff does hurt their reputation. Also you can mention getting all your friends and relatives to switch to at&t or tmobile. Verizon has been starting to feel the pressure from the competition mostly tmobile with price cuts and no contracts, and at&t has been cutting prices also and with their final buy out of alltel and cricket they are gaining ground on verizon so verizon is feeling it in their sales so they probably would give in and let you out. But you have to have bad service at home for this to work. If you already have a network extender for verizon turn it off when you call if they ask it took a dump and you threw it out, and dont accept another one from them say you got rid of your home broadband internet that you cant afford it.
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Technically imei repair is legal because your repairing it to bring it back to its original carrier. This is legal also because their is no cloning that can be done like with esn's because with imei's its gsm and gsm activates your sim card and not the phone so their is no way to clone anyway as its not like esn's where the esn was linked to the exact phone make and model. Gsm imei numbers are not registered to any particular phone so they can actually be legally changed.
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That is not correct.
an IMEI is tied to the phone just like an ESN does. If I change the SIM card in my tmobile phone, my phone still retain the same IMEI as before.
This was not talking about "repairing" anything, but cloning the IMEI or ESN of another phone/tablet, which is illegal.
Regardless of any of that, discussion of IMEI or ESN changing on this forum is not allowed, period. If you have any more question or concern on that point please PM me, I won't bite (probably).
As to the no service aspect of the ETF avoidance, if you really are getting bad service then you have a legitimate claim, it's up to them to see what they'll do about it.
Doing something illegal to avoid an etf is just stupid. Plus it shouldn't be talked about here.
If your service is truly unusable where you live, the carrier will take care of the etf.
Otherwise, you got the phone at a discount. Pay what you owe instead of trying to weasel your way out by being dishonest.
As for the $10 switch, that works fine. I've done it many times.
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That is not correct.
an IMEI is tied to the phone just like an ESN does. If I change the SIM card in my tmobile phone, my phone still retain the same IMEI as before.
This was not talking about "repairing" anything, but cloning the IMEI or ESN of another phone/tablet, which is illegal.
Regardless of any of that, discussion of IMEI or ESN changing on this forum is not allowed, period. If you have any more question or concern on that point please PM me, I won't bite (probably).
As to the no service aspect of the ETF avoidance, if you really are getting bad service then you have a legitimate claim, it's up to them to see what they'll do about it.
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No it is not the gsm imei numbers do not. If a gsm imei number is repaired to return to its original carrier the gsm carrier does not know what model of phone it is by the imei number. Such as gsm carriers like at&t & tmobile will activate a sprint imei number on their network because they do not even acknowledge it as being a sprint imei, all they do is make sure the imei number is not blacklisted. If the imei is not blacklisted then they do not care, as they activate your sim card and not your imei number of your phone.
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schwartz.matthew.e said:
Doing something illegal to avoid an etf is just stupid. Plus it shouldn't be talked about here.
If your service is truly unusable where you live, the carrier will take care of the etf.
Otherwise, you got the phone at a discount. Pay what you owe instead of trying to weasel your way out by being dishonest.
As for the $10 switch, that works fine. I've done it many times.
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I only pointed out that bad service is a reason to end a contract, but as I listed bad service is required for that to apply. Many people just accept having bad service thinking they have no options when they actually do because bad service is a legitimate excuse to be let out of a contract without an etf. These cell carriers brag about how they cover 97% of americans when we all know that is a total lie maybe one day someone will sue them and make them stop advertising such lies.
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No it is not the gsm imei numbers do not. If a gsm imei number is repaired to return to its original carrier the gsm carrier does not know what model of phone it is by the imei number. Such as gsm carriers like at&t & tmobile will activate a sprint imei number on their network because they do not even acknowledge it as being a sprint imei, all they do is make sure the imei number is not blacklisted. If the imei is not blacklisted then they do not care, as they activate your sim card and not your imei number of your phone.
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I only pointed out that bad service is a reason to end a contract, but as I listed bad service is required for that to apply. Many people just accept having bad service thinking they have no options when they actually do because bad service is a legitimate excuse to be let out of a contract without an etf. These cell carriers brag about how they cover 97% of americans when we all know that is a total lie maybe one day someone will sue them and make them stop advertising such lies.
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Indeed. But, they don't say what coverage those people have. They get their statistics more or less very accurately. It just wouldn't be what anyone calls good service. Lol!
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Verizon corporate store managers (the good managers) can suggest scenarios to avoid ETFs. Discuss in-person in the store.
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Indeed. But, they don't say what coverage those people have. They get their statistics more or less very accurately. It just wouldn't be what anyone calls good service. Lol!
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There is no way they actually cover 97% of americans I will tell you why. I live on an Ohio state route highway and I get 1 or 2 max out of 6 bars of signal usually only one and 1x yes 1g data that is total crap. They care more about this xlte crap than even making regular lte everywhere, heck we dont even have 3g data here and you verizon are going to brag about adding xlte coverage. I think verizon needs to rehire the guy that goes around calling saying can you hear me know, because clearly they fired him long ago and no longer care about actually covering populated areas. They should have that guy also say do we have lte now ? Or actually he should say do we have 3g now because I"am only only seeing 1x on my phone, arent we supposed to have finished the lte roll out ? Oh apparently not because if there is only 1x that sure aint lte now is it ?
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There is no way they actually cover 97% of americans I will tell you why. I live on an Ohio state route highway and I get 1 or 2 max out of 6 bars of signal usually only one and 1x yes 1g data that is total crap. They care more about this xlte crap than even making regular lte everywhere, heck we dont even have 3g data here and you verizon are going to brag about adding xlte coverage. I think verizon needs to rehire the guy that goes around calling saying can you hear me know, because clearly they fired him long ago and no longer care about actually covering populated areas. They should have that guy also say do we have lte now ? Or actually he should say do we have 3g now because I"am only only seeing 1x on my phone, arent we supposed to have finished the lte roll out ? Oh apparently not because if there is only 1x that sure aint lte now is it ?
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Thus what I said about they don't specify what coverage everyone gets lol. I live in Ohio too actually. Overall, Verizon is the best though. I've worked with network engineers that do work for multiple carriers and they'll confirm vz is the best. Overall the best. Emphasis on overall. Lol.
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Thus what I said about they don't specify what coverage everyone gets lol. I live in Ohio too actually. Overall, Verizon is the best though. I've worked with network engineers that do work for multiple carriers and they'll confirm vz is the best. Overall the best. Emphasis on overall. Lol.
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I was only getting 1x data I had them investigate had been 2 weeks they said no plans to fix coverage and they admitted they have limited coverage for me here. They are letting me out of my contract with no etf otherwise I would have had to pay the $350 as I have only had the service a bit over a month, and I dont have to return my m8 either. But they did sell me service for my address which they clearly could not provide, and the crazy thing is I"am a regular length drive way away from an Ohio state route highway, right on the highway, as our address is the highway itself. That is pretty sad no coverage a driveway away from an Ohio state route.
moates4 said:
I have 5 months left on my Verizon contract and i am trying to find a way to not pay my $170 etf fee. If I change my phone line to a tablet, then I would only need to pay a monthly fee of $10 and have it mooch of my wife's data for the 5 months. Way cheaper... The only thing is I do not have nor do I want to buy a tablet with Verizon connectivity. So..... What if buy a tablet, activate it to my account then return it . or even better yet... Would you think it would work?
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Just have them activate a tablet on it...you don't need a tablet just the tablet Sim...or as others said get a dumb phone and swap it on there.
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Roefastford said:
I only pointed out that bad service is a reason to end a contract, but as I listed bad service is required for that to apply. Many people just accept having bad service thinking they have no options when they actually do because bad service is a legitimate excuse to be let out of a contract without an etf. These cell carriers brag about how they cover 97% of americans when we all know that is a total lie maybe one day someone will sue them and make them stop advertising such lies.
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Why is is such a lie? Have you looked at the population distribution in the US? Did you know that you can cover 39% of the population by just installing cell towers in the counties that border the ocean? And that area is only 10% of the land area of the US.
So the other day I bought a Samsung Galaxy s6 edge from a guy on Facebook tried to activate it and they told me the imei was blacklisted or bad is there anyway I can fix it to be used on another carrier I payed $300 for it and don't want to be out money please help I need to know if it can be rooted to work or unlocked or whatever I can do to get it working with a carrier
It's stolen.
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It's stolen.
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Phones are typically blacklisted when the owner doesn't pay their phone bill. Typically, the only legal and "moral" way to solve this is for the original owner or you to pay the owed bill, then the carrier will remove their block and then you can continue trying to activate it. There is no other way to remove the block other than some practices that aren't welcome or discussed here because it's illegal in a lot of places to do them. We can only help you with the legal and moral solutions, which would be for someone to pay the previously owed bill associated to the device to remove the block.
Usually, stolen devices aren't blacklisted because whoever steals it pirates a new IMEI or it gets sold to someone that can pirate a new IMEI. You will get no help of this kind here at XDA.
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So the other day I bought a Samsung Galaxy s6 edge from a guy on Facebook tried to activate it and they told me the imei was blacklisted or bad is there anyway I can fix it to be used on another carrier I payed $300 for it and don't want to be out money please help I need to know if it can be rooted to work or unlocked or whatever I can do to get it working with a carrier
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You could also root it and do some other goodies. Do some searches.
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