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People who are having Lag issues

People who are having lag issues, please share how you migrated your old data or did you start fresh. Who is your provider and are you using an aftermarket launcher as well.
We need to find the common denominator. It seems only a few with lag.

I used smart switch to transfer a lot over no lag at all
Sent from my SM-G955U using XDA-Developers Legacy app

smooth703 said:
I used smart switch to transfer a lot over no lag at all
Sent from my SM-G955U using XDA-Developers Legacy app
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Same here.

smooth703 said:
I used smart switch to transfer a lot over no lag at all
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Same here , smart switch and no lag This far.

No lag fam!

Used smart switch as well, no lag either

Some lag when playing games, most noticeable on GTA 3, strange as my S6 played the same game very well

Everyone will see frame drops and lag here and there, once in a while. I've gotten used to excepting it. They said the s6 edge was lag free. They said the same about the s7 edge. But this time, I think they're largely right.
No lag. At all.
Started fresh without smart switch or Google's app restore.

Smart switch from iOS, random lag sputtered especially when hitting the home button

This thread is a perfect example showing that everyone sees and experiences things in totally different ways. Many people are just not sensitive to micro-stutters and jitter, or they don't think it's a big enough deal to bother mentioning it, or they just accept it. Personally I am quite sensitive to it, as is the OP it would seem. I can guarantee you that dave30534 or myself could sit down with any of the "lag free" people in this thread and see jitter/stutters on your phones within 5 seconds. I too tried multiple variants of the phone at Best Buy and they're all the same "stutteriness" (which makes perfect sense, as they're all the same hardware and software minus the unique bloatware per phone and maybe a different modem). I have the AT&T variant myself and it stutters sometimes, very similar to my old Note 7 in the 2 weeks I owned it. Stutters much more so than an iPhone or Pixel, for comparison.
I have a friend who plays FPS PC games and he never needs to enable v-sync. While he's playing a game, we can both be looking at the same monitor and I clearly see screen tearing and he clearly does NOT "see" it. It's almost like different people have different "shutter speeds" in their eyes or brains, haha. Screen-tearing is not the same thing as stuttering, but it goes to show you that what's plain as day to one person is not always to another.
I was talking to a waitress in a restaurant once, and I noticed she had a Moto 360 on her wrist. She had owned the watch for over 2 years (she bought it the day it came out, she said). At that time I was interested in buying this watch, so I asked her if she liked it, and was she bothered by the cut-off flat part at the bottom of the display (commonly referred to as the "flat tire"). She had no idea what I was talking about. She had to turn on her watch and closely look at it to see what I was talking about, and then she said, "Oh that's funny, I never noticed that before!".
Arstechnica did a frame-time comparison between a Pixel XL and a Galaxy S8+. There's a setting built into Android, where you can enable a developer option called "Profile GPU rendering". It's a tool for app developers to to see where their app stands against the 1 frame every 16.67 ms target (which translates to 60 FPS). It displays a horizontal green line on the screen, and any frames that take more than 16 ms to render will show up as vertical lines above the horizontal green line. While simply scrolling up and down through the Play Store (not exactly a taxing chore), the Pixel was consistently hitting the rendering target while the S8+ was frequently having trouble and dropping frames. And this was with the S8+ rendering at its lowest possible resolution (1480x720). The reviewer goes on to say, "Touchwiz is still a janky lag-fest. Despite the faster processor, the Google Pixel is a smoother, faster-feeling device." Personally I wouldn't call it a lag-fest but it's definitely behind the curve when compared to other phones.

I was seeing some annoying lag after hitting the home button while using the stock launcher. I ended up trying a different launcher and have noticed the lag is mostly gone. I still it here and there though. (restored from google play backup (not all apps though))

s2kpdx said:
I was seeing some annoying lag after hitting the home button while using the stock launcher. I ended up trying a different launcher and have noticed the lag is mostly gone. I still it here and there though. (restored from google play backup (not all apps though))
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The source of the lag for me was with the stock launcher , switched to another launcher and lag was gone
Mine was a fresh setup

I've been noticing that everytime I hold my finger on screen and scroll without lifting frames drop like crazy. No matter what app I'm scrolling on. The moment my finger gets lifted off the screen to scroll frames return back to 60ish fps.
Not good at all

I, too, also had the lag, or should I more accurately the framerate loss with my T-Mobile S8+. I tried everything from disabling as much bloat as possible to getting my trusty Nova Pro and my usual minimalist setup. Nothing seemed to help. The longer the device settled the worse it seemed to get. I tried to overlook it but finally threw in the towel and want back to my Pixel XL. You never realize how bogged down the S8+ really is until you switch back to your Pixel. I am not a Samsung hater. I love both Google and Samsung. I've used every Galaxy except the S2 and the S4 remains one of my favorite phones of all time still. With that being said. The S8+ feels more like an S6 chapter in the series rather than another S7 Edge beauty. I am wondering if the SoC simply isn't able to keep up with the massive display. I mean even cranked down below QHD. This is still a juggernaut of a display with a lot of pixels to push. I wonder if the GPU is simply bogging under the load. It reminds me of the old ASUS Transformer days where the SoC simply couldn't effectively push the screen which had a resolution well ahead of the tablet curve at the time. They didn't slump on internals but they simply weren't "there" yet.

henrybravo said:
This thread is a perfect example showing that everyone sees and experiences things in totally different ways. Many people are just not sensitive to micro-stutters and jitter, or they don't think it's a big enough deal to bother mentioning it, or they just accept it. Personally I am quite sensitive to it, as is the OP it would seem. I can guarantee you that dave30534 or myself could sit down with any of the "lag free" people in this thread and see jitter/stutters on your phones within 5 seconds. I too tried multiple variants of the phone at Best Buy and they're all the same "stutteriness" (which makes perfect sense, as they're all the same hardware and software minus the unique bloatware per phone and maybe a different modem). I have the AT&T variant myself and it stutters sometimes, very similar to my old Note 7 in the 2 weeks I owned it. Stutters much more so than an iPhone or Pixel, for comparison.
I have a friend who plays FPS PC games and he never needs to enable v-sync. While he's playing a game, we can both be looking at the same monitor and I clearly see screen tearing and he clearly does NOT "see" it. It's almost like different people have different "shutter speeds" in their eyes or brains, haha. Screen-tearing is not the same thing as stuttering, but it goes to show you that what's plain as day to one person is not always to another.
I was talking to a waitress in a restaurant once, and I noticed she had a Moto 360 on her wrist. She had owned the watch for over 2 years (she bought it the day it came out, she said). At that time I was interested in buying this watch, so I asked her if she liked it, and was she bothered by the cut-off flat part at the bottom of the display (commonly referred to as the "flat tire"). She had no idea what I was talking about. She had to turn on her watch and closely look at it to see what I was talking about, and then she said, "Oh that's funny, I never noticed that before!".
Arstechnica did a frame-time comparison between a Pixel XL and a Galaxy S8+. There's a setting built into Android, where you can enable a developer option called "Profile GPU rendering". It's a tool for app developers to to see where their app stands against the 1 frame every 16.67 ms target (which translates to 60 FPS). It displays a horizontal green line on the screen, and any frames that take more than 16 ms to render will show up as vertical lines above the horizontal green line. While simply scrolling up and down through the Play Store (not exactly a taxing chore), the Pixel was consistently hitting the rendering target while the S8+ was frequently having trouble and dropping frames. And this was with the S8+ rendering at its lowest possible resolution (1480x720). The reviewer goes on to say, "Touchwiz is still a janky lag-fest. Despite the faster processor, the Google Pixel is a smoother, faster-feeling device." Personally I wouldn't call it a lag-fest but it's definitely behind the curve when compared to other phones.
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So, you would say that every single s8 has those little stutters when switching between apps and pressing home? I'm asking because I've tried a dozen or so s8/s8+ at stores and found them all to stutter a lot. Seeing all these people on XDA talking about their lag-free devices was starting to make me think that the lag I saw in stores was just because of demo mode or something. Now, I'm just not sure.
I'm thinking of jumping from the G6 to the s8 because of some of the great features (e.g., I really like Samsung pay), but I can't stand the stutters! I really do like the G6 and have absolutely no problems with it...Maybe I'll wait for the Note 8. I'm sure it will stutter, too, but I love the s pen.

abdullaha said:
Everyone will see frame drops and lag here and there, once in a while. I've gotten used to excepting it. They said the s6 edge was lag free. They said the same about the s7 edge. But this time, I think they're largely right.
No lag. At all.
Started fresh without smart switch or Google's app restore.
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I've gotten use to it as well and I have my s8+ for 7 days so far no lag no frame drops...i look closely because I know how Sammy is lol...but to my surprise I don't see nothing no hiccups at all...

I used smart switch and had issues with frame rates on facebook. Even though I'd cleared the cache via settings it didn't resolve the problem.
Another member suggested a reboot into recovery (off, then restart holding up and bixby key) and clear cache. Lag and stutter gone.
Try it.

I used smart switch with my iphone 6+ to s8+. I've noticed a lag or stutter when tapping the home button. A slight stutter in the animations when the app closes.

I have the Exynos S8+. Restored from google backup, although had to reinstall my apps because they didn't come back.
I have no micro stutters, only the odd bit of lag loading an app that hasn't been loaded before, or when an app is loading data in such as maps etc after sitting unused for a while, which is normal even on IOS.
As for frame drops and skipping the S8+ so far is excellent for me. Samsung has nailed this one. To be fair though the Exynos S7 was lag free for me too.

henrybravo said:
This thread is a perfect example showing that everyone sees and experiences things in totally different ways. Many people are just not sensitive to micro-stutters and jitter, or they don't think it's a big enough deal to bother mentioning it, or they just accept it. Personally I am quite sensitive to it, as is the OP it would seem. I can guarantee you that dave30534 or myself could sit down with any of the "lag free" people in this thread and see jitter/stutters on your phones within 5 seconds. I too tried multiple variants of the phone at Best Buy and they're all the same "stutteriness" (which makes perfect sense, as they're all the same hardware and software minus the unique bloatware per phone and maybe a different modem). I have the AT&T variant myself and it stutters sometimes, very similar to my old Note 7 in the 2 weeks I owned it. Stutters much more so than an iPhone or Pixel, for comparison.
I have a friend who plays FPS PC games and he never needs to enable v-sync. While he's playing a game, we can both be looking at the same monitor and I clearly see screen tearing and he clearly does NOT "see" it. It's almost like different people have different "shutter speeds" in their eyes or brains, haha. Screen-tearing is not the same thing as stuttering, but it goes to show you that what's plain as day to one person is not always to another.
I was talking to a waitress in a restaurant once, and I noticed she had a Moto 360 on her wrist. She had owned the watch for over 2 years (she bought it the day it came out, she said). At that time I was interested in buying this watch, so I asked her if she liked it, and was she bothered by the cut-off flat part at the bottom of the display (commonly referred to as the "flat tire"). She had no idea what I was talking about. She had to turn on her watch and closely look at it to see what I was talking about, and then she said, "Oh that's funny, I never noticed that before!".
Arstechnica did a frame-time comparison between a Pixel XL and a Galaxy S8+. There's a setting built into Android, where you can enable a developer option called "Profile GPU rendering". It's a tool for app developers to to see where their app stands against the 1 frame every 16.67 ms target (which translates to 60 FPS). It displays a horizontal green line on the screen, and any frames that take more than 16 ms to render will show up as vertical lines above the horizontal green line. While simply scrolling up and down through the Play Store (not exactly a taxing chore), the Pixel was consistently hitting the rendering target while the S8+ was frequently having trouble and dropping frames. And this was with the S8+ rendering at its lowest possible resolution (1480x720). The reviewer goes on to say, "Touchwiz is still a janky lag-fest. Despite the faster processor, the Google Pixel is a smoother, faster-feeling device." Personally I wouldn't call it a lag-fest but it's definitely behind the curve when compared to other phones.
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Well I can't use GPU profile in any app because it doesn't show through, but scrolling through android on my device looks great.
https://i.imgur.com/rrIuS4Y.png

My thoughts after upgrading from S7 edge to S9+

I received my unlocked S9+ about a week ago after taking advantage of Samsung's trade-in offer. I'm coming from an S7 Edge and figured I'd share some thoughts, if anyone was considering the same. Hit me up if you're curious about something specific.
Size-wise, this phone isn't that much larger than the S7 edge, just maybe a couple mm wider and several more taller. However, there is a very noticeable weight increase that makes a big difference during extended sessions. The weight also makes the all-glass exterior difficult to keep a grip on and you'll have a thick disgusting smear of fingerprints to prove it -- I think a case is a must. I went with one of the alcantara cases and love it.
I haven't messed much with the iris/facial scanning, mostly because it wouldn't work anyway with most of my banking/security apps that only support a fingerprint. I love the location of the new fingerprint scanner and it is very, very fast.
Speaking of fast, this phone SMOKES. I install a crap-ton of apps and it's just as speedy as when I took it out of the box. 6 GB of RAM means apps get suspended less often, making the overall experience very, very fluid. The screen is also drop-dead gorgeous.
The camera hasn't disappointed me yet, even in fairly low light situations or with significant zoom, and all the widgets in Pro mode give full control over it all. I intend to give it a good workout during tomorrow's blizzard and see if the super slo-mo does a good job of catching the snow. The new AR emoji stuff is useless and ridiculous, I don't see it appealing to much of anyone over the age of 11 -- and even then only if they don't notice how awful it looks. It's just a half-baked attempt to emulate the nonsense on an iFruit.
Things I miss/wish were better:
*Night clock -- RIP, my bedside table friend. You will be missed.
*Edge lighting -- feels like a missed opportunity, it's just "not enough" to be really useful. It feels to me like a step back from the S7e's implementation somehow but I can't really put my finger on why.
*Bixby -- just give up already and take the button away. Awful.
*Samsung's customizations -- the Settings menus are still an exercise in frustration and patience to plow through, even without all the carrier bloat in this unlocked version.

Which version do you have? 64, 128 or 256? I will be upgrading from S5 next month, a huge upgrade for me. Can you tell me if 64 GB will be enough, keeping in view all the bloatware pre-installed. I am not a heavy user, don't keep music in my phone, just the camera and whatsapp stuff and a few bubble witch type games.
I have ordered a few cases and a tempered glass, will definitely keep the device protected. I tested it in the store and it is slippery plus finger print magnet.

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Which version do you have? 64, 128 or 256? I will be upgrading from S5 next month, a huge upgrade for me. Can you tell me if 64 GB will be enough, keeping in view all the bloatware pre-installed. I am not a heavy user, don't keep music in my phone, just the camera and whatsapp stuff and a few bubble witch type games.
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I have the 64 GB version. Even with my huge pile of apps, I've still got 42 GB free. Ultra fast SD cards are so cheap these days, onboard storage is a non-event in my opinion. Store pics, vids, and music on the SD and it should never be a concern.
Plus, remember that unlocked devices don't have any of the carrier bloat!

I also came from an S7 Edge (with a couple of months on an S7 after the Edge was lost at sea. Literally.)
Anyway, I'm mostly thrilled with the upgrade. I don't find the weight an issue, but have small hands and do find the extra width just a bit uncomfortable. I could happily live with the shorter screen on the Edge, too. The extra height doesn't really buy me that much most of the time, but it isn't an issue, either. I agree a case is necessary, if for no reason other than to protect the glass if you drop it. But that's another area where the width is a problem--I used a more protective case on the Edge, but can't handle the extra width on the Plus so I'm using a thinner case.
Can't get the Iris scanning to work at all. It gets to about 50% and says my Irises couldn't be scanned. Guess I have weird eyes?
Agree Bixby is pretty much useless at this point, but (1) it should improve over time, and (2) it's Samsung's future UI for all their smart devices, phones, washers, stoves, you name it, so it's not going away. Would be nice if they'd let us remap the button, but at least there are 3rd party tools for that.
There are 3rd party edge lighting tools that are far better than Samsung's, btw. My biggest grip is the loss of per-contact text message sounds. I had to go to the 3rd party text app to get that back.
And yes, it's fast and smooth. No complaints there, even though I'm sure the Pixel cult will claim it's laggy and stutters. I'm also getting the best battery life I've gotten out of any phone, by far.

meyerweb said:
There are 3rd party edge lighting tools that are far better than Samsung's, btw. My biggest grip is the loss of per-contact text message sounds. I had to go to the 3rd party text app to get that back.
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Could you recommend something that does a better job with edge lighting?
I also didn't realize per-user alerts were missing, I didn't use Samsung's built-in on the S7e because of the wonky sharing intent support. Nice catch.

Wallcrawler77 said:
Could you recommend something that does a better job with edge lighting?
I also didn't realize per-user alerts were missing, I didn't use Samsung's built-in on the S7e because of the wonky sharing intent support. Nice catch.
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I'm using this one: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lighting.edge.edgelighting
I was a beta tester for it and got it free. It meets my needs, so I haven't compared any of the other ones in the Play Store to see if they might be better.

Wallcrawler77 said:
I received my unlocked S9+ about a week ago after taking advantage of Samsung's trade-in offer. I'm coming from an S7 Edge and figured I'd share some thoughts, if anyone was considering the same. Hit me up if you're curious about something specific.
Size-wise, this phone isn't that much larger than the S7 edge, just maybe a couple mm wider and several more taller. However, there is a very noticeable weight increase that makes a big difference during extended sessions. The weight also makes the all-glass exterior difficult to keep a grip on and you'll have a thick disgusting smear of fingerprints to prove it -- I think a case is a must. I went with one of the alcantara cases and love it.
I haven't messed much with the iris/facial scanning, mostly because it wouldn't work anyway with most of my banking/security apps that only support a fingerprint. I love the location of the new fingerprint scanner and it is very, very fast.
Speaking of fast, this phone SMOKES. I install a crap-ton of apps and it's just as speedy as when I took it out of the box. 6 GB of RAM means apps get suspended less often, making the overall experience very, very fluid. The screen is also drop-dead gorgeous.
The camera hasn't disappointed me yet, even in fairly low light situations or with significant zoom, and all the widgets in Pro mode give full control over it all. I intend to give it a good workout during tomorrow's blizzard and see if the super slo-mo does a good job of catching the snow. The new AR emoji stuff is useless and ridiculous, I don't see it appealing to much of anyone over the age of 11 -- and even then only if they don't notice how awful it looks. It's just a half-baked attempt to emulate the nonsense on an iFruit.
Things I miss/wish were better:
*Night clock -- RIP, my bedside table friend. You will be missed.
*Edge lighting -- feels like a missed opportunity, it's just "not enough" to be really useful. It feels to me like a step back from the S7e's implementation somehow but I can't really put my finger on why.
*Bixby -- just give up already and take the button away. Awful.
*Samsung's customizations -- the Settings menus are still an exercise in frustration and patience to plow through, even without all the carrier bloat in this unlocked version.
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sorry after investing millions of dollars on development they're not gonna "just give up" on bixby because some people don't like it, HOWEVER, we can disable the button on bixby home, little gear icon on top and you can set the button to do nothing with a single press unless you press and hold

i like the Bixby button.... so that I can use "BxActions" to program it as my quick Sound/Vibrate button, or turn on flashlight, or take screenshot, or wifi on/off, etc...

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I have the 64 GB version. Even with my huge pile of apps, I've still got 42 GB free. Ultra fast SD cards are so cheap these days, onboard storage is a non-event in my opinion. Store pics, vids, and music on the SD and it should never be a concern.
Plus, remember that unlocked devices don't have any of the carrier bloat!
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I want to upgrade to a 9+ from a s6 edge+ sometime in the summer. I'm assuming I would have a harder time adjusting to it since the 7 edge is heavier than the 6 edge+. On the other hand, the 6 edge+ is slightly wider than the 7 edge.

Just my 2 cents as well....Also came from the S7 Edge. Had the S4,S5 and S6 before that. Didn't want to fork out the huge amount of money with my provider for the S8. Van honestly say that this S9+ is damn quick. When looking at the speed comparison tests on youtube I sometimes think my phone in hand is quicker then that... Physically it's nor much bigger then the S7 Edge, but it feels nicer in hand and is easy to operate with one hand...I have biggish hands... Camera in general is a bit better, didn't yet get time to really compare to my S& Edge. Low light is definitely nicer and less noise. Bixby is a first for me...Not to bad....Bixby doesn't always understand our South African english accent. Haven't used google assistant for 2 weeks now...Bixby does what I want and some more when it comes to the phone settings etc. Overall very happy with the phone. Battery life with my use is a bit better then the S7 Edge. I get at least 18-28 hours of battery life, with sot of 3-4.5 hours. The S7 edge got 12-16 hours with sot 2-3. UI is good and no lag detected at all, especially how I use the phone, not a heavy user, but I'm busy on the phone

Same here. I had an S7edge for two years and loved it. I now upgraded to S9+.
I want to be honest. After the first hype you get about a new phone etc. I cannot say that I am extremely amazed by this upgrade.
Don't get me wrong. S9+ is fantastic. It is a phone that has everything. I cannot find a fault. The smoothness is amazing, the screen is amazing, the speed is amazing. But if you used to have an S7 edge, you are also used to most of what samsung offers. Excellent camera, edge screen, samsung apps etc etc.
To be honest I am a power user, so I had installed most of the updated touchwiz apps through APKs (including the new touchwiz launcher) in my s7edge so my daily experience and use of the phone remain the same.
I don't know if I should have waited for oreo to come to S7edge and then decide to upgrade or not, but there were a few areas in s9+ that made me bite the bullet and proceed in ordering it.
- The looks. S7 edge is a very good looking phone but S9+... oh my... I think I am in love with the way it looks.
- 6gb of ram. S7 edge was lacking in this sector. The ram management was not so good. The ram management in s9+ is just extraordinary. There are times that I close an app at night, fall asleep, and the next morning I reopen the app and is in the exact same page that I left it.
- Battery seems better than S7 edge. Maybe power management is better in s9+ due to processor or Oreo android.
- Cameras of both phones take excellent pictures. So nothing too special about S9.
- Speakers is a big upgrade. S7 edge speaker was very low volume. S9+ rocks the place.
- S9 supports project treble. So hopefully S9 will be getting updates sooner. Timely android updates is the only sector that Samsung is falling behind.
Bottom line is that s9+ surely worths the upgrade, but if you come from an s7 edge don't expect the changes and your daily usage and feel to be extremely different and rock your world. Especially if you just update to the s9 and not the s9+.
If you come from another phone (not a recent samsung one), for sure you will be amazed.
I could live easily with s7edge for at least another year, especially if it gets the oreo update. Or I could easily root it and install an s9 rom.
I am just saying all this so an s7edge owner to take everything into account before rushing getting the s9+.

I reluctantly upgraded from an S7 Edge. Didn't want to lose FoxFi but the S7 was so slow and charging was becoming an issue. Got an unlocked S9+ direct from Samsung. This thing is lightening fast. Love the Intelligent Scan. There are times I want to unlock but have sterile gloves on and I don't feel like dealing with a PIN.
That being said...the battery life when I got it was AMAZING. I have long days where it's a pain to charge and it last(ed). Until the update. Now battery is not so stellar. Anyone else experiencing this?

I'm surprised at how many are in the same boat upgrading from the S7 Edge!
My Tmo S7E was so SLOW after all the updates, I resisted throwing it out the window. Their trade in program giving $360 for it was a steal so I jumped on it immediately. Loving the S9+ all the way! Phone is an absolute beast and I love the 6GB of ram. It keeps prompting me to update but I AM NOT UPDATING! don't fix what isn't broken right?
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i like the Bixby button.... so that I can use "BxActions" to program it as my quick Sound/Vibrate button, or turn on flashlight, or take screenshot, or wifi on/off, etc...
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Oh man, I didn't know that! I'll have to look into this...! Really wish Samsung had a physical button to set to Loud/Vibrate/Mute

S7edge to S9+ here as well, I'll comment on the VR. I ordered the new GearVR headset before I got the phone in, and using it is like night and day.
-S7edge would overheat in 10-20 minutes, show error and lock up sometimes until it cooled. Unplugged, I'd get from 100-25% in less than 1 3d movie (avg 1:30 in battery only vr usage, 50% screen brightness) When plugged into the Samsung power supply would only drop battery from 100%-70% in 2 hours.
-S9+ has yet to overheat in VR, screendoor is a little more pronounced, but can watch 2:20 movie in 3D (50% screen brightness as usual) battery only 100%-55% and when plugged in would not charge unless headset is off (sleep mode) but would not discharge any battery, start at 100% end at 100%.
S9+ VR headset: SM-R325NZVAXAR is what I ordered. I use this along with Riftcat to simulate a Vive headset and play Elite dangerous for hours, no overheat and no battery drain when plugged in. Smooth as silk.

Another person going from S7 Edge to S9+. Overall I agree with the prior comments, the phone really isn't much bigger but the performance difference is HUGE. I setup many apps and the S7E was bogging down. For example: running Google Play Music and Waze in my car would make the audio choppy at times and Waze would lag. On the S9+ it runs smooth.
A few other comments:
- I used a UAG case ( specifically the Plasma ) for my S7 Edge and now my S9+, I think it is great
- I use BxActions and have it mapped to Google Assistant. I wish there was a way officially disable Bixby and map things to Google Assistant but the BxActions app works.

replace screen and frame

has anyone replaced both the screen and frame? Any tips?
Can't find a video for both, only screen.

That's a lot of damage. Do you know if the mobo is still good? Don't go throwing much money at it otherwise especially if it hit on the mobo side.
I recommend observing ESD protocols when working on it. Out circuit the mobo and display are suspectable to ESD damage. A earth grounded ESD mat and wrist strap are best. At least raise the humidity of the room to 50% and wear cotton clothing.

it's a phone I've been using since I dropped it, but the touchscreen is intermittently intermittent.
I need to change the USB charge port and batt. I have a back phone, jic.
I have a wrist strap but no mat.

metropical said:
it's a phone I've been using since I dropped it, but the touchscreen is intermittently intermittent.
I need to change the USB charge port and batt. I have a back phone, jic.
I have a wrist strap but no mat.
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Sounds like major surgery doctor.
Good, earth ground the strape and use a bare wood surface.
Get some...

it'll either suck or work. Time will tell.

metropical said:
it'll either suck or work. Time will tell.
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If it doesn't break the bank, go for it.
At the worst you'll have a parts queen, which is fine if your intentions are to keep using this model.
The smartphone releases this year have been nothing but disappointment. Android 11 and 12 are DOA. Next year looks bad for both as well.
I can see why you want to stick with a model/OS version you like. I'm doing the same myself.

I'll buy a Pixel 4a if the patient doesn't survive. HTC, unfortunately, has bit the dust for phones .
In US Android, there seems to be only Samsmug and Pixel left. At least the Pixel have some lineage to HTC.
One plus has not been around long enough to trust.
But I'm not buying another glass backed phone.

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I'll buy a Pixel 4a if the patient doesn't survive. HTC, unfortunately, has bit the dust for phones .
In US Android, there seems to be only Samsmug and Pixel left. At least the Pixel have some lineage to HTC.
One plus has not been around long enough to trust.
But I'm not buying another glass backed phone.
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I'm using the Note 10+'s Snapdragon variant. However no 3.5 mm jack which you likely hate not having. I use the Buds+ which sound pretty good using the proprietary SSC bt codec.
The 10+ was the last great flagship release from Samsung. Fast, stable, a drop dead gorgeous display, reliable, a solid workhorse if running on Android 9 or 10... 11 not so much so.
My oldest 10+ is 2 years old, one battery replacement, it looks and runs like new after heavy usage. The glass back has been no issue and is cheap to replace. Use care though when replacing the battery removing the rear panel.
The other nice thing is the Samsung UI and its customization. Its fast, friendly and extremely customizable with hundreds of free themes, icon packs and UI apps like the Good Lock family from the Galaxy store. It doesn't look or act like a Pixel... thank god.
Always use a good case. I use the Zizo Bolt case. Without it my 10+ be a wreck. Over half a dozen 2-4 foot drops onto concrete, zero damage. However after a couplre hard corner hits I replace the case out of concerns of material fatigue. The only visible case damage is a shiny appearance at the hit corner indicating fatigue.

No headphone jack doesn't bother me. Have a Shure BT w/535. Sounds quite good.
Funny thing, never dropped a phone til the 1st month I had this. Bummer. Case too late.
But it's 3 yrs on now. Which is why I'm willing to chance the repair or replace.
What do you not like about the Pixel? To me Android is Android. The UI doesn't change much that I've seen, except for the awful LG interface that I had for a couple years before I gave up on it. This is my 3rd HTC in 10 years. They've all been good, but HTC had missed the boat a long while back when they released the 10. Many issues. The U11 has been very good even through the damaging drop.
Prior to the N10 I'd never have even thought about the Sam

I'm watching Pixel and not impressed.
No SD card slot. Android 11 and 12 are dogs.
Scoped storage isn't needed and makes it a pain to use.
Samsung has always been hit or miss. But when they're hot, they're hot. So far in my estimation the 10+/Snapdragon is their best Note overall.
I rejected the N20U because of display, 5G, battery and Android 11 issues. The 10+ isn't the best stat wise now, but it's a solid dependable workhorse that's a snappy fast, stable platform. It does everything well. A 1.25 to 1.5tb dual drive handheld PC is no joke.
At this point it be hard to give up the Samsung IU. It's nothing like a "pure" Android such as Pixel, thank god. Samsung has dozens of little system apks to take the edge off of Android 10 and make it more usable. You can mold the IU to fit your needs rather than the other way around.
My Q version Note can be made to look and behave like my Pie version. Even retaining the screen button navigation rather than being force to swipe navigate. I already use swipe control anyway with One Handed Operation + as well as Samsung Edge.
The native spen's Smart Select and bt remote shutter release are great when you need them.
My stock 10+'s are heavily optimized though. I use a package disabler and Karma Firewall. That was a steep learning curve and one of the reasons they run so well. The tools are available for anyone who wants to use them to modify the device without rooting.
It's just a fun device to use and play with... after 2 years it's still fun.
For $800 you can still get a new one and much less for a used one however as with all internet vendors you need to be careful. A lot of scamming going on right now.

I bought this U11 used off Swappa. Been very good. Don't think I'd go anywhere else. I think they have their rules in place.
After all the crappy mSD cards I've had from both Samsung and SanDisk, I think I'd rather just built in storage next time.
I just use it for music. If I seldom want to watch something, I stream from my Emby at home.
Not a gamer. Almost entirely email, text, calls, and some interwebbing.
This one is rooted as have the last couple. But the OS has become efficient enough that I don't think I'd bother.
The ads are more annoying than any other issue.
Never heard of package disabler or Karma. I'll have to look into that. Toying is fun now and then.

Package Disabler is more a Samsung targeted thing but there's a version for other devices. No clue if/how that variant works.
Karma Firewall is a freeware VPN based one with logging features if running on Pie or under. Very low battery consumption.
No issues with my latest Lexar .5tb card. It's important to format it in the phone and best to leave it there. I have over 200gb of wav and hdcd files alone so... yeah I use it.
One of the benefits of using a SD card is for backups. All critical data goes here, only the loaded apps, DCIM and download folders go on internal memory. I keep installable copies of all my apps. I can do a complete reload from the data drive. I redundantly backup the SD card to hdds as well. A may lose a little data but never all. Every PC I set up is as a dual drive even laptops. It saves pain and suffering

I already have protonVPN, not free, but available to me on all my electronic contraptions.
Package disable would be redundant .

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I already have protonVPN, not free, but available to me on all my electronic contraptions.
Package disable would be redundant .
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You're already rooted, it be a downgrade from what's available for a rooted phone.
If you wanted to run a stock Samsung though, it applies.

When buying a SD card review its full specs.
Some are rated to work at -13F others only 32F, wtf? Likewise view rated storage temps.
I'll probably go with a Sandisk Extreme even though it's $25 more. It has wider temperature operating parameters indicating better design and production standards.
Get a V30 rated card as well. Always stick to major name brands and avoid buying on ebay, etc.
If it doesn't format in the phone, return it as it will likely never perform properly even if you zero fill it and get it to format. I use Lexar and Sandisk flash memory, zero failures thus far in over 15 years of using them in different form factors.
I around a dozen or so.

just bought a Pixel 5 off Swappa and will retire the U11 as a back up.
So far, very nice phone.
Though the difference from AOS 9 to 13 are lots.

Question I returned my 256gb S22 Ultra for a 512gb S22 Ultra and the 512gb is so much more laggy

I have to send back my 256gb ultra by the 22nd, but I need to figure out why its performing so much better. I basically just did smart switch to transfer over to the 512gb phone. The 512gb phone takes literally 5 seconds to open messages and when I am scrolling down in messages, I just keep seeing the same ones over and over again. (The 256 version just scrolls through like butter with literally the same messages). When I activated the new one online, the IMEI showed up on the sprint/T-Mobile website as a burgundy 128gb version when it is actually a sky blue 512gb version. Any ideas what I can compare before having to send one or both of these back? Also, I traded in my Note 10+. Do they ever send back your trade-in?

Lol, I take the N10+ over the S22... in fact I have done just that, got my second N10+ 9 months ago. Solid, dependable, gorgeous work horses that can take the heat.
They may send either one back... dig into them.
Internal memory size isn't a factor, something else is causing the lag. That's not a lag that's more like being trapped in an event horizon
256gb with no expandable storage isn't very much storage space...

yeah get it swapped for a different model, something seems off with ur 512 model

Set up as new first.
Or just let it settle for a while.

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Set up as new first.
Or just let it settle for a while.
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No settling needed. Could try clearing the system cache. Turn off adaptive battery and such. Set display power mode to optimized or the S22U equivalent.
This series is having a lot of issues.

When I choose to restore 100+ apps from a google drive backup the device lags and gets hot AF. I put it down and come back a few hours later and it's fine. That's always been my experience. If I want to play around (aka instant action) just skip backup/transfer and play and it's usually fine.

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I have to send back my 256gb ultra by the 22nd, but I need to figure out why its performing so much better. ... (The 256 version just scrolls through like butter with literally the same messages).
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Some might say a slow S22u is normal, but you already know it is not. Some might say, there is a processor lottery (maybe, but not that extreme).
I would say you copied a lot of (media-)data to the new phone and huge indexes need to be created now at once. In my case especially the Media Storage Service runs a lot when I add data and do not block scanning with ".nomedia".
You should see this in your battery statistics. If so, your S22u will run much better when the index creation is finished.
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Lol, I take the N10+...
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If every S22u posting would be deleted in which you mention (praise) the N10+, about 90% would be gone. Btw., have you found your AF of the ultrawide cam? There is none in the N10+.

ZXR said:
If every S22u posting would be deleted in which you mention (praise) the N10+, about 90% would be gone. Btw., have you found your AF of the ultrawide cam? There is none in the N10+.
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No AF, correct... but don't go getting all gooey happy wet just yet.
The bad news; I have plenty of threads and posts in the N10+ forum
Here, read my latest thermal review of the N10+.
Look what you inspired^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!
You never did take my thermal challenge... 98.6 here now and the battery is running at 2-5F above ambient, with a case, no cooling.

ZXR said:
Some might say a slow S22u is normal, but you already know it is not. Some might say, there is a processor lottery (maybe, but not that extreme).
I would say you copied a lot of (media-)data to the new phone and huge indexes need to be created now at once. In my case especially the Media Storage Service runs a lot when I add data and do not block scanning with ".nomedia".
You should see this in your battery statistics. If so, your S22u will run much better when the index creation is finished.
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I used smart switch coming from my N10+ to the 256gb version, and I don't think the messages app was ever slow. Full disclosure, I didn't set the new messages app as default for a couple of days because I wasn't sure what the difference was. Does everyone have 2 messages apps, or is that because I did smart switch? Both of my S22s currently have 2 messages apps full with texts.

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I used smart switch coming from my N10+ to the 256gb version, and I don't think the messages app was ever slow. Full disclosure, I didn't set the new messages app as default for a couple of days because I wasn't sure what the difference was. Does everyone have 2 messages apps, or is that because I did smart switch? Both of my S22s currently have 2 messages apps full with texts.
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SmartSwitch may be the problem. Try doing a clean reload without it (sorry).

blackhawk said:
Lol, I take the N10+ over the S22... in fact I have done just that, got my second N10+ 9 months ago. Solid, dependable, gorgeous work horses that can take the heat.
They may send either one back... dig into them.
Internal memory size isn't a factor, something else is causing the lag. That's not a lag that's more like being trapped in an event horizon
256gb with no expandable storage isn't very much storage space...
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You didn't own the s22 ultra in the first place. I see you spend a lot of time on the pixel forums too even though you haven't owned one. If you like your phone so much why are you on all these other phone forums instead?

turn of "optimizer" and turn on 120hz

blackhawk said:
Lol, I take the N10+ over the S22... in fact I have done just that, got my second N10+ 9 months ago. Solid, dependable, gorgeous work horses that can take the heat.
They may send either one back... dig into them.
Internal memory size isn't a factor, something else is causing the lag. That's not a lag that's more like being trapped in an event horizon
256gb with no expandable storage isn't very much storage space...
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Agree on the "internal memory size not being a factor"...

blackhawk said:
No AF, correct... but don't go getting all gooey happy wet just yet.
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You never did take my thermal challenge... 98.6 here now and the battery is running at 2-5F above ambient, with a case, no cooling.
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Sorry to the others, a bit off-topic.
Have you ever asked me for a thermal challenge? But the challange would be between devices, not people. Do you have both devices?
What I now did: A N10 and a S20u set to manual brightness. Put them on a sofa cushion next to each other, one hour no usage, no load. Noted the battery temperatures (in °C). Then Opera browser, youtube page, same video FullHD for 12 Minutes, .
1st try:
27,8 to 30,1 delta 2,3 (S22u)
26,9 to 29,5 delta 2,6 (N10)
2nd:
27,5 to 30,0 delta 2,5 (S22u)
27,0 to 30,5 delta 3,5 (N10)
We can see the temperature sensors have an offset of about 0,5-0,9 K and the older device is heating-up a bit more.
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Agree on the "internal memory size not being a factor"...
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Back on topic.
Absolutely. The 256 GB and 512 GB have the same RAM size and I would say no one blamed the ROM itself.
Maybe Ssamboy will give an update.

crixley said:
You didn't own the s22 ultra in the first place. I see you spend a lot of time on the pixel forums too even though you haven't owned one. If you like your phone so much why are you on all these other phone forums instead?
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They have been hating on the S22U since the beginning. Same old tired narrative, again and again. It's old BH go troll somewhere else.

RedsonRising said:
They have been hating on the S22U since the beginning. Same old tired narrative, again and again. It's old BH go troll somewhere else.
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I mean there are some of us who do own this phone, I've had it since April, and I find that apps like Twitter and Reddit scroll lagging as completely unacceptable. Regardless of how unoptimized basic apps are from the developer side, they're literally two of the most popular apps on the PlayStore and I am unhappy with a $1900 phone here in Australia (for the 256Gb 12Gb RAM Snapdragon variant I bought in April) lags doing the most basic tasks, when I could have got an iPhone 13 Pro Max and not had these issues, at least with basic apps, I wouldn't have liked it as much as my Android phone, since I prefer and love the customisation on Android, but at least the basic apps which I spend the majority of my free time will work without issues.
I didn't even buy it at release and it took them until June to fix the camera taking quick shots issue.
This idea of sucking-off these big companies, regardless of who they are, needs to stop. I don't care if you're a fan. There are people who have this phone or have had this phone for a while and still facing issues with it.
Sure, there is no perfect phone out there, but asking for basic optimization and better support for these devices shouldn't be discouraged. Samsung needs to do better.

I don't do twitter but I can confirm that the Reddit app is absolute garbage. Just look at the reviews on Google Play for confirmation.
It's not the phone, it's the app(s).

Coming from a Oneplus 8 Pro here, which was about as fast a device as you could get (even now). I do have the S22 Ultra 512gb variant and I can say that it feels about how I thought it would. Nothing can really compare to Oxygen OS, pre Android 12 IMO, but the Ultra feels fast enough.
I used smartswitch coming over, but I did clear cache in recovery for good measure. I am running 120hz and 1440p rez on optimized battery settings.
I don't experience any heat from it aside from situations where I know I would, like 95 degrees outside walking with the screen on max brightness using google maps, something like that.
I made all animations .5 as usual and turned off part of the app transitions in settings. It feels like it should. I use Twitter and the Reddit app. No lag on reddit flying through the homescreen with multiple app reloads at the bottom.
I have a bunch of complaints about this phone but nothing like is in this thread.

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Coming from a Oneplus 8 Pro here, which was about as fast a device as you could get (even now). I do have the S22 Ultra 512gb variant and I can say that it feels about how I thought it would. Nothing can really compare to Oxygen OS, pre Android 12 IMO, but the Ultra feels fast enough.
I used smartswitch coming over, but I did clear cache in recovery for good measure. I am running 120hz and 1440p rez on optimized battery settings.
I don't experience any heat from it aside from situations where I know I would, like 95 degrees outside walking with the screen on max brightness using google maps, something like that.
I made all animations .5 as usual and turned off part of the app transitions in settings. It feels like it should. I use Twitter and the Reddit app. No lag on reddit flying through the homescreen with multiple app reloads at the bottom.
I have a bunch of complaints about this phone but nothing like is in this thread.
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I would kill animations completely... a waste of resources that adds no useful functionality.
See what's behind the mask.
With that 4nm chipset and 12gb* of ram it better be fast. The burning question is how much mAh's is it using to do this?
Waste heat is an invariable byproduct of operation, the more mAh's used, the more heat generated. And that is a problem once your average mAh usage goes over 400.
Can it be optimized to stay under 400 mAh?
I doubt it but it's pretty common for Samsung's to be hot running battery hogs until optimized.
There's definitely room for improvement with optimizing. Using over 500 mAh average is unacceptable. If you're getting 10 hr or less SOT that's exactly what it's doing. At a 750 mAh average thermal dissipative capacity becomes a real issue because it isn't sustainable.
The other question is how much is scoped storage adding to the load burden?
Probably a fair amount; Pixels even added a new chip to take up some of that extra needed processing. Not an encouraging sign.
At least on rooted devices it seems scoped storage can now be disabled in 12.
*the large 12gb of ram is more important for performance than the chipset speed to some extent. The 8gb variant doesn't hold up to multitasking near as well.

Question Considering switching

Currently have an S21 ultra and am considering trading it in for a Pixel 7 pro. Would this be considered an upgrade?

That depends entirely on your usecase. Samsung offers a multitude of software gimmicks (we Pixel people call it bloatware) and a stellar display plus a relatively good battery life (by shutting down everything in the background*).
*https://dontkillmyapp.com/
Pixels on the other hand offer an extraordinary camera, a smooth software experience, quick updates and new features every couple of months.
Purely in terms of hardware and competition, the P7 Pro is designed to beat the S22 Ultra and will compete with the upcoming S23 Ultra, as such, yes - the P7 Pro can be considered an upgrade to your 1 3/4 year old S21 Ultra. But it's a bit like comparing a Porsche to a BMW - both are good, but both are also vitally different. Both offer a different set of features and are designed for a certain level of expectation. It's a question of taste, at the end of the day.

Agreed with @Morgrain. I went back to Samsung (Note 10+ 512 GB) after my Pixel 1 stopped receiving updates because I needed a phone with 512 GB of storage minimum, so it wasn't until the Pixel 6 Pro was offered with 512 GB that I could come back. Personally, I couldn't stand Samsung for a variety of reasons I detailed many times in several Pixel 6 Pro threads
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My wife and I had the Note 10+, not the S21 Ultra, so I can't speak to that.
For the Note 10+, complaints were:
Slow ultrasonic in-screen fingerprint reader. Some folks have the same complaint about the P6P's optical in-screen, but it's worked very, very well for me.
Samsung's duplication of multiple services that Google supplies. You have to know what you're looking for and jump through all the proper hoops/settings to set defaults back to Google's solutions since that's what I prefer.
Related to Samsung's duplication of services/apps, their phone app duplicated a bunch of my contacts (and even tripled some) in a way that Google doesn't recognize them as duplicates, so I'd have to go through manually, compare, and delete or consolidate contacts.
How customization of the active Quick Setting tiles was set was really frustrating, up through and including Android 11 on the Note 10+. When it gave a list of the QS Tiles I had to choose from (to add to those that normally show), it presented them in a single horizontal scrolling row across the top of the screen only and in no order that made sense to this human, instead of Google's method of displaying all the tiles available in all of the screen real estate that's available, so even if the order the "inactive" ones doesn't make sense, at least I can see 14 of them all at once and only have a little over two pages of them instead of 8 pages of single-row QS tiles to choose what to activate. This is particularly frustrating when using third-party apps to enable better performing QS tiles for WiFi or Mobile Data toggling or other purposes, so I would have more than one nearly identical-looking toggle that would get confusing to choose from, and from what I remember, the custom third-party app-created QS tiles weren't necessarily together or at the very end of the scrolling list.
Despite disabling all background snoozing for particular apps like GMail, Hangouts/Chat, etc, I couldn't get timely notifications of emails and chat. This was particularly troublesome for work, which also uses Google for everything. I opt not to have a work-supplied phone as it would be iOS. As an aside, my coworkers who do have iPhones from work also have trouble with some chat notifications not being obvious or immediate or some such, so that wouldn't necessarily be a solution anyway.
Before the Note 10+ (on the Pixel 1 I used before it), my emails and chat notifications came through immediately. I sometimes got email notifications for work several hours after. I do enough multi-tasking and when I'm very busy I just don't get a chance to flip back to my Chrome GMail window on the computer so I rely on the phone notifications.
Sometimes I would get a phone notification of an email (both personal and work) in the GMail app hours after I had already seen the email in Chrome on the PC and had deleted it or in some cases at least definitely had read it and didn't do anything further with it.
My brother has a Galaxy S9+. This has been his and his big extended family's first smartphones of any kind. When I complained to him about the late or useless Note 10+ GMail and chat notifications, he told me he experiences the exact same thing and he assumed that was just the way Android is.
Factory resets and all disabling of background snoozing of affected apps didn't help at all.
Samsung gimped Do Not Disturb. When DnD came out with (I think it was 5.0 Lollipop), I hated it and gave up on it quickly. I don't remember at what point I started actually using it on the Pixel 1, but they definitely improved it tons. I don't recall exactly what Samsung's implementation was missing but it was very noticeable having come from the Pixel 1 and no longer being able to do some things. I think what Samsung was missing was the ultra-fine granularity of configuration I could do for each and every scheduled and common/unscheduled DnD profile as to what exceptions were allowed to get past DnD. They had some of it implemented but missing enough that it stuck out at the time.
Now that I have the P6P, I can say that the Note 10+'s night mode camera shots were really bad. I think they were worse than even the Pixel 1s'. The P6P does wonders with what little light is available, by comparison.
There may have been more but I can't recall at this time.
I did like the built-in stylus. My wife used hers tons more than I did, but it would be handy for Google Photos' magic eraser and for other things. Samsung owns patents that would keep anyone else's stylus from being quite as useful or convenient, however. If I remember correctly, between Apple and Samsung's stylus patents, everyone else's stylus just can't compare.
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The only thing I miss on my 21 Ultra is the 100x zoom, it took some great shots of the moon. I have a 6 Pro but ordered the 7 Pro so I'm excited to see the improvements.

I guess the biggest question I have is what features (besides the 100x zoom) would I lose from the S21 ultra and what from the P7P would I be missing out sticking with the S21U?

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I guess the biggest question I have is what features (besides the 100x zoom) would I lose from the S21 ultra and what from the P7P would I be missing out sticking with the S21U?
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The most obvious thing in the direction of what you would be missing from the P7P is Pixel-exclusive features (which normally trickle down to Samsung and others within a few years, but not always).
I love the Google Phone app's native customizable call screening feature for different types of incoming calls (likely spam, not in contacts, first time caller...). Also it's Hold For Me feature is great to avoid dumb, loud, annoying, repetitive hold "muzak". As far as I know, those features haven't made their way to non-Pixels yet, although they wouldn't be specific to the Pixel 7/Pro either.
I also love @siavash79's [MOD][Xposed+Magisk][Pre-Release] AOSP Mods - System modifications for AOSP-based Android 12+ on my rooted Pixel 6 Pro and look forward to finding out if it will need any adjustments to work on the P7P.

roirraW edor ehT said:
The most obvious thing in the direction of what you would be missing from the P7P is Pixel-exclusive features (which normally trickle down to Samsung and others within a few years, but not always).
I love the Google Phone app's native customizable call screening feature for different types of incoming calls (likely spam, not in contacts, first time caller...). Also it's Hold For Me feature is great to avoid dumb, loud, annoying, repetitive hold "muzak". As far as I know, those features haven't made their way to non-Pixels yet, although they wouldn't be specific to the Pixel 7/Pro either.
I also love @siavash79's [MOD][Xposed+Magisk][Pre-Release] AOSP Mods - System modifications for AOSP-based Android 12+ on my rooted Pixel 6 Pro and look forward to finding out if it will need any adjustments to work on the P7P.
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Regarding conversation of switching from Samsung to Google:
I personally think although good hardware is very important, we have to note that nowadays most of the phones have good quality hardware on them. (I do agree that Samsung offers the highest quality hardware).
Now, to me (and might be only me), the most important thing to choose a phone is not hardware, but is the "Software" it offers. The ROM should be safe, secure, rich in features, AND supported constantly be OEM.
When it comes to software, I think Samsung is one of the worst with regards to support: It's not open source, updates are very (very) much delayed, and it's too much far away from "original" android experience.
On the contrary (and even though I've personally suffered a lot from Google hardware in the past), Google phones offer everything Samsung doesn't: It's open source, "original" android experience, first to get updates (every single month on 5th), and first to get new Android (at least 6 months before others due to developer and beta releases)
So It's up to you to choose based on your priorities: Best hardware is offered by Samsung, best software is in Pixel
With regards to AOSPMods operating on P7: Since the source code of the ROM is the same as the released A13 source, I don't see why it shouldn't work well from day one: Unless proven otherwise

siavash79 said:
Regarding conversation of switching from Samsung to Google:
I personally think although good hardware is very important, we have to note that nowadays most of the phones have good quality hardware on them. (I do agree that Samsung offers the highest quality hardware).
Now, to me (and might be only me), the most important thing to choose a phone is not hardware, but is the "Software" it offers. The ROM should be safe, secure, rich in features, AND supported constantly be OEM.
When it comes to software, I think Samsung is one of the worst with regards to support: It's not open source, updates are very (very) much delayed, and it's too much far away from "original" android experience.
On the contrary (and even though I've personally suffered a lot from Google hardware in the past), Google phones offer everything Samsung doesn't: It's open source, "original" android experience, first to get updates (every single month on 5th), and first to get new Android (at least 6 months before others due to developer and beta releases)
So It's up to you to choose based on your priorities: Best hardware is offered by Samsung, best software is in Pixel
With regards to AOSPMods operating on P7: Since the source code of the ROM is the same as the released A13 source, I don't see why it shouldn't work well from day one: Unless proven otherwise
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With regards to both sides, they have their own issues. It's been proven that Samsung phones have a battery bloating issue after a few years of use, and this could be seen as a huge risk considering the batteries in question are lithium-ion, but as long as you don't plan to use it for more than 1-2 years, there should be no issue. The issue with the Pixel series of phones could be considered just as serious depending on your circumstances. I'm not sure if this issue carries onto the Pixel 7, but the Pixel 6a has appauling battery life because of Google's chip, which drains the battery even when on standby, and there's been reports of it dying in your pocket as well.

Just pulled the trigger. I figured worst case scenario I have 14 days to return the P7P if I don't like it.

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Just pulled the trigger. I figured worst case scenario I have 14 days to return the P7P if I don't like it.
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good luck to you. feel free to report back after the 14 days. I'm curious how the new pixel works day to day

Morgrain said:
That depends entirely on your usecase. Samsung offers a multitude of software gimmicks (we Pixel people call it bloatware) and a stellar display plus a relatively good battery life (by shutting down everything in the background*).
*https://dontkillmyapp.com/
Pixels on the other hand offer an extraordinary camera, a smooth software experience, quick updates and new features every couple of months.
Purely in terms of hardware and competition, the P7 Pro is designed to beat the S22 Ultra and will compete with the upcoming S23 Ultra, as such, yes - the P7 Pro can be considered an upgrade to your 1 3/4 year old S21 Ultra. But it's a bit like comparing a Porsche to a BMW - both are good, but both are also vitally different. Both offer a different set of features and are designed for a certain level of expectation. It's a question of taste, at the end of the day.
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Truth is the P7 Pro is still lags behind the S22U as far as hardware and performance is concerned.
S22 Ultra vs Pixel 7 Pro
Pros and cons to both. Hopefully the P7's don't come with the software baggage that plagued the P6 release.

hand-filer said:
Truth is the P7 Pro is still lags behind the S22U as far as hardware and performance is concerned.
S22 Ultra vs Pixel 7 Pro
Pros and cons to both. Hopefully the P7's don't come with the software baggage that plagued the P6 release.
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given the price, that doesn't surprise me at all.

Is there any solid backup system for Google Pixel phones (as Apple) ?
I am thinking to move for Pixel because in Samsung there is no reliable method to backup your data !!

A0_o said:
Is there any solid backup system for Google Pixel phones (as Apple) ?
I am thinking to move for Pixel because in Samsung there is no reliable method to backup your data !!
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Well, all Android phones have a backup system built in that runs automatically in the background. Is there a 3rd party option that might be better? You will have to do a little research and see what's available. But for the average person what comes with Android is adequate. YMMV

jaseman said:
Well, all Android phones have a backup system built in that runs automatically in the background. Is there a 3rd party option that might be better? You will have to do a little research and see what's available. But for the average person what comes with Android is adequate. YMMV
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Excuse me to disagree with you, There no YMMV in this kind of matter, When you bought a new phone they have to provide a way to transfer all your data as it is for the new one and forcing manufactures to be integrated. For me as natural user have to be feeling safe about my data and not lose it anytime or if the manufacture decide to blackmail user by storage spaces for Example (S22,S22+)
Me as photographer i have a lot of pictures captured by camera with copies after editing and +70GB Whatsapp conversations and there is no way to backup this photos and conversation by authentic way ( tell me about Whatsapp local backup and restore or 99% stuck of cloud).

A0_o said:
Is there any solid backup system for Google Pixel phones (as Apple) ?
I am thinking to move for Pixel because in Samsung there is no reliable method to backup your data !!
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The Pixel phones used to have free unlimited storage for photos, but it seems to have been ditched with the release of the Pixel 6 series. You're better off buying a usb stick and putting all the data you can on it, or connecting your phone to your computer and backing up your data that way.

Misterxtc said:
The only thing I miss on my 21 Ultra is the 100x zoom, it took some great shots of the moon. I have a 6 Pro but ordered the 7 Pro so I'm excited to see the improvements.
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Yeah, I have the s22 Ultra and also like taking the moon shots. What's interesting is that, in anticipation of the 7 pro, I tried dialing back the s22 ultra zoom to 30x. I think the pix at 30x were better than those at higher zoom, so I'm hopeful the 7 pro zoom will still be pretty good.

Akira_Kitsune said:
The Pixel phones used to have free unlimited storage for photos, but it seems to have been ditched with the release of the Pixel 6 series. You're better off buying a usb stick and putting all the data you can on it, or connecting your phone to your computer and backing up your data that way.
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Defect point here is you have to do this manually if you have multiple paths or files.

A0_o said:
Defect point here is you have to do this manually if you have multiple paths or files.
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I do have multiple paths.
And I have a short makefile that synchronizes my Android(s) with the desktop using my AdbSync.exe (in the sig).
Of course you coud use batch (or shell) files and plain old ADB.

I currently have Samsung S22 Ultra. I was a devoted Note fan until the Note 7 and fire-starting issue. I have owned every pixel model since the beginning. Got rid of the 6 because of the bugs. My initial units of the 5 and 6 pro had hardware issues and needed to be exchanged, so I did not take Google's trade in offer on my ultra.
I love the ultra because of the spen (I have big fat fingers), but prefer the pixel os and it's exclusive features over One UI. Not a fan of the Sammy's photo processing either. My 7 Pro comes today and I will use it for a while to decide which one to keep.
Thank God for Swappa or I would be broke from buying the latest greatest smart phones!