Not quite sure how I should proceed to undo some of the stuff I've done, I should have froze some system apps, but I deleted them, how should I go about upgrading to the latest OTA from 5.0.2?
Well the easiest thing would to be to flash a stock rom then upgrade, if you don't care about root.
Easiest method would to use Samsung Smart Switch, it will back up your data flash new firmware, doesn't matter if you deleted things or not, and then restore your data.
TactiKs said:
Not quite sure how I should proceed to undo some of the stuff I've done, I should have froze some system apps, but I deleted them, how should I go about upgrading to the latest OTA from 5.0.2?
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you do realize once you go to latest OTA you lose root AND your deleted system apps will re-install.
jucytec said:
you do realize once you go to latest OTA you lose root AND your deleted system apps will re-install.
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I do realize that, but I have been debating whether I should or not, whether that update is significant enough or not, what do you guys think?
TactiKs said:
I do realize that, but I have been debating whether I should or not, whether that update is significant enough or not, what do you guys think?
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all depends on what you can't live without.
For me ability to uninstall system apps, and run 3minit battery mod.
some others here mentioned ad blocker, which i also like, but it tends to block too much sometimes, right now I have a dozen+ websites that do not work with ad blocker on.
if losing root takes away the ability to __________, it is not worth it.
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I recently received a OTA notification on my Nexus S (GT-I9023) that the 2.3.4 update was available to install. I then tried to install it and thus the phone went through it's restart procedure to do so. However it got stuck at a screen with an exclamation mark in a triangle with a little android guy next to it. Eventually I manually restarted and subsequently checked what android version my phone was on and it said it was still on 2.3.3.
Only now when I go to e.g. the app store and select 'my apps', not all my apps show up and those that don't only have the link to install and not to update. Also, rechecking for any updates - the phone reports there are no available updates and no further notifications are received about he 2.3.4 update.
I had previously unlocked the boot-loader in order to gain root access (build # GRI40). I'm NOT on clockwork or cyanogen, i've still got a vanilla boot-loader and OS.
Any ideas?
Also, do such updates wipe my phone? If I wanted to start using cyanogen, would that mean i'd have to do a wipe?
OTA update for some phones is screwed up. You can update manually by flashing the full ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056062
If you want to flash CM, yes you need to do a clean wipe.
Si_NZ said:
OTA update for some phones is screwed up. You can update manually by flashing the full ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056062
If you want to flash CM, yes you need to do a clean wipe.
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Thanks for the info. I assum doing the manual flash of the vanilla rom won't wipe my data?
Also, after some testing I found that even though the app store thinks I don't ave certain apps when I do, re-installing them over te top of my existing aps seems to fix the problem without any loss of user data. Go figure.
Maybe I should just do away with vanilla android and use cyanogen. Manual updates/installs always seem to be more reliable than OTA. Side question: If I do instal cyanogen, would that mean my phone would check for cyanogen updates? Or would it continue to check for vanilla android from google?
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Thanks for the info. I assum doing the manual flash of the vanilla rom won't wipe my data?
Also, after some testing I found that even though the app store thinks I don't ave certain apps when I do, re-installing them over te top of my existing aps seems to fix the problem without any loss of user data. Go figure.
Maybe I should just do away with vanilla android and use cyanogen. Manual updates/installs always seem to be more reliable than OTA. Side question: If I do instal cyanogen, would that mean my phone would check for cyanogen updates? Or would it continue to check for vanilla android from google?
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It doesn't touch /data, so no, it won't wipe your data.
CM has its own mechanism for update checking, I'm not sure if it works now, because it didn't before. But you can let ROM Manager update CM for you.
OK, i've now updated to 2.3.4 thanks to that link you provided.
Learnt my lesson though: Never use OTA when XDA forums are superior
Bah! Using that guide made me lose root *sigh*
It's well known that stock ROMs remove root. Just apply root again and you are good to go.
Hi all,
I used Titanium Backup to remove bloatware apps from my rooted 6210. Will this modification affect the ICS update? will it give me an error message or will it just install these bloatware apps back? Thanks in advance!
PS I heard the update is coming in September...LOL
To be safe I would recommend that you reinstall all the apps you uninstalled. I mean, it should be ok, but I always like to be safe rather then sorry..
And September 2013 got it
vamp6x6x6x said:
To be safe I would recommend that you reinstall all the apps you uninstalled. I mean, it should be ok, but I always like to be safe rather then sorry..
And September 2013 got it
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Not this. When ICS comes along you'll want to do a complete wipe and start from scratch. The process of rooting should prevent OTA updates, so if you want the stock ICS you'll have to unroot first. I'll wait it out for someone to build rooted ICS builds.
Dunno if that will hold for the SGT+. Previous devices I've gotten on rooted devices just broke root. (TF101 comes to mind) Could be different for Sammy. But then we all did full backups before rooting....right?
I think that it will not matter what you have installed or uninstalled. M major updates like those will wipe everything and probably could not be done on OTA.
I would advice to do backup of your personal data only. If you restore a full backup of hc on ics you will got a bootloop.
Root should not prevent updates at all, but we will lose it. But probably we can use the same steps to take it back an the same update file.
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You'll have no problems updating through Kies but it will wipe everything. Not sure if an OTA will even be put out for those who bought it through a carrier or if everyone will have to update through Kies. I believe AT&T is forcing everyone to update their GSII to ICS through Kies. We will also most likely lose the ability to root until someone fixes it in ICS which shouldn't take too long.
jesusdiedforyourroms said:
Hi all,
I used Titanium Backup to remove bloatware apps from my rooted 6210. Will this modification affect the ICS update? will it give me an error message or will it just install these bloatware apps back? Thanks in advance!
PS I heard the update is coming in September...LOL
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based on my experience, it doesn't matter what bloatware you delete, it'll all be back with a vengeance in the update. Things related to your apps and data shouldn't be wiped, but you will lose root and have to wait for the talented folks here to figure out how to re-root.
Will I have to unroot my RAZR Maxx hd in order to receive the ota jellybean update? I have the stock rom still. used titanium backup to freeze some bloat. And have installed safe strap and ran a custom recovery So with all that done will I still receive the update?
DizzyFox said:
I have the stock rom still. used titanium backup to freeze some bloat.
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I suggest you unfreeze bloatware before applying the OTA as some OTAs do check for pre-requisites and bloatware currently installed might be part of these pre-requisites.
madmonkey57 said:
I suggest you unfreeze bloatware before applying the OTA as some OTAs do check for pre-requisites and bloatware currently installed might be part of these pre-requisites.
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Thanks I'll unfreeze all of the bloat ware I also forgot I had done the tether hack where I used the editor to change the values to make the tether app work. Should I also set that backwhen the time come for the ota roll out?
DizzyFox said:
Thanks I'll unfreeze all of the bloat ware I also forgot I had done the tether hack where I used the editor to change the values to make the tether app work. Should I also set that backwhen the time come for the ota roll out?
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For that particular hack, I don't know for sure. But it's probably a good idea to revert to a state as close as possible to stock.
Hello,
I'm a Canadian user (6045i) that installed the US firmware (7SR4-UE40) a while ago. I'm rooted (flashed SuperSU in Recovery mode).
Today, I finally decided that I wanted to get the latest firmware update (5.0.2-7SRA-UEA2). I did a full unroot with SuperSU, rebooted, checked that the phone was indeed without root access and tried to get the OTA update. Every time I try, it says my system is up to date. Why is that? What can I do to get the update?
Thanks.
So, I'm the only one with that problem?
Download UEA2 and install it like you did with UE40? That's what I've done to get the latest US firmware. We're not going to see the US OTA updates through a Canadian carrier. We have to install these ourselves, manually, just as you did with UE40.
Muskoka said:
Download UEA2 and install it like you did with UE40? That's what I've done to get the latest US firmware. We're not going to see the US OTA updates through a Canadian carrier. We have to install these ourselves, manually, just as you did with UE40.
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I thought of doing that, but if I recall well, someone mentioned that doing this, you were missing some of the stuff that was installing while doing it with the OTA. Can someone confirm this?
Did you notice some improvement with your phone since you installed the latest update? As for me, the double tap never really works well (well maybe i out of 4 times), this is something I'd like to see improved...
metaleloi666 said:
I thought of doing that, but if I recall well, someone mentioned that doing this, you were missing some of the stuff that was installing while doing it with the OTA. Can someone confirm this?
Did you notice some improvement with your phone since you installed the latest update? As for me, the double tap never really works well (well maybe i out of 4 times), this is something I'd like to see improved...
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As far as I know the firmware's posted here by users are the "exact" image you would get if you did a OTA update yourself. Improvement, a bit I guess. The double tap can still be an issue once and a while. I find a reboot solves the issue, but only for a while. The Chinese rom was the best performing firmware all around, but changed too much internally (files system) for my liking, so I went back to stock UEA2, with root.
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As far as I know the firmware's posted here by users are the "exact" image you would get if you did a OTA update yourself. Improvement, a bit I guess. The double tap can still be an issue once and a while. I find a reboot solves the issue, but only for a while. The Chinese rom was the best performing firmware all around, but changed too much internally (files system) for my liking, so I went back to stock UEA2, with root.
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So, no need to unroot to flash this firmware?
Do you have a link to download it? I can't find it at the moment... Thanks.
metaleloi666 said:
So, no need to unroot to flash this firmware?
Do you have a link to download it? I can't find it at the moment... Thanks.
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Here's the post I followed (for others that might read this)....instructions are in the first post. I'm pretty sure you need to un-root, I did anyways.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/idol-3/general/convert-canadian-6045i-to-6045i-updates-t3177979
See the 3rd post of this thread for all the user submitted firmwares, UEA2 is at the top of the US firmwares, submitted by Brian117. As famewolf has stated in that thread, these are "out of the box".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/idol-3/general/want-to-able-to-install-ota-updates-t3163745
Hope that helps.....
Thanks! If I were doing this as an OTA, I won't have to wipe my device and start all over with the apps. Is there a need to wipe everything with this update? I did wipe everything when I installed the US firmware (from the Canadian) the 1st time, but I'm not too crazy to start all over again...
Try without wiping apps/data, should work fine. If not, you'll have to wipe everything. As your rooted you should have Titanium Backup installed, and doing routine backups of your apps/data. I have my apps/data backed up every night on a automatic schedule at 2 in the morning. It's always there on my external sd card should I have a issue. Makes swapping roms / firmwares a non issue.
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Muskoka said:
Try without wiping apps/data, should work fine. If not, you'll have to wipe everything. As your rooted you should have Titanium Backup installed, and doing routine backups of your apps/data. I have my apps/data backed up every night on a automatic schedule at 2 in the morning. It's always there on my external sd card should I have a issue. Makes swapping roms / firmwares a non issue.
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I do have Titanium. So, yes, I'll be able to come back to where I was quickly if I have to wipe everything. I was not rooted when I installed the US firmware at first, so I had to reinstall everything. Didn't think of Titanium before asking this time....
Thanks again!
TOday i've received the notification of a new security update on my moto g turbo. My phone is root and I've a couple of frozen system apps. Can I just say yes to the update? or do I have to unfrozen and unroot? is it possible that this update fixes the flaw that allow us to root? thanks.
If you have rooted your phone, you shouldn't apply any OTA update because you can brick your phone, as far as I know.
No... It is not safe to install. OTA updates, even simple security updates, cannot be installed on a device that is rooted or modified in ANY way, it will softbrick and if you don't know how to handle that then it can be very frustrating.
Either ignore the update or restore back to pure stock, take the OTA update, root, and setup like a new phone. You could potentially use TiBu or UltiBu to backup and restore, but I usually find that causes more problems than it solves.
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No... It is not safe to install. OTA updates, even simple security updates, cannot be installed on a device that is rooted or modified in ANY way, it will softbrick and if you don't know how to handle that then it can be very frustrating.
Either ignore the update or restore back to pure stock, take the OTA update, root, and setup like a new phone. You could potentially use TiBu or UltiBu to backup and restore, but I usually find that causes more problems than it solves.
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isn't there a twrp option to flash updates?
fscussel said:
isn't there a twrp option to flash updates?
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No... OTA updates cannot be applied without factory recovery and /boot and /system unchanged.
acejavelin said:
No... OTA updates cannot be applied without factory recovery and /boot and /system unchanged.
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Is there an option in twrp or CWM to save all user settings/programs/files, apply the update, and then restore those?
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Is there an option in twrp or CWM to save all user settings/programs/files, apply the update, and then restore those?
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No... But you can do a full nandroid backup in TWRP then extract the data you want with Titanium Backup. Again, I do not recommend this method, setup clean is much preferable.
You may want to look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015-moto-g/general/manual-ota-update-process-step-step-t3206049
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No... But you can do a full nandroid backup in TWRP then extract the data you want with Titanium Backup. Again, I do not recommend this method, setup clean is much preferable.
You may want to look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015-moto-g/general/manual-ota-update-process-step-step-t3206049
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Certainly starting again from 0 is unbelievable bad. It's a pain in the ass do it all over again. I will keep my phone without the update or I will find a way to unroot, apply the update and then root again.
What's the best way to do a complete backup with user files and everything, I mean evertyhing, of the phone before I try this procedure? in twrp or cwm?
fscussel said:
Certainly starting again from 0 is unbelievable bad. It's a pain in the ass do it all over again. I will keep my phone without the update or I will find a way to unroot, apply the update and then root again.
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Well... Even if you unroot and fastboot flash stock recovery, it won't undo any changes to the system, most people who attempt this fail and leave their device either unbootable or not updateable. BTW, if you had a custom ROM none of this would be an issue because updates to custom ROMs are designed to work with TWRP and customization. Unfortunately, with how Google has implemented security changes and checks, updates on Lollipop and newer Android cannot be applied to modified devices.
Here is my opinion on this, and it is not always liked:
If you have an Android device, especially if it is a modified one, you should ALWAYS be ready and willing to reset it at any time... Use Google Photo or some other cloud based app to maintain backups of pictures and videos, perform regular cloud backups of SMS/MMS messages (SMS Backup & Restore is great for this), perform regular backups in TWRP and with TiBu or UltiBu, and always enable and use Google's backup service and maintain file copies on a microSD card, PC, or other cloud storage... personally I usually do this weekly but that is because I make lots of changes to my device. There are also many tools that can automate this process, such as Tasker.
Additionally, I see little to no advantage to rooting a stock device, a stock rooted device has immediately been limited in regards to updates, with older devices this isn't an issue because updates are done, but on newer ones it is a serious pain. Stock and rooted is a waste of time... if you want to root you might as well go ahead and flash a custom ROM, otherwise leave it pure stock without root. This may seem an odd statement from a guy who has written several rooting tutorials, but it is my view on this.
Again, this is my opinion... if you modify, be ready to lose everything at any time, if you are then this isn't an issue, and if the worst happens, like you drop your phone in the river or smash the screen, or you just get a new device, you always have some source for the information to restore back to a device.
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fscussel said:
What's the best way to do a complete backup with user files and everything, I mean evertyhing, of the phone before I try this procedure? in twrp or cwm?
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TWRP has a backup tool, use it... you can restore to that exact point at any time, it's called a nandroid backup and is a dump of each partition of the phone, restoring it will essentially bring the phone back to that exact moment in time. Remember that the default save point for this is on internal storage, which can/will get wiped, so save to the SD card and/or copy it off the device.
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Well... Even if you unroot and fastboot flash stock recovery, it won't undo any changes to the system, most people who attempt this fail and leave their device either unbootable or not updateable. BTW, if you had a custom ROM none of this would be an issue because updates to custom ROMs are designed to work with TWRP and customization. Unfortunately, with how Google has implemented security changes and checks, updates on Lollipop and newer Android cannot be applied to modified devices.
Here is my opinion on this, and it is not always liked:
If you have an Android device, especially if it is a modified one, you should ALWAYS be ready and willing to reset it at any time... Use Google Photo or some other cloud based app to maintain backups of pictures and videos, perform regular cloud backups of SMS/MMS messages (SMS Backup & Restore is great for this), perform regular backups in TWRP and with TiBu or UltiBu, and always enable and use Google's backup service and maintain file copies on a microSD card, PC, or other cloud storage... personally I usually do this weekly but that is because I make lots of changes to my device. There are also many tools that can automate this process, such as Tasker.
Additionally, I see little to no advantage to rooting a stock device, a stock rooted device has immediately been limited in regards to updates, with older devices this isn't an issue because updates are done, but on newer ones it is a serious pain. Stock and rooted is a waste of time... if you want to root you might as well go ahead and flash a custom ROM, otherwise leave it pure stock without root. This may seem an odd statement from a guy who has written several rooting tutorials, but it is my view on this.
Again, this is my opinion... if you modify, be ready to lose everything at any time, if you are then this isn't an issue, and if the worst happens, like you drop your phone in the river or smash the screen, or you just get a new device, you always have some source for the information to restore back to a device.
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TWRP has a backup tool, use it... you can restore to that exact point at any time, it's called a nandroid backup and is a dump of each partition of the phone, restoring it will essentially bring the phone back to that exact moment in time. Remember that the default save point for this is on internal storage, which can/will get wiped, so save to the SD card and/or copy it off the device.
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Let's say I go do it... What's the best steps to do it?
1) nandroid backup
2) restore original bootloader??
3) unroot? how?
4) install the update
5) replace the bootloader
6) root again
??
fscussel said:
Let's say I go do it... What's the best steps to do it?
1) nandroid backup
2) restore original bootloader??
3) unroot? how?
4) install the update
5) replace the bootloader
6) root again
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The bootloader is not relevant, /boot is your boot image (kernel) and it is what is modified when you root, /system is not touched by systemless rooting itself but almost everything you do with root access (like Xposed or debloating) modifies it.
Unrooting is done inside the SuperSU app itself, note that this does not undo any changes made to /system with root access, it just removes the su binary, SuperSU app, and undoes the changes to /boot by restoring the stock image.
The best way to do an update on a stock, rooted device that I am aware of is by following the tutorial I linked a few posts earlier.