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I've played with my gtablet since they first came out. I have to say, as a preface, that it's not that I dislike the device. I think, at this point, an Android tablet has more "wow factor" than sustenance. With a nice, dual-screen desktop, a convertible notebook, and a good Android-based phone, I can't figure where this device fits it. I'd hoped for a replacement for my aging laptop, but the tablet just doesn't cut the mustard.
I have known about the downfalls of the software (the main reason my local Sears will get for my return), and I really do think that with better developed software, this will be a good device for $400. It's got excellent hardware (the screen excepted) and immense potential for those willing to put in the time to get it working. However, for what I had planned to do with the device, it's just not up to par for the amount of time I have to invest in it.
I look at the issue in this light: for another $150, I can get a device that is much more in line with what I use a computer for in the first place. I take handwritten notes in class, and capacitive touch isn't good for that -- strikes to the Lenovo S10 and Dell Inspirion Duo. Also, with Android, I don't have a way to sync back to my network and my catalog of handwritten notes from previous semesters. It's not Google's fault. OneNote is really the best application I've used for taking and organizing notes, and if the online version allowed you to draw, I might even rescind this reason.
I suppose if I had a lot more free time, or if I were a developer / CS person, I'd attempt to port Ubuntu (something that I had contemplated anyhow) over and run it on my tablet. Beyond getting correct drivers for everything, I don't think it would have been that much of a stretch to have done. If I weren't returning the device, I would have even taken the time to make the side buttons on mine backlit.
I'm not jumping ship for an iPad either. The only piece of (cr)Apple hardware in my apartment is my girlfriend's iPod, and it rarely gets used (and when it does, it gets synced with Winamp). Right now, the tablet I would want isn't even on the market yet, and when it does surface, it's going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $1200.
So, if you're still reading, good luck. I hope my contributions to the community were of positive value. I would love to look back a few months from now and say that I should have kept it. I think it's going to take a lot of work from the community at large for that to happen, and you all are going to be the ones who lead the way. The work you guys have done (especially roebeet, et. al with the firmware mods) has been tremendous.
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By the way, my tablet will be going back to the store at the University Mall in Tuscaloosa, AL if anybody is looking for one to pick up in the outlet. It will most likely still have clockwork recovery on it with the updated firmware in tow.
It was a pleasure reading your posts and I wish you well.
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It was a pleasure reading your posts and I wish you well.
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You'll be back. You're gonna return yours then by your own refurb haha.. jk. Is that even possible? Hmmmm
I also will be taking my tablet back at this point in time unless you can develop it cant really be a everyday dependable device. Iwent and bought the samsung galaxy tab while yes more pricey but i have since almost compltey replaced my smart phone and haven touched my computer for longer than 10 mins to sync some comic books
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After all these mods, I'm keeping my g tablet, at least for the time being.
The galaxy tab is just awful.
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I don't think the galaxy tab is awful but I don't think any tablet out today can practically replace a smartphone/phone or replace a laptop for that matter. IMO, tablets are for leisure. I'm also keeping my gtablet because I have a great smarthphone and an okay laptop already. I just need something more accessible than a laptop and a bigger screen than my smartphone.
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I also will be taking my tablet back at this point in time unless you can develop it cant really be a everyday dependable device. Iwent and bought the samsung galaxy tab while yes more pricey but i have since almost compltey replaced my smart phone and haven touched my computer for longer than 10 mins to sync some comic books
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I just have to say ew, and I'm a sprint supervisor for technical support.
Out of box and no modding, I would not keep this device either. Modded is another thing, since the device is amazing with the Nvidia driver patch from last night.
TnT Lite 2.0 + 2.03 Nvidia patch + Flash + Market fix = Kick a55 device.
Catch is 90% or more that get this device during the holidays will be non modders, so I understand the perspective, since fits the majority.
Viewsonic now have a community made FW package that would save their butts for massive returns with this device and actually make money. No way current state results in net positive $, come January.
Seems to me which is cheaper?
60,000 units sold x 70% returns (fair guess) = 42,000 x $100 (repack/refurb costs).......... $4.2 million cost impact for mass return scenario, or put a rom package on devices that works great and people will love and result in sales and increased demand......WHICH would you pick?
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Almost Going Back but Now .....
I had issues last night connecting to the internet. I was running stock ROM with a few sideloaded apps including Dolphin browser. Thought I had screwed it up. Unistalled everything to bring it back (close) to stock before the return later today. Then found out my wife was also having issues on her MacBook last night (PCs were all o.k.). Chalking it up to router (which I could see from the tablet).
So decided to play with the TnTLite V2 and 2.02. Now I am back on the keeping side of the ledger. I would feel better about this decision if I had paid much less for the unit, and I think we will be able to find lots of these returned and available in the next few weeks, but I am not going to wait that long. I have some travel coming and want to have this operational.
Last things I am hoping for: Music and Video off SDCard 2, tether unit to my Blackberry, Video chat operational. I am sure over the next few weeks, 2 out of 3 items will be checked off my list.
I only have a few more days to decide (14 day return at Staples!) but the scale is tipped toward keeping the device this afternoon.
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I don't think any tablet out today can practically replace a smartphone/phone or replace a laptop for that matter. IMO, tablets are for leisure.
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Exactly... Tablet for surfing, video conf., emails, videos and games. Latop for work stuff. My wife does nothing more than surf the net, facebook, shop for stuff for the kids, etc etc. It's a perfect replacement for her aging laptop. If she needs to write a letter or do some "work" she can use my work laptop or the quad-core server in the office. For me, I just want something smaller than my laptop to surf and play games with.
So a replacement for a computer... No.
In addition to a laptop/computer... Yes.
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I had issues last night connecting to the internet. I was running stock ROM with a few sideloaded apps including Dolphin browser. Thought I had screwed it up. Unistalled everything to bring it back (close) to stock before the return later today. Then found out my wife was also having issues on her MacBook last night (PCs were all o.k.). Chalking it up to router (which I could see from the tablet).
So decided to play with the TnTLite V2 and 2.02. Now I am back on the keeping side of the ledger. I would feel better about this decision if I had paid much less for the unit, and I think we will be able to find lots of these returned and available in the next few weeks, but I am not going to wait that long. I have some travel coming and want to have this operational.
Last things I am hoping for: Music and Video off SDCard 2, tether unit to my Blackberry, Video chat operational. I am sure over the next few weeks, 2 out of 3 items will be checked off my list.
I only have a few more days to decide (14 day return at Staples!) but the scale is tipped toward keeping the device this afternoon.
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When I initially heard about the GTab I was pretty excited for the hardware, but the software made me throw up a little in my mouth, so I completely dismissed it as a serious contender, and thus had my eye on the Archos 101.
After getting completely frustrated trying to track one down for purchase (Archos did a HORRIBLE job with initial supply) I was doing more research and saw that not only was the GTab completely unlocked (read: Hacker's Playground) and that the XDA community was already behind the device with several ROMs and hacks I actually scoffed at myself for ever considering buying the Archos.
2x as much RAM, easily 2x better CPU and graphics, 1080p out, android 2.2, and i could run down to my local Sears and pick one up immediately!!!
Ran down to Sears, grabbed a GTab, and w/in 5 minutes of opening it up I already had CM6.1, flash 10.1, full market, and all GApps. It was too good to be true. Decided to try out TnTLite and definitely a better "everyday" ROM than CM6.1 at this point, but that may not be the case in another week.
With the Tegra update from last night this thing screams. Flash plays just as well as my PC and the battery life is insanely impressive. I can't even imagine Gingerbread which *should* hopefully add support for the second CPU core.
Only complaints thus far: horrible viewing angle on the screen (turns out it's not so bad when you're actually watching a movie) and no backlit buttons.
COULD NOT BE HAPPIER WITH MY PURCHASE! This thing is going to make traveling this X-Mas with my kids a breeze. w00t!
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You'll be back. You're gonna return yours then by your own refurb haha.. jk. Is that even possible? Hmmmm
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The thought's crossed my mind. All the convertible notebooks I want are like $2k and $3k, and I don't have that kind of money to throw around. I'm kinda swinging towards picking up either a Dell mini 10 and modding it, or grabbing one of the ASUS 101MTs. I've gotten the "eww, Atom" remark already, and what I use a laptop for, an Atom is fine. I've been working on a 14" tablet for 3 years now that's running a Core Solo (even started with a half-gig of RAM). It's starting to show its age, which is the whole reason I considered the gtablet to begin with.
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Out of box and no modding, I would not keep this device either. Modded is another thing, since the device is amazing with the Nvidia driver patch from last night.
TnT Lite 2.0 + 2.03 Nvidia patch + Flash + Market fix = Kick a55 device.
Catch is 90% or more that get this device during the holidays will be non modders, so I understand the perspective, since fits the majority.
Viewsonic now have a community made FW package that would save their butts for massive returns with this device and actually make money. No way current state results in net positive $, come January.
Seems to me which is cheaper?
60,000 units sold x 70% returns (fair guess) = 42,000 x $100 (repack/refurb costs).......... $4.2 million cost impact for mass return scenario, or put a rom package on devices that works great and people will love and result in sales and increased demand......WHICH would you pick?
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I agree completely. I was running TnT Lite on mine with the Flash APK, market fix, and a few apps. Viewsonic's update helped with the UI responsiveness, but Android (or the speed...) wasn't my problem. It just felt like the tablet was more like a toy than what I wanted it for.
Like I mentioned in the OP, if I would have kept the device, I would have put Ubuntu on it (or give up trying...) and modded it hardware-wise. Really, time was my biggest enemy with the tablet. If Sears return policy was at 90 days, I would have probably ended up keeping the thing. With the end of the semester approaching and a ever-growing list of things I need to do, I didn't have the spare time to invest.
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If I learned anything from the experience, it's this:
If you're on the bleeding edge, sometimes you get cut
Capacitive touch screen devices are not good for note-taking. As such, if you ever intend to market something to students (I know, Viewsonic didn't...), either go resistive or Wacom. Or create an awesome stylus.
Release good products and the community will thrive on them. release mediocre products and you will have to thrive on the community.
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When I initially heard about the GTab I was pretty excited for the hardware, but the software made me throw up a little in my mouth, so I completely dismissed it as a serious contender, and thus had my eye on the Archos 101.
After getting completely frustrated trying to track one down for purchase (Archos did a HORRIBLE job with initial supply) I was doing more research and saw that not only was the GTab completely unlocked (read: Hacker's Playground) and that the XDA community was already behind the device with several ROMs and hacks I actually scoffed at myself for ever considering buying the Archos.
2x as much RAM, easily 2x better CPU and graphics, 1080p out, android 2.2, and i could run down to my local Sears and pick one up immediately!!!
Ran down to Sears, grabbed a GTab, and w/in 5 minutes of opening it up I already had CM6.1, flash 10.1, full market, and all GApps. It was too good to be true. Decided to try out TnTLite and definitely a better "everyday" ROM than CM6.1 at this point, but that may not be the case in another week.
With the Tegra update from last night this thing screams. Flash plays just as well as my PC and the battery life is insanely impressive. I can't even imagine Gingerbread which *should* hopefully add support for the second CPU core.
Only complaints thus far: horrible viewing angle on the screen (turns out it's not so bad when you're actually watching a movie) and no backlit buttons.
COULD NOT BE HAPPIER WITH MY PURCHASE! This thing is going to make traveling this X-Mas with my kids a breeze. w00t!
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My exact experience to a T. Now with the updated drivers pack Tnt lite screams. Smooth as butta
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Wow after reading all post and being past my prime and wanting a pad badly I have decided I should wait for a more stable and suitable pad for my age group thanks to all of you who contributed in helping me with the decision of waiting maybe for Gingerbread.
guarionexpr said:
Wow after reading all post and being past my prime and wanting a pad badly I have decided I should wait for a more stable and suitable pad for my age group thanks to all of you who contributed in helping me with the decision of waiting maybe for Gingerbread.
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If not a modder, the Gtablet is a dubious purchase, but 12/19 is when the official update comes for the Gtablet. Curious if they fix anything already fixed here.
Can anything involving the screen be improved with updates? I have been a fan of Android for a while and have a rooted EVO that I couldn't be more happy with. When I picked up my G tab I was thinking that all would be well with a little modding but I am not sure I can get past the screen.
I am looking for a good leisure device for the home and family, along with something and I can "hobby-mod". I am a little worried that with the viewing angles you won't be able to just relax and piddle on it. I think I grossly underestimated this shortfall of the hardware.
I swung by a Verizon store and spent about 20 minutes with the iPad and Galaxy Tab. Man, those are some pretty displays.
Is there any hope? I have TNT 2.04 and, performance-wise, I am content and can be patient for updates. Just those darn viewing angles....
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Can anything involving the screen be improved with updates? I have been a fan of Android for a while and have a rooted EVO that I couldn't be more happy with. When I picked up my G tab I was thinking that all would be well with a little modding but I am not sure I can get past the screen.
I am looking for a good leisure device for the home and family, along with something and I can "hobby-mod". I am a little worried that with the viewing angles you won't be able to just relax and piddle on it. I think I grossly underestimated this shortfall of the hardware.
I swung by a Verizon store and spent about 20 minutes with the iPad and Galaxy Tab. Man, those are some pretty displays.
Is there any hope? I have TNT 2.04 and, performance-wise, I am content and can be patient for updates. Just those darn viewing angles....
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I was wondering this too. I am very happy with the performance but the angles are killing me. I've only had it for 2 days and other than that I'm thrilled. Sadly, that may be a deal breaker. Landscape is ok but portrait is awful.
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I was wondering this too. I am very happy with the performance but the angles are killing me. I've only had it for 2 days and other than that I'm thrilled. Sadly, that may be a deal breaker. Landscape is ok but portrait is awful.
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Apparently, Engadget's review of the Dell Inspiron Duo was equally harsh on the screen angles. Netbook screens FTL.
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I was wondering this too. I am very happy with the performance but the angles are killing me. I've only had it for 2 days and other than that I'm thrilled. Sadly, that may be a deal breaker. Landscape is ok but portrait is awful.
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I've had my Gtab for almost a month, I've gotten used to the angles. It did bug me for the first week but as I tweaked this device and performance increase I've gotten over the sub par viewing angles. I think the tab's display is tolerable.
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I've had my Gtab for almost a month, I've gotten used to the angles. It did bug me for the first week but as I tweaked this device and performance increase I've gotten over the sub par viewing angles. I think the tab's display is tolerable.
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That's what I'm hoping for is I'll just get used to it. It's only been two days at this point.
I think it's the best option right now with the hardware and performance but I just have not been completely ok with the $400 price tag for the display yet. I had debated taking it back and just getting a refurb Ipad for $450 but it has it's shortcomings as well and I would much rather have Android.
I bought my gtablet 2 weeks ago. I have 30 days to return the baby. Following are my questions.
1. I know lot of pundits are calling 2011 as the year of tablets. Did I jump the gun and bought it too early? gtab's spec was the reason for the buy.
2. Do you think in the future they will release firmware update to honeycomb since google doesn't recommend froyo for tablets?
3. lot of the current apps dont work.
4. you tube streaming is horrible.
5. last but not least the screen.
I appreciate the efforts of several guys on this forum for supporting the device. however I am still on the side line as far as introducing other roms on the device. so it limits my gtab to some extent.
Difficult question to answer since it ultimately depends on your expectations and personality. Viewsonic has (recently) been pretty good about releasing updates and working with the dev community here at XDA; that indicates that there is a possibility (not certainty) that they will continue to do so into the new year. The G-tablet's hardware will support Honeycomb, so it is reasonable to expect them to release an update IF Honeycomb is released within Q1 or Q2 of 2011.
If you are holding back on loading a rom, the question we need to know "why" before we can give you more meaningful advice. If you're holding off because you're considering returning the unit, that's one thing (and understandable). If, however, you are uncomfortable loading roms, that's another. All I can tell you is that the G-Tablet is a fantastic device with both VEGAn and TnTLite--much better and faster than stock TnT. I anticipate the XDA devs will probably actively develop/improve their roms for at least Q1 & Q2; probably longer if Honeycomb is released within that timeframe. We must acknowledge, however, that Viewsonic's recent updates are making strides into improving the user experience, so that remains an alternative. Bottom line: if you're willing to educate yourself on loading roms and doing the market fix, the G-Tablet is the best bargain out there currently.
As to some apps not working, some apps don't work on my HTC Evo either. The G-Tablet seems to run most apps very well. This is surprising since Froyo & Gingerbread apps aren't really designed for tablets. I see no reason to be alarmed regarding the G-Tablet's ability to run apps or play YouTube currently (which I have no problem with on TnTLite or VEGAn).
There will be better tablets released this year. For one thing, the G-Tablet's screen is poor quality when viewed at an angle. Also the front facing camera is mediocre at best. Other than those 2 issues, the hardware is very solid and will probably not be surpassed until Q3 of 2011.
no. do not keep it. i had one last week for two days (long enough to experience the latest update). its not great without the willingness to mod it by the end user.
today i bought a galaxy tab, and its exactly what i was hoping for when i bought the gtablet last week. sure, i now have a monthly data subscription, but only for the first 6 months (tmobile) and then i can drop it. and yes, i did spend more on the device... but maybe thats why the viewsonic product was so bad, because its an entry model device based on awful software and flimsy hardware (mine creaked).
the samsung has everything i was looking for... android market, swype, youtube, flash, etc. etc. etc... its just awesome.
dont wait too long to return. youll be sorry.
No one can answer that question for you, it is for you to decide. Not even the above poster's answer is valid - except for him and his experience. I also tried the Galaxy Tab and I hated it. Yes, much nicer screen, but the seven inch size was a no go for me. Everyone's needs and experience is different so don't do anything based on what someone here tells you to do.
If you feel up to mod'ing the G you can end up with a nicely functioning tablet, albeit with a screen that has a lousy viewing angle, but, on the other hand for a lot less money than other alternatives.
I am a total noob to Android and went to the irc chat room for the G and someone there walked me through the rom change. I now have a nice unit, runs smoothly, fairly fast and its doing what I need it to do. It still has a lousy screen viewing angle but I also have an extra few hundred bucks in my pocket that I didn't have to put out for a Galaxy that I didn't like.
Ultimately it has to be your decision. There are a number of people in here who are willing to help out if you want to take advantage of their help.
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Take it back quickly. Get the Galaxy Tab......wait...didnt I just hear they are locking down the bootloader on it. No Gingerbread or Honeycomb unless Samsung lets you have it. So it has the the potential of being outdated already. But seriously, if your having 2nd thoughts about a purchase....RETURN IT!!!! It's your money. Why would anything we have to say have any bearing on your remorse.
If you're having buyers remorse already then I would say return it. Usually when someone asks a question like that they have issues or gripes with the device. This tablet has the hardware to be great and the software is catching up to it. There is a decent backing behind the product and that's a great thing. As for the screen users have been running tests with other screens to try and find an alternative.
For me I personally love modding my device to make it my own. If you're the type of person that wants a complete out of the box working tablet then I would return it.
I don't think any of the tabs out today has an advantage over the other. If ur gonna return the gtablet, don't get anything else that's out right now. I would just wait a few months. Or at least wait til the prices drop on the alternative tablets.
As other posters has said, u haven't seen the capabilities of this tablet without flashing a rom or modifying the stock ui.
Just to answer some of ur questions
No I don't think u bought it too early because tegra 2 tabs are gonna be expensive next yr albeit they will probably have better screens and camera. You just purchased a tablet with next years hottest cpu at a pretty fair price.
Yes, viewsonic has earned my trust that they will update this device. I also have the utmost confidence in our current devs to bring us faster roms.
All the apps I have works. If ur talking about the g sensor games then I would agree but that's not a lot of apps.
You tube streaming is super fast on my vegan tab. Other flash sites too! Especially justin tv. I have a wireless n router and when I stream from those sites no stutter at all.
And the screen...umm no comment lol.
Overall, I'm happy with my purchase and u should be too unless u got extra money to spend and/orthe patience to wait til next yr.
No....send it to me.
Thanks everyone. I am not new to android. Mt3g and currently vibrant. But never flashed a rom. So nervous. Things I like are hardware and no contract. On top of that I got it for 30% off. So really a bargain. But I offset it by buying extended warranty.
Called viewsonic cs but that number is not working. Tried 4 times, after the automated voice and 10 mins hold the call disconnects and it got me concerned.
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the samsung has everything i was looking for... android market, swype, youtube, flash, etc. etc. etc... its just awesome.
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Funny, I can say the same things about my GTablet. Granted, it's maybe 95%-98% of the Market, and I had to tinker with it, but I'm a big boy who likes to tinker.
Unfortunately, the devs here have taken away some of the fun by making it so easy to download and flash the rom.
But hey, glad you are enjoying your Galaxy Tab. And if you were so unhappy with your GTablet, stop trolling the GTablet forums.
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Funny, I can say the same things about my GTablet. Granted, it's maybe 95%-98% of the Market, and I had to tinker with it, but I'm a big boy who likes to tinker.
Unfortunately, the devs here have taken away some of the fun by making it so easy to download and flash the rom.
But hey, glad you are enjoying your Galaxy Tab. And if you were so unhappy with your GTablet, stop trolling the GTablet forums.
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ill rephrase for the sensitive folks... some people need (or want) the device to work out of the box, no changes required. the gtablet just isnt that device.
in an increasingly crowded marketplace where devices are getting better and better at launch, a device like the gtab takes a backseat for out of the box readiness. yes, you can mod till youre blue in the face and get it to do most of what others do from the get go, but having to mod to get it almost there is not optimal for every user.
and to the other deflating comment, i love XDA and i will troll whatever forums and whenever i wish... pardon me for posting an opinion in a public forum.
I was also worried I made a bad decision with my gtab purchase a week ago as well. I came in to an unexpected $400 and decided to treat myself to a gtablet. The day after I got it I flashed the vegan 3 rom. That fixed the "bad software" issue for sure. The my only concern was with the screen. But my worry was 2 fold: 1) viewing angles. 2) "fuzzy" graphics. I'm used to my Droid X having razor sharp fonts and graphics, which the gtab does not. Part of the problem is the screen quality which is related to the viewing angle. I think the bigger part has to do with resolution. The gtab resolution is 1024 x600 pixels @ 10.1" while the Droid X is 854 x 480 @ 4.3". Packing 66% of the pixels into 42% of the screen size helps make things sharper.
So I'm now at the point where I'll keep the gtab. I'm not 100% satisfied, but it's pretty damn good. Maybe there will be luck with finding a better LCD that can be dropped in. If next year a better tegra 2 tablet comes out, then I might just switch and sell my gtab on ebay. I won't get what I paid for it, but I'm hoping to get at least $250 for it. I would have gotten $130 worth of use out of it.
As for flashing a new rom; It is really easy to do with the proper instructions. I had not done any rom flashing since I have a droid x, and was kinda reluctant as well. But now I look back and realize there really wasn't anything to be nervous over. Most of the "caution, you may brick your device" warnings you read are similar to the medical wavers you sign that say "you might die" even though you are just getting some teeth pulled. Yes, it can happen. But most of the time everything works out fine.
I think you would need to be happy with it the way it is today to keep it. There are no guarantees that it will get any further updates from VS. In fact it really seems like a product that they had branded just for the holidays.
I'm still undecided about mine, but I suspect that once I see what comes out of CES, the gtablet will probably go back to Sears.
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I bought my gtablet 2 weeks ago. I have 30 days to return the baby. Following are my questions.
1. I know lot of pundits are calling 2011 as the year of tablets. Did I jump the gun and bought it too early? gtab's spec was the reason for the buy.
2. Do you think in the future they will release firmware update to honeycomb since google doesn't recommend froyo for tablets?
3. lot of the current apps dont work.
4. you tube streaming is horrible.
5. last but not least the screen.
I appreciate the efforts of several guys on this forum for supporting the device. however I am still on the side line as far as introducing other roms on the device. so it limits my gtab to some extent.
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ill rephrase for the sensitive folks... some people need (or want) the device to work out of the box, no changes required. the gtablet just isnt that device.
in an increasingly crowded marketplace where devices are getting better and better at launch, a device like the gtab takes a backseat for out of the box readiness. yes, you can mod till youre blue in the face and get it to do most of what others do from the get go, but having to mod to get it almost there is not optimal for every user.
and to the other deflating comment, i love XDA and i will troll whatever forums and whenever i wish... pardon me for posting an opinion in a public forum.
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Sam, I agree with the people who've said that noone can tell you. As someone who prefers not to mod myself, I am right there with you in feeling out the insecurities of dropping a chunk of change on something that may or may not be faulty in relation to actual hardware or that's shaky in terms of future software releases and support. The thing is, in a case like this, we're all early adopters here....and the problem with cookie cutter devices like the G Tablet (cookie cutter meaning the same base hardware as a plethora of devices coming soon) is that it really doesn't get a whole lot of respect in terms of software from the people that sell it because at the end of the the day, they're in it for the money like all companies are but more so they're not all about loyalty or trying to keep customers. If they can get you to keep your device for 30 days - that's money in their pocket no matter what.
That is the raw, real truth of the matter. I have certainly had my own ups and downs with it but unless there's a DEEP hardware issue - I'm not seeing a reason to return mine. If you REALLY don't want to mess around with ROMs and 3389 (newest OTA) isn't satisfactory for you, then I'd say return it. Something faster and better will always be on the horizon, and if you keep returning or waiting for the next best thing, you end up with nothing. And we'll always have buyers remorse, believe me...there's always a reason to return a buy.
At this point, we have no guarantees that Viewsonic will support it beyond Froyo. They have never claimed, nor said they would and when it comes to devices like this. That's a cold hard fact. They're dabbling in the tablet waters, and if it doesn't 'work out' for them they could just decide to call it quits in terms of releasing updates and supporting it. Even if they do decide to go ahead and jump into the market, when they release new equipment we don't really have anyone at viewsonic saying "don't worry, your tablet will be upgraded for as long as it can be". We just have to hope and have faith.
I would say, if you really don't want to nor see yourself modding your tablet. Even in the lightest, then maybe it isn't the device for you. Get an iPad...where you know Apple has a vested interest and will release updates for it as long as it can be updated. But if you see yourself dabbling, even a little bit (it really is pretty easy and for the most part safe), then I believe 100% that this tablet is going to be a powerhouse next year when honeycomb hits (barring any unforeseen internal hardware faults currently).
To Nexus, you've made a point in that the Galaxy Tab IS indeed a great device and workable right out of the box but there are pretty big differences which make them very different. I also think that yes, it is preferable to the G Tablet for people who want that out of the box usefulness. But is the Galaxy Tab a value, I really don't think so. Quite simply, you're paying a lot more for a lot less.
Kind of like buying a VW Bug with great insides vs. a VW Touareg with some glitchy insides (that are quite possibly fixable in the near future).
For one, the Galaxy Tab is single core - meaning right now what you see is what you get. The G Tablet will have new doors opened when Honeycomb allows the second core to be utilized synchronously (I think? and hope). The Galaxy Tab is a 7inch device which by all means is a big difference than the 10inch G Tablet. I have used 7inch devices and they feel like really big phones. Still quite usable and maybe even preferable by some, but not all. The G Tablet feels like flat computer in comparison and the bigger screen is obviously noticeable. The Galaxy Tab is $200 more than the G Tablet without a contract. It is $350 with a contract, but you must have data on the account for, you say 6 months, right? That's still a minimum of $530. Is the G Tablet perfect, no way. But by all means it's great hardware with great potential for a value price right now. The Galaxy Tab on the other hand, is a great out of the box experience fit for anyone out there, but lacking the power and potential of the G Tablet - better screen? sure...but not necessarily a better buy.
Coming from owning a Vibrant, maybe I'm a little biased, but I wouldn't be too sure Samsung will be paying attention to the Tab for too long into next year, especially when the new hotness the Galaxy Tab 2 is released....and all this talk about locking bootloaders etc. I dunno. I feel better that even if VS takes a dump and refocuses elsewhere, at least the devs here will be taking care of us for a while.
^^^ Very insightful reply. And, you made some good points I had not considered.
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Thanks everyone. I am not new to android. Mt3g and currently vibrant. But never flashed a rom. So nervous. Things I like are hardware and no contract. On top of that I got it for 30% off. So really a bargain. But I offset it by buying extended warranty.
Called viewsonic cs but that number is not working. Tried 4 times, after the automated voice and 10 mins hold the call disconnects and it got me concerned.
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30% off!!!! U lucky son of a gun haha. Well that makes the gtab a great buy. I'm jealous.
I was disapointed until Loaded Vegan and did the calibaration fix,also practically bricked it and had to load ubuntu linux cuz windows driver would not work but now i am very happy this thing is so fast!
And mind you the software is not optimized for Dual core processor.
Definately not for the none tech inclined.But if you are willing to root and want a solid Android device this is it!
I could get a galaxy tab but why would i pay for internet i can tether off my evo for free.
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I will try the simple answer. Keep it.
If you dont want it, ill take it for $250. Wont pay $400 for it from Sears and all the "refurbished" ones on Sears Outlet @ $279 are no where close to me and they dont ship.
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ill rephrase for the sensitive folks... some people need (or want) the device to work out of the box, no changes required. the gtablet just isnt that device.
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Completely agree with you. The Galaxy Tab is, in fact, the closest thing to an Android tablet that works out of the box.
Anyone buying an Android tablet before June 2011 is basically an early adopter. If you want something that Just Works(tm), your best bet is to go the premium route and get a Galaxy Tab. If you don't have the money and don't want a service contract, you're going to have to do some hacking in some way, shape or form to get things working.
And yeah, I can be a crabby ***** sometimes.
Hey all, I have had the Gtab now for about two weeks and have been loving it. Running CM7 nightlies it has been smooth and crash free.
That being said I have been eyeing the Transformer. I am kind of a freak when it comes to having the latest and greatest when it comes to smart phones and when I got into the tablet market I wasnt sure if I would really use it much over my android phone.
Well after two weeks I can say I am hooked on tablets now and love having one. The only thing I am not liking about the Gtab is the weight is a little on the heavy side, it is pretty thick and the screen isnt that great but really doesnt bother me that much.
But being one who likes to get the latest and greatest the transformer is looking nice to me.
I am just curious if any of you transformer/Gtab owners have any opinions on if it is that great of an upgrade to warrant it?
I have read over at the Transformer section and it seems like it has its share of issues from poor construction to rom issues. And it being so new there isnt much on the dev side.
Amazingly my local best buy has them in stock but before I jump ship I was just hoping to get a few opinions.
Thanks!
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One word - Netflix.
If you want the latest hardware/software and you want it to be the thinest and lightest I would tell you to hold out a few weeks for the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 which is lighter/thinner/faster than the new iPad 2.
If you do decide to go for a newer tab, be sure you're ready to dump that one in the fall when the Tegra 3 (Kal-El) tablets start rolling out. It will be a quantum leap forward (5 times the capacity of Tegra 2).
Have Both - Mini Review
GTab - Owned Since October of '10.
Ran custom since pretty much day 2. Started with TNT-Lite, then Vegan, tried CM7 (didn't like the phone feel), running VegaN Ginger RC-1. Love pretty much everything about the tab except for the screen, and lack of backward facing camera. The Screen also has its uses, as in public places, it has built in privacy.
I have crawled through every nook and cranny of the OS, as it is wide open, a hacker's dream. The negatives are the lack of custom accessories. My case is a Solo zippered folio, which works however adds bulk, The dock never officially got sold in the US, and Viewsonic / Tap N Tap not going to include Nvidia, or Malata has pretty much disowned us owners as there is no ginger hardware acceleration (Yet).
I cant wait for a stable Honeycomb port to bring it to the next gen.
Transformer - A1 - 1.5 weeks old
Have not rooted yet, as updates from Asus are still frequent, and root for the last update is not quite there.
Pros: Gorgeous screen, Honeycomb though not polished feels better than ginger, or froyo on the tablet format. built in GPS - location works better than wifi only on the Gtab.
Cons: Lots of apps do not scale, and have not extracted spare parts from the sdk yet. Google Voice app not available in honeycomb, honeycomb does not have SMS capability , No easy USB access, you either need a gender changer, or the dock.
I am happy, however not ecstatic.
I will be keeping both, as the Gtab will probably get handed down, but lets just say currently the A1 is a inside the park homerun as opposed to a Bomb over the green monster. and the Gtab was a legged out triple, or a standup double.
There is a Google Voice app available for Honeycomb, unofficially modified to work -- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11955195&postcount=75 -- I use it daily for texting
I owned a gTab for a few weeks, and now own a TF. The gTab's advantages are a lower price and a USB port, and that's pretty much it (ok, it's probably better for tinkering too). Not knocking the gTab, it's a solid device for the price, but if you're willing to spend an extra $100 or so, you'll be happier with the TF if you're serious about owning a Honeycomb tablet.
However, if you're happy with the gTab and can live with its screen, Honeycomb doesn't have a whole lot to offer right now over 2.3, aside from some apps that are tablet-optimized using HC APIs. You'd probably be better off waiting for another point release from Google, and the inevitable price reductions, or enhancements added at the current price points.
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There is a Google Voice app available for Honeycomb, unofficially modified to work -- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11955195&postcount=75 -- I use it daily for texting
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Thanks for the link. Installed OK testing it now.
Thanks for all the tips and input. I think I will hold onto the Gtab until later in the summer. The Galaxy looks tight but after owning a Samsung android phone I swore I would never buy a Samsung product again. Will run this Gtab out until something in a descent price point and awesome features roll out.
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Technology is always built to be disposable. I always keep that in mind & realize that if one can get past the "need to have" factor, then waiting, no matter how painfully it weighs on ones psyche, is not such a bad thing. I know people who feel that they must have the "latest & greatest", only to find out that they don't. Meanwhile they're spending cash like it grows on trees. Just my thoughts.
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Technology is always built to be disposable. I always keep that in mind & realize that if one can get past the "need to have" factor, then waiting, no matter how painfully it weighs on ones psyche, is not such a bad thing. I know people who feel that they must have the "latest & greatest", only to find out that they don't. Meanwhile they're spending cash like it grows on trees. Just my thoughts.
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Not quite true in this case. There is a real difference in the OS. 2.2, or 2.3.4 (unofficial) are really phone OS's even CM7 feels like a phone interface even after Mad Murdock's tablet tweaks. 3.0 has a tablet feel, and better multitasking. That said different strokes for different folks.
If you can afford it then I suggest going with the transformer.
Transformer is definitely a better polished product. You can tell that they put a lot of work into designing it. Also, Asus is wonderful in their support of the device. Viewsonic just sucks in this department.
I'm keeping my gtab because it is a lot more hackable than the transformer. However, the transformer does look and feel better.
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If you want the latest hardware/software and you want it to be the thinest and lightest I would tell you to hold out a few weeks for the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 which is lighter/thinner/faster than the new iPad 2.
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Or just wait a few more weeks for something better than that. Or wait a few more weeks after that for something even better. Or better yet wait till the fall for tegra 3 tablets.
If you want the latest and greatest, you will just end up not buying anything at all. What's the latest and greatest today will be out-dated by tomorrow.
This is why I tend to buy things slightly outdated for the cheaper prices. They work just as well.
Exactly, that's what I mentioned in my last post. Technology is meant to be disposable. There is always that "latest & greatest" moniker that hangs around & if one waits a bit before jumping onto that wagon, they can get that item at a better price. The other benefit is giving it time to have all the kinks worked out as well as having hand at any mods & tweaks.
I bought my GTab after researching here knowing that there would be better tabs over the Spring and Summer. However I also knew that these would all essentially be the initial tablet launches for the vendors and Android OS for tablets.
So I decided to get a solid yet cheap GTab because of how extensible the guys here at XDA have made it. I felt that if I waited until the late fall and winter season the true next gen of tablets would come out. I know at that point there will be the "next" thing on the horizon, but I feel it will be a good time to jump in completely with the higher end tablets.
I am extremely happy with the GTab despite the screen. My kids will get an excellent hand me down for watching movies and playing games on trips when I get my next tablet.
Yeah, going to hold on to the gtab and use the saved money to buy beer and bbq lol.
Been running cm7 but now trying to talk myself into bottle of smoke...
Just dont want to go through the headache of upgrading to bos to find myself going through the pain of heading back.
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Yeah, going to hold on to the gtab and use the saved money to buy beer and bbq lol.
Been running cm7 but now trying to talk myself into bottle of smoke...
Just dont want to go through the headache of upgrading to bos to find myself going through the pain of heading back.
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I waited past Christmas to get a tablet and it was painful. Checked every day for something to come out. Finally stumbled across g tab and pulled the trigger in February. Have not looked back or forward. You will never have the latest or greatest technology changes every 6 months point and case, those who bought the first galaxy tab now have an outdated item. The price drop astounding.
G tab beats the rest in price and useabilty, without regular inputs tabs are useless by any maker. I'm not going through a cloud or service to have full access to my own files. Anyway the single thing that satisfies me after that is hack ability. Every time I flash a new rom have a new tab therefore I have a device that never loses my attention satisfying the need for me to go out and purchase something else for now. When I get bored with G tab I simply flash another rom. I like the new rom flavor of the month club. More than likely i would be quickly bored with another tab. The next path for tablets won't be just for consumption already been announced. I 'm there already.
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If you do decide to go for a newer tab, be sure you're ready to dump that one in the fall when the Tegra 3 (Kal-El) tablets start rolling out. It will be a quantum leap forward (5 times the capacity of Tegra 2).
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I agree with this guy. I understand the "if you always wait you'll never end up buying anything" argument. But I only believe that when you don't know for sure what is coming down the road. We know for sure that the Tegra3 is coming this year and it's going to be awesome. I think we know enough about it to wait for it. Unlike the people who are waiting for the iPhone5 because nobody knows when that's coming or what upgrades its going to have.
Gtab is my first android tablet. At first I thought I'll be using the tablet mostly for games and videos. Now I found out there are plenty of games that are simply wouldn't work on tablet (either crash or the screen is very tiny).
I'd wait until most apps are mature enough on tablet before upgrading.
If you upgrade now what you'd get is only a better screen and a slightly better build quality. Performance wise I think GTab is perfectly fine (and honeycomb is coming to Gtab as well).
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G tab beats the rest in price and useabilty, without regular inputs tabs are useless by any maker.
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I never used the USB port on my gTab, so I wouldn't say any tablet without it is useless. If I need a file off my networked drives, I can easily do it via a file manager, so the lack of a USB port isn't really a dealbreaker for me, and probably also not for most tablet customers (judging by the fact that the TF sells out immediately after it's in stock anywhere confirms that).
The gTab was the best value tablet until the TF was released. But now I can't really recommend someone buy one for any more than $250, but I would say hold on to the one you have if it's working for you.
Edit: Just saw that the new Toshiba tablet is due out next month, HDMI + USB + removable battery for $429. Only has 8GB built-in though, but it also has a full-sized SD slot, so bumping that up will be cheaper than microSD.
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Yeah, going to hold on to the gtab and use the saved money to buy beer and bbq lol.
Been running cm7 but now trying to talk myself into bottle of smoke...
Just dont want to go through the headache of upgrading to bos to find myself going through the pain of heading back.
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You may want to hold off on BOS until the notion ink devs get their hands on that new HC update that is supposedly coming down the pipe soon. Roebeet has put BOS on hold until something pops over at notion and he gets some decent stuff to work with for the Gtab.
I went from CM7 to BOS a couple of weeks ago. Took me all of one day to figure out I wanted my CM7 back on my Gtab but that was a no go because of the new v1.2 bootloader. I just went ahead and installed Roebeets Brilliant Corners for full functionality until BOS is mature enough for everyday use.
Stick with CM7 if you like what it offers, at least until BOS is fully functional. I just received my Asus Transformer earlier this week and I do realize what HC has to offer. I love it and I do want it on my Gtab as well, but will have to wait a bit during the bug squashing phase of things.
So at my local store there is a deal on this thing, buy now, pay 6months later.
Is it worth buying? I've looked at the reviews and they are all pretty good, I like the touchwize element and the look of the Samsung customised apps on it.
I recently bricked my Sony Tablet S, so looking for something a little different until it's fixed!
Any ideas please?
Well overall, this is a pretty solid tablet. Best in class IMO.
But, that being said, it still has its quirks.
Not to mention no ICS (and we all question whether we'll get it or not)
Also, if u decide to get it, don't expect any AOSP (CM, AOKP, MIUI) for some time. Samsung isn't cooperating with us by withholding some important bits of source that we need.
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Thanks for the feedback, for me it's not about the ROM's, but the usage. Is it stable, fast, pretty lag free?
I can get it, use it under a 15day money back guarentee.
It's a great tablet. I've had an iPad, a Samsung Galaxy Tab (original 3G 7 inch) a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and now this, and this is the first one I have been completely happy with.
The hardware is similar to the SGS2, which means its smooth and fast, with sufficient battery life for all the travelling I do. The SGT10.1 had the rather poor Tegra2 chipset which I found quite disappointing, whereas the Xynos in the SGT7+ is fast and stable. The fact that it has a microSD slot is very important to me (The SGT10.1 lacked one and therefore if you got a 16GB one, you were stuck with about 13GB of storage).
At the moment it lacks ICS, but having been using ICS on my Galaxy Nexus for a couple of months, I can live with Honeycomb for now.
I'll be sticking with my SGT7+ for a while I think!
I'm happy with mine overall, but it does have a few issues that may be common to all firmware versions:
1. Bluetooth keyboard/mouse lag has been reported.
2. Analog audio output volume can be low/problematic (I always use a bt headset).
3. I've noticed network lag on every wifi AP I've connected to: 20-150ms fluctuating ping latency to LAN and Internet hosts. Other devices on my LAN, including my old Nook Color, get the expected sub-10ms pings to each other.
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I enjoy this tablet.
I bought this for the 7" form factor. I think it works great. I use it for taking notes, or outlining ideas, along with lots of reading. Web, E-Book, work document review whatever... it works just fine. I also like it for a "second Screen" for podcasts while I'm browsing on my desktop PC.
Cons for me are it seems to warm up on the left side with heavy wifi use, and that is mildly annoying, but tolerable. Touch Wiz seemed to talk up a bunch of RAM and crash on me, I replaced it with Go Launcher HD and haven't had a problem since. I just wish I could ditch it completely.
As far as I can tell at this moment, there isn't a another 7" tablet with the same battery life, feature set, and price point. Ultimately that is why I picked one up.
So TouchWiz isn't good on it?
It was one of the reasons why I'd buy it...
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So TouchWiz isn't good on it?
It was one of the reasons why I'd buy it...
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TouchWiz is fine on mine and on the other units I purchased for floor-use at the plant.
I have had nearly zero issues out of my 7+. Former iPad, Xoom, and Kindle Fire owner here, and the 7+ is easily the best tablet I have owned, TouchWiz included.
Very Good Product, but...
Flyer:
I have had my SGT 7 plus for about a month, and it is my favorite of our five tablets, which include a Nook Color, a Xoom and 2 Transformer 102s; all of which have ICS. It works very smoothly and has all the power I need. However I do not do intensive gaming.
The screen image is bright and clear, and aside of a few force closures, most likely caused by apps mis-behaving, I have had no problems with the stock Honeycomb OS.
Regarding the negative comments about TouchWiz, I feel it has some nice features, but I do not feel the hidden app tray on the bottom of the screen is as handy as it would be if the apps were selectable (if they are I have not figured how).
In response to the comment about TouchWiz consuming a lot of power, I personally have not found that to be the case. To me it just seems to be a feature that is somewhat unobtrusively there if you want to use it (although I would be the first to admit I probably am not familiar with all the features).
Regarding power use in general, compared to my other tablets, my SGT 7 plus is very good. In fact, if I just close the screen, it barely sips power. Of course I am sure that is, in part, because of the way I have it set up.
There are a few things that I wish were different; such as the lack of a stand alone USB connector, and the use of a proprietary charge/usb connector. But to me that is really nitpicking in the overall scheme of things.
The only serious concern I have is the impact the soon to come out SGT 2 7" will have on our getting ICS in a timely manner. There is no doubt in my mind the SGT 7 plus is a better tablet, and an excellent value when bought at the $299 or less sales price even with the Honeycomb OS.
However, it does not have ICS, and presently there is no concrete information as to when/if Samsung will make it available; and, in my opinion, ICS is a much better O.S, so availability of ICS for the SGT 7 plus is a very important consideration in deciding which tablet to buy.
In my opinion, holding prospective and recent customers in limbo in this manner, as Samsung is presently doing, is a terrible way for a company to do business. There is no doubt in my mind the SGT 7 plus is a better built tablet, with more features than the SGT 2 7", but if the SGT 7 plus does not receive the ICS it will be limited in utilization of the new software being developed, and therefore may be basically obsolete within a matter of a couple of months.
Personally, although I love mine, if considering purchasing today, I would wait another month or so to see how this scenario (ICS update) plays out.
Hope this is of help to you!
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For what its worth, Samsung HAS confirmed that we will get the update. Full stop. This was in an officially released press release, which can be found on Samsung Mobile's facebook wall.
Time frame, however, was never officially released except for the fact that the Note and the S2 would get the update first. This, to me, points to no ICS update until the Note gets its update.
Just my two cents on the ICS issue, because I keep seeing people acting like Samsung hasn't said any thing about our tablet, and they have.
Robyr:
Obviously you are not at a decision point of purchasing (or returning a recently purchased) SGT 7 plus.
O.K., lets say you are right when you opine Samsung will release ICS for the 7+. The next question is when?. Two week , two months, six months? Every week new 7" tabs, with ICS installed, and with new and improved features, are coming on the market. Given these circumstances, how long is an appropriate time to wait for a current operating system upgrade for your newly purchased (and only recently released to the market) Tablet.
I love my 7+, but I also want the smoothness, and increased versitility that ICS brings. I have it on my Transformer 102 wifi, and my Xoom wifi(contrary to what an earlier poster stated) and I even have it on my poor little ole Nook Color (CM9), and I do not feel those of us owning Tab 7+ 's, not tied to a carrier should have to wait any longer without some official indication of timing schedule from Samsung.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that the ICS operating system has been available for a considerable amount of time, and, I suspect, most, if not all of the 7 plus's that have been sold in this country were purchased in anticipation of upgrade to ICS in the" not-to-distant future" from their purchase date I know that certainly was the case with me. Instead of providing that upgrade in a timely manner, it appears Samsung chose to undercut their own customers by bringing to market a low cost, downgraded Tab 7, using ICS as a sales feature, while leaving their 7 plus customers out in the cold.
I have two days left to decide whether I will keep my 7 plus. It is not an easy decision. However, whichever way I decide, in the future I will always be very cautious about purchasing samsung phones or tablets.
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Decided to buy it, will be here tomorrow and can't wait!
All the other manufacturers are just as bad, if not worse than Samsung when it comes to upgrades of IS, and it has been a 'feature' of the phone market for as long a there have been phones capable of being upgraded.
The way I look at it is that the tablet still works exactly the same way now as it did when I bought it, irrespective of ICS's prevalence on other tablets. Sure it's nice to get a new OS, and I won't complain if ICS is released in a timely matter, but if honeycomb sucked that badly then it would have been a poor purchase in the first place.
But as for the OP, go enjoy your new tablet, and remember to feel sorry for the chumps with aching arms from holding their heavy iPads up all day =)
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Thanks guy, arrived yesterday and what a fantastic device. Alot better than the Son Table S, although I paid £270 for mine and noticed there was no IR?
No IR
There must be some variation in the models. I bought mine in the US in Feb from Best Buy for about £250, and it came with IR, and a cool piece of IR software for controlling TVs, DVD players, etc.
However, it appears Samsung have not changed model numbers despite the hardware change.
Thanks for the response.
I'm on GT-P621 and was a little confused about root.
Can someone point me to the correct root solution thread please?
Not a noob, but a newby to this device!
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Can someone point me to the correct root solution thread please?
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Try here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1367249
Looking for a new tab for ~$200. 2 on my radar are the TF700 and the Galaxy tab 3. All the "official" reviews of the ASUS are great, but a lot of the real world reviews complain that it's sluggish, poor battery life, poor build quality. Don't know if the sluggishness is cured by a new ROM or not. I'm not sure which is faster--hard to compare specs between 2 chip architectures, although the samsung is newer. I don't need a dock. So which would you get?
TF700 is sluggish even with custom rom. I would not spend my money again on this. After every wifi connect it takes minutes the device responds hardly at all. Some times it takes minutes to wake from sleep. Any app using flash memory blocks the device for the time, e.g. play store updates.
This is even after the custom modders hard work in effort to make it better. I`m on cromix 5.4.
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TF700 is sluggish even with custom rom.
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True. Sometimes. Slow storage cannot be fixed by software workarounds.
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After every wifi connect it takes minutes the device responds hardly at all. Some times it takes minutes to wake from sleep.
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In my experience, connecting to wifi causes about 3 seconds of lag where the device is unusable. And I become impatient when it takes more than 3 seconds to wake up, because usually it takes 1-2 seconds. All that without any special tweaks and keeping fsync on.
I don't use a lot of apps that run on wake up (like Google Now) though.
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Any app using flash memory blocks the device for the time, e.g. play store updates.
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True, sometimes. That's why I turn off auto-update.
It seems people are able to get the device responsive. The root failure is the known flash issue. I have plenty of apps installed, including the google services. I should really try to find and disable the services that start syncing while waking up and getting internet connection.
But still, comparing to other devices I have, they are cheaper and don`t have the same issues. I was cheated by asus while buying a top of the line price device, and not getting a device worth the money.
On the other hand, you are buying a second hand device, and not paying that much. The best thing about the device is the custom roms and tweaks that sdbags, _that and co. are doing. They keep the device software fresh, and try to tackle the issues. Thanks for that!
Get the Asus TF701T or Nexus 10 if you are on a budget?
Don't buy the Tab series. It's rubbish. Sluggish, laggy and the hardware is something that makes an iPad look high-end.
The TF700 has serious I/O issues (which a few lads here have done a marvellous job of making bearable, provided you're willing to waive your warranty.)
Don't know if you've got some money to spare, but if you're intending to last a few years with a tab, save some more quid and look into the TabPro series.
I have to agree with everyone and avoid the TF700. I have a first gen Samsung Tab 10.1 and even though it's plastic and feels cheap in your hand it runs circles around the TF700.
I upgraded last year to a Note 10.1 (2014) P600. It's been very good imo. The plastic housing turns some people off though.
If you want a cheap quick tablet the Tab 3 might not be a bad choice.
ikkeT said:
TF700 is sluggish even with custom rom. I would not spend my money again on this. After every wifi connect it takes minutes the device responds hardly at all. Some times it takes minutes to wake from sleep. Any app using flash memory blocks the device for the time, e.g. play store updates.
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I bought mine refurbished from a Woot! deal earlier this month. The TF700 is slow as molasses. It probably runs as smoothly as the original Samsung Nexus Galaxy smartphone. Every minute of regular use, it'll hang for a few seconds on some random action.
yohojones said:
I have to agree with everyone and avoid the TF700. I have a first gen Samsung Tab 10.1 and even though it's plastic and feels cheap in your hand it runs circles around the TF700.
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In hindsight, I probably should've bought that instead.
I must take some of my words back. Now I updated to chromix-kk. While at it, I didn't install all the apps I had previously, and disabled some bells and whistles that check things from net while wlan connects. This is way better to use now.
Never the less, still mad at Asus...
ikkeT said:
I must take some of my words back. Now I updated to chromix-kk. While at it, I didn't install all the apps I had previously, and disabled some bells and whistles that check things from net while wlan connects. This is way better to use now.
Never the less, still mad at Asus...
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Thanks for the input. Bought a tf700 from new egg, but they ended up dicking me around and never shipped it. Found a galaxy note 10.1, and am happy enough with it that I haven't bothered rooting/installing a new rom...
I'd buy a Nexus 10 if they ever get them back in stock...
Very happy now
I bought a TF700 in December 2012 after reading many positive reviews which were obviously written by people who never spent much time actually using one. I suffered though a year of using it with the stock ASUS ROM.
December 2013...out of warrenty...time to be daring...nothing to lose...before buying a Nexus 7, I decided to unlock & install CROMi-X...like night & day...I actually enjoyed using my TF700... don't need a Nexus 7 anymore.
Spring 2014...tried CROMBi-KK on ROM2SD...liked KitKat...CROMBi-KK got better with every new release...very stable now.
September 2014...tried f2fs format for data partition...even better!!!
Like I said...VERY happy NOW...sbdags and crew are miracle workers...their efforts made it possible to transform a device that I was ready to trash into a device that I use throughout the day and is a pleasure to use.
If you're stuck with a TF700 on stock ASUS, give CROMBi-KK or ZOMBi-X a try...they're still under development, so I think the best is yet to come
bplzip said:
I bought a TF700 in December 2012 after reading many positive reviews which were obviously written by people who never spent much time actually using one. I suffered though a year of using it with the stock ASUS ROM.
December 2013...out of warrenty...time to be daring...nothing to lose...before buying a Nexus 7, I decided to unlock & install CROMi-X...like night & day...I actually enjoyed using my TF700... don't need a Nexus 7 anymore.
Spring 2014...tried CROMBi-KK on ROM2SD...liked KitKat...CROMBi-KK got better with every new release...very stable now.
September 2014...tried f2fs format for data partition...even better!!!
Like I said...VERY happy NOW...sbdags and crew are miracle workers...their efforts made it possible to transform a device that I was ready to trash into a device that I use throughout the day and is a pleasure to use.
If you're stuck with a TF700 on stock ASUS, give CROMBi-KK or ZOMBi-X a try...they're still under development, so I think the best is yet to come
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WOW..
So much love for crombi zombi cromi :good: check this out team ...
@sbdags @hardslog @_that
So much love for our many hours spent....
Thx Josh
lj50036 said:
So much love for our many hours spent....
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"Making the TF700 suck less since 2012".
( however, currently working on making TWRP suck less )
I really am not happy with mine. I was happy with Cromi-x but started to get laggy out of the blue. Currently trying Zombi and Cromi, see which one is better for this piece of junk.
Thanks for the hard work!:good:
Very Unhappy
Happy?? NOT AT ALL, this was a waste of money, what a piece of crap. Design is good, is aluminum, nothing really fancy, I don't care if a product is made out of plastic if runs smoothly. Is VERY sluggish overall, but... playing games is perfect, the Tegra4 shines in that area. So.. if you want to waste your money in junk, go for it and buy a TF700.
Abisoxth said:
Happy?? NOT AT ALL, this was a waste of money, what a piece of crap. Design is good, is aluminum, nothing really fancy, I don't care if a product is made out of plastic if runs smoothly. Is VERY sluggish overall, but... playing games is perfect, the Tegra4 shines in that area. So.. if you want to waste your money in junk, go for it and buy a TF700.
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Ahhh, don't wanna rain on your parade, but the TF700 has the Tegra 3...
Try a custom rom - makes a hell of a difference!
Happy? Overall, yes.
I bought my 2012 TF700, with keyboard dock, for 230 bucks off ebay just about two months ago. I like my hardware older, cuz it means I can afford it. Could have gotten one even cheaper, but this guy had really cared for his -- had the original packing materials, manuals, and the whole nine yards. Since I had a tF101 with Timduru's superb ROM (KatKiss), I'd been to the ROM flashing rodeo before. And immediately I went for Crombi-KK, Zombi-X, Crombi-KK again and so on. Two big snags up to that point... Chrome browser just dogged it sometimes, suddenly and without wraning. And the whole thing seemed -- sigh -- laggy some times.
Enter in the ROM2SD / DATA2SD options via sdbags _that and the crazy ROM roasting crew. The tablet went from slow to medium to very fast. I monkeyed with varioius settings in the cpu profiles as well. I went for f2fs format on the data partition. In short, I made it a hobby to get this baby working smoothly and well. And ya know what? I'm about 90 percent or better there. Chrome, I must say, does NOT impress me as a browser. The best one? That little funky android browser that doesn't get much love yet is packed in with the operating system. I also suspect the gmail app of being a major player in slowing my system down sometimes. But overall, as a user who really wants to use this baby as a productive laptop and not as much a gaming tablet, I am finding it quite nice indeed. If I'd had more money, I'd have gone for the TF701. But for 230 bucks plus 30 more for a 64 gig micro-sd card of quality to use via data2rom, this baby is nearly a third to even one half faster than it was before.
Hacker mentality? You can have a lot of fun with this tab. But if you want things to work right out of the box, better go for a TF701 or (gag!) even a Winduhs tablet. But don''t get me started on my loathing of win 8.1....
Blessings. Happy (almost) all the time w/ my Asus Transformer TF700. Now, if only I could turn that annoying mouse pad off!
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Short answer is yes.
But it depends on why I chose to get a tablet in the first place. I really have no need for a tablet. My phone was giving me everything I needed for anything mobile and my laptop was perfect for daily computing. I recently needed to read massive amounts of PDF books and although my laptop was available, I realized a tablet would help me out a lot. So I knew I needed a screen with good resolution. I was about to buy a generic tablet that for the bill for 100 but soon realized that there wasn't much development for these generic tablets. I found the tf700 had an awesome screen resolution and big development support. I got it for 150 refurbished and I can't find a better deal considering the tablet's screen resolution.
TBH I think that there are better buys out there if you want a tablet that will be quick, will have future support, will be used with all the bells and whistles of android. But for my needs I can't find a tablet that's running a very stable kk ROM with this resolution for 150. I'll probably sell it next year for 100 bucks? Not bad depreciatio
bplzip said:
Like I said...VERY happy NOW...sbdags and crew are miracle workers...their efforts made it possible to transform a device that I was ready to trash into a device that I use throughout the day and is a pleasure to use.
If you're stuck with a TF700 on stock ASUS, give CROMBi-KK or ZOMBi-X a try...they're still under development, so I think the best is yet to come
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My experience is much the same as yours. I found myself rarely using my tf700 because of its sluggishness, and when one evening I needed it for a simple skype call and it wouldn't perform, I decided it was either the bin or try to do my first ever unlock, install twrp and crombi-kk. I went for the latter. Everything went smoothly, and I now have a tablet that actually works, and even works quite smoothly. Thanks to sbdags &Co.