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Redmi 3s or mi4C or other redmi 3-3pro

hello, I search a phone for my little sister,
I have a 100€ not more, which one do you think is the best at this price between the 4 ?

I will vote for the REDMI 3s. I don't like phones which are 5 inch + .
the 3s has expandable storage

Mi4C has 5inch screen ...

Hello Jordan,
I see your request and it's easy to answer it in a row.
RN3S is the best and only good choice.
MI4C is obsolete and the 3S has many feature that you have to mind:
the battery is fantastic in use (I know I have tested it during one month, same condition as RN3SD and last longer) , you have ext SD and the phone construction is very robust it doesn't suffer after the JERRY's binding test (not the case for RN3).
about the perf nothing to say because I didn't play games with it but it is a medium end performer, much than enough for everybody daily usage.
The size is perfect in hand and pocket.
And the cherry on the cake you get B20 LTE if you need it.
Go forward
See you elsewhere!

jordandroid64 said:
Mi4C has 5inch screen ...
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I know . But others are not and since you posted it in here under the Mi 4C subforum it makes that by context I am comparint the 3s to mi4c.

Rn3pro for the great soc and custom rom support , just live with the size I guess

I have a note 3 pro for myself but it is a little bit too expensive

I think the only useful advantage of Mi 4C is its camera. Mi 4C camera takes amazing photos in good light.

Mi4c for better camera and better 1080p screen. Let us not forget that Mi4c is flagship series and not a Redmi. If battery life is #1 for you, then Redmi 3S.
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I think the only useful advantage of Mi 4C is its camera. Mi 4C camera takes amazing photos in good light.
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Don't forget excellent 1080p screen!

Mi4C has a 64-bit processor. That's also a big plus

I'd probably still get Mi4c. Great screen, above average camera, fairly fast, great custom ROM selection. Mine has weak GPS, but that's the only bad thing I have to say about the phone (and I suppose it's not an universal problem since many ppl say theirs work great). Go with either one, you won't be disappointed. It can't get much better than this, considering the price point.

This phone is hot, shorter battery, weak gps and no sd card, if you can live with that, why not

I hesitate now...

You should consider the Xiaomi Redmi 4 Pro that came out November 4th. Dirt cheap on resellers sites, just about 10 dollars or so more expensive than Redmi 3S, but performance is obviously a lot better. Battery life shouldn't suffer a lot at all, since the SD 625 is very efficient.

I have a budget of 100€ not one more... it's for a kid...

Mate, just go for either Redmi 3S or Mi4C, both are great and if you're buying it as a gift, then even better. I'm probably a bit biased because I own a Mi4C, but still. I bought it a month ago and I couldn't be happier. The battery is completely okey, it lasts me the whole day without problems, camera is fantastic, the screen is gorgeous and from the technical standpoint it should receive community updates longer than Redmi 3S. But as I said, the Redmi 3S is a good phone as well, so whichever you'll choose, you won't go wrong.

Hi.
In my opinion (I have both devices), 3S is smaller and has longer battery but Screen is HD (thats one reason because battery is longer) and of course fingerprint (that really i never use). However, Mi4c has better resolution and powerful SoC, Wifi capabilities, and also double flash/camera for night photos.
Now I'm using Mi4c with Cm14 and I love it! Smooth, fast... and everything in bright and FullHD.

Coming from Note 8?

Has anybody sold/traded their Note 8 for a OnePlus 6? Does anyone have both? If so, how does the OnePlus 6 compare? Obviously the OS is different, faster processor and GPU, but I would like to hear people's thought about whether they like it better, if there is a way different feel to it than the Note 8. I am currently considering switching over myself. Thanks for your thoughts and opinions in advance!

Note 8: better screen, better camera (debatable), ip68 certified.
Op6: fastest phone on the market right now, nothing can beat it. OxygenOS is smooth and has no bloatware. Battery life should be a bit better than your Note 8 too.
I had an S8+ before this which is very comparable to your Note 8 and I don't regret it. The speed and snappiness of this phone is addictive.
I am a hardcore user.. lots of video calls, heavy multitasking with ****loads of apps open on the same time, gaming (pubg) and the phone never breaks a sweat.
Oh and gotta love the dash fast charging. Half an hour and you're back with 50% charge.
The camera is by far bad, close to flagships but missing out here and there to be as good as S9 or P20 pro or Google Pixel 2 XL camera. I recommend watching some reviews to get more insight in the camera. I'm personally not disappointed.
Hope this helped. Good luck.

wtr_dhd said:
Note 8: better screen, better camera (debatable), ip68 certified.
Op6: fastest phone on the market right now, nothing can beat it. OxygenOS is smooth and has no bloatware. Battery life should be a bit better than your Note 8 too.
I had an S8+ before this which is very comparable to your Note 8 and I don't regret it. The speed and snappiness of this phone is addictive.
I am a hardcore user.. lots of video calls, heavy multitasking with ****loads of apps open on the same time, gaming (pubg) and the phone never breaks a sweat.
Oh and gotta love the dash fast charging. Half an hour and you're back with 50% charge.
The camera is by far bad, close to flagships but missing out here and there to be as good as S9 or P20 pro or Google Pixel 2 XL camera. I recommend watching some reviews to get more insight in the camera. I'm personally not disappointed.
Hope this helped. Good luck.
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I also came from a dual-SIM 256GB N8 and mostly agree with what you have said but the camera, man, it's horrid. Nowhere as good as the reviews claimed and absolutely abysmal in low light. It is a very fast phone, the fastest I have ever used (have used dozens and dozens of smartphones over the last twenty or so years). I miss the wireless charging, though I got around it by adding the wireless charger sleeve but it charges very slowly.
By the way, if you trip Knox and install a custom ROM on the N8, it's also pretty darn fast. Just a bit more work to do that. I definitely miss the Note 8's camera.

If your always been using a flagship phone, oneplus is not for you. Its made for budget type people. The screen, camera, overall experience is not for you. Its for people who dont care about a little small thing thats is missing but the speed. But for the speed itself it does not much different from the note 8 so imo its not worth changing (im not saying upgrading)

keaheng said:
If your always been using a flagship phone, oneplus is not for you. Its made for budget type people. The screen, camera, overall experience is not for you. Its for people who dont care about a little small thing thats is missing but the speed. But for the speed itself it does not much different from the note 8 so imo its not worth changing (im not saying upgrading)
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See I disagree. I've always went "flagship" in the past. I've stayed with Samsung mostly, and coming from the note 8 most recently. I am not really missing anything. I love this phone. Best of all, I'm back into the custom side of Android again and I get to play a little. I missed that. There's tons of gimmicky features out there that i could have, but wouldn't really make my personal user experience any better. Honestly, I can do more with this phone. For me and my needs/wants, this is a better phone than the note 8, but to each his own.
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houboy said:
Has anybody sold/traded their Note 8 for a OnePlus 6? Does anyone have both? If so, how does the OnePlus 6 compare? Obviously the OS is different, faster processor and GPU, but I would like to hear people's thought about whether they like it better, if there is a way different feel to it than the Note 8. I am currently considering switching over myself. Thanks for your thoughts and opinions in advance!
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To answer your questions, I do like it better. I love the feel. It's a nice phone aesthetically, and I'm happy with the build quality. Feels better in the hand than the note 8 and definitely fits in my pocket better. Holding them side by side, the op6 is smaller, but with basically the same screen real estate. I'm by no means a OnePlus fan, as this is my first, but this was a good start. I personally am glad I made the switch. That certainly doesn't mean you will and obviously there are others that will disagree. This is just my honest opinion.

I went from Note 8 to OP6.
Miss the camera just a little bit, and SPen features like cropping screenshots and writing on screen

My note 8 was having issues and sold it. It was a few days before the OnePlus released. Only bought it because it holds it value.
Community(not xda or Reddit) makes me dislike the phone. Device is nothing special. Not bad but does nothing special outside of maybe 1hr plus of sot. Quick Updates obviously.
International note 8 over most phones.

OnePlus 6 pictures. Doubt the note 8 will do massively better. Yes in low light it's not as good as a flagship but it ain't bad either.
https://flic.kr/p/28kXMQq
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https://flic.kr/p/JLokBP
https://flic.kr/p/JLokyn
https://www.flickr.com/gp/[email protected]/Ms4MC5

I had the S9+ and moved to the OP6. No regrets at all. Sure the camera isn't as good and it's not water resistant, but I don't mind those trade offs.

came from note 8 ,the only thing from note 8 is camera ,but op 6 has more like fast software ,fast updates better cpu ,gpu and camera for me is not bad

houboy said:
Has anybody sold/traded their Note 8 for a OnePlus 6? Does anyone have both? If so, how does the OnePlus 6 compare? Obviously the OS is different, faster processor and GPU, but I would like to hear people's thought about whether they like it better, if there is a way different feel to it than the Note 8. I am currently considering switching over myself. Thanks for your thoughts and opinions in advance!
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I switched from a Note 7 to Pixel XL to OP6 Silk White, and I couldn't be happier. But I also was a big fan of Note 7 over the awful Pixel XL. I am hesitant to recommend OP6 over Note 8, just because I loved Note 7 so much. OP6 is a great phone nevertheless.

Above sums it up. Can't go wrong with either choice

sold Note 8 for OnePlus 6 (my first OnePlus phone) and I'm really happy with it. Obviously it depends on what you're searching from a smartphone. If you like speed, fast updates and modding (like me) you'll never regret the change

geoff5093 said:
I had the S9+ and moved to the OP6. No regrets at all. Sure the camera isn't as good and it's not water resistant, but I don't mind those trade offs.
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is the performance better on the op6 ??

leondestiny said:
is the performance better on the op6 ??
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there's no doubt the performance is better

b.huss2 said:
there's no doubt the performance is better
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thing is, the price of a s9+ is very close to the price of a 128gb OP6 from where im from..
so im torn between those 2.

leondestiny said:
thing is, the price of a s9+ is very close to the price of a 128gb OP6 from where im from..
so im torn between those 2.
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I've set up an S9 for a friend, and it was a fantastic phone. The one thing to consider for sure is that an OP6 comes with a plastic screen protector factory installed and a silicone case (which is actually excellent,) so you are good to go out of the box. I had to spend about $60 to put a Dome screen protector and a Slickwrap on the back for the S9. Takes time and money if you want to protect the glass surfaces. It's amazing to me how no large company like Samsung ever thought of it.

leondestiny said:
thing is, the price of a s9+ is very close to the price of a 128gb OP6 from where im from..
so im torn between those 2.
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That's a tough decision for sure. I guess it depends on what you need out of your phone. I wanted to get back into heavy customization (I like to tinker with stuff and the note 8 was locked down tight), and out from under TMobiles thumb, so I sold my note 8 and give up my jump plan. It was the original jump too, which made it a very hard decision...but necessary to truly get free from TMobile.
After doing some research, the OnePlus 6 just stood out to me as the best choice. I'm not regretting it at all. Super fast phone. Great Android experience. No frills but I'm ok with that, and it's got just enough that I might even used the frills that it does have, and developers will add more . I'm pleased with the caliber of developers that are showing up here. Exciting for sure.

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Takes time and money if you want to protect the glass surfaces. It's amazing to me how no large company like Samsung ever thought of it.
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Especially since the TPU case and screen protector can't have cost OP more than a couple of bucks.

I have both. When I compare the two, the only thing that sticks out for me between the note 8 and the one plus is the screen and form factor of the note 8. I love the note 8 screen. But thats it. In my opinion, the note 8 is waaaaay too slow for me. Tons of features, but pointless with all the lag. I love the oneplus cuz it's simple, fast, and so much more fun to use. Plus, Im a big fan of stock Android. Samsung is great, but can be too much at times.

Coming from LG G6

Hey
I'm currently a lg G6 user and I'm thinking about buying the mi mix 2s !
I live in Paris so had the chance to test it live in their store and found it beautiful, the screen was very good and the camera too, but I also tried the Xiaomi S2 in hand and felt good too.
I know the price would be a factor, but it's not the case for me and Idk what to buy, the S2 or the mi mix 2s.
I mostly use my phone for youtube, chatting sms calls... no games and I take many pictures, so the camera and battery are important to me (I also like to use custom roms ...)
I ask you if you could please give me your opinion and help me choose
Many thanks !

The Mi Mix 2S has the better camera and internal specs, also the build materials are better. But that's because they are different phones, aimed at different targets: The Mi Mix 2S being a flagship, whereas the S2 is a mid tier phone.

I totally agree with Kristof_clg, however keep in mind that the 2s is very heavy. Feels very strange if you are not used to it

I also came from a G6. Don't get the 2S. Hell, don't get any Xiaomi device.
Too many broken/missing features.
Just get another LG or something like that.

I was on LG G5, next ZUK Z2 Pro, next OnePlus 3 and now on Mix 2S and it's A LOT better than all previous ones, smoothness, camera, quality build, the screen, it's very very impressive, I know the G6 and you should leave LG for Xiaomi.

I moved from LG6 to MIX 2S and don't regret it. all specs are obviously better, including battery life. took me a while to get used to weight, MIX 2s is a very, very heavy device. there were few problems with original software, but latest update fixed it. Camera is much better. design was the reason i bought MIX, but if i should do it again, i will not buy Xiaomi device again.

barcode99 said:
I moved from LG6 to MIX 2S and don't regret it. all specs are obviously better, including battery life. took me a while to get used to weight, MIX 2s is a very, very heavy device. there were few problems with original software, but latest update fixed it. Camera is much better. design was the reason i bought MIX, but if i should do it again, i will not buy Xiaomi device again.
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SolarisSixth said:
I also came from a G6. Don't get the 2S. Hell, don't get any Xiaomi device.
Too many broken/missing features.
Just get another LG or something like that.
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Could you please explain the reasons why? Since I already had a redmi note 4 it was great overall besides the camera.
Thanks !

"Very, very heavy" ?! Seriously ? I don't feel it heavy at all ?

Bryandu13 said:
"Very, very heavy" ?! Seriously ? I don't feel it heavy at all
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Depends on what phone you had before. I bought the 2s after I used the oneplus one for a long time... The 1+1 is wonderful lightweight and the 2s feels like I can murder someone with it

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"Very, very heavy" ?! Seriously ? I don't feel it heavy at all
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191 g vs 163 g that's a very big difference, isn't it?

barcode99 said:
191 g vs 163 g that's a very big difference, isn't it?
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Maybe for girls

barcode99 said:
191 g vs 163 g that's a very big difference, isn't it?
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It simply doesn't make a big deal to me.
I owned 11 smartphones and it truly doesn't bother me. In fact I'm okay with it.
Just my personal preference.

I came from an HTC 10 and a Nexus 6 before that. Neither of those phones was built to be a lightweight, and even I noticed how heavy the 2S is. That said, it doesn't bother me a bit. To me if feels sturdy and I would much rather that than it feeling cheap and like it couldn't take a drop (my first couple of Samsung phones come to mind). Plus as stated earlier, you could use it as an effective weapon if needed

LG have had quality build issues. G4 bootloop due to bad memory, G5 gps Very weak, to not working at all. I have a g5 currently and have a mix 2s on its way to me. I dont know what missing features apart from headphone jack and no microsd slot there are. Mix 2s has an ir blaster like g5 has which you wont find on any other current flagship main stream device now and 8gb ram 256gb rom is more than what samsung or lg give you, 4gb of ram on s9 is terrible for a premium device. Micro sd cards are reletively slow anyway, getting 256gb mix 2s negates the need for microsd.

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LG have had quality build issues. G4 bootloop due to bad memory, G5 gps Very weak, to not working at all. I have a g5 currently and have a mix 2s on its way to me. I dont know what missing features apart from headphone jack and no microsd slot there are. Mix 2s has an ir blaster like g5 has which you wont find on any other current flagship main stream device now and 8gb ram 256gb rom is more than what samsung or lg give you, 4gb of ram on s9 is terrible for a premium device. Micro sd cards are reletively slow anyway, getting 256gb mix 2s negates the need for microsd.
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The Mix 2S has an IR blaster? I tried the Mi Remote app and it told me the phone wasn't compatible.

Homestar1217 said:
The Mix 2S has an IR blaster? I tried the Mi Remote app and it told me the phone wasn't compatible.
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Sorry it doesn't. Some sites that list specs incorrectly say it has. Obviously googling for "mix2s ir blaster" takes you to those sites, my mistake. I have my mix 2s now, I didn't when I posted that.

Xiaomi Mi problems or just rumors?

Hi XDA guys!
Everybody knows that Mi series goal is to be better than Redmi at least in specs and performance.
But how about performance to price ratio, how about all other things that You dont worry and dont expect in REDMI casue it's cheap but You do expect it in the MI series?
What are the problems/things that You don't like in MI series?
What are the problems/things that You don't like in REDMI series if there is any? WHY? Cause we all know not to expect wonders for a low budget priced phones.
I've talked to many people who had/have REDMI and MI series Xiaomi phones (clients, selllers, internet folks, friends) and they only agree on ONE thing -the price is great wheter it is REMI or MI phone.
A strange thing happens.... REDMI owners are always satisfied. The only thing that bothers not all of them is the camera quality.
But in low and middle price segment REDMI beats EVERY other BRAND.
Xiaomi has also great prices in the high end flagship models but here MANY PEOPLE are dissapointed.
For example camera quality, screen quiality, body, bezel, bugs, no NFC, no european B20 LTE band.
The MI users also tell me that non of the above bothers them but something totaly different. EACH person = an original problem with MI device.
Can You please tell me what are Your problems/dislikes with MI and REDMI devices cause I'm about to buy one from each segment?
What should I worry about (Android updates maybe?) buying a REDMI and a MI phone IN YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIANCE?
Don't get me wrong. I never had a MI phone but in shops they perform GREAT so I wonder what's the fuss is about?

You Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S is running good, Internal version with all bands, I bought it in Xiaomi shop in France so it's normal to get everything good.
The problems that I noticed are a performances issues on benchmarks and the back glass is very fragile, I have scratches even with the case.
I have big hopes with Android P.

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You Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S is running good, Internal version with all bands, I bought it in Xiaomi shop in France so it's normal to get everything good.
The problems that I noticed are a performances issues on benchmarks and the back glass is very fragile, I have scratches even with the case.
I have big hopes with Android P.
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Thanks for reply dude, I have some questions though:
1. What exactly did You notice on benchmarks? Performance issues shouldn't exist. It's the fastest CPU (SD 845).
2.Why do You have big hopes with Android P. Is Oreo making problems and what kind?
3. It would seem like in flagship models the manufactuers put very delicate screens probably to earn more cash on repair. I have the same problem on Samsung Galaxy S8. A slightly nail can scratch the surface and still they say it's gorilla glass. That unacceptable.
On Redmi Note 4 (cheap Xiaomi phone) I have such a hard screen that I don't need any kind of protection....

My mi mix 2s issue is just about ghosting screen and laggy video recording, other than that is perfect.

So many issues. Mostly software which has too many bugs to list. Text selection is buggy. Text input is laggy because of full screen gestures. Often no way to switch apps during calls. MIUI is a disaster. Our Mi A2 running Android One is a significant step up.
In terms of hardware, the Mix 2s is ok. The screen is the main problem. It is not very bright outside compared to my old pixel. Also it scratches very easily. I've never had a scratch on a phone screen in over 10 years, but I already have 2 on this handset after a few weeks and I don't have a clue how as I don't keep anything else in the same pocket. It says it is gorilla glass but I don't believe it - I think it is made out of cheese

I've noticed performance drops on benchmarks too. First Antutu score was 270k, the last one i did after factory was 209k....
Phone gets hot real quick, idle cpu temperature is around 39C.
My camera lens started to peel... after a week

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Thanks for reply dude, I have some questions though:
1. What exactly did You notice on benchmarks? Performance issues shouldn't exist. It's the fastest CPU (SD 845).
2.Why do You have big hopes with Android P. Is Oreo making problems and what kind?
3. It would seem like in flagship models the manufactuers put very delicate screens probably to earn more cash on repair. I have the same problem on Samsung Galaxy S8. A slightly nail can scratch the surface and still they say it's gorilla glass. That unacceptable.
On Redmi Note 4 (cheap Xiaomi phone) I have such a hard screen that I don't need any kind of protection....
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1 - Low scores for a S845 (less than 200k on AnTuTu, 3400 on 3dmark slingshot extreme, 1900-7000 on Geekbench)
2 - Xiaomi announced big buffs for camera and performances with their Android P builds.
3 - I'm just talking about scratches, because the back is ceramic and shouldn't be scrashed so easily under a case (the provided one).

That scratching is simply a way to tell Your subconcius to buy another flagship from Xiaomi cause the current one will be too scrached.
Are You sure that the long awaited Mi Mix 2s has a long list of bugs?
Xiaomi did overtime to put this phone on the market with flawless opinion.
What else I can expect from Mi Mix 2s and do You think that these bugs won't exist in the newly lanuched Mi8?
BTW It's a shame, Xiaomi was well on their way to beat even Samsung with performance to price ratio but they suddenly asked too much cash for their top phones.
If they would keep up what has been done in the low budget phones we could have a worldwide revolution resouting in ALL brands lowering their price for even flagship phones.
It was so close... We all would benefit from it. For example a Samsung S9+ instead of 1000 $ would cost 600 USD.
Xiaomi did us no favor and got all of a sudden a big time player alhought their flagships are yet far from being great.

Who cares?I am using this phone, not someone else.I like it, this is the most important thing.

1 - My Mix 2S never freezes. Never.
2 - I'm not facing any issue with video recording (4k).
3 - I don't give a **** for performing Antutu tests. I just look at its scores before buying.
4 - I'm with Mix 2S about 20 days and there's no lens peeling or scratches. I am careful with it. I can sell it right now as a new.

Adriano-A3 said:
1 - My Mix 2S never freezes. Never.
2 - I'm not facing any issue with video recording (4k).
3 - I don't give a **** for performing Antutu tests. I just look at its scores before buying.
4 - I'm with Mix 2S about 20 days and there's no lens peeling or scratches. I am careful with it. I can sell it right now as a new.
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2 - Just check in camera settings 60 fps isn't available.
3 - ok, but the Snapdragon 845 was a major spec for this device and the phone perform like a S835 one.
4 - You're lucky for the scraches, I don't know how the mine have been scrached under a case, but I have no lens peeling neither.

I've had mine for 3 months now, and it's perfect for me, especially for the price.
No scratches, no peel lenses, and I don't notice any ghosting. In fact, my only gripe is that the MIUI notification pull down with the brightness slider needs you to touch where the slider is before you can move it. My previous phone (ZUK Z2 Pro) let you tap anywhere on the slider bar and it would move to where your finger is. So quickly upping to full brightness in sunlight on my Mix 2S is trickier as I need to see where the slider is.

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2 - Just check in camera settings 60 fps isn't available.
3 - ok, but the Snapdragon 845 was a major spec for this device and the phone perform like a S835 one.
4 - You're lucky for the scraches, I don't know how the mine have been scrached under a case, but I have no lens peeling neither.
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2 - You are right. Is Xiaomi crazy?
3 - As I told for a friend early: I didn't notice any difference while using Mix 2 and Mix 2S. I'm not on gaming. I just want a never-lag device, iykwim.
4 - I'm with my device 24 hours per day. I know where it is everytime.

I have the global model 128gb version and as soon as it was set up I was disappointed with MIUI.
Never had a Xiaomi device before but the rom sucks and has so many bugs in it it's really annoying.
Fortunately some people here are developing custom ROMs and I'm on pixel experience gsi right now which works flawlessly. It's like having a Pixel for half the price. Of course there is some work left for the Devs regarding some little features like auto brightness and camera apps but I'm use a Gcam port and it's fine for me.
It's not the device IMO its the software that kills it. They have good prices but the bootloader unlocking process is really annoying and their software suite like the MiFlash tool is really crappy.
I tried flashing the Android P Beta from Xiaomi and almost bricked my phone because they just forgot to include some batch files in the original download. I was lucky because some guy here provided all the needed files and I got the device running but this must not happen to a company that wants to be a global player.
Just my 2 cents...
I use the provided case and have no scratches, lens peels whatsoever but the case start to break on the lower right corner after just 2 months and taking it off only 3 times. But it was free so I'm okay with that.

kleinholzinferno said:
I have the global model 128gb version and as soon as it was set up I was disappointed with MIUI.
Never had a Xiaomi device before but the rom sucks and has so many bugs in it it's really annoying.
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Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, which is "boring": never had a single issue in two years.
When I bought the Mi Mix 2S I was perfectly aware that I was buying a totally different phone, with an OS which apparently is always in beta stage.
But, you know, my Xiaomi is just fun!

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Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
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The problem is that reviews never talk about the bugs or missing features. And the ROM flashing community makes it sound easy to just swap to an AOSP ROM, without mentioning that AOSP ROMs take a very long time to develop and lose features like camera quality etc.
Personally I expected MIUI to be a bit annoying. I used it 6 years ago and it was not great but I had expected it to have improved. I was wrong. It is the worst experience I've had on a phone out of the box. I can't believe companies manage to sell consumer devices this bad. Xiaomi puts a tonne of effort into a ROM that has fewer features and worse usability than stock Android. Why invest so much energy into making something worse?

mike freegan said:
The problem is that reviews never talk about the bugs or missing features. And the ROM flashing community makes it sound easy to just swap to an AOSP ROM, without mentioning that AOSP ROMs take a very long time to develop and lose features like camera quality etc.
Personally I expected MIUI to be a bit annoying. I used it 6 years ago and it was not great but I had expected it to have improved. I was wrong. It is the worst experience I've had on a phone out of the box. I can't believe companies manage to sell consumer devices this bad. Xiaomi puts a tonne of effort into a ROM that has fewer features and worse usability than stock Android. Why invest so much energy into making something worse?
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I had both stock and miui , emui , etc...
I had Nokia 8 , Lg G6 , Honor 8 huawei p9 , p10 plus, xiaomi mi mix 2s , samsung s5
And i dont understand why do you say that miui has less features ... It has theme engine (no root) ,gestures, optimized battery saving , screen temprature
It seems you dont know what you are talking about , i found that the phone with less features was nokia 8 (stock) . The only thing good was the fastest updates but i had no control about nothing

guildamx said:
Well, this is your respectable opinion but I really don't understand why people spend 500 USD/EUR being totally unconscious of the products they are buying.
MIUI OS has been developed for many years and it always had the same peculiarities: extremely visually accurate, feature-rich, buggy, childish.
MIUI is something you just love or hate. But it has been so for years: people should know in advance when they buy normal Xiaomi devices (I mean, other than A1 or A2).
It is very surprising that buyers complain of something everibody knows.
I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, which is "boring": never had a single issue in two years.
When I bought the Mi Mix 2S I was perfectly aware that I was buying a totally different phone, with an OS which apparently is always in beta stage.
But, you know, my Xiaomi is just fun!
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Just to clarify some things:
Before buying a product at that price range I'm thoroughly investigating the product. So I was not "totally unconscious" as you call it.
I was aware of the OS and the differences from stock android. But if you can't get your hands on a device before buying it you have to trust reviews and hands on videos. And almost all of them didn't mention the problems I encountered.
As posted before you're getting lied to or bugs and errors are just sugarcoated and no one tells the truth.
I have no problem flashing phones and always did and I'm glad there are alternatives for this piece of crap MIUI. You say it's developed for years? Maybe, but for this amount of time invested into an OS we could expect a better performance and stable ROMs without all the bugs.
Have you ever read the official MIUI forum? Besides the point whor**g there it's full of bugs and problems and none of the Xiaomi devs gives a flying f*ck about the people reporting them.
I'm happy with the pixel experience rom by now. Never going back again.
End of rant.
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It has theme engine (no root) ,gestures, optimized battery saving , screen temprature
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Yeah themes are the most important feature... especially when you have to set your location to India to get it to work.
You know, that's one of the things that makes me mad. It's not only about pushing as many features into a rom as possible. They should work properly to be a benefit. Not working features are a no-go.
And all of the things you mention are not MIUI specific. They try to copy all the good stuff from other manufacturers, but fail permanently.
Battery life was catastrophic with MIUI. With the Pixel Experience rom I get twice the SOT. And that's with a not device customized GSI...let that sink in.

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Again, that is your point of view. I am not saying you are lying, just that your opinion is highly subjective.
1) MIUI forum is full of children writing "cool" and "great". Nothing comparable with XDA. But is has been so since the beginning. Every experienced android user knows (and keeps far away). Why complain now?
2) As I wrote above, I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, whose OS is rock-solid. Still I cannot complain about the lack of feature in MIUI. For example I have many routines in my ordinary day; with the S7 I used Tasker for scheduling vibration mode, wifi on/off, connection and so on; MIUI has this feature and works great, without additional apps (and root!). Same for taking screen captures: no need to edit build.prob, as MIUI has a simple gesture for that. I agree that MIUI may have some bugs, but definitely the issue is not the lack of features.
3) Battery life was "catastrophic" just in your configuration. In my configuration battery drain is comparable with S7, i.e. very good.

guildamx said:
Again, that is your point of view. I am not saying you are lying, just that your opinion is highly subjective.
1) MIUI forum is full of children writing "cool" and "great". Nothing comparable with XDA. But is has been so since the beginning. Every experienced android user knows (and keeps far away). Why complain now?
2) As I wrote above, I also own a Samsung S7 Edge, whose OS is rock-solid. Still I cannot complain about the lack of feature in MIUI. For example I have many routines in my ordinary day; with the S7 I used Tasker for scheduling vibration mode, wifi on/off, connection and so on; MIUI has this feature and works great, without additional apps (and root!). Same for taking screen captures: no need to edit build.prob, as MIUI has a simple gesture for that. I agree that MIUI may have some bugs, but definitely the issue is not the lack of features.
3) Battery life was "catastrophic" just in your configuration. In my configuration battery drain is comparable with S7, i.e. very good.
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Of course my opinion is subjective...as all opinions are. I just pointed out what bothers me about the forum, the device and the software.
I've seen and used much better android ROMs and MIUI is just not for me. So I switched the rom asap.
I also used Samsung's UI on my brand new tablet with at the time some of the best hardware you could get. And guess what it lagged awfully. So I dumped the Samsung firmware, installed lineage and it's snappy and responsive. No comparison.
But everybody likes and uses or needs other features, as you mentioned and that's perfectly fine. That's the great advantage of a free system like android.
I just don't need the "features" of MIUI to me it's overloaded.
Regarding the forum you're right. It's like playing COD with a bunch of 14 year olds on steroids.

OnePlus 7 Pro OR Redmi K20 Pro ?

Hi, I decided to change my phone (LG G5) this year, because finally here are the notch-less phones.
I'm really interested by the oneplus 7 pro, the asus zenfone 6 doesn't seem better, but the Xiaomi Redmi k20 is coming soon.
With the same features, but seems smaller (I think that the oneplus is really too big for the one hand use)
But, mostly it's about the OS, miui or oxygen os ?
miui seems close to apple (no thank you) and oxygen close to android stock.
Do you think I should wait the redmi k20 announce ? (28 may) or it doesn't worth to wait ?
Thanks.

trotirider said:
Hi, I decided to change my phone (LG G5) this year, because finally here are the notch-less phones.
I'm really interested by the oneplus 7 pro, the asus zenfone 6 doesn't seem better, but the Xiaomi Redmi k20 is coming soon.
With the same features, but seems smaller (I think that the oneplus is really too big for the one hand use)
But, mostly it's about the OS, miui or oxygen os ?
miui seems close to apple (no thank you) and oxygen close to android stock.
Do you think I should wait the redmi k20 announce ? (28 may) or it doesn't worth to wait ?
Thanks.
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I haven't done full research into the k20 but if the question is between OxygenOS Vs MIUI and generally between how Xiaomi operates Vs OnePlus then I would say OnePlus every day of the week.
I have been personally interested in the Xiaomi Mi phones for a few years but I always see a lack of ROM development, the extended period of time it takes to get your bootloader unlocked, the adverts built into MIUI and the heavy customisation as really big negatives of Xiaomi.
The performance of the OnePlus 7 Pro is fantastic. If you use the GPU Profiling developer setting, even on 90hz 1440p, the phone hardly goes over the green line (or doesn't drop frames) on the stock kernel. Once we get custom kernels up and running from the likes of RenderBroken and Arter97, this thing will absolutely fly!
In terms of size I have smaller hands and I agree that you can't use this phone one handed all of the time. There are things you can do like swipe down for notifications that do help but it's still a two handed phone for some uses. Having said that, that's the way this industry is going so for mez I would need a phone with 5-5.5inch display with all screen display to be truely one handed (HTC 10 was the last phone I could use completely one handed and manage to reach everywhere on the phone without it being awkward).
My view is go for the 7 Pro and you won't regret it.
Sent from my OnePlus7Pro using XDA Labs

Thanks for the detailed reply, I agree with you and I think to buy it tomorrow

trotirider said:
Thanks for the detailed reply, I agree with you and I think to buy it tomorrow
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm7IWLNmqWk

Yeah it seems nice, but I don't really care anymore as I already bought the OP7pro.
The redmi is still not announced in France, I think the redmi k20 is a little better on the hardware, but not the software.
And yes cheaper.
I'm happy with the OP7pro, except a little too much heavy but I don't regret, but it's nice for redmi, the market need flagships killer.

the only downside of OnePlus 7 Pro is the curved screen

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the only downside of OnePlus 7 Pro is the curved screen
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Yes I agree about that too, I didn't think that it was a downside before using it all day.

A flat screen and a headphone jack I'd go with redmi

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Yes I agree about that too, I didn't think that it was a downside before using it all day.
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and the blue tint on the side is quite serious, especially in low light condition

keaheng said:
A flat screen and a headphone jack I'd go with redmi
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Yes I understand, and also if I'm right a better fingerprint sensor.
But what about the OS ?

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Yes I understand, and also if I'm right a better fingerprint sensor.
But what about the OS ?
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OEM skin is a main factor that you have to decide.
Oxygen OS is not perfect either. Killing app on background aggressively is something that oneplus doesn't want to fix. Echo voice on Snapchat Facebook messenger etc. Battery life is not great either.

One plus always !

OnePlus 7Pro for the win!

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Yes I understand, and also if I'm right a better fingerprint sensor.
But what about the OS ?
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You can disable the ads and I am hoping because of the agressive pricing and bootloader unlock there will be tons of custom ROMs so software should not be an issue

I was so about to order the Oneplus 7 pro but now after the K20 pro launch I am having second thoughts.
Can someone please state all the reasons why I must buy OP7 pro over the K20 pro so that my faith in Oneplus is restored again :angel:

keaheng said:
OEM skin is a main factor that you have to decide.
Oxygen OS is not perfect either. Killing app on background aggressively is something that oneplus doesn't want to fix. Echo voice on Snapchat Facebook messenger etc. Battery life is not great either.
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I just disagree about this point, the battery is awesome.
I charged it yesterday morning 100%, I used it a lot as a new phone a lot of config, but also videos à 100% brightness (screen at 90hz)
I only charge it during the car (watching video 100% too and low charging in car), not charging during the night, this morning I am at 61%.
And another good point, screen at 100%, videos, games, install apps etc.. and no heat.
This is the first time I don't need to charge a phone during my sleep.

Interested to see how well the K20 pro works with Oxygen OS flashed on it. Cheaper phone with OOS, that'll do nicely.

K20, it has a headphone jack, I won't feed tard companies that wants to force you to buy new headphones that are inferior to the ones with cable at this point.

I went for the 9t pro.. Flat screen, headphone jack and £300 cheaper for similar spec - 8gb/256gb model... A no brainer imo... No adware I can see and I use nova launcher anyway re GUI. Awesome. Would've liked regular software updates but for the price .....

I own the K20 pro before the OnePlus 7 pro,the display under sunlight it's like cheap oled screen the colour is bad, fingerprint doesn't recognize all the time if your finger is dirt or wet, the miui have a lot of bugs, the front camera capture the coverbord if you use the full body cover and is little annoying
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But what about the OS ?
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the fingerprint is BAD on k20 pro