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Serious FLAW w/ Huawei Phone Manager - "Recent Apps" & 3rd party App Startup - HELP!
Hi,
I am having a 2 MAJOR deal-breaker issues with my GEM-703L B112 EMUI 3.1:
* Startup Apps (including Alarm Clocks, Hangouts, 3rd party Email client) don't start after a reboot resulting in missing notifications
* Protected Apps (including Alarm Clocks, Hangouts, 3rd party Email client) get killed/closed when "flicking up" to clear all apps using Recent Apps button resulting in missing notifications
The culprit of this issue seems to be Huawei's Phone Manager. All apps mentioned above are set as Protected Apps, Trusted permissions, allowed all notifications, and background data is enabled.
If anyone has a solution for this issue, *PLEASE* help! I really love the phone but must have this resolved since these are VITAL, especially for my alarm clock - not waking up for work is not an option!
I will be rooting once I get the bootloader unlocked via unlock code from Huawei at which time this issue can be fixed by making these important apps as system apps (thanks to ajsmsg78 for the suggestion as well), but until that time and for many of those who are and won't be rooted, a solution is clearly very badly needed.
Lastly, I believe this issue also exists for other Huawei phones having EMUI such as the P8, etc.
Switch off Power Genie app and set energy saving to least agressive level.
trurl3 said:
Switch off Power Genie app and set energy saving to least agressive level.
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Thanks for your reply trurl3, my energy saving level is set to "Performance" which is the least aggressive level, but I cannot find this "Power Genie" app. Where would this be found through?
E--Man said:
Thanks for your reply trurl3, my energy saving level is set to "Performance" which is the least aggressive level, but I cannot find this "Power Genie" app. Where would this be found through?
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Don't bother doesn't help, I've power genie disabled and it's on Performance, still same issue.
hagba said:
Don't bother doesn't help, I've power genie disabled and it's on Performance, still same issue.
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Thanks hagba.
UPDATE: strangely enough, my startup apps have now slowly started to start up after reboot but not right away. As I do not yet have root on this device, I simply cannot explain why in the world this positive change had happened. I am almost afraid to reboot again because I will be frustrated if/when they do not start up.
The app that I really need to start up is called Alarm Clock Xtreme which is my goto Alarm app for years now. At first it was not showing the permanent notification in the notifications and the Alar, would not go off. Now after a few minutes after reboot it is showing up. Not sure what is going on here code-wise.
Anyone have any input here or a solution for the Recent Apps button killing Protected Apps?
hagba said:
Don't bother doesn't help, I've power genie disabled and it's on Performance, still same issue.
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Was a problem on the X1 I had as well. Things like google hangouts would get closed and you'd never get notifications, even if it was set as a protected app. From what I can tell only the Huawei apps are truly protected...
You have to root and get a rom with the phone manager removed.
And even then, some things still get closed once in a while, which is odd. There's is plenty of free memory, so not sure why the Huawei phones mess up the memory management so much.
This Huawei memory management issue is really the only bad thing about this phone... Android has a great memory manager built in, don't mess with it
Otherwise, its perfect for me...
hagba said:
Don't bother doesn't help, I've power genie disabled and it's on Performance, still same issue.
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Hagba not sure if u saw my message above.
omniphil said:
Was a problem on the X1 I had as well. Things like google hangouts would get closed and you'd never get notifications, even if it was set as a protected app. From what I can tell only the Huawei apps are truly protected...
You have to root and get a rom with the phone manager removed.
And even then, some things still get closed once in a while, which is odd. There's is plenty of free memory, so not sure why the Huawei phones mess up the memory management so much.
This Huawei memory management issue is really the only bad thing about this phone... Android has a great memory manager built in, don't mess with it
Otherwise, its perfect for me...
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Thanks omniphil, I'm wondering if this particular issue could be worked around since startup apps are working but only after a delay (see "UPDATE" above) by having a third party app monitor if a process is killed or having a Tasker profile to relaunch it right away, but then we are back in the same paradox where that third party app or Tasker profile would also be killed when "flicking up" to kill all apps.
@ajsmsg78 , @elio321 , @mcdhol_24 , @hagba , @Djiban:
Perhaps there is a certain third party app or Tasker profile can designate itself with "priority" mode of some sort and can bind itself to notifications or accessibility so that it would be relaunched? Please note I am just brainstorming here! Input would be gladly appreciated...
E--Man said:
Hagba not sure if u saw my message above.
Thanks omniphil, I'm wondering if this particular issue could be worked around since startup apps are working but only after a delay (see "UPDATE" above) by having a third party app monitor if a process is killed or having a Tasker profile to relaunch it right away, but then we are back in the same paradox where that third party app or Tasker profile would also be killed when "flicking up" to kill all apps.
@ajsmsg78 , @elio321 , @mcdhol_24 , @hagba , @Djiban:
Perhaps there is a certain third party app or Tasker profile can designate itself with "priority" mode of some sort and can bind itself to notifications or accessibility so that it would be relaunched? Please note I am just brainstorming here! Input would be gladly appreciated...
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Hi All and @ajsmsg78, @elio321, @mcdhol_24, @hagba, @Djiban, @omniphil,
I have noticed that unlike my other Protected apps, my SwiftKey keyboard app does not get killed when flicking up to close all apps using the Recent Apps button. I understand that this is obviously because the selected keyboard is required to stay in memory, but can't this or similar exception be leveraged to keep a Tasker profile in memory to relaunch critical apps?
Surely I am not the only unrooted user with this issue!
Thanks again.
I think the big question is, why are you swiping up to kill all apps? They aren't running in the background anyways, they are just place holders. There isn't really any need to kill all the background apps in android anymore, it uses more battery life. Just leave them all there and let android do what it was designed to do
omniphil said:
I think the big question is, why are you swiping up to kill all apps? They aren't running in the background anyways, they are just place holders. There isn't really any need to kill all the background apps in android anymore, it uses more battery life. Just leave them all there and let android do what it was designed to do
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Hi omniphil, I see what you are saying but killing unused apps does improve the device speed and save on battery usage including background data consumption. I understand that memory is automatically managed by killing apps when more memory is required but the above is not considered in this - just memory.
I fixed this issue by freezing the phone manager through titanium backup. I was also breaking my head over keeping the apps running in the background even if they were killed in the multitasker area. You do need to be rooted to use titanium backup. Hope this helps, it sure fixed the issue for me.
want an app to not be closed by swiping up? on the app itself, on the recents screen, swipe it down. now there's an icon showing on it, right? that means it won't be closed when you do the swipe up to close all apps.
Dead_Dude said:
want an app to not be closed by swiping up? on the app itself, on the recents screen, swipe it down. now there's an icon showing on it, right? that means it won't be closed when you do the swipe up to close all apps.
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Hi this is true but only valid until next reboot.
can you disable phone manager with debloater software on Windows
I need SIP client to be always accessible, but SIP app stops registering after an hour or so (this is the app I use - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.nn.helios_mobile&hl=en).
On other family members phones (sony z3c, iphone) this app works without any problems, but my honor 8 seems to always kill this app (or somehow stop it from registering to sip server).
Is it just this app or is it honor 8 memory management problem? On EMUI 4.1 there was a function to add apps to protected apps list, but it's not available anymore.
Go to your App infos then click on Battery, you can then choose whether to keep this app running after the screen is locked or not.
takichiman said:
Go to your App infos then click on Battery, you can then choose whether to keep this app running after the screen is locked or not.
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"Close after screen locked" option for this app is OFF.
Or is there any other option I don't know about?
k13tas said:
"Close after screen locked" option for this app is OFF.
Or is there any other option I don't know about?
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Hmm.. There is another option that automatically close excessively power-intensive apps. Check if that's off too.
(I can't remember where to find it on Nougat, I'm on MM now)
takichiman said:
Hmm.. There is another option that automatically close excessively power-intensive apps. Check if that's off too.
(I can't remember where to find it on Nougat, I'm on MM now)
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This option is also OFF...
k13tas said:
This option is also OFF...
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That's weird,
suppose this problem comes from RAM management, you can choose to prevent an app from being purged by clicking on a lock from the task management screen (it's right next to the X that closes an app).
takichiman said:
That's weird,
suppose this problem comes from RAM management, you can choose to prevent an app from being purged by clicking on a lock from the task management screen (it's right next to the X that closes an app).
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I'll try that, thank you
I made sure to turn power save mode off and all the auto app closing features in the battery but still when i use musixmatch or any other music app sometimes when i lock the device the playback is paused and the application is closed and again yes i checked all the options in the battery save
Turn off and turn on option for background access
Hi there,
Have a look at this thread and my reply in it. It will likely solve your problem.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-8/help/listing-battery-optimisation-troubles-t3660483
Basically, Chrome is the problem. Don't allow any power optimizations for it and your music player shouldn't stop when the screen locks.
Good luck!
Raster71
well in my opinion, you can try following thing
1. Go to your music player app(app manager) and sure check box "close when screen is locked " is disabled
2. as for the person recomending chrome, i object that because i have disabled chrome and have no problems (android 7.0)
aliiahmed.20 said:
I made sure to turn power save mode off and all the auto app closing features in the battery but still when i use musixmatch or any other music app sometimes when i lock the device the playback is paused and the application is closed and again yes i checked all the options in the battery save
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Try clearing the app preference in Settings-Apps--3 dots and reset app preference.
or you can try uninstall/install of this app.
how about the default music app? what is the behavior there?
Saadbinaamer said:
well in my opinion, you can try following thing
1. Go to your music player app(app manager) and sure check box "close when screen is locked " is disabled
2. as for the person recomending chrome, i object that because i have disabled chrome and have no problems (android 7.0)
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Disabling Chrome would have the same effect as getting rid of the power optimization for it. Chrome being closed by EMUI is what causes the music player to stop. Once Chrome is closed (or disabled), the music player will play when the screen is locked.
Give it a try - it worked for me and others.
Raster71
raster71 said:
Disabling Chrome would have the same effect as getting rid of the power optimization for it. Chrome being closed by EMUI is what causes the music player to stop. Once Chrome is closed (or disabled), the music player will play when the screen is locked.
Give it a try - it worked for me and others.
Raster71
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Strange behaviour.. isn't it? Nkw sure how this works simetime.
But still if it worked for you, others can try for sure amd report. :good:
Use batter settings
My issue got resolved as below
settings > battery > launch > flip the App from manage Automatically to "Manage manually"
and make sure all the options are on in "Manage manually"
Hope it resolves your issue, if so please reply
thanks
How do we prevent Samsung from killing alarm clock apps? Mine didn't go off today. I had specifically whitelisted it so that it couldn't be put to sleep. What else should I do? Any ideas? It's really frustrating... Samsung is so aggressive with that sometimes.
PsiPhiDan said:
How do we prevent Samsung from killing alarm clock apps? Mine didn't go off today. I had specifically whitelisted it so that it couldn't be put to sleep. What else should I do? Any ideas? It's really frustrating... Samsung is so aggressive with that sometimes.
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Uncheck Put unused apps to sleep under Device Care -> Battery -> App power management
ram4ufriends said:
Uncheck Put unused apps to sleep under Device Care -> Battery -> App power management
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I'll try that. I also FINALLY found a way to choose specific apps to NOT "optimize". It used to be way easier to find. I can't even remember how I found it now, haha. It was buried somewhere.
PsiPhiDan said:
I'll try that. I also FINALLY found a way to choose specific apps to NOT "optimize". It used to be way easier to find. I can't even remember how I found it now, haha. It was buried somewhere.
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Not optimizing a app still doesn't stop it from being killed..You have select Not sleeping apps or select option to not sleep apps after 3 days of non use
ram4ufriends said:
Not optimizing a app still doesn't stop it from being killed..You have select Not sleeping apps or select option to not sleep apps after 3 days of non use
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Really? Once I chose to not optimize it, it removed it from the list of apps that I had manually chosen to "never sleep" so I figured it just excluded that possibility entirely. That's... Weird!
Hello,
I am using Poco F2 Pro with official global rom 12.0.3. I am facing the following issue:
I have some apps with background processes but the background processes are automatically killed after some time. For example the tool 'Screenshot Touch' needs to run in the background so that I can select it in the menu to make screenshots. But it is killed after some hours.
In the battery optimization, I have already excluded this app. Also, I have disabled the 'MIUI Optimization' in the developer options.
Any idea how to solve this?
Thank you and best regards
same problem with miband tool...
Fangstergangsta said:
same problem with miband tool...
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Try to make this tweaks
1.In settings go to apps-find the app what you want and click on it-at battery saver select no restrictions -turn on autostart option
2.press the button to enter in recent apps- find your app-long tap on that app and press the lock
Personally i use this for notify for miband
H2ckerNorg said:
Try to make this tweaks
1.In settings go to apps-find the app what you want and click on it-at battery saver select no restrictions -turn on autostart option
2.press the button to enter in recent apps- find your app-long tap on that app and press the lock
Personally i use this for notify for miband
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Yeah, for now just lock all apps that you use often, that works most of the time until you open GCam or the stock cam then it goes to sh*t again, I hope they fix this soon.
digiphotos said:
Hello,
I am using Poco F2 Pro with official global rom 12.0.3. I am facing the following issue:
I have some apps with background processes but the background processes are automatically killed after some time. For example the tool 'Screenshot Touch' needs to run in the background so that I can select it in the menu to make screenshots. But it is killed after some hours.
In the battery optimization, I have already excluded this app. Also, I have disabled the 'MIUI Optimization' in the developer options.
Any idea how to solve this?
Thank you and best regards
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first disable battery optimization for the app, then long click your app, go to app info and allow automatic restart.
ozkaya said:
first disable battery optimization for the app, then long click your app, go to app info and allow automatic restart.
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Battery optimization is disabled. But I did not find the option allow automatic restart.
But what seemed to have worked is to lock the app
Thanks
digiphotos said:
Battery optimization is disabled. But I did not find the option allow automatic restart.
But what seemed to have worked is to lock the app
Thanks
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even locking isn't enough sometimes, automatic restart(I don't use English ROM) or automatic start is what you need, it is there in app info page.
i will try!