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http://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Compact-VoltageBoost-Technology/dp/B014ZO46LK
USB-C port charging at 5V/2.4A not 3A
Edit: I received this email from Anker today: "Thank you for getting back to us.
We would like to help you confirm the information. The output current of the external battery is 6A, Here are the specific output current information.
One USB C output port: 3A Two Power iq output port: 3A for two ports.
Meanwhile, please be noted that one USB-C port in the external battery is both output port and input port. When you use the port to recharge itself, the input current is 2.4A. When you use the port to charge other device, it's output 3A.
Please let us know if you need any other help. Thank you!"
So it's looks like the USB-C port output is 3A
fail ...........
Is that the current rating for a macbook? Doesn't really specify the exact outputs...
The photo on Amazon seems to shows a MacBook being connected to a Type-A port on the Anker. The actual cable goes off the screen, but that's what is implied.
The description on Amazon says that the Anker comes with a Type-A to Type-C cable and a Type-A to micro-B cable. It does not come with a TYpe-C to Type-C cable or a charger.
Based on this, it seems like the type-C port is only for charging the Anker itself. The OUTPUTS on the Anker are the two Type-A ports. Hopefully my assumptions are wrong. Hopefully the Type-C port on this guy is capable of power transfer in both directions.
Got my RAVPower a couple weeks ago and has USB-C 5V at 3A and QC2.0 output for 36$. Don't have my 6P yet to try but RAVPower is solid. I'll check it out then.
Just an FYI, I called Anker support yesterday and they confirmed the USB C output is 5V/2.4A. Could still be an error but not encouraging.
Would really like some clear answers from Anker, pity their website still says coming soon for this product. really limiting.
I'd jump the gun and get it and report back, but given I'm down under, shopping cost and time would make my efforts kind of redundant....anyone keen to do it in the continental US? I'd even kick in $10 towards the confirmation cause.
yeah, honestly glad I snagged the RAVpower. More options on how to charge other devices AND more options on how to charge the battery itself
RAVPower can offer 5V/3A. That one will be more great.
Update says output from Anker's is indeed 3A like we need, what are you guys missing?
Also, ravpower says 2.4 output so why is that one better? Am I looking at the wrong model?
MYxdaUSERNAME said:
Update says output from Anker's is indeed 3A like we need, what are you guys missing?
Also, ravpower says 2.4 output so why is that one better? Am I looking at the wrong model?
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That 2.4 on the ravpower is the Qualcomm quick charge port not the USB-C port. I've got the ravpower in hand and its printed on it that it's 3A in and out from the USB-C. And it's been verified as compliant by the Google engineer
crazyg0od33 said:
That 2.4 on the ravpower is the Qualcomm quick charge port not the USB-C port. I've got the ravpower in hand and its printed on it that it's 3A in and out from the USB-C. And it's been verified as compliant by the Google engineer
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I got a question here, since type c port supports input and output, when i connects 2 type c port on power banks, which one will be charged, and which one will be discharged?
feihu989 said:
I got a question here, since type c port supports input and output, when i connects 2 type c port on power banks, which one will be charged, and which one will be discharged?
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well this one charges the phone and only charges itself via USB-C if plugged into the wall or another charging device. I'm not sure how it knows, but it charges my phone with no issues and no extra steps
Ravpower 20100mah Type-C & QC 2.0 Battery Pack
Overview: The Ravpower battery pack is supposedly the first USB Type-C battery pack out there. It charges the 6P using the USB Type-C standard of 5V/3A which is great because it’s the first true Type-C charger and battery out there not made by Google from what I have seen. I will compare the battery to the other ones I own which are just the regular QC2.0 standard and made by Aukey.
Ports/Charging:
The Ravpower features 4 total ports, now before you get carried away with the infinite possibilities of this I will first talk about what they offer.
Ports Comparison
Input Charging Ports:
There are 2 ports that can be used to charge the battery. The first is the conventional Micro-USB port. This port will allow you to have the battery with up to 24W, and is a good backup if you don’t want to charge it via USB Type-C. The next way the battery can be charged is via USB Type-C at 5V/3A (15W) which is slower than using a QC2.0 24W+ charger. I know there aren’t many 24W capable QC2.0 chargers but I have a 30W one made by Power Partners and it charges the battery a lot faster than my Type-C cable does.
Here is breakdown of the voltages/rates the battery can be charged at:
Output Charging Ports:
Type-C
The battery can charge up to 3 devices at once with its 3 output charging ports. The first and most relevant of these would be the USB Type-C port. It will charge the Nexus 6P/5X rapidly just as the wall charger would. I’ve had the battery for about 3 days now and it has been great! The USB Type-C port is reversible in terms of charging for this battery pack. The port can take 5V/3A and output the same 5V/3A to a phone so it cuts down on how many ports the battery needs.
USB Type-A QC2.0
This port features Qualcomm’s quick charge 2.0 standard and will quick charge any compatible devices at one of 3 voltages. The port can also charge the Nexus 6P/5X using a in spec Type-A to Type-C cable as you might expect. I have the iOrange cable and it will give me 1.5A as it should by the USB standard. I like the availability of a Type-A port because I can charge other devices from it while on the go.
USB Type-A iSmart Port
This is your standard 5V 2.4A USB Type-A port. There is nothing special about it in my opinion and they could have left this one out since the QC2.0 port also supports 5V/2.4A. It’s still there if you wanted to use it so I will leave it at that.
Here is a table of the output voltage and rates:
Battery I/O Rating Pictures
Design/Build Quality:
The design of the battery is nothing special, it’s a simple rectangle just like it should be. There is no reason to over design the appearance of an external battery as long as it gets the job done. I don’t mean this in a bad way at all because I like the simple design of it. There are 4 blue LED dots that indicate the battery level and they aren’t overly bright if you use it at night. There is a small button under the LED lights to turn the battery pack on or see its current battery level.
Let me get this out of the way: the battery is HUGE and might as well be a brick making up some old building in Philadelphia. With that being said the battery is solid but not too heavy overall. The battery is made with a plastic construction, but Ravpower does offer a 12 month warranty on it. I didn’t look to see what it covered, but I assume it should cover the standard defects but likely not physical damage. According to Ravpower these are the dimensions of the battery pack:
Here is a comparison between the 3 battery packs I currently have. (Aukey 10000mah Silver, Aukey 12000mah Black, Ravpower 20100mah Black)
Status Lights for each battery pack
What’s in the Box:
The battery comes with a mesh pouch to put it in while you are traveling about, but it has no extra pockets for anything else. There are also 2 micro USB cables included with the battery that can be used to charge the battery or a compatible phone. The flat style cables are nice and should be tangle free. I used one to charge my Bose QC20 (2015) headphones and didn’t have any issues. I would test them on another device, but I no longer have micro USB phones/tablets.
Dimensions
Overall 9.8/10
I’m enjoying the battery pack a lot and I think it’s worth the price right now. $47.99 isn’t bad for a 20100mah battery considering I have 2 Aukey ones (12500mah, 10400mah QC2.0 battery packs). The battery is big, but it has more than enough capacity to keep your phone/tablet alive for a few days at a minimum.
Here is a table comparing the Ravpower to the Google 22.5W Dual port Type C charger with different cables, I also tested my in spec Type A-C Cable using a 5V/4A charger
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So I would still need to get another C to C cable to charge my phone quickly, or use the included A to C at a lower speed?
fury683 said:
So I would still need to get another C to C cable to charge my phone quickly, or use the included A to C at a lower speed?
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You cna use the C-C cable that comes with your phone to rapid charge your phone. Any USB A-C cables are limited to 1.5A by design so it won't rapid charge with a Type A that is inspec. Out of spec ones might but its not worth the risk
Pilz said:
You cna use the C-C cable that comes with your phone to rapid charge your phone. Any USB A-C cables are limited to 1.5A by design so it won't rapid charge with a Type A that is inspec. Out of spec ones might but its not worth the risk
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Right, I just meant that if I wanted to keep this in my work bag or in my car, I would need another C to C cable, because the one that came with my phone would stay at home with the charger. Thanks for the review, I added it to my Amazon Wish List.
dammit pilz.....
ordered...
fury683 said:
Right, I just meant that if I wanted to keep this in my work bag or in my car, I would need another C to C cable, because the one that came with my phone would stay at home with the charger. Thanks for the review, I added it to my Amazon Wish List.
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Yes you need a C-C cable to rapid charge at the 5V/3A but you can charge slower with a Type-A to Type-C which will give you 5V/1.5A. The monoprice C-C USB 2.0 cable is inspec according to Benson so I would get that one. It's ~$13 I believe.
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dammit pilz.....
ordered...
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Let me know how it is. I try to write honest reviews since I do this for fun to help people out.
Pilz said:
Yes you need a C-C cable to rapid charge at the 5V/3A but you can charge slower with a Type-C to Type-C which will give you 5V/1.5A. The monoprice C-C USB 2.0 cable is inspec according to Benson so I would get that one. It's ~$13 I believe.
Let me know how it is. I try to write honest reviews since I do this for fun to help people out.
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That was a typo, right?
TheInVisibleGoD said:
That was a typo, right?
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No their 3ft USB 2.0 spec one was that much unless I'm thinking of another company.
Edit: the 6ft USB 2.0 spec C-C is $12.99
http://www.monoprice.com/mobile/pro...categoryid=10303&subcategoryid=1030319&cpncd=
I have this same charger. 70% off my town has been with out power for the past 3 days (including my house) and this thing saved me a few times already. I can fully charge my phone almost 6 times on 1 charge. It may be big but it charges fast and many times. I dig it
Just bought one today via Amazon with same day shipping! Question - can I charge my phone via USB A-C cable and simultaneously charge the battery with the C-C cable?
Cares said:
Just bought one today via Amazon with same day shipping! Question - can I charge my phone via USB A-C cable and simultaneously charge the battery with the C-C cable?
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I haven't tried but it might work. I know most batteries support I/O at the same time.
I will add the rest of the pictures tomorrow. Its been a very busy day so I haven't had a chance to take the other pictures
boynamedstacy said:
I have this same charger. 70% off my town has been with out power for the past 3 days (including my house) and this thing saved me a few times already. I can fully charge my phone almost 6 times on 1 charge. It may be big but it charges fast and many times. I dig it
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I've used it to charge my phone for the past 3 days just to test it. If has 2 dots left (~50% or less) which is good. The battery may but be metal or asthetically great but it gets the job done
OP updated with more pictures, tables, etc.
Pilz said:
No their 3ft USB 2.0 spec one was that much unless I'm thinking of another company.
Edit: the 6ft USB 2.0 spec C-C is $12.99
http://www.monoprice.com/mobile/pro...categoryid=10303&subcategoryid=1030319&cpncd=
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No, I'm saying about a C-C and a Type-C to Type-C cable, aren't they the same cable?
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No, I'm saying about a C-C and a Type-C to Type-C cable, aren't they the same cable?
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Yes you're absolutely correct that should have said A-C for the second part. I mistakenly thought you were referring to the monoprice cable cost I'll be sure to fix that thank you!
Edit: I corrected that typo from earlier thanks for clarifying that for me
Pilz said:
Yes you're absolutely correct that should have said A-C for the second part. I mistakenly thought you were referring to the monoprice cable cost I'll be sure to fix that thank you!
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No worries mate, I must say that I was confused as well...
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No worries mate, I must say that I was confused as well...
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I'm glad you let me know so I could fix it. Now I'll have to see how the battery holds up on my trip
Pilz good call... mine came about an hour ago... this is dope!
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Pilz good call... mine came about an hour ago... this is dope!
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I've been enjoying mine lately plus its capacity/size arent bad for what it is. I'll see how TSA likes it in my carry on because they are always stupid
Disclaimer: All of these items were sent to me by Tronsmart for a fair and honest review.
Backstory:
Tronsmart I a well-known accessory manufacturer known for their cables and chargers. This is my first experience with their products because I usually end up purchasing most of my cables/chargers when I first get a new phone (I used qi charging almost exclusively until this current phone). This year things changed as I’m sure everyone is aware; the USB Type-C standard was initially very confusing for both consumers and accessory manufacturers alike. At first it was hard to find any Type-C accessories let alone ones that were probably in spec. This presented an issue for consumers trying to buy a cable that wouldn’t potentially brown out their charger, cause a fire, or harm their brand new Nexus 5X/6P.
I initially purchased an Aukey Type A-C cable off Amazon, and some OnePlus Type A-C cables/microUSB adapters. Soon after purchasing those items, I learned from Benson Leung that the majority of manufactures weren’t following the proper standard, and intern were using the wrong resister. Now while this was great to know, it also made it hard to buy a product with confidence considering that many if not all of them were potentially dangerous to use. Benson Leung went one step further, and began testing cables, chargers, and other products then posting reviews stating whether or not each one met the USB standard. The initial Tronsmart USB-C car charger fell victim to this problem, but thankfully it was corrected with their new car charger you will see below.
Tronsmart sent me a wide array of items to review on here with each one meeting the proper standard as verified via Check-R, and Benson Leung (except for the car charger as of 12/23 which has not been tested)
Here is are some pictures of the items that will be reviewed:
Tronsmart USB Type-C 33W Car Charger with Dual USB Rapid Charging and Quick Charge 3.0
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First I will delve into an item that I know will be used on a daily basis, and that’s their car charger. The charger itself features both a USB Type-C port and a USB Type-A port to meet all of your device needs. The USB Type-A port uses something Tronsmart calls VoltIQ which will charger at 5V/3A max meeting the needs of most devices out there now. On the other hand, the Type-C port features QUALCOMM’s Quick Charge 3.0 standard so you can future proof your car by getting this charger. The Type-C port will charge at: 5-6.5V/3.0A, 6.5-9V/2.0A, 12V/1.5A(Max). This should allow the Nexus 5X/6P to rapid charge via the Type-C port, and charge at ~1.5A from the Type-A port as an in spec cable should.
I plugged both Type-C and Type-A cables into the ports to see how each one fits. The Type-C cable seems much more secure than the Type-A which is something that I’ve noticed when testing the car charger. I tested the car charger using Tronsmart’s USB Type A-C, C-C, and MicroUSB-C cables/adapter. Here are some screenshots showing the charging speed of each one on my Nexus 6P:
Update [12/25] I used the car charger on my 7+ hour drive yesterday and didn't have any issues. The C-C port was use for that part of my trip, and I plan to use the A-C cable via the Type-A port on my drive back tomorrow. I will add another update on how that goes after I get home which will be late Saturday, so the update will likely come on Sunday as a result.
Update [12/26] @MrKaon brought a good point to my attention; the car charger works perfectly fine, but it is not in spec for the USB standard. I personally did not encounter any issues with the car charger; however, the Type-C port cannot use QC 3.0 alongside the Type-C fast charging because it goes against the USB standard as outline HERE. I hope Tronsmart fixes this issue as they stated in the google + post, but all of the cables (A-C included) are in spec. The car charger is the only item that is still not correctly meeting the specification.
Update[12/29] After speaking with Tronsmart, and reading through this google plus post I'm still not sure how I feel about the charger. It does technically go against the charging standard as outline in section 4.8.2 which is further detailed by Benson Leung and the USB standard he is referencing (download). It seems that there is still a significant amount of confusion regarding the new standard. According to Benson Leung, Qualcomm has their Type-C quick charge wrong as it currently stands; this created more issues because Qualcomm told Tronsmart that its QC3.0 standard was correct when it still goes against the USB standard. To sum things up it still isn't using the standard, but it works perfectly fine as is. I'm still using it daily with a C-C cable without any issues, and I plan to until someone shows that it could cause damage to my phone/charger/car.
I used the A-C cable during my ~7 hour drive back home today, and didn't have any issues with it. I also tested both ports simultaneously, and did not notice a drop in current; this would be great if the charger was up to the proper specifications, but its not. I will wait on Tronsmart to make a updated on as they mentioned in their google + post I referenced. If Tronsmart sends me an updated one I will post a newer review on it in this OP.
USB Voltage Mult-meter test (showing that it's meeting the USB Spec)
Stock Google A-C Cable
Tronsmart A-C Cable
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Packaging:
Input/Output rating
Ports
Charging Speeds Screenshots
C-C
A-C
MicroUSB-C
Tronsmart 6[ft] USB Type A-C 2 pack
Tronsmart Type A-C 6[ft] Cable 2 Pack
I know many people still enjoy using their legacy chargers rather than buy complete new Type-C ones to replace them, this is where Tronsmart’s USB Type A-C cables come into play. These cables come in a pack of 2 (1 white and 1 black) each cable measuring 6[ft]/1.82[m] in length. Since the cables are using the Type-A port they can be used in more places than your convention Type C-C cables. I always keep a Type A-C cable in my backpack, along with a C-C cable just in case I need to plug my phone into my Surface Pro 4 or a PC for any reason.
The build quality of these cables is great, the cable itself is made out of your typical materials, and is somewhat rigid. I assume the cable will become much more flexible as time goes on, but it’s really an observation more than it is an issue for me. The connectors at each end are solid, and feel like they will last a long time by design. The USB Type-C connector is a matte plastic and tapered so it will not interfere with any cases. (it seems to work just fine with all of my cases so far including the CaseMate, and Ringke Fusion that I tested it on). The cable feels nice, and I plan to use it along with their C-C cable on my road trip tomorrow.
I tested the cable and verified that is passes via the Check-R app on my 6P. The dimensions of each end of the cable were measured with my digital caliper and will be listed below so everyone can check and ensure it will work with their intended case. I also plan to create a spreadsheet listing all of the cases, and cable compatibility given my vast assortment of them.
Update [12/25] I spoke with Tronsmart regarding the earlier mention of the cable being 'in spec', and they said all of their Type-C products have been sent to Benson Leung for review. They also noted that due to the holidays it might take a little longer before he posts about them officially. I am confident their cables will pass the test based on what I have seen as well.
Update [1/7] Benson Leung has reviewed and approved the Tronsmart A-C cable. This confirms my earlier tests of the cable. Bensons Review
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Packaging & Cables:
Connectors Black:
Connectors White:
Type-C Connector Side View Black:
Type-C Connector Side View White:
Tronsmart 6[ft] USB Type C-C 2 pack
http://www.amazon.com/Tronsmart-USB..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1G77XXSTWZGMBC089VAT
When it comes to Type-C cables, there aren’t many 6[ft]/1.82[m] cables out there to use with the factory Google charger without paying an excessive amount of money. I purchased the Google 22.5W dual port Type-C charger back when I bought my phone, and while it is very nice (so is the 1.82[m] cable) it was costly. The Google cable retails for $19.99 or the charger with the cable is $39.99; this might have been okay a few months ago, but now there are more choices for a fraction of that price. The Tronsmart USB C-C 2 pack comes with 2! of these cables for only $15.99 USD (as of 12/23). These cables are every bit as nice feeling (if not better in some ways) than the Google one I bought a while ago. I like how Tronsmart includes both a white and a black cable allowing you to choose the color based on where you intend to use it, and what one you enjoy more.
The connectors at each end of the cable are exactly the same as the previous one; this means the connector still features the tapered design, and matte finish which is fine with me.
Update [12/25] I used the C-C cable while driving for 7+ hours yesterday and it performed just as you would expect. I also used both cables in my Google Dual Port Type-C charger to charge my wife's 6P and mine last night. The cables have been working great, and my wife enjoys it more than the stock cable because it's much longer, and has a better build overall.
Update[12/25] Part 2: Tronsmart also mentioned that a C-C cable should not have a 56K pull resistor, or any resistor as noted in "3.4.2 "USB 2.0 Type-C Cable Assembly" for instructions on how to build a legal C-to-C cable. Adding a resistor would be wrong". I really appreciate Tronsmart's great service, and how they reached out to me with this information. I rarely see companies go to these lengths without first asking, but Tronsmart did this on their own without me having to ask. I'm going to buy some more of their cables because they have excellent service, and I could always use more cables.
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Connector Black:
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Tronsmart MicroUSB-C 2 pack
http://www.amazon.com/Tronsmart-Con..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1G77XXSTWZGMBC089VAT
Tronsmart decided to also make a MicroUSB-C adapter so you can use all of your old microUSB cables. These adapters also come in a 2 pack (1 white and 1 black) just like Tronsmart’s cables. I only have a handful of cables left over (primarily for my Nvidia Shield TV PRO), but these will still get used for a variety of reasons. I usually carry a USB Type A-C/C-C cables around, but this adapter is more practical in a different way. I can easily carry this in my backpack just in case I wanted to leave out my other cables, and need to charge my phone. The majority of people I know still use a microUSB cable to charge their phone, and this allows you to charge your 6P via the old cables. It is very small (easy to lose unfortunately, I wish they included a key fob like OnePlus did) but brings exactly what you need if you need to charge your phone but only have access to microUSB cables. I plan to carry one of each cable, and these adapters around with me because I like to be over prepared rather than under-prepare. I also have the TechMatte microUSB adapters, but their quality is far lower than the Tronsmart ones. The adapters remain consistent with Tronsmarts other Type-C accessories and feature a tapered body which makes them less susceptible to breaking. I can’t find any flaws in these adapters other than they don’t come with some form of holder which would prevent them from getting lost easily.
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Tronsmart 33W Dual Port Type-C, Type-A Wall Charger
Tronsmart Dual Port Type-C, Type-A 33W Travel Charger
Overview
Tronsmart is on a roll with all of their great new products being released. They Dual Port Type-C/Type-A wall charger is no exception with a familiar designto the other dual port charger they sent me. The charger is small enough to easily bring in your bad, and it has the advantage of packing both a Type-A & Type-C port for maximum versatility. I am going to bring this with me to school on a daily basis as a means of an emergency charger/long term test.
Packaging
What’s in the box
A dual port charger, and some basic documentation with Tronsmart's usual contact information.
Build & Design
I've been enjoying the other dual port charger I was sent because of its nice compact form. The addition of a fold-able plug gives the charger the extra portability you need when carrying one around. The charger features Tronsmarts signature glossy edge coupled with a nice matte plastic body. A high quality feeling plastic is used which gives it a better feel than the stock Huawei, or the Google 22.5W dual port chargers.
Ports:
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Charging
The Type-A port will charge using Tronsmarts Volt IQ up to 5V/3A, while the Type-C port uses Qualcomms Quick Charge 3.0. I have tested both ports with my 6P, a dock, Shield Controller, and external battery packs. The Type-C port will only push up to 5V/3A and not the QC 3.0 which is good. Tronsmart designed the charger so it would identify the phone, and provide only the current it could handle. This is the same idea behind their Type-C/Type-A car charger I reviewed above which is still working flawlessly. If there are any concerns over the use of QC 3.0 via the Type-C port please refer to the links I posted in the car charger section for a better explanation.
Here is a breakdown of the charging by port:
Type-A: 5V/3A
Type-C: 3.6-6.5V/3A, 6.5-9V/2A, and 9-12V/1.5A
Picture of my 6P, and battery pack charging from both ports (the 6P is "rapid charging", and the battery pack is charging slower because it was nearly full)
Summary
Tronsmart made another excellent charger using the tried and true design language that should last for a long time. I like the versatility of the foldable plug and inclusion of both types of USB ports. I would buy one of these as a gift without hesitation given its performance build, and Tronsmart's exceptional service!
At the request of Tronsmart I removed the 'hide' image tags for the car charger so the pictures can be seen immediately without clicking on each one.
Update #1 [1/12] Tronsmart is adding a PTC (positive temperature coefficient to all of their Type-C products) This is also known as a thermistor to counter some issues people had with the cables. Tronsmart stated that people who did not keep the cables dry during use/clean experienced issues, but I wouldn't worry about it as this time. The addition of the thermistor is more of a preventative measure to ensure there are no issues for anyone despite using a cable incorrectly. I have not experienced any issues personally with their products, and I will continue to use them on a daily basis unless something prevents me from doing so. I was told the Type-C products that I currently have will be replaced which is going above and beyond in my opinion. I will update this statement with any new information as it becomes available.
Update #2 [1/12] PTC is not the standard, but rather a step above in terms of safety. I wanted to add that all of these cables are 100% compliant and meet the USB specification as outlined with Benson Leungs approval. Tronsmart is going above and beyond to ensure consumer safety with their products. No other USB Type-C cables on the market current incorporate a thermistor, so with Tronsmart's revised cables you will never have to worry. (the stock Google cables do NOT have a thermistor) I believe Tronsmart is trying their best to instill confidence in their products, and stand above the rest. This is my personal opinion based on my communication with them regarding issues I've had/seen.
Very professional review! Thanks! Got the tronsmart type c car charger and the type c to a cable:good: Actually I had found the new tronsmart car charger before but didn't find any review here.
jisddwqs said:
Very professional review! Thanks! Got the tronsmart type c car charger and the type c to a cable:good: Actually I had found the new tronsmart car charger before but didn't find any review here.
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Thank you, I will post an update after my ~7-8 hour roadtrip tomorrow. I'm going to use it to keep my Nexus 6P and my wife's 6P charged during the trip. The charger seems to work just as well as my other Type-C car charger (except that one has a fixed cable), and I like the ability to use a longer cable if I want to.
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Thank you, I will post an update after my ~7-8 hour roadtrip tomorrow. I'm going to use it to keep my Nexus 6P and my wife's 6P charged during the trip. The charger seems to work just as well as my other Type-C car charger (except that one has a fixed cable), and I like the ability to use a longer cable if I want to.
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How about the update? Does it work well? PS: The link of "Tronsmart Cables/Car Charger/Adapter Review" in your signature is wrong. Just link to the post"[Review 12/23] Case Comparison: 15+ cases (Hybrid, Clear, Slim, Rugged & TPU)"
Send the product link to Benson Leung without his approval don't buy it.
His reviewed products so far
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How about the update? Does it work well? PS: The link of "Tronsmart Cables/Car Charger/Adapter Review" in your signature is wrong. Just link to the post"[Review 12/23] Case Comparison: 15+ cases (Hybrid, Clear, Slim, Rugged & TPU)"
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I fixed the link in my signature thank for you the heads up. Next, I was driving all day yesterday and I said I would update it when I had the time; it was noted in the OP that I would be out of town, and update the OP when I have the time because of that. I have a few minutes now so I will add some more to it. I do this in my free time, so please keep that in mind.
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Send the product link to Benson Leung without his approval don't buy it.
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I'm well aware of his product reviews as I mentioned very clearly in my OP. Benson Leung doesn't ask companies to send him products, but rather he buys them and conducts testing independently. He doesn't need to approve every cable in order for it to be approved. Check-R is just as accurate, and other people on Amazon who own a Pixel tested it the same way as Benson which resulted in the cable passing the test with flying colors. You cannot say "without his approval don't buy it." when there are tons of cables inspec cables that he hasn't tested. No one can seriously expect him to test every cable hence the Check-R app, and other people conducting their own tests within the same standards.
The A-C, and MicroUSB-C cable/adapter pass Check-R just fine; I see no reason why the C-C only wouldn't as well, but I don't have a Type-C port on my laptop or adapter to verify that. I highly doubt Tronsmart would make the A-C cable compliant and then make the C-C non compliant so it's safe to assume that it is indeed compliant.
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Thank you, I will post an update after my ~7-8 hour roadtrip tomorrow. I'm going to use it to keep my Nexus 6P and my wife's 6P charged during the trip. The charger seems to work just as well as my other Type-C car charger (except that one has a fixed cable), and I like the ability to use a longer cable if I want to.
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My car has a bluetooth puck that is powered by a USB port. I read that if you have something connected to the Type C port of a car charger and then connect another device, the charging ability to either device drops like a rock. (I currently have an OMAKER 6.6A 3-port USB Type A charger).
Can you replicate this? I doubt my BT puck needs to draw a huge amount of power, but it definitely has no battery and has to run on power (this was intentional, because I wanted the puck to turn on the moment the car is turned on and turn off with the car).
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My car has a bluetooth puck that is powered by a USB port. I read that if you have something connected to the Type C port of a car charger and then connect another device, the charging ability to either device drops like a rock. (I currently have an OMAKER 6.6A 3-port USB Type A charger).
Can you replicate this? I doubt my BT puck needs to draw a huge amount of power, but it definitely has no battery and has to run on power (this was intentional, because I wanted the puck to turn on the moment the car is turned on and turn off with the car).
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I'll test it with my wife's 6P and mine on both ports and let you know. I'll need to make sure both batteries are lower so they will draw more power, then let you know how it performs.
OP Updated with more remarks concerning the cable certification as previously mentioned.
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I'm well aware of his product reviews as I mentioned very clearly in my OP. Benson Leung doesn't ask companies to send him products, but rather he buys them and conducts testing independently. He doesn't need to approve every cable in order for it to be approved. Check-R is just as accurate, and other people on Amazon who own a Pixel tested it the same way as Benson which resulted in the cable passing the test with flying colors. You cannot say "without his approval don't buy it." when there are tons of cables inspec cables that he hasn't tested. No one can seriously expect him to test every cable hence the Check-R app, and other people conducting their own tests within the same standards.
The A-C, and MicroUSB-C cable/adapter pass Check-R just fine; I see no reason why the C-C only wouldn't as well, but I don't have a Type-C port on my laptop or adapter to verify that. I highly doubt Tronsmart would make the A-C cable compliant and then make the C-C non compliant so it's safe to assume that it is indeed compliant.
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Benson doesn't reviews C to C cable only A-C cables and car chargers (already disapproved other Tronsmart charger) after searching Car Charger Thread I find out his opinion about this charger:
Please read the language in section 4.8.2 closely. It prohibits a proprietary charging method, which is what QC is, from modifying the voltage at the charger or the phone side. It's not possible to be compliant with both at the same time.
The way I read the spec, it is also against spec to charge legacy devices at higher voltages (ie an older phone with a MicroB port and supports QC) out of the same Type C port.
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The spec prohibits it because it allowing it would cause significant confusion between two different methods of varying Vbus in a Type-C system. USB PD is the officially sanctioned method, and has some important advantages over any of the existing QCs. Specifically, you will NEVER see a QC hub or charging+data port on your computer because QC completely takes over the USB data lines. USB PD does not do this and there are already fast charging hubs on the market that also hook up USB 2.0 and 3.1 data lines.
Also, allowing it would potentially cause problems with legacy A-to-C cables by changing Vbus, it affects the reading the adc on the device side would read from CC.
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So don't buy it.
Only car charger that has passed his review with only 4 star is Vinsic.
Ha ha I am the one he had to clarify too lol.
MrKaon said:
Benson doesn't reviews C to C cable only A-C cables and car chargers (already disapproved other Tronsmart charger) after searching Car Charger Thread I find out his opinion about this charger:
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So don't buy it.
Only car charger that has passed his review with only 4 star is Vinsic.
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Thank you for the link, I read through the Google + posts then amended the OP to reflect what you referenced. Now, despite the car charger not being compliant, the cables are still perfectly in spec and work fine. I appreciate the link, and information. I tagged you in the OP, then inserted the link you provided so other users can have a look at it.:good:
So the important part, does it work properly like the stock charger? AFAIK and researched, Tronsmart made a 2in1 charger (QC 3.0 + 5V*3A) in one port, that's why it's not in spec. But so far on your review, it works perfectly, and is giving 2700ma when charging.
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So the important part, does it work properly like the stock charger? AFAIK and researched, Tronsmart made a 2in1 charger (QC 3.0 + 5V*3A) in one port, that's why it's not in spec. But so far on your review, it works perfectly, and is giving 2700ma when charging.
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It works just like the stock charger and will give 2.9-3A when the battery is low. I can take a screenshot later when I drain my battery enough and post it in the OP. I know its not up to the correct spec, but it still works fine. I can't recommend people use it because its not correct, yet I haven't had any issues to suggest its unsafe in any way. I have a different car charger (JOTO I believe) and it has a fixed cable which chargers at 5V/3A as well. I'll test both and take screenshots so you can see the rates each one charges at.
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It works just like the stock charger and will give 2.9-3A when the battery is low. I can take a screenshot later when I drain my battery enough and post it in the OP. I know its not up to the correct spec, but it still works fine. I can't recommend people use it because its not correct, yet I haven't had any issues to suggest its unsafe in any way. I have a different car charger (JOTO I believe) and it has a fixed cable which chargers at 5V/3A as well. I'll test both and take screenshots so you can see the rates each one charges at.
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Good to know that it's working properly and PERFECTLY. =) Read the whole thread on reddit. The only issue is, you can't mix QC 3.0 and 5V*3A(Type C charging) in one port. Something about the guidelines.
Tronsmart did it anyway, and made it work. Dunno what the issue is about anymore.
While Benson Leung did great on pointing out the defeciencies in the market, I think this scare is already blown out IMO.
But more importantly, thank you so much for the review. ??
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Good to know that it's working properly and PERFECTLY. =) Read the whole thread on reddit. The only issue is, you can't mix QC 3.0 and 5V*3A(Type C charging) in one port. Something about the guidelines.
Tronsmart did it anyway, and made it work. Dunno what the issue is about anymore.
While Benson Leung did great on pointing out the defeciencies in the market, I think this scare is already blown out IMO.
But more importantly, thank you so much for the review. ??
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I don't know enough about electronic circuits to say there won't be an issue seeing as I'm finishing a degree in Petroleum Engineering which is quite different. I'm not concerned about it killing my phone unless evidence shows otherwise, but I can't state that people should buy it because of what was mentioned. I still really like the charger, and I will continue to use it daily because its nice. I hope the issue gets sorted out sooner rather than later. I PM'd Tronsmart about the discrepancy, and I will post their response in the OP. I think out of spec A-C cables are more of a hazard personally, but the Tronsmart ones are in spec are made correctly.
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I don't know enough about electronic circuits to say there won't be an issue seeing as I'm finishing a degree in Petroleum Engineering which is quite different. I'm not concerned about it killing my phone unless evidence shows otherwise, but I can't state that people should buy it because of what was mentioned. I still really like the charger, and I will continue to use it daily because its nice. I hope the issue gets sorted out sooner rather than later. I PM'd Tronsmart about the discrepancy, and I will post their response in the OP. I think out of spec A-C cables are more of a hazard personally, but the Tronsmart ones are in spec are made correctly.
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Interesting, I find that aukey also released a similar charger with quick charge 3.0 and the type c port(the same as the tronsmart one). Also put the quick charge 3.0 into the type c port. Can't post the amazon link here now. You can search"aukey type c charger" then you can find it.
OP Updated [12/29] with even more information regarding the Type-C standard. It creates more confusion, but also clears some other things up.
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Interesting, I find that aukey also released a similar charger with quick charge 3.0 and the type c port(the same as the tronsmart one). Also put the quick charge 3.0 into the type c port. Can't post the amazon link here now. You can search"aukey type c charger" then you can find it.
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According to Benson Leungs post that charger doesn't meet the USB standard. I think Qualcomm is misleading some of these manufacturers by having their QC 3.0 standard not meet the USB one.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0119DC9O6/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Anyone know if this one is safe to use?
There is a lot of ongoing work by companies to manufacture charging products for new USB Power Delivery (USB-PD) and Qualcomm Quick Charge (QC) devices. Because the USB-PD and QC specifications are at direct odds with each other, the products are difficult to standardize, leading to confusion among consumers. Essentially, anything that does not adhere to the strict USB-C specifications is considered in violation. Google Engineer Benson Leung has tested numerous USB-C cables and chargers and found many to not be within USB-C specification. This implies they may be dangerous for USB-PD devices. However, I have not seen any true proof of QC chargers damaging USB-PD devices, only that they will not fast charge them.
The engineering points are numerous and can get fairly complex, beyond the scope of this review. However, I find it important to add to the fount of knowledge with our new phones and charging devices, and this is my small contribution.
I own a LG G5 phone, and my testing and comments are limited to this device only.
My simple method is to use a USB-A multimeter as well as the Android OS’s amperage reading. There are limitations to this. Primarily, I have been informed that the Android OS amperage is based on a voltage of 5V. This was certainly fine in the days pre-Qualcomm Quick Charge, but now with higher and variable voltage, the amperage readings are not reliable. Secondly, as this is a USB-A meter, I have no way of directly monitoring USB-C amperage or voltage. Thirdly, I do not have the ability to digitally log the voltage off the multimeter, so some of the data points presented are more general than I would like.
Here I am reviewing the Tronsmart Presto 12000mAh battery pack, which has both a USB-C port for USB-PD devices (Nexus 6P, etc) and a USB-A port for QC3.0 devices (LG G5, HTC10). It is available here:
https://amazon.com/gp/product/B01GVBFBBO/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ALTVS0Q5KJ7M3
It was provide to me for my review.
The main selling point of this battery pack aside from the QC3.0 capability is the dual types of ports. If you happen to have both QC3.0 and USB-PD devices, this battery pack can theoretically fast charge either. The QC3.0 port is rated at the usual QC3.0 voltages/amperages, and the USB-PD port is rated at 5V/3A. It comes with a short USB-A to USB-C cable to be used with the QC3.0 port. You’ll have to supply your own double-ended USB-C cable if you want to go C to C.
There’s a 4 LED gauge for how much battery is left. During charging, the LED at the end will flash. On the side there’s a button to turn on the charging. The battery is charged through the USB-C port (it’s used both for output and input). Attached to my separate QC3.0 AC adapter, the battery charged at 2.4A / 5V only. I do not have a USB-PD charger to use to charge the Presto.
EDIT: I re-tried the charging measurements using a Tronsmart branded QC3.0 AC adapter and the battery now charged at 15W, ~2.7A and 5.6V. This is better than the prior measurements! Your charging adapter matters!
For this test, I used the included USB-A to USB-C cable for the QC3.0 port. My USB-C to C cable is one provided by ChoeTech (available here https://amazon.com/gp/product/B01H3COF62/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I drained my phone down to ~20% and plugged in. Here is how the charging times for the Presto battery ports compare:
To go from ~20 to 100% for QC3.0, it took ~70 minutes. For the USB-PD port, it took 90 minutes. The mA readings for the QC3.0 are not accurate, but those reported by the Android OS. The USB-PD amperages are likely correct.
I have previously tested several QC3.0 and QC2.0 chargers. The charging time for the QC3.0 port lines up well with my multiple previous measurements. Those show that for 0-100%, it takes ~80 minutes, with ~20% increase/10 minutes for the first 20 minutes.
For the QC3.0 port, here are some general points collected from me taking notes on the multimeter readings:
Wattage maxed out at ~16-17W. Not bad!
Voltage maxed at 8.70 very briefly. Most of the early measurements (fastest charging) were at 6.4-7.4 volts.
Amperage maxed at ~2.6 briefly.
These measurements all fall within QC3.0 guidelines.
Regarding the USB-C port readings, it seems that despite a recent Gtrusted.com review,
http://gtrusted.com/review/lg-g5-su...-to-qualcomm-quick-charge-3-0-over-usb-type-c
which reported the LG G5 is also capable of negotiating charging over the USB-PD standard, many kinks and incompatibilities remain. Gtrusted.com subsequently found that the G5 cannot charge at all from the Anker or iVoler USB-PD charger USB-C ports:
http://gtrusted.com/review/40938
http://gtrusted.com/review/40937
I did not have that issue with the Presto, but the USB-PD port charging times were suboptimal. They lagged behind QC3.0, and an additional 15-20 minutes was necessary to top off the phone. I doubt the G5 is able to extract the 5V @ 3A the port is advertised to provide for USB-PD devices and that the initial Gtrusted report suggested.
Previous to my testing, I had wondered if the G5 would get the fast charging benefits of USB-PD chargers. In this case, it does not. As I mentioned in the introduction, the standards of USB-PD and QC clash with each other. Specifically, it is very unclear how manufacturers are implementing charging through USB-C ports.
Some earlier models had put QC3.0 into USB-C ports, which is in violation of USB-PD standards. BUT, I want to point out, why and how does that even affect QC capable devices? It really doesn't. The outrage on retailers such as Amazon is driven by the USB-PD side, neglecting entirely Qualcomm’s tested standard. Manufacturers in turn are removing their QC implementation from the USB-C ports and leaving them USB-PD only.
One notable issue I discovered was with the phone after the charging finished on the USB-C port and the battery auto-shutoff. The phone made repeated connecting/disconnecting sounds despite the battery pack being off. I think this is solely a G5’s issue though--perhaps the G5 detects a USB-C device but cannot successfully interface with it. The same thing occurs when the battery pack is off and you first plug in the USB-C cable. This subsides once the battery pack is turned on.
In conclusion, having 2 fast charging solutions in one battery pack is a worthwhile luxury. It’s great to see products like this fill the need. Having full-fledged QC3.0 capabilities in a portable unit makes travel and juicing up quick, easy and convenient.
Pros:
2 different ports to charge either USB-PD or QC3.0 standards! There are few options like this these days.
QC3.0 amperage, voltages, and charging times are similar to AC QC3.0 adapters!
Auto-shutoff is a nice feature to preserve battery life.
Includes a USB-C compliant USB-A to USB-C cable, a necessary touch to charge the battery if you don't already have one
If you have a capable QC3.0 charger, the battery will charge at ~15W
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The G5 does not charge at 3A/5V with the USB-C port. My estimates suggest it is more like 5V @ 2A. This may not be any fault of the charger but rather the programming controlling the charging from the phone.
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The USB-C port interface with the G5 results in repeated connects/disconnects if the battery is not off. This is more likely an issue with the phone than the Presto.
2 different ports means 2 different cables to carry!
The outrage on retailers such as Amazon is driven by the USB-PD side, neglecting entirely Qualcomm’s tested standard. Manufacturers in turn are removing their QC implementation from the USB-C ports and leaving them USB-PD only.
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This is not a good power bank to have if one does not already own a device that accepts USB-PD. Reason is this powerbank will only accept 5V3A input to charge itself. The A port cannot be used to charge it. So you cannot QC this powerbank.
So unless you have a charger with a c port that you can connect with a c to c cable, you will only be able to input 7-8W to charge this bank up instead of twice as much. The bank will take twice as long to charge.
That is not true. It *can* take either USB-PD C input or QC input to charge, and it is not only 7-8W, but rather 15W with the QC3 charger. I was afraid of that also, as USB-PD accessories are not so common yet, but my testing (and also from that other review) indicate otherwise.
I had an earlier version of this review using a different brand QC charger, and what you said was the case. Quite slow, 10W charging only (5v @ 2A). But with the Tronsmart QC3 charger, this is not the case.
Does anybody know of a car charger that does turbo charge the Moto Z? Apparently Motorola/Lenovo doesn't offer one and a third party QuickCharge 3.0 I tried failed...
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I got this one :Nekteck 5.4A USB-C Car Charger from Amazon for 15$ and it does turbo charge my phone .
I don't believe that the Z Force is set up for Qualcomm Quick Charge. And while it doesn't Turbo charge, I use the Verizon brand rapid USB-C car charger. I've also read that we have to be careful with what charging cables we use with our Z Force phones.
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zaki67 said:
I got this one :Nekteck 5.4A USB-C Car Charger from Amazon for 15$ and it does turbo charge my phone .
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Thank you, I will try that one then ?.
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I don't believe that the Z Force is set up for Qualcomm Quick Charge. And while it doesn't Turbo charge, I use the Verizon brand rapid USB-C car charger. I've also read that we have to be careful with what charging cables we use with our Z Force phones.
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At least Motorola claims it supports QuickCharge if I'm not mistaken. Apparently, though, it also has additional requirements for turbo charging to kick in... I looked at the Verizon charger, too, but a) there's not much info on its website, b) calling Verizon didn't help - they don't have a clue, and c) there is some comment / review saying that it "burned out" some user's battery (which is of course unconfirmed to be related to this charger, may have been something else).
Anyways, given the utter lack of info and the suspicion of harming the battery, I stayed away from it... not to mention the ridiculous $40 price tag.
On an other note, though, Verizon has the original Motorola TurboCharger (wall charger) at a 50% discount.
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At least Motorola claims it supports QuickCharge if I'm not mistaken. Apparently, though, it also has additional requirements for turbo charging to kick in... I looked at the Verizon charger, too, but a) there's not much info on its website, b) calling Verizon didn't help - they don't have a clue, and c) there is some comment / review saying that it "burned out" some user's battery (which is of course unconfirmed to be related to this charger, may have been something else).
Anyways, given the utter lack of info and the suspicion of harming the battery, I stayed away from it... not to mention the ridiculous $40 price tag.
On an other note, though, Verizon has the original Motorola TurboCharger (wall charger) at a 50% discount.
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No USB-C device can support Quick Charge - it violates the USB-C spec. Any quality USB-C charger that is higher amp will TurboCharge a phone. Moto screwed up by using TurboCharging name with both QuickCharge and USB-C - they are different.
The Moto Z is absurdly picky when it comes to quick charge specs.
I have a Blitzwolf QC2.0 with a type C and a Type A connector in my wifes car, and it will ONLY enter quick charge if I use the Type C to Type C cable I bought from Blitzwolf.
It will not turbo charge if I use a high end Type A to Type C cable, but my wifes LG G5 will do so happily.
I also bought a QC3 compatible charger, with the cable integrated like the original charger, and this works too, and is faster than the QC2 charger.
Both are definitely charging at more than 10 watts, the maximum for 5V 2A mode chargers.
And in fact, using a Non-QC 5V 3A charger, caused my cable to melt, and start to glow.
Incredibly my phone charging port survived.
Blitzwolf may very well be the only brand that works fully, as I just bought a Chuwi QC3 power bank, and it will refuse to quick charge my phone.
But works on some others.
And on another note, I used the Type C to Type C in a modern laptop a while back, and when I plugged it in, my phone displayed the message about receiving quick charge.
If I'm not mistaken, the Type C spec allows quick charging, but only if you use C to C, with the extra pins it's able to keep better track of the charging process I guess.
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The Moto Z is absurdly picky when it comes to quick charge specs.
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And on another note, I used the Type C to Type C in a modern laptop a while back, and when I plugged it in, my phone displayed the message about receiving quick charge.
If I'm not mistaken, the Type C spec allows quick charging, but only if you use C to C, with the extra pins it's able to keep better track of the charging process I guess.
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Yes, it seems all matter of cables...!
I have a Blitzwolf QC3.0 too BUT I'm able to obtain "Turbocharge" indication only using a *single* micro USB to type C adaptor. This with every cable and every charger. Even when connected to a USB port!
If I use every other cable or similar adaptors (I've tested many...), the "Turbocharge" never shows (except original charger obviously...).
With Blitzwolf QC3 and this cable/adaptor I got a full charge from less than 5% in about 70-75 min... during the charge cable was OK, while the adaptor (with metallic/aluminium exterior) was quite warm but never really hot in dangerous way...
Here's more information than any of you probably care about, but I'm tired of seeing the same misinformation and confusion being thrown around (not just in the Moto Z forum, but in a bunch of others, too).
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That's not true. Case in point: my ZTE Axon 7 and LeEco S3 both use QC 3.0 and both are USB-C. The common confusion comes from using "USB-C" (a connector) and "Type-C" (interchangeably used to refer to the connector and the power specification) incorrectly. Clarification below.
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Any quality USB-C charger that is higher amp will TurboCharge a phone. Moto screwed up by using TurboCharging name with both QuickCharge and USB-C - they are different.
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This is mostly true. "TurboPower" is the stupid name Moto uses to refer to the Type-C power specification. Actually, I'm being unfair: it's confusing that they called it "Type-C" in the first place and Moto took the opportunity to market the spec as their own thing.
Before going any further, let's use a common analogy to make the relationship between, wattage, voltage, and amperage easier to understand in broad terms. Wattage is the amount of water going through a pipe. Voltage is how fast that water is moving and amperage is the size of the pipe. 15W is 15W, but you can get there by having a tiny pipe (1A) with water moving really fast through it (15V) or a really big pipe (3A) with water going more slowly through it (5V). They both move the same amount of power, but in different ways. Got it? Good.
Anyway, Type-C has a fixed voltage and maxes out at 15W ([email protected]). Quick Charge 1.0 does only 10W ([email protected]), 2.0 does 18W (5/9/12V @ 3.6/2/1.5A respectively), and 3.0 does 18W with varying voltage (3.6-20V) and amperage (5-0.9A) to match. That is the advantage of QC over Type-C: a higher voltage can (usually) be run through those old and cheap USB cables without issue since voltage tolerance is determined largely by the phone and the charger. As long as the amperage doesn't exceed the capacity (gauge) of the wire, higher voltage is fine.
Amperage, though, that's what causes non-compliant or crappy cables to burn up. Really old or especially cheap cables can handle 1A max (heck, if they were built to spec, only 500mA for USB 2.0), but most cables of reasonable quality can handle 2A without much issue. They tend to use lower gauge (thicker) wires and should *not* feel warm at all when using it to charge. Some manufacturers (Samsung, for example) used to disable data on their USB cables and use it for additional amperage capacity, which is why you would occasionally buy a phone with a cable that wouldn't work for data transfer in the computer but would charge your phone just fine.
Moving on. Technically, QC 1.0 and QC 3.0 do not violate the Type-C power spec. QC 1.0 because it can't exceed it and QC 3.0 because it's variable. That said, QC 3.0 (and possibly QC 1.0, I don't know) require protocol negotiation; if that negotiation is lacking (in the case of the Moto Z), it's going to default to a "safe" charging rate (around 5W, plus or minus some). Your QC 2.0 does technically violate the Type-C spec because its voltage and amperage rates are fixed: you can get 5V at up to 3.6A. The "up to" bit is the important part. I have seen in various threads folks claiming their non-QC 3.0 phones will work with QC 2.0 chargers just fine and it's probably because the amperage tolerance is there (ie. it will actually allow 3.6A, violating spec) or it gets throttled (ie. sticks to 3A, keeping to spec).
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And in fact, using a Non-QC 5V 3A charger, caused my cable to melt, and start to glow.
Incredibly my phone charging port survived.
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If I'm not mistaken, the Type C spec allows quick charging, but only if you use C to C, with the extra pins it's able to keep better track of the charging process I guess.
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All Type-C and USB-PD compliant devices are picky about the charge specs, not just the Moto Z. Or, at least, they're supposed to be for the reasons outlined above (namely the amperage). QC devices are less picky because it frequently uses higher voltage, which we established above as being much more tolerable for cables of varying quality.
Your cable melting and glowing is to be expected when you push 3A through a cable that likely can't handle more than 2A or so. Your phone charging port survived because it's designed to handle 3A.
I'm not entirely sure about which pins do what on a USB-C connector, but you're right in the C-to-C is the only connection that (should, according to spec) support Type-C and USB-PD (Power Delivery). The rate is negotiated via the USB Power Delivery 2.0 "power rules", which define four acceptable voltages (5/9/15/20) and variable amperage (0.1-5) to obtain charge rates as low as 0.5W and as high as 100W. "Type-C" is part of the Power Delivery spec, but is usually limited to only the 5V rule. I'm fairly certain the Moto Z does not support anything past the first level power rule, which is why you likely won't find the Moto Z to charge significantly faster with the TurboPower 30 included with the Moto Z Force than it does with its original TurboPower 15 charger. No clue as to whether that's a hardware or software limitation.
Also, to answer the OP's original question: any reputable (Anker, Aukey, Choetech, Belkin, etc) that uses an actual USB-C port will work. Most (if not all) dual port units will have a USB-C port that will work with the Moto Z (or any other Type-C/USB-PD device) and a QC 3.0 compatible "traditional" USB-A port. I have yet to find one that includes two USB-C ports and I really hate the ones with integrated cables.
My personal favorite is the Choetech for $16 since its QC 3.0 USB-A port is reversible: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AAGH8OY/
This Aukey is cheaper ($15) and would be fine: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E764DXM/
Here's a Tronsmart for $16, as well: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018K7LHBU/
Even this $10 Vinsic should be okay: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014F2NQ36/
Just for funsies, here's a spreadsheet of the Benson Leung cable and charger tests: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wJwqv3rTNmORXz-XJsQaXK1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit#gid=0
Interestingly, the $10 Vinsic is on his list of approved. So there. Go buy a $10 car charger and be happy.
I have the aukey 6 port usb charging station with two QC 3.0 ports, I am using high quality braided usb 3.0 to type c cables - I have tested both QC 3.0 ports and the other ports (using ampere) - Every port lists charging as "normal" - QC port 1 shows a min of 640mA and a max of 1040mA. QC Port 2 shows - min of 530 mA and a max of 980 mA. Regular ports 3-6 all show a min of 270mA and max of 870 mA. Not one port indicated it was ever turbo or fast charging. This same charger does fast charge my lg G5 and Samsung S7 Edge.
this one is verified to give the "TurboPower connected" message when plugged in.
From what I have read, both QC 2.0 and 3.0 doesn't turbo charge moto phones. Qualcomms QC charging works by increasing the voltage and decreasing the amps. So you can have 12v and 2amp for a total of 24 watts, but that won't turbo charge the moto z. Moto works on 5 volts but needs at least 3 amps. It is the amps that seem to engage the Motos into turbo charge mode, and they have to be at least 3 amps.
This Belkin model, for example, is what Benson Leung uses for his pixel xl. Its one of the few on Amazon that is USB-IF certified for 5v 3amp.
rczrider said:
Here's more information than any of you probably care about, but I'm tired of seeing the same misinformation and confusion being thrown around (not just in the Moto Z forum, but in a bunch of others, too).
That's not true. Case in point: my ZTE Axon 7 and LeEco S3 both use QC 3.0 and both are USB-C. The common confusion comes from using "USB-C" (a connector) and "Type-C" (interchangeably used to refer to the connector and the power specification) incorrectly. Clarification below.
Moving on. Technically, QC 1.0 and QC 3.0 do not violate the Type-C power spec. QC 1.0 because it can't exceed it and QC 3.0 because it's variable. That said, QC 3.0 (and possibly QC 1.0, I don't know) require protocol negotiation; if that negotiation is lacking (in the case of the Moto Z), it's going to default to a "safe" charging rate (around 5W, plus or minus some). Your QC 2.0 does technically violate the Type-C spec because its voltage and amperage rates are fixed: you can get 5V at up to 3.6A. The "up to" bit is the important part. I have seen in various threads folks claiming their non-QC 3.0 phones will work with QC 2.0 chargers just fine and it's probably because the amperage tolerance is there (ie. it will actually allow 3.6A, violating spec) or it gets throttled (ie. sticks to 3A, keeping to spec).
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I think you are propagating mis-information. If you want to catch up on why QC 2.0/3.0 violate the USB-C spec, here it is from the horses mouth:
https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/cEvVQLXhyRX
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...omm-quick-charge-with-android-incompatibility
Interestingly Qualcomm has QC 4.0 now and they call out integration with USB-C and USB-PD https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...livers-20-faster-charging-improved-efficiency
"Quick Charge 4 also integrates USB Type-C and USB-PD support, making the industry’s most popular battery charging solution available on the widest variety of cables and adapters."
USB-C has 24 pins while standard USB-A has 4. Quick Charge chargers (2.0/3.0) only have the 4 pins of USB-A - so if it can't use the data lines, then it can't quick charge via USB-C. Since there are only 4 outputs, plugging a USB-C cable into a QC 2.0/3.0 charger will not change anything. Still only 4 wires originating from the charger. The data lines are not allowed to be used for voltage, so your QC charger will only supply a fixed 5V to the phone. So no Quick Charge.
If QC3 supports [email protected] couldn't it supply power at [email protected] to turbocharge?
Looking for a solution to turbocharge my Moto Z and support QC3 for LG G5/Samsung S7.
The TurboPower 15 wall charger delivers hours of power in just minutes of charging. It includes micro USB and single USB charging cables so you can use it on compatible smartphones, tablets, digital cameras and more.
Have a Moto Z or another USB-C enabled device? The TurboPower 30 wall charger is USB-C compatible.
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zaki67 said:
I got this one :Nekteck 5.4A USB-C Car Charger from Amazon for 15$ and it does turbo charge my phone .
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Just ordered one of these. This one specifically
Hopefully it'll work out well
This one works fine.
https://store.google.com/product/belkin_15w_usb_c_car_charger
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swejuggalo said:
This one works fine.
https://store.google.com/product/belkin_15w_usb_c_car_charger
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YES! I can confirm it!