I sure hope so. I can't have a phone without root. Unfortunately I'm stuck with verizon....
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I assume it will be exactly the same as G4 in terms of root/BL.
How can we know now though? Too early to know.
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tabp0le said:
I assume it will be exactly the same as G4 in terms of root/BL.
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which was what.. seems like some G4s have root
jaladhjin said:
which was what.. seems like some G4s have root
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Unfortunately only the intl variants and tmobile have unlocked bootloader which is required for root in android 6.0+
Have you guys heard the Unlocked LG G5 has all Major USA Bands?
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/03/18/unlocked-lg-g5-gsm-cdma/
any update on bootloader
krazie1 said:
Have you guys heard the Unlocked LG G5 has all Major USA Bands?
http://www.droid-life.com/2016/03/18/unlocked-lg-g5-gsm-cdma/
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The discussion is about an unlocked bootloader, not an unlocked carrier situation.
If an unlocked boot loader version existed, it would be called a developer version and it wouldn't be likely to be picked up in large enough numbers to see much real public development.
Basically, it will most likely be MONTHS before you see a leak or hack to unlock the boot loader if EVER. It will be a long time before you even see root if the G4 and V10 (just got root very recently) are anything to go by.
Since mobile device payments have become all the rage, carriers and device manufactures are extra motivated to lock down their devices. The Galaxy S7 and S7 edge (same processor as the G5) are so locked down (even on T-mobile) using Qualcomms secure boot methods that it does a check to verify the main partition before it loads the contents to memory meaning a root can only be done temporarily (live rooted) if an exploit is ever found and will have to be rerooted every reboot. Android developers are going to have to struggle with qualcomm devices especially to develop into the the future.
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The discussion is about an unlocked bootloader, not an unlocked carrier situation.
If an unlocked boot loader version existed, it would be called a developer version and it wouldn't be likely to be picked up in large enough numbers to see much real public development.
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If the G5 is carrier unlocked, then wouldn't we simply be able to purchase a T-Mobile variant, get it unlocked, and then use it with a Verizon Sim?
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If the G5 is carrier unlocked, then wouldn't we simply be able to purchase a T-Mobile variant, get it unlocked, and then use it with a Verizon Sim?
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As long as you don't mind paying full price or carrying a second contract and T-Mobile agrees to unlock it. Hopefully development would still be decent with just the t-mobile variant.
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If the G5 is carrier unlocked, then wouldn't we simply be able to purchase a T-Mobile variant, get it unlocked, and then use it with a Verizon Sim?
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Unfortunately Verizon is very strict on what devices can be activated with one of their SIMs. Most likely they would block a Tmobile or international variant on their network. This is the case with the G4 already.
We got root on the V10, not an unlocked bootloader though (yet). Here's to hoping we can get at least root on the G5 in the same manner...need those magic TOT files!
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We got root on the V10, not an unlocked bootloader though (yet). Here's to hoping we can get at least root on the G5 in the same manner...need those magic TOT files!
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We will need more than the TOT file to root the G5. Starting with Android 6.0, Google made changes so that root requires a modified kernel. Changes to system.img will not be enough. Since this involves tampering with the boot.img, the locked bootloader will prevent the phone from booting at all.
Here's hoping we don't have a repeat of the G4 or V10 when it comes to locked bootloaders.
Should I not update my device to keep it as developer friendly as possible (I am preordering it)
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As long as you don't mind paying full price or carrying a second contract and T-Mobile agrees to unlock it. Hopefully development would still be decent with just the t-mobile variant.
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Or not having 3g CDMA where there's no LTE.
Anyone working on a root method yet?
This is bull crap why does tmo get a unlocked bl and not everyone else?
Why are people so afraid of it? Just let us enter our serial and we download a program. We void our warranty but how bout you let us take thst risk!?
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:crying::crying:None of LG G5 variants have an unlockable bootloader!! This is due primarily to Google agreements with various credit card providers for Android "Tap and Pay" feature to be used!! Other variants, like T-Mobile, will have an "OEM Unlock" feature in developer options!! This will "carrier unlock" the carrier restriction so the phone can go to different "lesser or smaller" cell providers!! Verizon for example has a strict policy on activation of mobile devices on their network!! A non-Verizon G5 will not activate on their network at this time!! With all the security measures, LG's custom locked bootloader with kernel verify, rooting will be unlikely!!:crying::crying: While a "recovery" is available, without root permissions to flash or push the image, it's just a file on the computer!!
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There are guys in the T-Mobile forum who have successfully unlocked their bootloader . I just picked up the g5 today. It's working well so far . how good is LG with updates ?
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soundgirl101 said:
:crying::crying:None of LG G5 variants have an unlockable bootloader!! This is due primarily to Google agreements with various credit card providers for Android "Tap and Pay" feature to be used!! Other variants, like T-Mobile, will have an "OEM Unlock" feature in developer options!! This will "carrier unlock" the carrier restriction so the phone can go to different "lesser or smaller" cell providers!! Verizon for example has a strict policy on activation of mobile devices on their network!! A non-Verizon G5 will not activate on their network at this time!! With all the security measures, LG's custom locked bootloader with kernel verify, rooting will be unlikely!!:crying::crying: While a "recovery" is available, without root permissions to flash or push the image, it's just a file on the computer!!
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That is NOT what the OEM Unlock function does at all.
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Here's what I got. ATT LG G3 running stock Marshmallow D85030p with what I presume is the newest security patch (June 2016)
At this point it's not on a carrier but it's locked by ATT. They kept my number as well.. A number that was mine from previous carriers.
Will I be able to root, install TWRP, and unlock this device to use on a prepaid carrier? Keep in mind this same phone has been flashed, rooted and ran recovery mods and ROMs before. Still in perfect working condition after receiving it's last stock OTA.
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Here's what I got. ATT LG G3 running stock Marshmallow D85030p with what I presume is the newest security patch (June 2016)
At this point it's not on a carrier but it's locked by ATT. They kept my number as well.. A number that was mine from previous carriers.
Will I be able to root, install TWRP, and unlock this device to use on a prepaid carrier? Keep in mind this same phone has been flashed, rooted and ran recovery mods and ROMs before. Still in perfect working condition after receiving it's last stock OTA.
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First of all what do you mean they kept your number? Did you cancel? Unpaid bill? That would be a deciding factor on how to go about things.
But no root cannot unlock your device
1. If you left AT&T in good standing AT&T will unlock the device for free. Even if you don't have any account.
2. If not then you can get it unlocked for a few dollars from some eBay sellers.
3. What prepaid carrier? If Any provider that runs on AT&Ts network you don't have to get it unlocked, it will work fine with Go Phone, Cricket , H2O and many others that run on AT&Ts network.
But a note if it's no longer on AT&T due to unpaid bill, or on bad terms remember the device may no longer work on any GSM carrier within the USA due to AT&T will blacklist it.
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First of all what do you mean they kept your number? Did you cancel? Unpaid bill? That would be a deciding factor on how to go about things.
But no root cannot unlock your device
1. If you left AT&T in good standing AT&T will unlock the device for free. Even if you don't have any account.
2. If not then you can get it unlocked for a few dollars from some eBay sellers.
3. What prepaid carrier? If Any provider that runs on AT&Ts network you don't have to get it unlocked, it will work fine with Go Phone, Cricket , H2O and many others that run on AT&Ts network.
But a note if it's no longer on AT&T due to unpaid bill, or on bad terms remember the device may no longer work on any GSM carrier within the USA due to AT&T will blacklist it.
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I understand root alone won't unlock it. With all that being said can I still root and flash a recovery method that are permanent? Does MM still not have a reliable root or recovery method?
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I understand root alone won't unlock it. With all that being said can I still root and flash a recovery method that are permanent? Does MM still not have a reliable root or recovery method?
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You would need to downgrade to KitKat to do that. But remember once you downgrade you'll no longer be able to go back to any official firmware Past KitKat without an AT&T SIM card of some sort to ota update it.
Also remember if you get an unlock code you need to be running stock D850 firmware or else you won't be able to enter the unlock code.
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You would need to downgrade to KitKat to do that. But remember once you downgrade you'll no longer be able to go back to any official firmware Past KitKat without an AT&T SIM card of some sort to ota update it.
Also remember if you get an unlock code you need to be running stock D850 firmware or else you won't be able to enter the unlock code.
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Are there any unofficial MM or Lollipop ROMs that are worth looking into? I couldn't care less if it's official honestly. And that last bit you said, you mean if I wanted a phone unlocked I'd have to basically wipe my phone?
jlgarr86 said:
Are there any unofficial MM or Lollipop ROMs that are worth looking into? I couldn't care less if it's official honestly. And that last bit you said, you mean if I wanted a phone unlocked I'd have to basically wipe my phone?
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If you unlock before you leave behind stock then no you don't have to wipe. Once you install any custom ROM, your only option to unlock at that point is to revert back to stock, which means wiping.
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If you unlock before you leave behind stock then no you don't have to wipe. Once you install any custom ROM, your only option to unlock at that point is to revert back to stock, which means wiping.
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Can I unlock it myself?
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Can I unlock it myself?
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Yes you can, if you are on stock. You will need to get the unlock code from AT&T, be on stock firmware, and have an active SIM card from another carrier (I.e. T-Mobile or of it's MVNOs like MetroPCS). Once you have the unlock code, put in the SIM card, turn on the phone, and you will get the prompts for the code you got. Then you're done.
So on motorola.com they offer the Moto Z4 Unlocked and the Moto Z4 Verizon. Is it possible to unlock the bootloader on the unlocked version? I know Verizon locks down all phones. and is it possible to use the carrier unlocked version on Verizon? I know some of the old phones didn't have the correct band to work with Verizon's network but things change and Verizon is now offering bring your own device now.
I'm still rocking the Z force with the shatterproof screen is there any news if Motorola going to bring it back on any new phone?
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So on motorola.com they offer the Moto Z4 Unlocked and the Moto Z4 Verizon. Is it possible to unlock the bootloader on the unlocked version? I know Verizon locks down all phones. and is it possible to use the carrier unlocked version on Verizon? I know some of the old phones didn't have the correct band to work with Verizon's network but things change and Verizon is now offering bring your own device now.
I'm still rocking the Z force with the shatterproof screen is there any news if Motorola going to bring it back on any new phone?
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You can indeed unlock the BL on the unlocked model, and I do believe it is compatible with VZW, however, the Unlocked model won't work with the Verizon 5G Moto mod, even if its on Verizons network. I believe only the VZW model will work with the 5g mod...
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You can indeed unlock the BL on the unlocked model, and I do believe it is compatible with VZW, however, the Unlocked model won't work with the Verizon 5G Moto mod, even if its on Verizons network. I believe only the VZW model will work with the 5g mod...
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I'm in Los Angeles so its going to be some time before the 5G is up and running here. I'm more interested in the bootloader part of it and if it has band 13 working?
Moto z⁴ unlocked $499.99 connectivity Networks + bands
LTE:B1/B2/B3/B4/B7/B8/B12/B13/B17/B18/B19/B20/B25/B26/B28/B30/B38/B40/B41/B41HPUE/B66/B71
UMTS: B1/B2/B4/B5/B8
CDMA: BC0/BC1/BC10
GSM: B2/B3/B5/B8
CDMA: BC0/BC1/BC10
GSM: B2/B3/B5/B8
looks like it is compatible on Verizon and AT&T B13 and B17 now i just need proof of bootloader unlocked :fingers-crossed:
Z4 unlocked version on Verizon here, works fine.
I mentioned this in another thread - I did successfully get a bootloader unlock code from the Moto site, but haven't actually done the unlock yet.
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Z4 unlocked version on Verizon here, works fine.
I mentioned this in another thread - I did successfully get a bootloader unlock code from the Moto site, but haven't actually done the unlock yet.
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Thank you its still a fairly new phone but you would think there should be more info on it. if you ever do unlock it can you post a video please.
I have ordered the phone from Motorola, looking very much forward to using this phone with a custom Rom like LineageOS so I am hoping the Rom support will soon pick up. Here is a good walkthrough I found for unlocking the bootloader.
https://myphoneupdate.com/unlock-bootloader-motorola-moto-z4/
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I have ordered the phone from Motorola, looking very much forward to using this phone with a custom Rom like LineageOS so I am hoping the Rom support will soon pick up. Here is a good walkthrough I found for unlocking the bootloader.
https://myphoneupdate.com/unlock-bootloader-motorola-moto-z4/
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very cool keep us posted when you unlock bootloader please :good:
Noob question. I'm still on my old Note 3 but looking at possibly upgrading to the z4. Don't you have to root the phone before you can unlock the bootloader?
shallmann said:
Noob question. I'm still on my old Note 3 but looking at possibly upgrading to the z4. Don't you have to root the phone before you can unlock the bootloader?
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No its the other way around its easier to root the phone after you unlock the bootloader. To root your Android phone (i.e. gain administrative access), you'll need to unlock your bootloader first.
Marco0070 said:
Moto z⁴ unlocked $499.99 connectivity Networks + bands
LTE:B1/B2/B3/B4/B7/B8/B12/B13/B17/B18/B19/B20/B25/B26/B28/B30/B38/B40/B41/B41HPUE/B66/B71
UMTS: B1/B2/B4/B5/B8
CDMA: BC0/BC1/BC10
GSM: B2/B3/B5/B8
CDMA: BC0/BC1/BC10
GSM: B2/B3/B5/B8
looks like it is compatible on Verizon and AT&T B13 and B17 now i just need proof of bootloader unlocked :fingers-crossed:
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I just bought the moto z4 on Verizon. I was surprised to find that the allow bootloader access wasn't blocked or removed from the developer menu and it was already switched on.
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No its the other way around its easier to root the phone after you unlock the bootloader. To root your Android phone (i.e. gain administrative access), you'll need to unlock your bootloader first.
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Thanks for your reply. It was backwards with Samsung. In fact for a while I was rooted but couldn't unlock the bootloader.
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I just bought the moto z4 on Verizon. I was surprised to find that the allow bootloader access wasn't blocked or removed from the developer menu and it was already switched on.
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That doesn't really do anything especially on the verizon model. On the unlocked carrier version you need to switch that on then unlock the bootloader with a code that motorola gives you.
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Thanks for your reply. It was backwards with Samsung. In fact for a while I was rooted but couldn't unlock the bootloader.
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That is true with a lot of phones but that's a temporary root or a hacked root. Verizon doesn't like their phones to be rooted or bootloader unlocked so they send "security" updates to patch root access to phones that developers found hacks to gain root access to. But if the bootloader is unlocked they can't patch that so you can remove root update your phone then root it again very easily.
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You can indeed unlock the BL on the unlocked model, and I do believe it is compatible with VZW, however, the Unlocked model won't work with the Verizon 5G Moto mod, even if its on Verizons network. I believe only the VZW model will work with the 5g mod...
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actually called VZW about this a couple weeks back, tier 1 guy went "uhh, hold a sec, I'll get you to tier 2" tier 2 "good question, i need to ask network and provisioning" the eventual answer was yes they will work.
The only problem i can see, is from what i understand, moto mods are hit and miss with custom roms, so stock will be fine, custom depends.
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I just bought the moto z4 on Verizon. I was surprised to find that the allow bootloader access wasn't blocked or removed from the developer menu and it was already switched on.
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That's a negative here on my end. Verizon z4 and everything was good until I entered the code from fastboot into the field on the moto website; says "your device cannot be unlocked". love verizon.
I have a brand new Z4 XT1980-3 that I just unlocked (bootloader unlock). The only problem with this model is that WiFi calling and Video calling are not possible on Verizon. Apparently they don't support those features on the XT1980-3. Those features are only available on the Verizon version (XT1980-4). So now that I'm bootloader unlocked, can I just flash the XT1980-4 firmware on the phone? Is that even possible? And will it enable the advanced calling features? I already downloaded the May 2019 firmware from here: https://www.getdroidtips.com/motoro...e-and-firmware-collections-back-to-stock-rom/
Just want to make sure it's safe to flash, and if it will in fact enable WiFi and video calling on the Verizon network. Thanks!
Got it figured out. Enjoy:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z4/help/verizon-volte-wi-fi-calling-support-t3940664
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Got it figured out. Enjoy:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z4/help/verizon-volte-wi-fi-calling-support-t3940664
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Can't wait to see it working
Hi guys, I am hoping I can get some help since I am needing to get a 5g phone on T-Mobile and root it to tether with. And since I am adding a line, I could take advantage of their half-off deals, but I need to know if there are any 5g phones on T-Mobile that will let me root it while it is technically still locked to their service. I know when I rooted a phone earlier this year it was just assumed that it needed to be carrier unlocked first, so it's hard to go look at individual phone forums and see if their unlock methods would work for me or not. Is it possible for any of their offerings to be rooted while still be locked to the carrier?
Thanks in advanced.
One of the phones T-Mobile sells with 5G is the OnePlus 8...
Nate Rules said:
Hi guys, I am hoping I can get some help since I am needing to get a 5g phone on T-Mobile and root it to tether with. And since I am adding a line, I could take advantage of their half-off deals, but I need to know if there are any 5g phones on T-Mobile that will let me root it while it is technically still locked to their service. I know when I rooted a phone earlier this year it was just assumed that it needed to be carrier unlocked first, so it's hard to go look at individual phone forums and see if their unlock methods would work for me or not. Is it possible for any of their offerings to be rooted while still be locked to the carrier?
Thanks in advanced.
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All that really matters is if the device has an unlocked bootloader or, at least, a bootloader that can, in fact, be unlocked using a known/proven method for that exact device.
Devices that have an unlocked/unlockable bootloader can easily root using the Magisk method and/or TWRP, but, not all devices have TWRP available to them. But, the Magisk method works for most devices, provided that they have an unlocked bootloader.
Yes, it can be locked to a carrier and still be rooted. When you see guides discussing unlocking a device in order to root the device, they are not referring to carrier unlocking the device in order to root, they are referring to unlocking the bootloader, which must be done in order to make modifications(such as rooting) to the system software.
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I'm thinking about buying a Google Pixel 3 XL on Amazon, it's renewed. It is factory unlocked and I was wondering if it means it can be OEM unlocked. Does factory unlocked mean it doesn't come with a carrier?
Factory Unlocked means it's unlocked for all carriers.
xXx yYy said:
Factory Unlocked means it's unlocked for all carriers.
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Thank you, so that means no blocking of OEM unlock?
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Factory Unlocked means it's unlocked for all carriers.
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Because I heard Verizon blocks OEM unlocking.
Factory Unlocked ( read: device without network/SIM lock ) and OEM Unlock ( read: device's bootloader is unlocked ) are completely different things, they don't relate.
Whether the phone in question can get OEM unlocked or not I don't know: I don't own such a device.
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Factory Unlocked ( read: device without network/SIM lock ) and OEM Unlock ( read: device's bootloader is unlocked ) are completely different things, they don't relate.
Whether the phone in question can get OEM unlocked or not I don't know: I don't own such a device.
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So factory unlocked doesn't have a carrier and can choose any or not have any?
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Factory Unlocked ( read: device without network/SIM lock ) and OEM Unlock ( read: device's bootloader is unlocked ) are completely different things, they don't relate.
Whether the phone in question can get OEM unlocked or not I don't know: I don't own such a device.
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Google Pixels on Verizon can't be bootloader unlocked, I want to make sure I don't get Verizon. Factory Unlocked mean you don't have any, right?
ATBG said:
Google Pixels on Verizon can't be bootloader unlocked, I want to make sure I don't get Verizon. Factory Unlocked meand you don't have any, right?
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Factory unlocked means it is SIM/Carrier unlocked so that the device can be used on any carrier network. This has nothing to do with OEM unlocking.
OEM unlock only applies to unlocking the bootloader so that the software on the device can be modified or install custom software.
Verizon blocks OEM unlock on all of its devices, you can't unlock the bootloader on Verizon devices, this means you can't use Magisk, TWRP, custom ROMs and you can't modify the software on the device.
Do you understand the difference now? If you want to be able to root a device or install TWRP and custom ROMs, do not buy a Verizon device because you will not be able to do these things on a Verizon device. Don't waste your money on a Verizon device.
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Factory unlocked means it is SIM/Carrier unlocked so that the device can be used on any carrier network. This has nothing to do with OEM unlocking.
OEM unlock only applies to unlocking the bootloader so that the software on the device can be modified or install custom software.
Verizon blocks OEM unlock on all of its devices, you can't unlock the bootloader on Verizon devices, this means you can't use Magisk, TWRP, custom ROMs and you cant modify the software on the device.
Do you understand the difference now? If you want to be able to root a device or install TWRP and custom ROMs, do not buy a Verizon device because you will not be able to these things on a Verizon device. Don't waste your money on a Verizon device.
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Okay, so factory unlocked means no Verizon?
Droidriven said:
Factory unlocked means it is SIM/Carrier unlocked so that the device can be used on any carrier network. This has nothing to do with OEM unlocking.
OEM unlock only applies to unlocking the bootloader so that the software on the device can be modified or install custom software.
Verizon blocks OEM unlock on all of its devices, you can't unlock the bootloader on Verizon devices, this means you can't use Magisk, TWRP, custom ROMs and you cant modify the software on the device.
Do you understand the difference now? If you want to be able to root a device or install TWRP and custom ROMs, do not buy a Verizon device because you will not be able to these things on a Verizon device. Don't waste your money on a Verizon device.
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I understand.
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Okay, so factory unlocked means no Verizon?
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No, Verizon may offer factory unlocked devices, but, that only means the device can be used on non-Verizon networks, it does not mean that it can be rooted, customized, modified or use custom software.
All devices have a bootloader, whether they are factory unlocked or not, the bootloader has nothing to do with "factory unlocked" and whether the bootloader is unlocked or not has nothing to do with "factory unlocked" and has nothing to do with whether or not a device has a bootloader. We are talking about two different kinds of "unlock" and they each have nothing to do with the other, they are each, their own specific purposes. "Factory unlocked" applies to the network(s) a device can be used on, "OEM unlock" applies to what software is allowed to be used on the device itself. You are confusing the two of them and associating them to each other in a way that is not correct, separate the two ideas in your head and understand each of them alone, without the other.
If you want a device that you can root and modify or use TWRP and custom ROMs on it, DO NOT BUY A VERIZON DEVICE. None of these can be done on Verizon devices unless you go all the way back to using devices such as a Verizon Galaxy S3 or S4 or older devices. Everything that Verizon has sold since the Galaxy S5 era has been bootloader locked to prevent root and custom software modifications.
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No, Verizon may offer factory unlocked devices, but, that only means the device can be used on non-Verizon networks, it does not mean that it can be rooted, customized, modified or use custom software.
If you want a device that you can root and modify or use TWRP and custom ROMs on it, DO NOT BUY A VERIZON DEVICE. None of these can be done on Verizon devices unless you go all the way back devices such as a Verizon Galaxy S3 or S4 or older devices. Everything that Verizon has sold since the Galaxy S5 era has been bootloader locked to prevent root and custom software modifications.
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How do I make sure it's not Verizon?
ATBG said:
How do I make sure it's not Verizon?
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By not buying a device that is branded by Verizon, sold by Verizon or has a Verizon model number. Do a search using the model number, if it is a Verizon model number, your search results will show that it is Verizon. All or most of the US versions of Pixel devices for the different US carriers(i.e. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc...) are bootloader locked, buy directly from Google or by an international version of pixel with an international model number.
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By not buying a device that is branded by Verizon, sold by Verizon or has a Verizon model number. Do a search using the model number, if it is a Verizon model number, your search results will show that it is Verizon. All or most of the US versions of Pixel devices for the different US carriers(i.e. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc...) are bootloader locked, buy directly from Google or by an international version of pixel with an international model number.
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What about OnePlus devices? I found a OnePlus 7 Pro, I kinda want to use OnePlus instead. Does Verizon lock OnePlus too?
ATBG said:
What about OnePlus devices? I found a OnePlus 7 Pro, I kinda want to use OnePlus instead. Does Verizon lock OnePlus too?
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What are you trying to do? What kind of "unlocked" are you looking for?
Do you want a device that is SIM/Carrier unlocked (also known as "factory unlocked") so that it can be used on a different network than it was "made" for?
Or do you want a device that has an unlocked bootloader or has a bootloader that can be unlocked by using the "OEM unlock" in order to root the device, install TWRP and custom ROMs or otherwise modify the stock software?
If you want a device that can be used on any network, you're looking for any kind of "factory unlocked" device. Many different carrier branded devices can be factory unlocked but I know that Verizon does not like allowing this on their devices.
If you're looking for something that can be customized and can use custom software, you are locking for a device that has an unlocked bootloader or at least a bootloader that can be unlocked via the "OEM unlock" setting or via fastboot commands, then, you do not want any kind of Verizon device, as in, NONE OF THEM. Stop asking about Verizon devices because I'm sure a Verizon device will not allow whatever it is you're wanting to do. Stop considering Verizon branded devices/model numbers. Stay away from Verizon devices, you'll only be wasting your money on a device that you will not be able to do anything with except use the device on their network using only the software that they install/allow.
Please stop beating your head against the wall, it isn't going to give or miraculously change into the answer that you "want" it to be.
Droidriven said:
What are you trying to do? What kind of "unlocked" are you looking for?
Do you want a device that is SIM/Carrier unlocked (also known as "factory unlocked") so that it can be used on a different network than it was "made" for?
Or do you want a device that has an unlocked bootloader or has a bootloader that can be unlocked by using the "OEM unlock" in order to root the device, install TWRP and custom ROMs or otherwise modify the stock software?
If you want a device that can be used on any network, you're looking for any kind of "factory unlocked" device. Many different carrier branded devices can be factory unlocked but I know that Verizon does not like allowing this on their devices.
If you're looking for something that can be customized and can use custom software, you are locking for a device that has an unlocked bootloader or at least a bootloader that can be unlocked via the "OEM unlock" setting or via fastboot commands, then, you do not want any kind of Verizon device, as in, NONE OF THEM. Stop asking about Verizon devices because I'm sure a Verizon device will not allow whatever it is you're wanting to do. Stop considering Verizon branded devices/model numbers. Stay away from Verizon devices, you'll only be wasting your money on a device that you will not be able to do anything with except use the device on their network using only the software that they install/allow.
Please stop beating your head against the wall, it isn't going to give or miraculously change into the answer that you "want" it to be.
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Okay, I understand now. I choose OnePlus now instead of Google since I want a fully de-Googled experience.
ATBG said:
Okay, I understand now. I choose OnePlus now instead of Google since I want a fully de-Googled experience.
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As long as it isn't a Verizon model of OnePlus.
Droidriven said:
As long as it isn't a Verizon model of OnePlus.
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I chose the Google Pixel 3a XL and it said it was international. That's good, right?
ATBG said:
I chose the Google Pixel 3a XL and it said it was international. That's good, right?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Thank you for helping me, man.
I have a new XT2113-2 (TM) that is yet to be boot loader unlocked/rooted/etc. I don't want to do that until I am sure. I got this variant of the phone so I could unlock the bootloader, root, TWRP, etc and was afraid the "global" variant -3 might not work with USA 5G. The phone came with Android 11 installed (and has since auto-installed at least one security update). It shows the build as RZKS31.Q3-45-16-3-11 and the baseband ends with Kiev_TMO_CUST. I am using it on ATT (via Red Pocket) since TM service just sucks where I live. And I do get the 5G icon on it now.
But ideally, I want to get this to the original TM Android 10, which I think is shown here as the file XT2113-2_KIEV_TMO_10_QZKS30.Q4-40-95-6_subsidy-TMO_SPR_RSU_QCOM_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip as I hope it will undo some of the "security" crap Google has added to Android with each successive release.
So I need to be sure of the following:
1. Can I downgrade from 11 to 10?
2. Is there some reason to NOT use the firmware mentioned above? Should I use retail US (RETUS) instead? I am not sure the differences (it would be great if that would permit me to use this phone on Red Pocket Verizon but the IMEI now shows as incompatible on Verizon).
3. Must I unlock the boot loader to downgrade? I know I must to do other stuff and I have the unlock code on hand and ready to put it if needed. If I must unlock the boot loader to downgrade, will I have to re-unlock it afterwards? And, if so, will I have to go through the same process of getting a code or will the code I have now work?
4. How do I flash to do the downgrade? I have the Lenovo Rescue/Smart Assistant installed on my PC and was able to download the stock firmware (I assume it matches what is on there now) and stashed it aside. But is there some other tool needed?
5. Once I achieve downgrade, what is the best way to avoid having the thing auto-update to Android 11?
Thanks for your help with these questions.
If you are going to take this phone to AT&T, you will not get 5G if you unlock the bootloader. The NR band will be restricted. Downgrading from 11 to 10 generally doesn't work either.
I can't answer the rest of your questions.
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If you are going to take this phone to AT&T, you will not get 5G if you unlock the bootloader. The NR band will be restricted. Downgrading from 11 to 10 generally doesn't work either.
I can't answer the rest of your questions.
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Thanks for this response. I do have it on ATT (via Red Pocket) now and it does appear to get 5G now. I have not yet unlocked the bootloader, was thinking to do it, but considering that it would cause loss of 5G I think I will not and will just return the phone. Wow!
RETIEF said:
If you are going to take this phone to AT&T, you will not get 5G if you unlock the bootloader. The NR band will be restricted. Downgrading from 11 to 10 generally doesn't work either.
I can't answer the rest of your questions.
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BTW - have you any references on this behavior? I am wondering if this is something that would affect ALL phones with unlocked boot loaders (like Pixel, OnePlus, etc). Thanks for the heads-up.
WARNING: ONLY DO THAT IF YOU ARE REALLY SURE AND DO BE CAREFULLY. I recommend you: do it not.
By downgrading to an older software, the bootloader in many cases can be destroyed, so your phone is completly bricked!
I write this from EXPERIENCE. My amazon fire is completed bricked, when i have flash a older SYSTEM. It can't turn on, no fastboot, no recovery!
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BTW - have you any references on this behavior? I am wondering if this is something that would affect ALL phones with unlocked boot loaders (like Pixel, OnePlus, etc). Thanks for the heads-up.
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I suspect, but don't know, that all phones with unlocked bootloaders are blocked from 5g from AT&T. I know my kiev (RETUS) is.
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I suspect, but don't know, that all phones with unlocked bootloaders are blocked from 5g from AT&T. I know my kiev (RETUS) is.
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Thanks. Yet another reason to dislike ATT, I guess. Sadly, in my area TM coverage stinks. And this phone will not work on Verizon (unclear why but they reject the IMEI). And getting the Verizon variant will preclude ever rooting the thing. So I really feel trapped!
Likewise
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I suspect, but don't know, that all phones with unlocked bootloaders are blocked from 5g from AT&T. I know my kiev (RETUS) is.
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I always figured it was this
English Community-Lenovo Community
as my IMEI SV on the Metro/TMO variant is 05 rather than 07. Never tested with a locked bootloader though.
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BTW - have you any references on this behavior? I am wondering if this is something that would affect ALL phones with unlocked boot loaders (like Pixel, OnePlus, etc). Thanks for the heads-up.
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Bootloader unlocked Pixels work fine on ATT 5G, don't know about OnePlus.