Noob question, i dont understand why Windows os can run on allmost all computers and why Android roms does not ?
Because windows is a computer OS and Android is a mobile Os
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I mean why Android roms for example Cynaogenmode 9 for Samsung cant go also on HTC if im not wrong, but windows can run on all computer.. i just dont understand why ??, I'm just started new flashing roms ecc. I was used to the pc that was so simple.
Tauros360 said:
I mean why Android roms for example Cynaogenmode 9 for Samsung cant go also on HTC if im not wrong, but windows can run on all computer.. i just dont understand why ??, I'm just started new flashing roms ecc. I was used to the pc that was so simple.
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Because Windows os support x32 x64 and you can install drivers for your computer.
aleranol said:
Because Windows os support x32 x64 and you can install drivers for your computer.
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I dinnt understand well, butt why they cant do this also on smarphones, for example on the computer you got the Bios and if somthing goes wrong with your OS you can always go to the bios ecc. But why they dont do the same on phones ?
Windows : An OS : Runs on PCs
Android : Also an OS : Runs on smart phones
Some basic common sense..
So this question is pointless
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Because Windows os support x32 x64 and you can install drivers for your computer.
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DD-Ripper said:
Windows : An OS : Runs on PCs
Android : Also an OS : Runs on smart phones
Some basic common sense..
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Im started new flashing roms ecc. i still dont have much experience, first i thought that the Clockworkmode ecc was a smartphone Bios but then on the internet i read about many people briking phones by flashing wrong roms ecc. when i firs was thinking that you could always recover from Cwm like on the computer Bios but it was'n like this. So i was thinking, why ? there isnt something like a bios on the android phones ? so you can always recover if something goes wrong ?
actually this is an excellent question......whats so hard abt having a mothwrboard that boots up in bios....nad then it allows u to install whatever system u want. after that u get to download drivers for ur hardware from some system driver pool....basically most phones have the closely the same hardware in our days especially when u can make use of sd cards as an external source like dvds nd cds.....the question is why r smartphones os's built in a different way and what stops them from being composed this way? isnt it more logical?
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Im started new flashing roms ecc. i still dont have much experience, first i thought that the Clockworkmode ecc was a smartphone Bios but then on the internet i read about many people briking phones by flashing wrong roms ecc. when i firs was thinking that you could always recover from Cwm like on the computer Bios but it was'n like this. So i was thinking, why ? there isnt something like a bios on the android phones ? so you can always recover if something goes wrong ?
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Cwm=1/2bios. Windows is open for all part combination with drivers. But android or other mobile os are cant support different drivers. Companies select os and other parts and develop correct drivers for parts and os. Mobile devices have special drivers. But pcs are have open for all drivers.
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This is a fantastic question! Essentially what has happened over the years is chip makers have designed their hardware around the windows os, and they have been able to do so because the windows os is a boxed software that, for the most part, cannot be changed. The Android os on the other hand is open sourced and can be tweaked 10 ways to Sunday, which is why most of us prefer it over ios or win mobile. The downside (kind of) is that the phones and tablets are specifically designed around the os and the os around the device. So in order to upgrade the os either the manufacturer (Samsung, Motorola etc) has to develop one or one of the brilliant coders out there has to work on developing one from the source code when it is released by Google. Hope this helps.
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Great question, Many answers definitely.
Android OS are built around the phones, around specific devices.
For example:
GS3 and Note 2 are built on somewhat the same,
so odds are specific roms are ported to GS3 ( Serenity 1.2)
but GS3 and HTC One X are two totally different companies with two different builds of components so you'd not have a port from a Note 2 to One X.
It's logic once you look into the components of a phone and how they're built VS how computers are built and such.
GPU, CPU, Storage, etc on a PC are all parted,where-as on a phone they're soldiered onto one main board.
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This is a fantastic question! Essentially what has happened over the years is chip makers have designed their hardware around the windows os, and they have been able to do so because the windows os is a boxed software that, for the most part, cannot be changed. The Android os on the other hand is open sourced and can be tweaked 10 ways to Sunday, which is why most of us prefer it over ios or win mobile. The downside (kind of) is that the phones and tablets are specifically designed around the os and the os around the device. So in order to upgrade the os either the manufacturer (Samsung, Motorola etc) has to develop one or one of the brilliant coders out there has to work on developing one from the source code when it is released by Google. Hope this helps.
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Now i understand, thanks i was thinking it would be possible to build phones with a Bios and basic drivers preinstalled in the motherboard, just to run android, and then from there find the driver updates ecc for its own device. That would be much easier for all of us to flash roms, kernels ecc without the risk of briking divices, and also now a days the smartphones are almost like real computers ecc. I think if you got an HTC + 1.7 Ghz x 4 you wouldn't like stop receiving updates for your stock or custom rom because its still a good piece of hardware, and also even if i would got to pay 20 $ for an Android upgrade i wouldn't mind, i think an something thing like a bios in a phone will give a piece of mind for everyone, and it would be much easier.
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Great question, Many answers definitely.
Android OS are built around the phones, around specific devices.
For example:
GS3 and Note 2 are built on somewhat the same,
so odds are specific roms are ported to GS3 ( Serenity 1.2)
but GS3 and HTC One X are two totally different companies with two different builds of components so you'd not have a port from a Note 2 to One X.
It's logic once you look into the components of a phone and how they're built VS how computers are built and such.
GPU, CPU, Storage, etc on a PC are all parted,where-as on a phone they're soldiered onto one main board.
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But for example if HTC,Samsung and all manufacturers . install on there mother board a bios + basic drivers for input output ecc. and to separate Android from it. So you could then have a one Android for all. And devs could focus mainly to the functionality and less to the compatibility. It would be fantastic :thumbup:
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As simple answer: Most android devices use a lot of closed source/specification hardware.
Plus locked/partially locked bootloader
In windows (and linux too) kernel there is a lot of closed blobs which work fine on pc because they were precompiled under x86 arch, but there's no use for them on our arm devices.
If we had open specifications and hardware device, we wouldn't have any trouble getting OS in there(that's what china manufacturer do)
As usual - the only issue is copyright.
Go OSS!
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Android and windows have more in common then anyone is letting on.
Wi ndows is closed source some other android is closed. Some of is is open.
Even though most of yours computers have windows dosnt mean that you can take the hard drive from one computer and expect for the Oscar to boot while in another computer. They all have drivers that are gding to be different.
Computers have biOs because of many different reasons. Computers are versatile smartphones are a relatively specialsized piece of equipment.
The question you ask has an answer but I think the same question can be asked aboout the differences between a couch and a chair. Someone just thought of a way to do somthing and it became the standard. Again computers freeway more advanced then smartphones. How many boot devices can you have on a smart phone? MAybe 2. Computers can have many hdds, many optical, many usb devices, many network boots...etc etc
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Tauros360 said:
Noob question, i dont understand why Windows os can run on allmost all computers and why Android roms does not ?
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Windows has been around forever.
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As simple answer: Most android devices use a lot of closed source/specification hardware.
Plus locked/partially locked bootloader
In windows (and linux too) kernel there is a lot of closed blobs which work fine on pc because they were precompiled under x86 arch, but there's no use for them on our arm devices.
If we had open specifications and hardware device, we wouldn't have any trouble getting OS in there(that's what china manufacturer do)
As usual - the only issue is copyright.
Go OSS!
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So in chinese phones its possible to do this ? For example on my computer i have tried windows, ubuntu ecc all on the same hardware. so in chinese phone its possible to boot Android or Windows 8 mobile on the same hardware ? i dont understand now, its is possible but manufactures dont do it or its a tecnical problem. ?
Tauros360 said:
So in chinese phones its possible to do this ? For example on my computer i have tried windows, ubuntu ecc all on the same hardware. so in chinese phone its possible to boot Android or Windows 8 mobile on the same hardware ? i dont understand now, its is possible but manufactures dont do it or its a tecnical problem. ?
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No it doesn't matter. It is alot of closed source stuff in windows. Not to mention MS would C&D anyone that may even try. Even the new windows 8 32 bit pc systems have a locked bootloader so you can't change the OS
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pixelshuck said:
As simple answer: Most android devices use a lot of closed source/specification hardware.
Plus locked/partially locked bootloader
In windows (and linux too) kernel there is a lot of closed blobs which work fine on pc because they were precompiled under x86 arch, but there's no use for them on our arm devices.
If we had open specifications and hardware device, we wouldn't have any trouble getting OS in there(that's what china manufacturer do)
As usual - the only issue is copyright.
Go OSS!
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potna said:
Android and windows have more in common then anyone is letting on.
Wi ndows is closed source some other android is closed. Some of is is open.
Even though most of yours computers have windows dosnt mean that you can take the hard drive from one computer and expect for the Oscar to boot while in another computer. They all have drivers that are gding to be different.
Computers have biOs because of many different reasons. Computers are versatile smartphones are a relatively specialsized piece of equipment.
The question you ask has an answer but I think the same question can be asked aboout the differences between a couch and a chair. Someone just thought of a way to do somthing and it became the standard. Again computers freeway more advanced then smartphones. How many boot devices can you have on a smart phone? MAybe 2. Computers can have many hdds, many optical, many usb devices, many network boots...etc etc
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Im a little confused because i dont have any experience in how software and hardware runs together even i would like to learn it , all i know is that i cant put an AMD CPU on a Intel compatible motherboard, but an AMD and intel computers can run both on windows, Ubuntu, ecc. So now i understand that almost all Smartphones have diffrent hardware, but they can not all run on a one Android version, but Android needs to be customized to the hardware. Am i wright ? Do you think if manufactures produce there hardware to fit in a one Android version, and devs focus in a one Android version, and also roms could be compatible for all devices, if im not wrong. Because what i sow now is that many devs work more on compatibility, and if it was the other way they could realy focus on the functionality of Roms ecc. I'm still new in this world and i have a lot of things to learn, so im asking you guys, because you know more than me, so i could learn somthing from you.
Biggest problem of mobile devices is lack of good boot "catcher", as in BIOS, whom would allow custom kernel load.
Despite being binary compable(not always), the way android is being started differs.
The best we are getting is unlocked BL, but never open one.
Also, you have mentioned china devices.
On some chinese smartphones fully open bootloader is present, that's why it is possible to launch ubuntu and even windows(on atom tablets).
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Just wondering I read that there are development on running unbuntu on the TF700 (dual boot I think?)
what is the status of that and how stable/reliable is it? It would be great if I can run linux on it and have a true desktop experience.
also any word on if anyone ported Windows 8 RT on this thing? there is an asus table+Dock that have similiar specs to the tf700 that runs Windows RT.
Andriod + Unbuntu + Windows RT triple boot would be a wet dream for me
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geniv said:
Just wondering I read that there are development on running unbuntu on the TF700 (dual boot I think?)
what is the status of that and how stable/reliable is it? It would be great if I can run linux on it and have a true desktop experience.
also any word on if anyone ported Windows 8 RT on this thing? there is an asus table+Dock that have similiar specs to the tf700 that runs Windows RT.
Andriod + Unbuntu + Windows RT triple boot would be a wet dream for me
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Linux runs great, other than a workaround needed for sleep, pretty much everything thing else works fine. Kexecboot allows for multiboot of pretty much anything, ubuntu, android and ubuntu touch (no reason it wouldn't work if the kernel is patched for kexec, but afaik it hasn't been tested). The only way we would ever be able to run windows rt is if Microsoft/ Asus released the tf600 firmware, bootloader etc (will never happen).
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Linux runs great, other than a workaround needed for sleep, pretty much everything thing else works fine. Kexecboot allows for multiboot of pretty much anything, ubuntu, android and ubuntu touch (no reason it wouldn't work if the kernel is patched for kexec, but afaik it hasn't been tested). The only way we would ever be able to run windows rt is if Microsoft/ Asus released the tf600 firmware, bootloader etc (will never happen).
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from searching it seems like only Unbuntu linux can run on it. but the youtube videos I seen are like 8 months old and the development on thread on XDA seems to be closed for some reason.
In this state is Unbuntu fast/stable enough to be used as a daily driver?
can I get software from the software center app like how unbuntu is on my desktop or do the apps have to be designed specifically for the arm version of unbuntu? (I'm trying to get stuff like libre office, adacity and gimp running on it)
where is the latest info on dual booting to it? I got cromix 5.2.3 installed.
sorry if I seems to ask too much I'm still new to this
THANKS FOR THE HELP AND HAPPY HOLIDAY!
geniv said:
from searching it seems like only Unbuntu linux can run on it. but the youtube videos I seen are like 8 months old and the development on thread on XDA seems to be closed for some reason.
In this state is Unbuntu fast/stable enough to be used as a daily driver?
can I get software from the software center app like how unbuntu is on my desktop or do the apps have to be designed specifically for the arm version of unbuntu? (I'm trying to get stuff like libre office, adacity and gimp running on it)
where is the latest info on dual booting to it? I got cromix 5.2.3 installed.
sorry if I seems to ask too much I'm still new to this
THANKS FOR THE HELP AND HAPPY HOLIDAY!
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Basically any armhf distro will run, debian, gentoo etc but it will require prepping the rootfs to work with our solution. For now ubuntu 13.04 and arch linux are supported, also its pretty easy to use debootstrap to setup up your own debian based rootfs.
ubuntu/ linux can be easily used as a daily driver, we have working 2d and 3d acceleration so it feels like your working on an ordinary notebook.
Packages need to be compiled for armhf, but pretty much everything is compatible(all your above examples work fine.)
For info, look in the threads started by @workdowg in the general section, we also have kexecboot, which is more flexible but does require some setting up
hi there the possibilities for our device is endless it is definitely possible for our to dual boot windows xp and android with our device maybe we could make it run on our armv7 processor if someone is able to do this project i can help
aaronjasper49 said:
hi there the possibilities for our device is endless it is definitely possible for our to dual boot windows xp and android with our device maybe we could make it run on our armv7 processor if someone is able to do this project i can help
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Windows XP ? Impossible not going to happen, not worth the effort.
Windows 8 RT, Possible, not worth the effort..
Recommendation: If you need or really want to have both, buy a Lenovo or Dell WIndows 8.1 tablet for less than $200 and you will be much happier.
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aaronjasper49 said:
hi there the possibilities for our device is endless it is definitely possible for our to dual boot windows xp and android with our device maybe we could make it run on our armv7 processor if someone is able to do this project i can help
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So you want to Dualboot Windows XP and Android ?
May I know which device you've ?
One thing is sure, YOU CANT DO THAT ON A TAB
Many members including myself got idea of running Windows 8 x86 on Tab 3 10.1 since it have a 32Bits kernel, but nothing happened.
Never
I think this will never happen, because of mainly two things:
1. No drivers available, you would have to write them all cause there are no preconfigured ones.
2. Windows is closed source.
You would need to be a Dev at Samsung, otherwise you will never have an insight into the specific hardware of those devices. Samsung but also Intel (in case of the 10.1) don't publish most of their documents.
No.
hey,
if you want to really understand what windows xp will be like run it through an emulator.
now, don't get me wrong, i loved windows xp, hated everything before it hated everything after it.
apple is bull****.
Linux is beautiful.
Android is commerce riddled slop and needs to die a horrible flamey cinematic death accompanied by bad lighting
and a third rate orchestra trying to play anything while being fed into the woodchipper of your choice.
anyway the point outside of my ranting is, maybe yes but seriously no.
as soon as i figure out how to get a decent lightweight linux distro running on this thing then i might be able to
get wine going. better to get a windows-able tablet pc and dual-boot android x86.
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Hi,
I got a tablet with an Intel Atom Z3745 Soc. The OS that comes shipped with this tablet is Android. I was wondering if it is possible to replace Android with Windows or a Linux Distro since the tablet runs on an Intel x64 soc? Any suggustions?
Tnx
Z37Z said:
Hi,
I got a tablet with an Intel Atom Z3745 Soc. The OS that comes shipped with this tablet is Android. I was wondering if it is possible to replace Android with Windows or a Linux Distro since the tablet runs on an Intel x64 soc? Any suggustions?
Tnx
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I don't know for sure, I'll do a little research..
But if it is possible, I'm sure that it would be quite difficult. :laugh:
I already did some research on Google and other sites. Couldn't find anything usefull. I think the problem lays on having no bios/uefi on the board instead there is Droidboot Provision OS. If there was a bios/uefi it would have been a piece of cake.But any thoughts are helpfull. Thanks.
Ah, I see.
Well, I better resign from this thread now before I cause any damage, as I am an avid Windows user and and avid Android user, but I don't have any experience with attempting to change a device's operating system.
Farewell, good sir.
thanks for your contribution.
Farewell.
Recently I read you can't replace android with Windows os on a phone because it's specifically made for Android
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I'm looking for a phone I can buy that I can either dual boot or convert to run windows desktop - It can be xp, win 8.1 or 10. I have one desktop app I want to run on it. Prefer the screen not to exceed 5 inches. Can you direct me to the product and threads on how to do this?
777dan777 said:
I'm looking for a phone I can buy that I can either dual boot or convert to run windows desktop - It can be xp, win 8.1 or 10. I have one desktop app I want to run on it. Prefer the screen not to exceed 5 inches. Can you direct me to the product and threads on how to do this?
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Hello, and welcome to XDA!
In theory, many devices have the capability for this, through the QEMU emulator - a prerequisite is having a device that can meet the specs (particularly enough RAM - 3GB or more - and storage - 16GB device or better). Ultimately, this will be slow, and often (if not everytime), you can forget about sound or graphics acceleration like done through DirectX. So if your desktop app is a game, well, you will be out of luck.
I am aware of a phone for sure, but the screen may be too big for you (mind you, due to the bezels, it's a small 5.5" device). I came across the thread after I bought one myself. It's the ASUS ZenFone 2 (Z00A/551ML):
> Asus ZenFone 2 > ZenFone 2 General > ZF2 Running Windows 7, 8 & 10 using KVM
The ZF2 is an Intel device, so things run a little more natively than say, a Qcom device (performance should be improved as a result).
Any questions you may have about this device against the Windows VM can be asked in that thread.
Edit: There's this too, which would be a generic solution to other high-end devices (although the guide caps out at 32-bit Windows OS'es)
Finally, I should mention, that these are all band-aid solutions. The best solution is to find an Android-equivalent app to that desktop app you want on the phone. These days, depending on the purpose, it shouldn't be that hard.
Hope this helps, and good luck!