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Problems with location (GPS, cell, wifi, ...)

I've had the NS (i9023 on stock 2.3.3) for a few days now and I must say I'm generally rather impressed ... if only the GPS and other location sources didn't suck so much.
GPS (outside, on my top floor balcony):
With mobile data and wifi on it more often than not won't get a lock for tens of minutes, if at all. Even if it has a lock it'll lose it every few seconds. With both off it's actually somewhat usable - takes a while, the accuracy isn't too good (10 m does seem to be the best it can do), and the lock's rather erratic, but still, better than nothing. Makes the thing bloody useless for navigation, though.
For comparison: A Galaxy S (i9000 on stock 2.2.1) locks within 3-10 seconds, gets about a third more satellites and gives me 10-5 m accuracy. Almost no fluctuation in either accuracy or number of sats. A Desire S locks as fast if not faster and shows 8-3 m accuracy even, even though it generally shows the fewest sats.
Wifi- and/or cell-based location (indoors)
Even my trusty old i5700 (Galaxy Spica) puts me within 100-20 m of my true location even when GPS is disabled, using just cell towers, or that and wifi. Even more importantly, it gauges the accuracy correctly, that is, I'm always within the blue circle.
The Nexus S (and, to be fair, the Desire S) on the other hand puts me in a 1000-400 m circle - and I'm not even near that, it's a couple of kilometers off. What's with that?
Compass
Well, it's not strictly about location and the horse has been beaten to death but it still needs to be said: It doesn't work. At all. Instead it spins wildly, even when the phone's perfectly stationary.
On to the questions:
Is this a sw bug, a hw bug or just a defective unit?
If it is a sw bug, is there anything known about the eta of an incoming hot fix?
Are there any known workarounds?
I really hope there's a solution to this because I really like the thing generally.

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roughly the same here.

Same problem. We need help.
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Yes .. I just don't know if I should return it over this issue or not, and I'm running out of time as today's the last opportunity.
Does anyone know if the GPS, network location and/or compass work flawlessly under CM7? That would at least tell us that a fix is possible.

yep, and i'm guessing as it's on stock it's not a software issue. it's a major issue for me as i want to dev augmented reality stuff and having the visual jump around when you're stood still is not cool.

Same thing here. Acquiring a lock can sometimes take forever. I think it's Samsung's crappy hardware, so we may all be stuck.
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I am also facing the same problem with my SNS here in Bangladesh.
Peculiarly the sets gets location data using Cell tower in some areas while it doesn't in many of the areas. As for example, I dint find any problem in checking in Facebook places ot Google Place in my Work.
But have never been able to do the same same in my Home. :-S !
This flaw is giving some hard time.
Is it bcz I've rooted my SNS and using CM7 ?

MarkusPO said:
i'm guessing as it's on stock it's not a software issue.
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That's dire news ... You'd think with all the problems the SGS's GPS had and all the attention the early reviews of the NS gave to the issue someone would have spotted it - yet most were quite positive the GPS was fine.
Unfortunately reports on this and other forums are very mixed on the question if and when the NS GPS started acting up.
I guess I'll just have to send it back for now, after all I can always get another one if there's an update that fixes GPS and the rest of the location providers.

like i said in my own thread: exactly the same problems. really sucks. especially GPS and Compass are pissing me off, really doesn't work at all..
bought this new phone and expected a perfect device but got a device full of bugs, i even had a HW problem and had to give it to the support here..i thought i have a completly defective device but since others got this problems i have a little more hope.
and i really hope for a fix soon and really hope this is a SW and no HW bug.

Has anyone with a sucky GPS tried this trick (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1043034) or a similar one on the Nexus S?

I haven't had any issues with my GPS, however sometimes it may take 30sec-1min to find a solid signal. My experiences have been with stock rom and also SupeAosp 6.2 (which I'm currently using).

[Q] To return or not to return (GPS problems)

As you may know by now I've been having problems with GPS on my Nexus S (i9023, bought factory unlocked from Amazon Germany, carrier code EUR, running rooted stock 2.3.4 AKA GRJ22). A quick search of the Nexus S forums will tell you that I'm not the only one who complains about GPS issues - I always assumed that the GPS was just sub-par on the model and I'd have to live with it.
Only now a few helpful souls over in the accessories section said it was probably defective and I should exchange it. (I've already exchanged it once for this and the new unit I got performed exactly the same.) So I'm just going to tell you the current situation and I'm hoping you'll tell me if that's within the normal tolerances for the model: [All tests done outside in suburbia]
"Network location" (geolocation, wifi / cell triangulation) is fine since 2.3.4 [just to get that out of the way]
Time to First Fix (TtFF) is decent now, usually 15-30 s cold and < 15 s hot. I've seen much better (yes, on a phone), but that doesn't bother me.
Accuracy however, is still bad. GPS Status shows 20-10 m mostly, but it fluctuates wildly going from 5 to 30 in a heartbeat even when it's just stationary. Other phones don't show this behavior. This translates into real-world problems in Maps (checked via sat view): The blue circle goes from large to enormous and back and while my true position is somewhere within the circle most of the time, the center dot is way off. Most other implementations manage to guess the location correctly even when the accuracy is bad (as tested side-by-side).
Stability is my biggest concern. The lock'll be fine for a few minutes, especially if the phone was just rebooted, but then the GPS will lose it every few (say 5-10) seconds and take time to reacquire it. Additionally, it doesn't pick up movement very well. I did a few tests watching my position in Maps while on the tram (in a window seat) and basically it would register an (approximately correct) location every now and then but then just hang there for a while. Usually it wouldn't register that the tram had left a stop before it had arrived at the next one or even just left it again. All other phones trace the tracks almost perfectly and in real time. There goes any kind of usable navigation and - in concert with the compass issues - all augmented reality apps.
Again, this isn't meant as a complaint or even a request for a fix (though if you have one I'll gladly take it) - I'd only like to gauge if my particular phone's have been bad or if "that just how it is".
Thanks for listening.

I have a nexus s4g from sprint and my gps was working great and then one day it just stopped. I can never pick up a signal and if out does it takes about five minutes our more. I have a gps radar app that shows me signal strengths and stuff and our barely picks up give signals and they are always really weak I have to refresh the agps status all the time to even get a lock and like I said it still takes about gives minutes or more if it even locks at all. I am looking for a fix my epic had the same problems and then with the latest update for it, it was amazing and fast accurate locks. And help with the nexus s4g would be great
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Get your msl, go to your dialer and dial *#*#gpsclrx#*#*, then put in msl and it will clear gps for you. It will reboot on its own

snandlal said:
Get your msl, go to your dialer and dial *#*#gpsclrx#*#*, then put in msl and it will clear gps for you.
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What's an msl and what does "clear gps" mean? Also, way to derail a thread ...

I tried that before on my epic and it messed up my gps but I will give it a shot
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nice post. finally some oen who get it.that there are just failts in phones and thats just how it is.
thougfh.yes try returning it in the hope to get a proper nexus s xp

I did the clear gps code and it seemed to fix mine so thanks I would recommend people try it.
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whats an msl? can't find that on google so what is it? would like to try out that code...really have problems with GPS on my nexus s

floomat said:
my GPS does just not work at all, it can't get a fix for hours even if there are 10 sats.
but sometimes I'm lucky (really rare) and it gets a fix but the longest time it hold it was 5minutes, then lose GPS fix can't get one again. it's even not while i'm moving, phone lays on the table and outside to test.
really disappointing for me, second thing is my compass does not work after reboot and is really inaccurate and unstable (jumping around)
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Your GPS sounds even worse than that on my NSs, the compass doesn't work for anyone. Out of curiosity - where did you get yours?

for msl: http://goo.gl/x3IKR
i'd like to ask if this code is good for Nexus gsm or cdma??

freakness51 said:
for msl: http://goo.gl/x3IKR
i'd like to ask if this code is good for Nexus gsm or cdma??
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According to the article you linked: "This program reads your Master Subsidy Lock (MSL) code for your CDMA Android phone."
In other news, I'd really appreciate some on-topic replys

fallenguru said:
Your GPS sounds even worse than that on my NSs, the compass doesn't work for anyone. Out of curiosity - where did you get yours?
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I even think my GPS is the worst of all the Nexus S.
Mine was bought from Ebay-UK and since it was on a repairing-tour to samsung germany i know its from CPW. Its a I9020 not I9023. BTW there was nothing repaired because they said "The discribed issue cannot be found" or something like that..
what do you mean with compass does not work for anyone?? does it really not work on any nexus? thats interesting, isn't it a little bit illegal to sell a device and say it has compass and than compass does not work at all?
freakness51 said:
for msl: http://goo.gl/x3IKR
i'd like to ask if this code is good for Nexus gsm or cdma??
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mh sounds like this will not work for GSM-Nexus

the GPS on my NS behaves similar (but better) to what you describe in the first post but overall it seems to have better accuracy and stability.
Have you tried recording a track while in a car? The results should be better. At least with mine it's mostly accurate and rarely looses signal (unless you go under a bridge/tunnel)

abrcrmdl23 said:
I have a nexus s4g from sprint and my gps was working great and then one day it just stopped. I can never pick up a signal and if out does it takes about five minutes our more. I have a gps radar app that shows me signal strengths and stuff and our barely picks up give signals and they are always really weak I have to refresh the agps status all the time to even get a lock and like I said it still takes about gives minutes or more if it even locks at all. I am looking for a fix my epic had the same problems and then with the latest update for it, it was amazing and fast accurate locks. And help with the nexus s4g would be great
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Hello,
I have the same phone, NS4G from Sprint, and the same symptoms. The GPS worked fine for a week or so, and now I'm lucky to get it to work at all. Sometimes I can get a lock after 5+ minutes (while not moving), but other times it never occurs.
I just tried resetting the GPS as is described in the post above. It says "it will reboot automatically" - does that mean the phone or the radio?
In any case I just pulled my device battery after GPS reset - I'll post back with results in a few minutes. In the meantime can you explain what you did after following the reset with dialpad/MSL?

Also attempted return...had to send in for repair
I also got a bad GPS Nexus S i9020 from Amazon.com USA site. The GPS would not lock without a wifi signal. I eventually caved in trying to get it working with rom flashes, drove me nutz, but tried to return for cash and missed the date. Had to send in to Samsung then and get the repair. I have been somewhat satisfied, having gone from no GPS to finally getting it to lock, but its a poor excuse for a gps chipset. The SiRFSTAR from my old WinMo days kicks this gps in the arse.
I also get the bouncing sensitivity and wandering location circle, but accuracy hovers around 5-10m now, but the location is never fixed solid, its wobbly, even outside with clear skies above. The compass is another huge weak spot. Samsung dropped the ball on this device, I wish I could return mine and grab an HTC unit. Google should learn from this and drop them for the Nexus Prime. I think this is unacceptable as location services are whats hot now and this device fails as a flagship product.

I like the gps on my sgs2 more (it has a sirfstar IV) but, i have to say, it's not that much better.
What i gained in stability i lost in TTL. Sometimes you need one more than the other.
The SGS2 has taken me up to 10 minutes to get a lock and if conditions aren't good (cloudy sky, tall buildings) it can easily take 5 minutes. Sometimes you just want to get some signal to get you going.
I did a trip of more than 2000 miles with my Nexus S, using the GPS most of the time, and it worked ok enough for navigation for most of the time. The only times it failed me were, as i mentioned earlier, in old parts of cities with narrow streets.
You are right when you mention HTC, because usually their devices have better working GPS.
Overall i wouldn't say it's a bad device, you have to keep in mind this is not a dedicated GPS device, it's a smartphone that does a lot of things, some better than others, it's still a good developer phone, which i think was the main goal of the Nexus.
After upgrading to the SGS2, the main differences i noticed were not the GPS but the speed and extra memory! The Nexus S is not slow and has average memory (512mb but with only around 380 free) but if you have a lot of apps running (and it's easy for this to happen) it will get sluggish and begin to close the launcher when you start a heavier app. I found this had a lot more impact on usability than the GPS weakness.

GPS Firmware?

I was reading that the samsung galaxy sII is also having the standard GPS problem that samsung is famous for. If you dont now what Im talking about, go use an HTC phone and watch the phone instantly lock on your position in <1 second with 3ft accuracy while you are indoors..
my Charge has been "Acceptable" when using GPS, but lately it has taken upwords of 20 min and a few reboots to get a lock on my location. Using GPS test, and Faster Fix do not work. GPS test just sits there showing me 9 satellites in view but locking on none.
apparently there is an update for the SGSII that actually fixes this problem.
http://phandroid.com/2011/05/23/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-gets-ke7-update-through-kies/
So to the devs that are in the know, where is the GPS modem firmware located? It is not in the base band modem sets as I was thinking. Is there a way we can use the sgsII update on our phones?
I love my charge, and Gummy2.0 is amazing... but I need a working GPS, the damn thing cost me a job interview yesterday when it refused to lock and get me to the place on time.
-cheers

I agree that the charge may not lock quite as fast as some of the HTC phones I have owned, but my GPS performance is certainly acceptable.
I am running gummy 1.9.1 and just returned from a one week trip all over New England and my GPS worked just fine the whole way. I used it MANY times to find locations I had no idea how to get to and it worked perfectly every time.
I used GPS Test Plus & did the XDA tweaks & it really does work just fine.
~John

My gps was working acceptable for a while. In fact since updating to gummy 2.0. I have no idea if roms change the gps firmware. I expect not. But this is why I am looking for a way to verify the gps firmware. Then the problem can be tracked down easier.
I know I am not the only one with gps problems. And I am a very heavy gps user. Something is definatly different now.. my gps is non functional in its current state.
Make sure you guys turn off google location and verizon location services and only use stand alone gps and test with gpstest app before saying your gps works fine.
My problem is basicly this.. I turn on google maps and it will simply fail to get a location. I don't get the arrow with the large circle with an accuracy of 1600 feet.. it just says 'unable to determine location'. And then quits.
So back to my OP. Where do we find the version number of the gps firmware?
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Maybe I'm just lucky, but I just fired up GPS Test Plus & in under 30 seconds it said nine satellites visible with eight in use. I then fired up Google Maps & the arrow was right on top of the building I work in.
~John

By the way, I am a LONG TIME GPS/NAV user & understand how it works.
My first Garmin unit had a B&W screen with no background map.....
~John

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1184418
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GPS Stopped working

Friend of mine recently told me her GPS on her verizon S3 stopped working. she brought it by, i flashed the newest build of cleanrom on it today and sure enough the GPS still doesnt work. everything needed is turned on but it doesnt get a lock. i checked it with the GPS Status app and it shows like 0/20 satellites and doesnt lock to any. only way i was able to actually get somewhat of a lock on google maps was to hook it up to WiFi and let it gather from that.
any suggestions?

Somewhat common problem. I haven't found a fix as of yet. There is a gps fix somewhere in these forums though that sort of helps. my phone had the same problem. Going back to stock or to any custom rom, nothing worked, the gps was just dead. After flashing one of the fixes I finally managed to get it to get locks, but it needs like 7-8 satellites to get a fix, is highly inaccurate, and loses gps lock a few times on every trip.
Here's the gps fix page
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1880411
I use Galaxy s3 test 3 alt, it's the only one that gets any lock for me. The first time and other intermittent times can take up to 10 minutes or more though, and rebooting the phone or trying again another day does sometimes help.
I know it is definitely the phone, as my pantech marauder which has the same SoC which should be very similar for gps location, finds and locks on to 6-8 towers in like 10 seconds or less all the time, even indoors, and gets location accurate to less than 100ft with 4 satellites while the gs3 needs 7-8 satellites to get a lock to 300-600ft

If none of the software fixes work. And the stock unrooted software does not receive GPS lock.
I would highly recommend replacing the GPS antenna just in case.
I'm 90% sure the headphone jack. External speaker. WiFi antenna and GPS antenna are all in one unit.
This piece is sold for cheap on Amazon. Or eBay or whatever.
Replacing is simply a removing a couple screws and popping the old one out.
Here is a link to eBay
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=160890063224
Possibly you could find one cheaper.
Hopefully this is it for you.
Let me know how it goes.
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I too have this problem: the GPS no longer gets a fix w/o a data connection
the phone recently did an update to jb 411 and now no gps fix w/o data.
I do NOT believe its the antenna.
does anyone else with the os in sight have any info?

palm2droid said:
I too have this problem: the GPS no longer gets a fix w/o a data connection
the phone recently did an update to jb 411 and now no gps fix w/o data.
I do NOT believe its the antenna.
does anyone else with the os in sight have any info?
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I too have the same problems on this rom

GPS not detecting or connecting to satellites, cannot get a fix ever.

I bought a used unlocked s6 active recently, SM-G890A. After noticing terrible navigation accuracy I eventually realized the phone was only able to use data/WiFi for location. After looking into I now know the GPS is entirely nonfunctional. Using GPS Status app I see "0/0" satellites (not fixing to any, and interestingly not getting the info (don't know the technical term here) for how many satellites are available to get a fix to.
I've left the phone outside, no case, next to my s4 running the app, and the s4 performs great, but still 0/0 on the s6 active.
I did a factory reset. Then I updated the phone from 5.1.1 to 6.0.1 (stock). I've read about some NV rebuild in the service menu on older galaxy phones, but haven't read anywhere that accurately describes how to do this on the s6. I removed the SIM card. I don't know what else to do. I have a few more days to return it, but frankly I have a feeling the hardware is fine and a fix is out there. There are plenty of threads about the S6 having GPS accuracy issues, but not many on my problem.
Any suggestions? Return it (and hopefully not have the seller tell me they think it's working fine and charge me 20% restocking fee)? If anyone can describe the process for the NV rebuild that may yield some results, based on what I've read. Your feedback is appreciated!