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[Q] QI charging vs Sony Magnetic charging. What do u prefer?

Ok so I was told by a Sony store employee that the Z4 might have wireless charging and most likely it is Qi based. I have had a lot of experience with wireless charging with the N6 for which I bought a Tylt Vu since I was told it was the fastest but alas it's much much slower than the stock charger and also slower to a cheap Nokia stock charger belonging to some dumb phone.
I prefer the magnetic dock system it charges my Sony faster than the wireless system of the N6 it would truly be a step back if Sony only included Qi and deleted the magnetic system from the next flagship. Don't get me wrong the Tylt Vu is a very capable dock but when compared to the likes of Sony DK docks it's not half as grippy neither does it charge as fast.
What do you all think ?

I like the convenience of wireless charging that my nexus 5 had, It's something I miss on the z3. Not really a fan of the magnetic charging
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rxil said:
I like the convenience of wireless charging that my nexus 5 had, It's something I miss on the z3. Not really a fan of the magnetic charging
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Out of interest, how can anyone have a problem with magnetic charging? The usb socket is a weak point on many devices; often they're glued or soldered onto the boards with no regard for longevity - indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if they are deliberate weakpoints, exempt from warranty ("you must have broken it") etc. Magnetic connectors solve all that. Sure, add QI to magnetic (and usb, for data transfer if you can't use wifi for some reason) but I see no downsides to providing magnetic.

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Out of interest, how can anyone have a problem with magnetic charging? The usb socket is a weak point on many devices; often they're glued or soldered onto the boards with no regard for longevity - indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if they are deliberate weakpoints, exempt from warranty ("you must have broken it") etc. Magnetic connectors solve all that. Sure, add QI to magnetic (and usb, for data transfer if you can't use wifi for some reason) but I see no downsides to providing magnetic.
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I agree that the USB port is the weak spot on a device, and will you bring up some good points I don't want to have both of them on my device I'd rather have one or the other but USB charging is more mainstream than the magnetic charging. I've only had my z3 for a few days and haven't gotten around to using the magnetic charging. Waitimg for the adpter in the mail.

Slow charging, for example overnight: Qi for comfort reasons, not cable attached and charging time doesn't matter
Very fast charging, for example "i got 5%, have to get out in 30minutes and got to make it through the day!": USB due to fastest charging times
Casual charging, for example "let's plug it in in the afternoon, my Z3 will make it through the night without any losses and through the next day": Magnetic charging
I don't want to wear out the USB port flap, so i bought the magnetic charging cable even before the Z3 arrived. I guess it will do in everyday usage, i'll have a look on the charging rates. If they're too slow for "power charging", i'll switch to USB.
However, a few months ago i only charged my phone over night. I would have loved to have Qi charging back then, so much better than to find out how to plug in the USB cable in complete darkness.

CentaXx said:
Slow charging, for example overnight: Qi for comfort reasons, not cable attached and charging time doesn't matter
Very fast charging, for example "i got 5%, have to get out in 30minutes and got to make it through the day!": USB due to fastest charging times
Casual charging, for example "let's plug it in in the afternoon, my Z3 will make it through the night without any losses and through the next day": Magnetic charging
I don't want to wear out the USB port flap, so i bought the magnetic charging cable even before the Z3 arrived. I guess it will do in everyday usage, i'll have a look on the charging rates. If they're too slow for "power charging", i'll switch to USB.
However, a few months ago i only charged my phone over night. I would have loved to have Qi charging back then, so much better than to find out how to plug in the USB cable in complete darkness.
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Some people claim the magnetic charging is faster than usb. I wouldn't know - i've only used usb to charge it once, and I was playing around with stamina mode at the time (for some reason stamina mode really slows down charging).

I wish this phone supported wireless charging! I charge with the Sony DK magnetic dock and it works well but can get a little finicky to get seated properly but I still prefer it to fiddling with those micro-USB connectors. I charge overnight 90% of the time and so even if wireless charging is slower that's fine with me. I'm ok having to plug in if I need a quicker charge when I forget to charge the night before, although with the Z3 that's not as big a deal because it's not too tough to stretch two days out of a charge with moderate use (on a bit of a limp towards the end of the second day).
This phone would be pretty close to perfect for me if it had wireless charging, a removable battery, and no ultra-slippery glass back (I really don't like the glass back!!).

I just slide the phone into the correct position no need to put in in a specific way. I have fixed the dock with double side tape all I need to find in the dark is the groove in the dock and slide the phone in place. As far as overnight charging is concerned I use the dock overnight without any problems. For the Nexus 6 the tylt vu dock its not a stable combo I mean it's really not sturdy any sort of vibration causes the Nexus 6 to detach so it's not the dock for overnight recharge.

I use qi chargers on samsung's phones and magnetic on Z ultra. Qi charger is very convenient and beside slow charging and heat disipation there is no minuses ( I have qi car charger from nokia and works well with all phones), magnetic charger is faster BUT you are still connected to a cable and the weak magnet is making the solution unusable in car. A COMBINATION OF THEM WILL BE THE PERFECT SOLUTION
P.S. Sony make some great accesories...why the h__l they did not made a magneting car dock I don't understand...
P.S.2 qi charger for moto 360 works like a charm....the best solution of all regarding smartwatch charging

[Q] best qi set up ?

Just wondering the best set up for qi, receiver and pad that work well together. Thanks guys

bazz7777777 said:
Just wondering the best set up for qi, receiver and pad that work well together. Thanks guys
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Technically, any receiver will work well with any charger. The thing you need to look for is a charger that can output 5V at 1A. Pretty much every charger will have that rating so it's hard to mess that one up. As far as the receiver goes, the higher the current output the better (measured in "ma"). And by "better" I mean the phone will charge faster. I have a 1A (1000ma) receiver in my Note 4. It charges pretty quickly, but interferes with NFC. Also, a higher current for a receiver typically means it will also be thicker, making the back of your phone bulge more.
Which charger and receiver are the most durable/well built is a much more difficult question to answer as there are so many to pick from. Just think about how you want to use it, do you want your phone tilted up at you while it's charging? Do you want a super grippy pad so your phone won't walk off the pad when it vibrates? Do you want it to be portable like the mobile pal 2 in 1? The best charger for you will be dependant on how you answer those questions.
Similar questions need to be asked for the receiver. Do you want it to work with NFC? Will you generally just use wireless charging to charge overnight? If so you can get away with a smaller, lower current receiver since you won't need quick charging. If you'll be charging throughout the day you'll want to get a receiver with a higher current rating.
Well, that answer was longer than I originally intended. But I hope it helps!

Thanks TM that's a lot to go on. But a lot of useful information

From my research online, the CHOETECH Stadium seems to be one of the best rated chargers (if you're not going for the official Samsung setup). I've ordered one and am awaiting its arrival, along with the FoneSalesman N4 SlimPWRCard.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00JA7HNZO
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OFKS66G
The CHOETECH Stadium has 3 coils as opposed to some chargers that only have one - from what I've read that makes for faster charging and less problems positioning the phone correctly. This is my first foray into wireless charging though, so I'm only repeating what I've read online, not speaking from experience

I use fonesalesman powercard, and my trusty Nokia Qi charger. The thing is you have to find the right spot for the Qi receiver and charger to line up, then it will charge as it should.

Please report backs kinsman when you get chance to try it out thanks

bazz7777777 said:
Please report backs kinsman when you get chance to try it out thanks
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Will do - but sorry, it might be the end of the month before I have a chance to test this all and report back, due to other commitments

I'm using a modified official wireless cover (removed guts) and the tylt vu. It works really well for me.

trussrules said:
I'm using a modified official wireless cover (removed guts) and the tylt vu. It works really well for me.
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That tylt stand looks nice

Kinsman-UK said:
Will do - but sorry, it might be the end of the month before I have a chance to test this all and report back, due to other commitments
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No problem

If anybody interested I went with this set up in the end. 3 coils in stand so works very well
Kosee Qi Smart Wireless Charging Cradle Stand for Samsung Galaxy Note 4 by Kosee http:/
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00OZQOK42/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_-sskvb0WEQSDV

bazz7777777 said:
If anybody interested I went with this set up in the end. 3 coils in stand so works very well
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Glad you got sorted out and it's working well. Just got the CHOETECH Stadium (which is also 3 coils) set up and the FoneSalesman N4 SlimPWRCard installed. So far very impressed - the card is unnoticeable except for that slight bulging below the flash, which isn't really visible at all in a case. You can basically 'throw' the phone down onto the charging pad without having to worry too much about positioning. So far I have only used the CHOETECH connected to a PC USB port, not a wall adapter, but even at that, with the phone powered on, I got 10% of charge in an hour (65%-75%). Expecting even better results tonight with the CHOETECH plugged into the Samsung charger and the phone off. In any case, it's great to have that trickle charge while you're sitting working at the computer, without having to plug in. Yay for wireless charging
EDIT: Got just over 10% in half an hour with the charger plugged into the Samsung adaptor, and charging through a UAG case. :good:
EDIT 2: Charged phone overnight from 1% to 100%, it took approximately 5 hours. Good thing is there were no beeps or sounds from either the phone or the charger, and no noticeable 'hum' from the charger either - so good for bedside usage

3 Coils Qi charging stand for the Note 4

I just bought a high quality Qi charging stand that I think would worth a shot at $35.99. I love its modern aluminum design and its large charging area with 3 coils. I tried it for several days and it works great and stable with my Note 5.
Here is the link: http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Char..._1_23?ie=UTF8&keywords=wireless+charger+stand
However, it needs an additional wireless receiver when charging my wife's Note 4. So make sure that your smartphone supports it before you splash out on a wireless charger, or you'll need to buy an extra wireless receiver or a case that enables wireless charging.

We have made a video review of this product here
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Nice stand works very well!

Michael Hill said:
I just bought a high quality Qi charging stand that I think would worth a shot at $35.99. I love its modern aluminum design and its large charging area with 3 coils. I tried it for several days and it works great and stable with my Note 5.
Here is the link: http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Char..._1_23?ie=UTF8&keywords=wireless+charger+stand
However, it needs an additional wireless receiver when charging my wife's Note 4. So make sure that your smartphone supports it before you splash out on a wireless charger, or you'll need to buy an extra wireless receiver or a case that enables wireless charging.
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Samsung is selling wireless charging cover for Note 4 on Amazon, http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Wireless-Charging-Cover-Galaxy/dp/B00OP5SAAI/
Little bit expensive, but it works great.

I ordered this for my Nexus 5. This wireless charger worked amazing with it. I think it's perfectly suited at the bedside or office. I would recommend it to anyone wanting to buy a great quality product.

hiteshonline said:
I ordered this for my Nexus 5. This wireless charger worked amazing with it. I think it's perfectly suited at the bedside or office. I would recommend it to anyone wanting to buy a great quality product.
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As for bedside use, I'm more into their wireless charger with lightning sensor, as the light can go off in the dark.
http://www.amazon.com/Lighting-Wire..._1_5?ie=UTF8&sr=8-5&keywords=wireless+charger

Does it really make sense to get a single coil or three coil? The coils effect the coverage of wireless charging area but do not effect the speed of charging, am I correct?

3 coils charger can charge with a wild area, nothing about charging speed.
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Got mine. So far so good. I can see myself using this charger for a long time to come. Thank you!

Wireless Charging & Cases
Has anyone tried to use the Samsung wireless charging back with a phone case and had it work? In other words, how much "stuff" can be between the coils and the receiver and maintain charging ability and speed?

HeyBeerManTX said:
Has anyone tried to use the Samsung wireless charging back with a phone case and had it work? In other words, how much "stuff" can be between the coils and the receiver and maintain charging ability and speed?
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I use it with the flexible TPU case. It works fine for me, no problems at all.
In fact, it even works for me with the Wireless charging SView case flipped back and placed between the charger and phone. That definitely leaves some gap between the phone and the charger.
What case are you thinking of?

If you're not in a hurry, it's worthwhile to keep an eye on chargers on eBay. I picked up a Keedox folding 3-coils charger for less than $20 (normally $35+) with a well-timed bid, and it's excellent. I also picked up two plastic Chinese 3-coils charging stands for $20 each. Those aren't as good, but they're good enough for my old S3 on my nightstand and my wife's S4.
I do NOT recommend getting charging receivers on eBay, though. Every one I tried from eBay failed within days. I ended up replacing them with receivers off Amazon.

How's the speed though? Been wanting to get a wireless charger but the thought of me waiting for a long time for it to charge is a turn off.

mha93 said:
How's the speed though? Been wanting to get a wireless charger but the thought of me waiting for a long time for it to charge is a turn off.
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It's slower than wired charging, of course, but when do you charge your phone? If you charge it overnight, then speed doesn't matter. And if your wireless charger is on your desk, it charges every time you set your phone down. That beats the pants off "Doze" in Marshmallow.
If you need a quick charge, just unplug the cord from the charger and plug it into your phone. I never need to do that, myself.

Fast wireless qi back cover or pad... Does it exist for our phones?

Looking for a back cover OR a qi "pad" that fits inside the phone that ALSO takes advantage of fast charging qi. Not the standard rate of wireless charging. Thanks

I haven't seen anything but cheap stuff. Perhaps phone doesn't support fast charging via those contacts on the back. Also I don't see anyone developing such a thing for an outdated phone.

The Note 4 doesn't support Fast Charging on wireless charger. If you do put it on a Wireless Fast Charging pad, it will charge at normal speed. I actually tried this with a Samsung wireless Fast Charging pad and a Samsung Note 4 S-view case made for wireless charging. In order to use wireless charging on the Note 4, you have to have a case or battery cover that supports wireless charging. Or, you can get one of the wireless charging receivers available on Amazon, eBay or elsewhere. I haven't tried one of the receivers, though a friend did. He had mixed luck getting it to charge at regular speed. Apparently not all receivers are made accurately enough to touch the necessary contracts on the case and phone.

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S-view case + fast charge pad
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How does the combo Fast charge Samsung pad and S-View wireless combo work together? I mean, does it heat up the phone and how fast does it approximately charge? Thanks.

The one of the wireless chargers I use made the phone too hot for my liking. The other one seemed to work fine. Haven't tried the Samsun ones. I had a wireless charging pad initially on the back of my phone, but I popped the back off enough times and it always felt like it was bulging out a little, so gave the old s-view case to a friend, and bought the one where it was integrated. Works great. But yeah, I don't think it supports the fast charging.

I've using this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/301400816942?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT, for over a month. I'm using it with a "normal" samsung reciever, it works well, the phone doesn't get too hot, but the charging speed is far from fast charging, so, it is more like a gimmick.

terrancze said:
How does the combo Fast charge Samsung pad and S-View wireless combo work together? I mean, does it heat up the phone and how fast does it approximately charge? Thanks.
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It works well. Not fast, but it also doesn't heat up the phone. That's the reason I got it. I didn't really time it, but I would expect it to charge at the standard 1 Amp/hr. So, about 3-4 hours if the phone was totally dead. I got it because my phone was over-heating with the fast charger that came with it. I got my charger as an open box at my local Microcenter. However, Amazon has them for around $20-50, depending on if it's the Fast charger or the standard one. One thing I would look at carefully is whether the Samsung wireless chargers at Amazon are real OEM Samsung, or fake. The wireless S-view case I got came from Amazon. It was in Samsung retail packaging and sealed. It was around $31.50 and new. Fortunately I got it with Amazon Prime shipping for free shipping. I just checked, though, and the prices have gone up to over $40. There is one for $33-$34. Another possibility is buying the "battery charging system." It is basically a battery charging case, a new battery and a carrying case for your spare battery. I got it from Sprint for around $25 + tax. The shipping was free. You have to use your own charger with it. It seems less likely to overheat. It has been better for me to have the extra battery. I think I mentioned that I had gotten my Note 4 replaced under TEP, as it was over-heating. I think it was that particular phone that hated the first update to MM. OTOH, my replacement Note 4 has been very happy on PG1, which was on it when I got it. I usually make it through the day with a charge left on the battery I started with. I carry my spare in case. It hasn't overheated. I am hesitant to use Fast Charging, if I don't have to. I believe Fast Charging is more apt to overheat the phone and battery, and probably shorten the life of the battery, if not the phone as well.

are all the s-view cases supporting Qi charging? how can I tell if one does before I buy it? how many contact pins will it have?
thanks!

I use the following 3rd party Qi charging back, and although it is a tight fit, it seems to work well and says it supports 650ma output via the charging pins. It also says that it supports s-view function, but I don't have a s-view case to test with.
Again it is a tight fit, but if you put it on from the bottom first, it can be massaged on.
https://www.amazon.com/H-ber-Portab...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=GHAAGMSYBCFYFHBARHR7

Question heat in case/ wireless charging

Hi.
Is there any notice of heat build up when wireless charging ? I got an otterbox defender case so its a little thick/ insulating.
I looked at the Samsung wireless charger and it has a builtin cooling fan....So if the mfgr wireless charger has a cooling fan, is the heat buildup a problem? A problem source?
BTW, it is a yootech 10w wireless charger and the phone says it charges faster through the wireless charger than it does through the USB cord powering the wireless charger.
THANKS !

i've been using a Pleson 'fast' wireless charger for years with my GS8+ and now with my GS21+ and while there can be times when the phone is warm to the touch i've never had a problem. I have a Quad Lock case on the device which is a pretty thick back. FWIW I also use the charger on my work-assigned GS20FE w/o issue.

I've put a Vanguard rubber case on my phone. and I'm using Samsung Wireless Charging Powerbank for wireless charging. Yes, the phone warm up while charging. It is a20 watt charger and so far, the only charger that shows "Fast Charging" while charging wirelessly. For wired charging, the fastest charger I've used so far is the 65 Watt Lenovo Laptop charger that comes with my Yoga Laptop. 0 to 50 in just 45 mins. But I got the 2nd fastest charger from a totally unexpected place. It is from IKEA. Yes, IKEA also now making fast chargers. I've bought a 23 watt USB-C + USB-A dual charger with PD 3.0 and it charges pretty fast. at least 1% per minute.

Alright thanks. I havent noticed any warming when using a wired charger...of course it isnt the the new super fast charging plug.

teerout said:
Alright thanks. I havent noticed any warming when using a wired charger...of course it isnt the the new super fast charging plug.
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Wireless adds unnecessary heat and right where you least want it, inside the phone.
If you increase the gap (a case) between coils it may create more waste heat than a coupling that is closer. Air core transformers aren't very efficient.
I never use wireless but do use fast charging.