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Even with safestrap a locked phone is still locked....and development has suffered. On Wednesday the Nexus 6 comes out and it will have an unlocked bootloader....just have to pay full price most likely. I know I could have done this with the Samsung Dev edition but I won't give Samsung more money for a dev phone when I have already bought one, what bull ****. I know it isn't Samsung's fault but I don't give a ****, It's your phone, they didn't lock it you did! They told you to and you did. You could have said no. Do you think for a minute Verizon wouldn't of caved in and said ok leave it unlocked? What do you think a Verizon store would look like without a Galaxy Tab, Note, or S5? What do you think a Ford dealership would look like without the F150?
The GS5 has been an eye opener for me and it's sad to say that as of the day my Nexus arrives I'll be done with all of Samsung's phones. What a shame Samsung. I know I'm just *****ing but it's sad that a phone as bad ass as the GS5 is and I can't even flash a kernel on it....Not even real CM.
So you bought a non-dev device, and are upset because it's locked? And Motorola has been bootloader locking their phones for a long time too, guess they shouldn't have either. Unless you buy a specifically unlocked version, I suspect it'll be the same story on the Nexus as the S5, Carrier locked.
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So you bought a non-dev device, and are upset because it's locked? And Motorola has been bootloader locking their phones for a long time too, guess they shouldn't have either. Unless you buy a specifically unlocked version, I suspect it'll be the same story on the Nexus as the S5, Carrier locked.
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Perfect first response:good:.
Motorola started locking bootloaders, years ago and anyone that had an X2 (like myself) will look twice at buying a Motorola product. I'm happy with my S5, great battery and great performance.
Elite49 said:
Perfect first response:good:.
Motorola started locking bootloaders, years ago and anyone that had an X2 (like myself) will look twice at buying a Motorola product. I'm happy with my S5, great battery and great performance.
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I'm not buying it from a carrier it's supposed to be unlocked. I'm buying it directly from the play store tomorrow. I don't think Google will lock their phone. Verizon won't have a ****ing chance to lock it as they won't have no ****ing part in the sale.
They made it to where ONE phone will work on all major networks in America out of the box. I'm glad so I don't need Verizon to OK it or anything. Plug in my sim and go hard.
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I'm not buying it from a carrier it's supposed to be unlocked. I'm buying it directly from the play store tomorrow. I don't think Google will lock their phone. Verizon won't have a ****ing chance to lock it as they won't have no ****ing part in the sale.
They made it to where ONE phone will work on all major networks in America out of the box. I'm glad so I don't need Verizon to OK it or anything. Plug in my sim and go hard.
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But will that work? everything i've read about it points to no. If you want it to work on verizon you will need the verizon branded n6?
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But will that work? everything i've read about it points to no. If you want it to work on verizon you will need the verizon branded n6?
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lol. that's incorrect. The phone has all of Verizon's bands build in. Verizon don't own the bands it's an open standard. do your homework better. I can take a sprint phone and put it on Verizon it doesn't matter at all. Just so happenes Google made this phone to include all bands and networks in the USA. So what exactly have to read that points to no? How about reading the actual phone description on google play.
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lol. that's incorrect. The phone has all of Verizon's bands build in. Verizon don't own the bands it's an open standard. do your homework better. I can take a sprint phone and put it on Verizon it doesn't matter at all. Just so happenes Google made this phone to include all bands and networks in the USA. So what exactly have to read that points to no? How about reading the actual phone description on google play.
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No need to be a douche.. I'm just asking because I've seen this being discussed across forums. I understand it has all the correct bands. It's just something I'd like to concretely know before I pre order one from Google play. Not to mention none of this has even been confirmed. Sorry to bother you all mighty phone wizard
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No need to be a douche.. I'm just asking because I've seen this being discussed across forums. I understand it has all the correct bands. It's just something I'd like to concretely know before I pre order one from Google play. Not to mention none of this has even been confirmed. Sorry to bother you all mighty phone wizard
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Very sorry for how i came across. I will let you know if the bootloader is unlocked. As for it working on Verizon it absolutely will work out of the box with the correct sim
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Very sorry for how i came across. I will let you know if the bootloader is unlocked. As for it working on Verizon it absolutely will work out of the box with the correct sim
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I'm just concerned about them activating it, with Verizon being CDMA and only using SIM's for LTE im afraid they wont activate it without being Verizon branded like they do with any phone. If they were GSM this wouldn't be an issue what-so-ever. Boot loader should be unlocked as in usual nexus fashion.
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I'm just concerned about them activating it, with Verizon being CDMA and only using SIM's for LTE im afraid they wont activate it without being Verizon branded like they do with any phone. If they were GSM this wouldn't be an issue what-so-ever. Boot loader should be unlocked as in usual nexus fashion.
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They do not have to activate it. Before the days of sim cards in cdma phones they did have activate it. Now the sim does.
Goodbye charging port flap. Goodbye touchwiz. Goodbye late updates. Hello Nexus 6.... If only I could freaking order a 64!!!!!
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Goodbye charging port flap. Goodbye touchwiz. Goodbye late updates. Hello Nexus 6.... If only I could freaking order a 64!!!!!
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Hello NOT being waterproof (water resistant), Hello anyone can install a themer, Hello every other phone gets updates later than the Nexus.
I'm not saying your points aren't valid, they're just not going to make me switch!
I can't wait to get my nexus 6. Of course the bootloader will be unlocked. It is a nexus device. It is meant for developers. If you want custom roms, a nexus device is the best way to go. I loved my galaxy nexus and then switched to the s3 and now the s5. They are great phones but I want the flexibility of the nexus 6. Also have you seen the specs for this nexus? Top notch stuff finally in a nexus phone. In all it comes down to preference but I'm selling my s5 and getting the nexus 6.
So... why not just take this conversation to the correct forum? Why must we always start cluttering up threads with posts that have nothing to do with the device specific forum?
shoresteve626 said:
So... why not just take this conversation to the correct forum? Why must we always start cluttering up threads with posts that have nothing to do with the device specific forum?
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why did you come in here and clutter our thread up? This thread is about going from the GS5 to the Nexus 6, not about what forum you think this should be in. please shoresteve626 stay on topic.
I guess you can say that I'm also tired of having to scroll through all of the BS "I hate my phone" posts.... there are generic forums that aren't device specific. Not to mention that duplicate threads used to be frowned upon. (Already a device comparison thread under general. That's all. I'll take your advice though....
This entire thread is off-topic for where it is - there is a specific home for ALL things not Verizon Galaxy S5 related and that is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2690799
Thread closed.
Thanks for all the help on here guys. I loved my S4 but it was time to upgrade. Even though I have been stuck on Samsung phones for years, I decided to switch to the Nexus 6. With carriers locking everything down I figured I might as well. I'm extremely happy with this device so far.
And thanks Muniz_ri, you made my time with the S4 bearable.
dankhar said:
Thanks for all the help on here guys. I loved my S4 but it was time to upgrade. Even though I have been stuck on Samsung phones for years, I decided to switch to the Nexus 6. With carriers locking everything down I figured I might as well. I'm extremely happy with this device so far.
And thanks Muniz_ri, you made my time with the S4 bearable.
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AT&T is the one that locks bootloaders on Samsung!!!! NOT Samsung...
Reread what I said. "With CARRIERS locking everything down." Never said Samsung was doing it. I was just saying I've always used a Samsung phone, but since they are all being locked on my current carrier I switched to the Nexus.
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AT&T is the one that locks bootloaders on Samsung!!!! NOT Samsung...
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AT&T had to get Samsung's approval to modify the bootloaders to lock them, so Samsung was complicit in it, they could have easily said no.
They make the most popular phone on earth, I doubt AT&T or Verizon would have stopped carrying them and have their customers buy them elsewhere if they were threatening to drop the phone from their plans.
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AT&T had to get Samsung's approval to modify the bootloaders to lock them, so Samsung was complicit in it, they could have easily said no.
They make the most popular phone on earth, I doubt AT&T or Verizon would have stopped carrying them and have their customers buy them elsewhere if they were threatening to drop the phone from their plans.
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Does AT&T lock them on all their phones??? Think I have read that T-Mobile did not lock their Samsung phones, not sure on others at T-Mobile.
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Does AT&T lock them on all their phones??? Think I have read that T-Mobile did not lock their Samsung phones, not sure on others at T-Mobile.
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I believe so, yes. AT&T has been on the record as stating that they refuse to support any phone with a non-locked bootloader (though, I have no idea where they stand on the new Nexus 6, which I don't believe has one and they do carry).
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AT&T is the one that locks bootloaders on Samsung!!!! NOT Samsung...
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That doesn't stop HTC from providing unlockable bootloaders on the M7/M8. They allow you to unlock your bootloader in exchange for your warranty, even on AT&T,but Samsung doesn't. I think LG will start unlocking bootloaders soon as well.
If I could afford it or should I say the wife wouldn't pitch a fit I think the Nexus 6 would be my choice as well. I have been on T-Mobile for over 10 years but got the AT&T S4 for free or I wouldn't be in this locked mess.
Yeah. So far I have been using the Nexus since I made this post. Unlocking and rooting were easy and I love 5.0.1. It was a big change from Samsung's S4 having no real buttons and such. But so far I have no complaints. Not gonna lie it did take a few days yo adjust to it. Still glad I made this switch though. I may use a Samsung device again someday, but if I do I would have to go the Developer route.
You know you could just get a T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S4 or S5 since it has no locked bootloader and then SIM unlock it to work on AT&T.
I got lucky with my Galaxy S4, as it came with the MDL firmware. As soon as I realized it, I froze all the OTA crap so I can take advantage of the LOKI exploit and install Clockwork mod recovery.
Yep without the loki exploit, I dont think gs4 is worth it... I dont safestrap.
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StoneyJSG said:
You know you could just get a T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S4 or S5 since it has no locked bootloader and then SIM unlock it to work on AT&T.
I got lucky with my Galaxy S4, as it came with the MDL firmware. As soon as I realized it, I froze all the OTA crap so I can take advantage of the LOKI exploit and install Clockwork mod recovery.
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Heard they use different LTE freq. Cannot say for sure.
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Heard they use different LTE freq. Cannot say for sure.
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They use the exact same LTE bands.
TMobile:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-M919ZWATMB-specs
AT&T:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-I337ZWAATT-specs
Hi,
Just curious if the AT&T Lg v10 would work on cricket? I have been buying factory unlocked phones for the past year and half so am a bit out of loop. I know older att phone models worked on cricket but I did see a few cases of it not working in the newer threads online. Just want to check before getting it.
Thanks
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Hi,
Just curious if the AT&T Lg v10 would work on cricket? I have been buying factory unlocked phones for the past year and half so am a bit out of loop. I know older att phone models worked on cricket but I did see a few cases of it not working in the newer threads online. Just want to check before getting it.
Thanks
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You can buy a locked AT&T V10 and use it on Cricket (owned by AT&T). It does not need to be unlocked. Same applies for any AT&T MNVO too. In theory, but it seems youve found people posting that for them their phones haven't worked...
clockcycle said:
You can buy a locked AT&T V10 and use it on Cricket (owned by AT&T). It does not need to be unlocked. Same applies for any AT&T MNVO too. In theory, but it seems youve found people posting that for them their phones haven't worked...
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Thanks man. I know in theory it should work just a bit hesitant since ATT has been having a lot of new restrictions with new android phones like bootloader lock.
chopchopw said:
Thanks man. I know in theory it should work just a bit hesitant since ATT has been having a lot of new restrictions with new android phones like bootloader lock.
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All carriers used to be boot loader locked. That's not new. And as far as AT&T and T-Mobile they welcome each others phones, they like stealing each others customers.
Verizon phone cricket service
Wanted to share I bought a Verizon v10 off eBay (they come unlocked out of the box) took it to cricket, tweaked a few settings and it's worked perfectly for three weeks now.
Im using my v10 on Cricket right now and it works well! Just wont get any updates unless you use an att active sim card.
My v10 is from AT&T and I currently use it on cricket.
My GF's v10 is from Verizon, and she also uses it on cricket. She just had to set the apn.
I use my locked ATT V10 on crickets network. The only real issue is so far it can't update to MM since I'm not a ATT customer.
Bought an lgv10 Unlocked Verizon currently on cricket but won't get any service every time I try to turn my data on it says to contact customer service I don't know what to do please help
Rey-a12 said:
Bought an lgv10 Unlocked Verizon currently on cricket but won't get any service every time I try to turn my data on it says to contact customer service I don't know what to do please help
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do you have the APN settings correct? if not, enter the correct APN, enable it, then restart your phone. it should work.
you can just slip in the sim card and hope it works. find your APN settings...
https://apn.gishan.net/settings/1255_22_cricket_apn_settings_for_lg_v10.php
not sure if I'm allowed to paste the link to another site if its not from xda forums... if so... my bad
LG V10 on Cricket
chopchopw said:
Hi,
Just curious if the AT&T Lg v10 would work on cricket? I have been buying factory unlocked phones for the past year and half so am a bit out of loop. I know older att phone models worked on cricket but I did see a few cases of it not working in the newer threads online. Just want to check before getting it.
Thanks
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Good day. I am currently running 3 LG V10's on Cricket. So far, so good. Make sure you check your IMEI number with them FIRST !
Anyone have experience with the V10 on mintsim or textnow
The backstory.... Preordered an ATT Note 7 and had many headaches with delivery / billing. I am now living with my old Note3 using Goggle Voice/Hangouts because of my weak signal (all carriers) at home. I'm using a pre-paid Straight Talk plan when away from home.
I've been waiting patiently for the S8+ and now need to decide between AT&T and T-Mobile for a GSM phone. I plan on paying full cash price and having it unlocked to use a 3rd part prepaid plan (Straight Talk or ?).
I considered a factory unlocked phone (Best Buy, May 9th??) but I am told that those will also have a locked bootloader. Up until the Note 7 I always ran rooted with custom ROMS. I became a big fan of Samsung Pay which I think also means a locked bootloader with no root is needed. Of coarse, bloatware sucks. I had good luck with Package Disabler Pro on my Note 7. I will be using my Google number, if only for forwarding to another number. WiFi calling is a must one way or another.
My Note 7 from ATT let me run Mobile Hotspot at the same time WiFi was enabled. This made it easy for giving my Android head unit in my car Internet access. The T-mobile version at the time needed to be turned on and off.
I'm leaning toward T-mobile only because of my bad blood with ATT. ATT coverage is marginally better in my area.
Thoughts, comments.
Either and flash the OS on it with ODIN. It is the same hardware so it doesnt matter.
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Either and flash the OS on it with ODIN. It is the same hardware so it doesnt matter.
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Yes and also if the T-Mobile version is going to have an unlocked bootloader, flashing T-Mobile firmware should allow you to unlock it through the OS.
But it's highly unlikely it will have an unlocked bootloader, although T-Mobile have supported it, I don't think it's happening.
No unlocked bootloaders on u.s.a. Carriers....
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No unlocked bootloaders on u.s.a. Carriers....
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I get that if you buy a carrier phone and then unlock it. But what about the factory unlocked phones sold in the US?
I've heard that the bootloader on those phones is also locked, but not from a real good source of info. I've also heard international versions do not have a locked bootloader and do not support Samsung Pay. They also do not support CDMA (which doesn't bother me at all).
Interceptor777 said:
Yes and also if the T-Mobile version is going to have an unlocked bootloader, flashing T-Mobile firmware should allow you to unlock it through the OS.
But it's highly unlikely it will have an unlocked bootloader, although T-Mobile have supported it, I don't think it's happening.
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If I flash via ODIN does that kill Samsung Pay? What about Knox?
Phredeee said:
The backstory.... Preordered an ATT Note 7 and had many headaches with delivery / billing. I am now living with my old Note3 using Goggle Voice/Hangouts because of my weak signal (all carriers) at home. I'm using a pre-paid Straight Talk plan when away from home.
I've been waiting patiently for the S8+ and now need to decide between AT&T and T-Mobile for a GSM phone. I plan on paying full cash price and having it unlocked to use a 3rd part prepaid plan (Straight Talk or ?).
I considered a factory unlocked phone (Best Buy, May 9th??) but I am told that those will also have a locked bootloader. Up until the Note 7 I always ran rooted with custom ROMS. I became a big fan of Samsung Pay which I think also means a locked bootloader with no root is needed. Of coarse, bloatware sucks. I had good luck with Package Disabler Pro on my Note 7. I will be using my Google number, if only for forwarding to another number. WiFi calling is a must one way or another.
My Note 7 from ATT let me run Mobile Hotspot at the same time WiFi was enabled. This made it easy for giving my Android head unit in my car Internet access. The T-mobile version at the time needed to be turned on and off.
I'm leaning toward T-mobile only because of my bad blood with ATT. ATT coverage is marginally better in my area.
Thoughts, comments.
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I'm in a similar situation and my first concern is what bands both phones support. Online it seems AT&T covers both GSM providers perfectly. The info on T-Mobile and its bands is extremely lacking. My second concern is the process of unlocking either fully paid off phone for use on the other. I think I can have TMobile unlock it for me but I'm not sure how it works with AT&T. The easiest solution is the unlocked version but thats not even got a release date set in writing anywhere.
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If I flash via ODIN does that kill Samsung Pay? What about Knox?
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As long you are flashing official firmware from Samsung nothing will break. Knox will not be tripped and Samsung Pay will work.
954wrecker said:
I'm in a similar situation and my first concern is what bands both phones support. Online it seems AT&T covers both GSM providers perfectly. The info on T-Mobile and its bands is extremely lacking. My second concern is the process of unlocking either fully paid off phone for use on the other. I think I can have TMobile unlock it for me but I'm not sure how it works with AT&T. The easiest solution is the unlocked version but thats not even got a release date set in writing anywhere.
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It is my understanding that all US (Snapdragon) phones cover all bands, including CDMA. That means you could even take an unlocked AT&T phone to Verizon. I'm not used to that! It even has LTE-U which TMo is supposed to be soon supporting.
I am an ex AT&T customer. They unlocked my Note 7, and again with the replacement, without issue. I seem to remember there was a wait period at first. 7 or 14 days?
The thing I'm considering is also the VR incentives for pre-ordering. I can tell you AT&T messed up my Note 7 pre-order. They shipped it on the release day by a slow method. I ended up going to a store and buying one outright and returning the unopened one once it arrived. That caused a billing nightmare that I had to call them every months until I finally turned it in and closed my account.
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It is my understanding that all US (Snapdragon) phones cover all bands, including CDMA. That means you could even take an unlocked AT&T phone to Verizon. I'm not used to that! It even has LTE-U which TMo is supposed to be soon supporting.
I am an ex AT&T customer. They unlocked my Note 7, and again with the replacement, without issue. I seem to remember there was a wait period at first. 7 or 14 days?
The thing I'm considering is also the VR incentives for pre-ordering. I can tell you AT&T messed up my Note 7 pre-order. They shipped it on the release day by a slow method. I ended up going to a store and buying one outright and returning the unopened one once it arrived. That caused a billing nightmare that I had to call them every months until I finally turned it in and closed my account.
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Can you recall where you read the carrier versions support all the bands just like the unlocked versions? All the info I found from the carriers shows different bands on each model.
Phredeee said:
I get that if you buy a carrier phone and then unlock it. But what about the factory unlocked phones sold in the US?
I've heard that the bootloader on those phones is also locked, but not from a real good source of info. I've also heard international versions do not have a locked bootloader and do not support Samsung Pay. They also do not support CDMA (which doesn't bother me at all).
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You're missing what I'm saying... There will be no unlocked bootloaders on any Samsung S8 phones for the USA. You cannot get one from carrier or factory.
I think you may be mixing up Bootloader unlock and Sim unlock....
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Can you recall where you read the carrier versions support all the bands just like the unlocked versions? All the info I found from the carriers shows different bands on each model.
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I do remember that it was a story about FCC approval of the factory unlocked (SIM) phone. Keep that in mind that it may be the unbranded, factory unlocked phone only, but the article did say they were all the same. The locked carrier phones may not be so flexible.
Other things I've found.. Best Buy SIM unlocked does not get the incentives. Best Buy, and their cheaper price, does not seem to offer a T-Mo phone.
The VR incentive is attractive to me, but is not a must have. At this moment, until I can find out for sure if Samsung Pay will work on an international version, I am leaning towards a T-Mo pre-order. But that is me and my preferences YMMV. I have a major dislike for AT&T.
Looking for where I read it. In the mean time this may be interesting to you.
Model numbers http://techbeasts.com/list-of-samsung-galaxy-s8-galaxy-s8plus-model-numbers/
Frequencies https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/OyqBp/samsung-sm-g955a-galaxy-s8-td-lte-samsung-dream
The link is for the AT&T model search for other models.
954wrecker said:
Can you recall where you read the carrier versions support all the bands just like the unlocked versions? All the info I found from the carriers shows different bands on each model.
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It appears that going by this information the factory unlocked and the AT&T are NOT the same https://www.frequencycheck.com/compare-devices/6MQWs05y/samsung-sm-g950a-galaxy-s8-td-lte-samsung-dream/samsung-sm-g950f-galaxy-s8-td-lte-samsung-dream
You're correct that it seems T-mo info is evasive.
Hello,
I would like to know, if it posible to buy the Galaxy S8 from the samsung web page (att version), then unlock it and after that flash the unlocked rom flashing it with odin.
Can someone help me?
thanks.
Just ordered the 955F from Clove...
I'm hoping that missing bands won't hurt my AT&T usage much. Or any prepaid sims I may throw in there.
Will see if the 955U info comes out before my phone, and will decide if I want to cancel.
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I'm looking for a new Sprint phone. I'm not going to do the leasing program. I want to purchase a phone out right. However 99% of unlocked phones will only work on GSM networks. The only phone that I know of that will work on cdma network that I can buy that would work on Sprint as well is the Moto G5 plus. Which I've heard is a pretty good phone. My question is does anyone know of any other phone that I can buy that's fully unlocked that would work on the Sprint network? I'm currently using the Samsung galaxy S6 which is over 2 years old and the battery is horrible, and the touch screen is going as well. Thanks for all the help.
Silentassassin1991 said:
I'm looking for a new Sprint phone. I'm not going to do the leasing program. I want to purchase a phone out right. However 99% of unlocked phones will only work on GSM networks. The only phone that I know of that will work on cdma network that I can buy that would work on Sprint as well is the Moto G5 plus. Which I've heard is a pretty good phone. My question is does anyone know of any other phone that I can buy that's fully unlocked that would work on the Sprint network? I'm currently using the Samsung galaxy S6 which is over 2 years old and the battery is horrible, and the touch screen is going as well. Thanks for all the help.
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You've already asked this in the correct place here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72608968&postcount=18482
so I'm going to close this one up.
Thanks for understanding
Sawdoctor