Moto G turbo 2015 - new security update this week. Is it safe to install? - Moto G 2015 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

TOday i've received the notification of a new security update on my moto g turbo. My phone is root and I've a couple of frozen system apps. Can I just say yes to the update? or do I have to unfrozen and unroot? is it possible that this update fixes the flaw that allow us to root? thanks.

If you have rooted your phone, you shouldn't apply any OTA update because you can brick your phone, as far as I know.

No... It is not safe to install. OTA updates, even simple security updates, cannot be installed on a device that is rooted or modified in ANY way, it will softbrick and if you don't know how to handle that then it can be very frustrating.
Either ignore the update or restore back to pure stock, take the OTA update, root, and setup like a new phone. You could potentially use TiBu or UltiBu to backup and restore, but I usually find that causes more problems than it solves.

acejavelin said:
No... It is not safe to install. OTA updates, even simple security updates, cannot be installed on a device that is rooted or modified in ANY way, it will softbrick and if you don't know how to handle that then it can be very frustrating.
Either ignore the update or restore back to pure stock, take the OTA update, root, and setup like a new phone. You could potentially use TiBu or UltiBu to backup and restore, but I usually find that causes more problems than it solves.
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isn't there a twrp option to flash updates?

fscussel said:
isn't there a twrp option to flash updates?
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No... OTA updates cannot be applied without factory recovery and /boot and /system unchanged.

acejavelin said:
No... OTA updates cannot be applied without factory recovery and /boot and /system unchanged.
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Is there an option in twrp or CWM to save all user settings/programs/files, apply the update, and then restore those?

fscussel said:
Is there an option in twrp or CWM to save all user settings/programs/files, apply the update, and then restore those?
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No... But you can do a full nandroid backup in TWRP then extract the data you want with Titanium Backup. Again, I do not recommend this method, setup clean is much preferable.
You may want to look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015-moto-g/general/manual-ota-update-process-step-step-t3206049

acejavelin said:
No... But you can do a full nandroid backup in TWRP then extract the data you want with Titanium Backup. Again, I do not recommend this method, setup clean is much preferable.
You may want to look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015-moto-g/general/manual-ota-update-process-step-step-t3206049
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Certainly starting again from 0 is unbelievable bad. It's a pain in the ass do it all over again. I will keep my phone without the update or I will find a way to unroot, apply the update and then root again.
What's the best way to do a complete backup with user files and everything, I mean evertyhing, of the phone before I try this procedure? in twrp or cwm?

fscussel said:
Certainly starting again from 0 is unbelievable bad. It's a pain in the ass do it all over again. I will keep my phone without the update or I will find a way to unroot, apply the update and then root again.
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Well... Even if you unroot and fastboot flash stock recovery, it won't undo any changes to the system, most people who attempt this fail and leave their device either unbootable or not updateable. BTW, if you had a custom ROM none of this would be an issue because updates to custom ROMs are designed to work with TWRP and customization. Unfortunately, with how Google has implemented security changes and checks, updates on Lollipop and newer Android cannot be applied to modified devices.
Here is my opinion on this, and it is not always liked:
If you have an Android device, especially if it is a modified one, you should ALWAYS be ready and willing to reset it at any time... Use Google Photo or some other cloud based app to maintain backups of pictures and videos, perform regular cloud backups of SMS/MMS messages (SMS Backup & Restore is great for this), perform regular backups in TWRP and with TiBu or UltiBu, and always enable and use Google's backup service and maintain file copies on a microSD card, PC, or other cloud storage... personally I usually do this weekly but that is because I make lots of changes to my device. There are also many tools that can automate this process, such as Tasker.
Additionally, I see little to no advantage to rooting a stock device, a stock rooted device has immediately been limited in regards to updates, with older devices this isn't an issue because updates are done, but on newer ones it is a serious pain. Stock and rooted is a waste of time... if you want to root you might as well go ahead and flash a custom ROM, otherwise leave it pure stock without root. This may seem an odd statement from a guy who has written several rooting tutorials, but it is my view on this.
Again, this is my opinion... if you modify, be ready to lose everything at any time, if you are then this isn't an issue, and if the worst happens, like you drop your phone in the river or smash the screen, or you just get a new device, you always have some source for the information to restore back to a device.
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fscussel said:
What's the best way to do a complete backup with user files and everything, I mean evertyhing, of the phone before I try this procedure? in twrp or cwm?
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TWRP has a backup tool, use it... you can restore to that exact point at any time, it's called a nandroid backup and is a dump of each partition of the phone, restoring it will essentially bring the phone back to that exact moment in time. Remember that the default save point for this is on internal storage, which can/will get wiped, so save to the SD card and/or copy it off the device.

acejavelin said:
Well... Even if you unroot and fastboot flash stock recovery, it won't undo any changes to the system, most people who attempt this fail and leave their device either unbootable or not updateable. BTW, if you had a custom ROM none of this would be an issue because updates to custom ROMs are designed to work with TWRP and customization. Unfortunately, with how Google has implemented security changes and checks, updates on Lollipop and newer Android cannot be applied to modified devices.
Here is my opinion on this, and it is not always liked:
If you have an Android device, especially if it is a modified one, you should ALWAYS be ready and willing to reset it at any time... Use Google Photo or some other cloud based app to maintain backups of pictures and videos, perform regular cloud backups of SMS/MMS messages (SMS Backup & Restore is great for this), perform regular backups in TWRP and with TiBu or UltiBu, and always enable and use Google's backup service and maintain file copies on a microSD card, PC, or other cloud storage... personally I usually do this weekly but that is because I make lots of changes to my device. There are also many tools that can automate this process, such as Tasker.
Additionally, I see little to no advantage to rooting a stock device, a stock rooted device has immediately been limited in regards to updates, with older devices this isn't an issue because updates are done, but on newer ones it is a serious pain. Stock and rooted is a waste of time... if you want to root you might as well go ahead and flash a custom ROM, otherwise leave it pure stock without root. This may seem an odd statement from a guy who has written several rooting tutorials, but it is my view on this.
Again, this is my opinion... if you modify, be ready to lose everything at any time, if you are then this isn't an issue, and if the worst happens, like you drop your phone in the river or smash the screen, or you just get a new device, you always have some source for the information to restore back to a device.
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TWRP has a backup tool, use it... you can restore to that exact point at any time, it's called a nandroid backup and is a dump of each partition of the phone, restoring it will essentially bring the phone back to that exact moment in time. Remember that the default save point for this is on internal storage, which can/will get wiped, so save to the SD card and/or copy it off the device.
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Let's say I go do it... What's the best steps to do it?
1) nandroid backup
2) restore original bootloader??
3) unroot? how?
4) install the update
5) replace the bootloader
6) root again
??

fscussel said:
Let's say I go do it... What's the best steps to do it?
1) nandroid backup
2) restore original bootloader??
3) unroot? how?
4) install the update
5) replace the bootloader
6) root again
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The bootloader is not relevant, /boot is your boot image (kernel) and it is what is modified when you root, /system is not touched by systemless rooting itself but almost everything you do with root access (like Xposed or debloating) modifies it.
Unrooting is done inside the SuperSU app itself, note that this does not undo any changes made to /system with root access, it just removes the su binary, SuperSU app, and undoes the changes to /boot by restoring the stock image.
The best way to do an update on a stock, rooted device that I am aware of is by following the tutorial I linked a few posts earlier.

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Wifi Tether (any fixes)?

I'm obviously new to this so bare with me.
I just rooted my Sprint HTC Hero and the first thing I would like to do is use it to tether. I've tried both versions of Android_wifi_tether (1.52, 1.6) but have had no luck in getting it functional. Basically; It broadcasts the signal (I'm at work so the only way to test it was with a Macbook) just fine. The Macbook even connects to it and my phone shows "3KB down 7.8KB up" meaning it detected something has connected. Once that happens nothing else works. The Macbook indicates it has no internet connection.
I was wondering if anyone has been able to get this to work? I'm a little hesitant on installing a custom ROM because it seems like a lot of work and I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to Linux.
Also, can my phone still be updated or is that still unkown? If I install a root app and the update kills root does that mean I lose it entirely or just for anything I try to install post update?
As a side note: Someone should make a post with step by step guides to follow. What I mean by this is put the guides in chronological order.
1) Root your phone (guide link)
2) Run Nandroid backup (guide link)
3) etc.
Anyway, really appreciate the work! This is exciting.
fatkitty420 said:
I'm obviously new to this so bare with me.
I just rooted my Sprint HTC Hero and the first thing I would like to do is use it to tether. I've tried both versions of Android_wifi_tether (1.52, 1.6) but have had no luck in getting it functional. Basically; It broadcasts the signal (I'm at work so the only way to test it was with a Macbook) just fine. The Macbook even connects to it and my phone shows "3KB down 7.8KB up" meaning it detected something has connected. Once that happens nothing else works. The Macbook indicates it has no internet connection.
I was wondering if anyone has been able to get this to work? I'm a little hesitant on installing a custom ROM because it seems like a lot of work and I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to Linux.
Also, can my phone still be updated or is that still unkown? If I install a root app and the update kills root does that mean I lose it entirely or just for anything I try to install post update?
As a side note: Someone should make a post with step by step guides to follow. What I mean by this is put the guides in chronological order.
1) Root your phone (guide link)
2) Run Nandroid backup (guide link)
3) etc.
Anyway, really appreciate the work! This is exciting.
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Currently the only phones that have wifi tethering working are the ones who installed MoDaCo's ROM...something in there is configured differently to allow it to work.
thecodemonk said:
Currently the only phones that have wifi tethering working are the ones who installed MoDaCo's ROM...something in there is configured differently to allow it to work.
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How functional is the ROM?
The one thing I'm scared of is that if I install a ROM I'll be dependent on this community to make future things work?
I mean, can you still access the Market? What about future updates? Will applications I purchased already still be available?
Like I said, I'm still fairly noobish.
fatkitty420 said:
How functional is the ROM?
The one thing I'm scared of is that if I install a ROM I'll be dependent on this community to make future things work?
I mean, can you still access the Market? What about future updates? Will applications I purchased already still be available?
Like I said, I'm still fairly noobish.
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No sweat! If you look at my join date and postcount, you can see I'm not exactly the veteran around here either.
The MoDaCo ROM doesn't modify very much yet...just adds functionality (it's not the heavily optimized kernel that the GSM users have for example). I'm finding it fairly stable...there's a few quirks but those have fixes pretty easily found so far.
I can still purchase from the market...the stuff you purchased already is tied to your google account, not your phone. I bought Docs2Go before I rooted and flashed and I was able to redownload and install without any hassle or added cost.
On a custom ROM, future updates do depend on the person who is building the ROM. However, MoDaCo has proven pretty reliable thus far in keeping up with releases so it's a bit of a trust thing, do you trust MoDaCo to continue that trend or would you rather place your trust in the manufacturer? (It's a preference thing and willingness to risk either way).
The upside is that once you root to a recovery image (Not even changing your OS), you can take a Nandroid backup of your phone, which is an image you can drop back on there to get back to stock/manufacturer spec (as if you never left).
Any changes to your phone since the backup will not show up but that's kindof the risk.
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k on there to get back to stock/manufacturer spec (as if you never left).
Any changes to your phone since the backup will not show up but that's kindof the risk.
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This is somewhat confusing for me. My phone is currently rooted. If I restore it factory default will it still be rooted?
If not,
Then should I restore to factory default first, take a Nandroid back up (this looks difficult), then root my phone?
The recovery image is basically replacing the "Factory reset" image, right?
fatkitty420 said:
This is somewhat confusing for me. My phone is currently rooted. If I restore it factory default will it still be rooted?
If not,
Then should I restore to factory default first, take a Nandroid back up (this looks difficult), then root my phone?
The recovery image is basically replacing the "Factory reset" image, right?
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Ah ok...the recovery image is like a second mini OS you are booting into that has menu options and specializes in updating your phone with a custom ROM, running Nandroid for backups, and enabling you to mount your SDCard to your computer, so installing that doesn't actually do anything to your phone's running OS.
Nandoid takes a backup of the phone's OS (the one you use every day) as it is right now. It places the backup onto your sdcard under a folder called "nandroid" (where you can take a copy of it and put it on your computer to be safe). So whenever you Nandroid your phone, it's taking a snapshot of how your phone is currently configured (the whole thing) and if you restore from that three weeks from now after doing a bunch of things...it restores to the phone as if you hadn't done anything to it in those three weeks.
So to make an example: if you take a backup of your phone right now (rooted, right?) and then you do a bunch of things to it...then restore from that backup, it's as if you didn't do any of those things you did since the backup (but it will still be rooted since you backed up a rooted phone).
Second Example: If you nandroid your phone when it's running MoDaCo's ROM...when you restore it, it will be running MoDaCo's rom and configured however it was configured then.
I wouldn't worry about trying to get to factory default first...HTC has an official utility that can get you back to the state your phone was in when you first openned it out of the box. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=559622)
thecodemonk said:
Ah ok...the recovery image is like a second mini OS you are booting into that has menu options and specializes in updating your phone with a custom ROM, running Nandroid for backups, and enabling you to mount your SDCard to your computer, so installing that doesn't actually do anything to your phone's running OS.
Nandoid takes a backup of the phone's OS (the one you use every day) as it is right now. It places the backup onto your sdcard under a folder called "nandroid" (where you can take a copy of it and put it on your computer to be safe). So whenever you Nandroid your phone, it's taking a snapshot of how your phone is currently configured (the whole thing) and if you restore from that three weeks from now after doing a bunch of things...it restores to the phone as if you hadn't done anything to it in those three weeks.
So to make an example: if you take a backup of your phone right now (rooted, right?) and then you do a bunch of things to it...then restore from that backup, it's as if you didn't do any of those things you did since the backup (but it will still be rooted since you backed up a rooted phone).
Second Example: If you nandroid your phone when it's running MoDaCo's ROM...when you restore it, it will be running MoDaCo's rom and configured however it was configured then.
I wouldn't worry about trying to get to factory default first...HTC has an official utility that can get you back to the state your phone was in when you first openned it out of the box. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=559622)
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Great, this really clarified things.
I love technology but, like most of these things, it's very overwhelming at first.

[Q] factory reset after one click root

just use the one click root tool by kennethpenn, work perfectly thanks. use titanium back to do a backup of all the app and system then took out all the att bloatware. i have few questions at this point.
1.
will i be able to get OTA updates from att? what will happen to all the bloatware that i deleted? would they appear again?
2.
what happens if i do a factory reset on the phone? would i brick the phone? under normal condition that will erase all apps i installed and return it to factory setting, that means all the att bloatware will be back? will i lost root?
3.
what other things i can do after i root the phone at this point?
thank you for your help
no one can help me with those questions??? anyone???
i am sure a lot of people have the same question.
1.
will i be able to get OTA updates from att? what will happen to all the bloatware that i deleted? would they appear again?
I'm not 100% sure on this, but as long as you're running an actual AT&T ROM (not an Asian or Rogers ROM), you'll be notified of the OTA's. Now, if you're not using the stock Recovery image (that is, if you've installed CWM Recovery), you won't be able to apply the update. OTA updates get applied via the stock Recovery image.
2.
what happens if i do a factory reset on the phone? would i brick the phone? under normal condition that will erase all apps i installed and return it to factory setting, that means all the att bloatware will be back? will i lost root?
If you do a factory reset from CWM or within the phone's UI, you're fine. Root will remain in place, and you won't brick it. It just clears the user data from the phone, and should leave "sdcard" intact. However, I'm not 100% sure what happens if you do a factory reset from the bootloader. So just don't do it that way, unless someone else can confirm that it's okay.
3.
what other things i can do after i root the phone at this point?
You ca use apps like AutoKiller to change your memory management, for one. That's about all I'm doing with root right now. If we ever get custom kernels, you'll be able to overclock your CPU. If you search the Play Store for "root," you'd doubtlessly find some other root apps that you may be interested in.
Hope this helps!
Don't ever ever ever install an OTA on any rooted Android device. At the least, it won't work anyway, or you will lose root. At the worst, you will be stuck in a bootloop. Updated ROMs (based on the OTA's, but rooted, and safe to flash) usually get posted in Development soon after the OTA's go out. That is what you want to install.
craig0r said:
However, I'm not 100% sure what happens if you do a factory reset from the bootloader. So just don't do it that way, unless someone else can confirm that it's okay.
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I can confirm that it's OK. My phone was rooted and stuck in a boot loop. I did a factory reset. It was reset and still rooted after the fact. So you can do it.
thank you all
redpoint73 said:
Don't ever ever ever install an OTA on any rooted Android device. At the least, it won't work anyway, or you will lose root. At the worst, you will be stuck in a bootloop. Updated ROMs (based on the OTA's, but rooted, and safe to flash) usually get posted in Development soon after the OTA's go out. That is what you want to install.
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Just to clarify, pre-rooted versions of the official ROMs (which often get posted on XDA, as I mentioned) may need unlocked bootloader to install, so this will possibly not be an option for a while. Although there may be alternate safe ways to update (but not OTA). For instance, a leaked 1.83 firmware version is already available as an RUU in the Development subforum. Apparently, its okay to install via RUU, then re-root.
In general, the safe thing to do is to read up on here when updates are released, and see if there is a safe way to update on a rooted phone.

Starting Over after TWRP and Rooting

I installed TWRP, then rooted 10.4.2.18.
I need to start over as well, between the random app loading, gestures and stop, I think from scratch would be nice.
Can I do a factory data reset?
I have a backup from TWRP but I didn't label it very clearly and I'm not sure what it is.
It's unlocked and rooted - by doing the reset I'm assuming I'll loose it the root - am I correct?.
OK, so I asked what:
1. the wrong forum?
2. The wrong site?
3. Worded it wrong?
4. Too noob?
I could go on. Over a 100 people looked and NO-one can even point me to the right place if it's been answered before, or have an answer!?
RBraverman said:
OK, so I asked what:
1. the wrong forum?
2. The wrong site?
3. Worded it wrong?
4. Too noob?
I could go on. Over a 100 people looked and NO-one can even point me to the right place if it's been answered before, or have an answer!?
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You can try factory data reset from settings app if you like. It is a variable on what you will loose and gain. It is a good place to start. Don't do wipe from the bootloader menu or wipes formats from twrp.
Note: Some wipes and formats can be used in twrp in the case where you will flash a rom after, when flashing stock it seldom helps.
Note: Twrp allows you to choose the name for your backup
You can also flash any of the asus stock firmware but you will have stock recovery (instead of twrp), probably loose root, and all of your apps and data.
My choice for best asus stock firmware is 10.4.2.18. It is not best for everyone but I like it.
Good Luck!
Sorry I didn't notice your post. For everyone else I'm sure they didn't wish to deliver such iffy information.
For future reference, a factory reset will take your ROM back to the point of a fresh install. You will lose all data that has been added since first flashing your ROM. If you were running a custom rooted ROM then you will not lose root. If you go back and flash a non-rooted ROM then you WILL lose root.
If you have data that you need to keep, I recommend using an app like Titanium Backup. Go in and choose to do a batch backup up all your apps. Once you have done a factory reset, you can sign back into Google Play and download Titanium. You can then go in and restore the apps you want. I don't recommend installing all of those apps with their data. Titanium gives you multiple options on how and what you want to restore. Only install the individual app data that you must to have. Usually, I'll restore all of my apps with no data at all. I will then go back in and individually restore the app data that I need.
If changing a ROM, restoring app data for all of your apps can have adverse side effects. That is why I say to only install what you need. Hope this helps. :good:
the best way to start from scratch is do a factory reset then use fastboot to upgrade you're firmware
tobdaryl said:
You can try factory data reset from settings app if you like. It is a variable on what you will loose and gain. It is a good place to start.
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That's what I wanted to know - and do - but I wasn't sure what was replaced when I loaded twrp.
tobdaryl said:
Don't do wipe from the bootloader menu or wipes formats from twrp.
Note: Some wipes and formats can be used in twrp in the case where you will flash a rom after, when flashing stock it seldom helps.
Note: Twrp allows you to choose the name for your backup
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I did label them, I backed it up - I think - right after I installed twrp and rooted it, ( I usually do ) but I'm not 100% sure so I didn't want to try and screw it up.
tobdaryl said:
You can also flash any of the asus stock firmware but you will have stock recovery (instead of twrp), probably loose root, and all of your apps and data.
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I'm generally not too concerned about loosing stuff, as long as I know WHAT I lost, so I can replace.
tobdaryl said:
My choice for best asus stock firmware is 10.4.2.18. It is not best for everyone but I like it.
Good Luck!
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Checked and that's what I'm on and so far happy with it.
I un-installed a ton of apps, while I was waiting for an answer, and the thing doesn't seem possessed any more, so I'm adding them back in one at a time giving each 2-3 days.
tobdaryl said:
Sorry I didn't notice your post. For everyone else I'm sure they didn't wish to deliver such iffy information.
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ABSOLUTELY no reason for an appology. I'd done a search and not come up with anything I could use, and couldn't believe no-one had done this before.
Everything sounds good.
I need to give you one piece of info.
The only thing flashing twrp replaces is stock recovery. Everything else remains the same.
Good Luck!
tobdaryl said:
Everything sounds good.
I need to give you one piece of info.
The only thing flashing twrp replaces is stock recovery. Everything else remains the same.
Good Luck!
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BUT when you do a data backup and reset, doesn't the system draw FROM the "stock" recovery?
RBraverman said:
BUT when you do a data backup and reset, doesn't the system draw FROM the "stock" recovery?
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If you are talking about backup with twrp, by default system, emmc, and data are backed up.
Reset erases user apps and data; all basic data would need to be entered as if you had just purchased the unit.
tobdaryl said:
If you are talking about backup with twrp, by default system, emmc, and data are backed up.
Reset erases user apps and data; all basic data would need to be entered as if you had just purchased the unit.
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OH! I was under the impression that it read an image from to the boot parition/recovery partition and wrote that. NOW I get it.
THANK you.
Last question - If I do this (installed es file manager last night and the bloody thing wild), is root.signed.zip still good for rooting this? It's unlocked and 10.4.2.18.
RBraverman said:
OH! I was under the impression that it read an image from to the boot parition/recovery partition and wrote that. NOW I get it.
THANK you.
Last question - If I do this (installed es file manager last night and the bloody thing wild), is root.signed.zip still good for rooting this? It's unlocked and 10.4.2.18.
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I use es file manager for working with both sdcards. I have used it since I received this tablet and find it very useful. Maybe uninstall and reinstall. For a root browser I use rom toolbox pro.
I have not used root.signed.zip but downloading and looking at the installation I don't find a problem. I'd say try it.
wetbiker7 said:
For future reference, a factory reset will take your ROM back to the point of a fresh install. You will lose all data that has been added since first flashing your ROM. If you were running a custom rooted ROM then you will not lose root. If you go back and flash a non-rooted ROM then you WILL lose root.
If you have data that you need to keep, I recommend using an app like Titanium Backup. Go in and choose to do a batch backup up all your apps. Once you have done a factory reset, you can sign back into Google Play and download Titanium. You can then go in and restore the apps you want. I don't recommend installing all of those apps with their data. Titanium gives you multiple options on how and what you want to restore. Only install the individual app data that you must to have. Usually, I'll restore all of my apps with no data at all. I will then go back in and individually restore the app data that I need.
If changing a ROM, restoring app data for all of your apps can have adverse side effects. That is why I say to only install what you need. Hope this helps. :good:
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Just saw your post - don't know where I went ...
I do not have a custom ROM, so what you are saying is no matter how I start over, I'm going to have to re-install TWRP, re-root it and ad apps - correct? It seems to me that settings|backup and reset, I'll leave TWRP intact just reset.
OK, I'm somewhat screwed I think - if anyone's out there (sorry pretty frustrated), I cleaned the D-Cache and the cahe, better but not good. Then a settings|reset and the from within the OS and the same problem does what it wants when it wants, opens programs (usually google voice), pops up the window to set wallpaper, freezes etc. Then I restored a backup from early January from WITHIN TWRP, and cleaned the caches - same. Restored another and cleaned same. I have cleaned the system, as I cannot see/figure out which clean rom custom I can use on this, as I think that might be my only hope. Other than tossing in the junk pile as it's unusable like this.
Whatever is going on is IN the system, which leads me to a custom rom as my only possible salvation - (think I just said that, hum).
Any ideas?

[Q] Dual, Tri, or Quad-Boot?

I'd like to quad-boot my Nexus 5 with Android, Ubuntu Touch, Sailfish, and Firefox OS. Can this be done? I would also happily settle for tri-boot or dual-boot. What is the best way to go about this? My phone is not rooted (yet).
Multirom, probably
Thanks, I've been researching this all morning and I've come up with a couple problems.
There doesn't seem to be a way to do a full backup of the stock phone. A Nandroid backup would be perfect but in order to do that, custom recovery must be installed which requires unlocking the bootloader which wipes the phone. One of MultiROM's features is "Boot from USB drive attached via OTG cable". Can I do that and leave the phone's internal memory 100% untouched so I don't have to unlock the bootloader and wipe the phone?
It sounds like MultiROM itself requires custom recovery so I won't be able to receive OTA updates for an Android booted from MultiROM. Does that mean I will have to wipe Android each time I want to update it?
I don't think there would be any need to root the phone in order to set up and use MultiROM, correct?
You do have to unlock bootloader.
Think you are trying to run before you can walk. With 4 roms where would you store apps as well for them all. Most of those have little support anyway
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Aren't apps written to the ROM are you're using the OS like the rest of the user data?
Lack of support is OK.
Can I leave the phone's memory untouched and install MultiROM on a USB stick? I would think custom recovery would be required in order to boot from USB which would require unlocking the bootloader which wipes the phone.
You do have to unlock your boot loader and root your device for multirom to work,
Just back up your data and restore it after you finish the process.
I currently have an N5 with multirom installed and can boot
4.4.4
Dirty Unicorns 5.1.1
Pure White 5.1.1
Ubuntu Touch
FirefoxOS
The storage space is shared on android roms so you can view your file downloads, music and videos. You can view on Ubuntu Touch
The apps are separated by the Roms, so you can install the same app on each rom with different settings.
I have a 32 GB N5 with 580 songs, Copilot GPS app + data on the 4.4.4 rom, and a 2 TWRP backups (one for original 4.4.4 and one for the multirom) I still have 7.96 GB left of storage
qnc, the problem is there is no way to do a full backup without first unlocking the bootloader which wipes the phone. There are various backup techniques available but none of them restore your phone exactly as it was like a NANdroid backup/restore does.
Android shouldn't need to be rooted in order to install MultiROM. That can be done from the command line with the phone connected to a computer via USB.
Have you tried Sailfish OS? That's the one I'm most excited about due to their Android app compatibility layer.
xdadevelopersrocks said:
qnc, the problem is there is no way to do a full backup without first unlocking the bootloader which wipes the phone. There are various backup techniques available but none of them restore your phone exactly as it was like a NANdroid backup/restore does.
Android shouldn't need to be rooted in order to install MultiROM. That can be done from the command line with the phone connected to a computer via USB.
Have you tried Sailfish OS? That's the one I'm most excited about due to their Android app compatibility layer.
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Ahh understood. I missed the full backup.
I only worry about SMS/MMS backups and pictures. I don't worry about app data.
Question what data would be lost if a full backup is not done?
I have not tried Sailfish OS, I will look into it to see what it is.
qnc said:
Question what data would be lost if a full backup is not done?
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Google Authenticator stuff for one thing. But in general the point of a full backup for me is I don't have to think about it and I won't be surprised after the restore.
qnc said:
I have not tried Sailfish OS, I will look into it to see what it is.
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It's created by the former Nokia OS team in Finland. You can actually run Android apps inside the OS.
xdadevelopersrocks said:
Google Authenticator stuff for one thing. But in general the point of a full backup for me is I don't have to think about it and I won't be surprised after the restore.
It's created by the former Nokia OS team in Finland. You can actually run Android apps inside the OS.
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I see, I don't use Authenticator much, if at all.
I'm guessing that I probably don't since I don't worry about it. I change ROMs on my phone so much it would probably be a hassle for me.
Sailfish OS sounds very cool I will look at it and flash later today.
qnc said:
I see, I don't use Authenticator much, if at all.
I'm guessing that I probably don't since I don't worry about it. I change ROMs on my phone so much it would probably be a hassle for me.
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So when you want to update a stock Android install, you have to backup/restore since you're using third-party recovery/bootloader?
Please let me know how you like Sailfish if you get a chance.
no i dont have to back up and restore for upgrade
since i upgrade manually i just flash everything except userdata image. i get the upgrade without deleting data.
also i flashed sailfish OS. it is really smoorh.
gestures are killing ubuntu.
im posting in sailfish right now.
Nice, my Nexus 5 shows up today (right after the 5 o'clock free crack giveaway) so I'll be dialing in MultiROM over the weekend.
So you keep your userdata on a separate image? How do you do that?
xdadevelopersrocks said:
Nice, my Nexus 5 shows up today (right after the 5 o'clock free crack giveaway) so I'll be dialing in MultiROM over the weekend.
So you keep your userdata on a separate image? How do you do that?
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It is just a matter of flashing each image individually.
I'm on my phone so I can't find the link, but there are directions on how to update while saving user data.
You just flash bootloader, recovery, system, boot, radio images and do not flash userdata image.
You systems is upgraded and you keep you user data and apps.
You then must root and ad back custom recovery, but thstcis pretty simple.
There are directions on XDA I just can't find link on my phone right now.

how to update without losing data.

hi, i am new to the samsung phones, i rooted my device. is there any way to update the firmware without losing any data and apps ?? currently i am at G955FXXU1AQDG indian rom and a new update G955FXXU1AQE5 is available. i downloaded that rom from sam-mobile. can someone tell me how to do it
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hi, i am new to the samsung phones, i rooted my device. is there any way to update the firmware without losing any data and apps ?? currently i am at G955FXXU1AQDG indian rom and a new update G955FXXU1AQE5 is available. i downloaded that rom from sam-mobile. can someone tell me how to do it
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AFAIK you can't. A rooted phone can't accept the OTA. You would need to Odin the stock firmware, update and then root again.
ggrant3876 said:
AFAIK you can't. A rooted phone can't accept the OTA. You would need to Odin the stock firmware, update and then root again.
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its a long process:crying:
online22naveen said:
hi, i am new to the samsung phones, i rooted my device. is there any way to update the firmware without losing any data and apps ?? currently i am at G955FXXU1AQDG indian rom and a new update G955FXXU1AQE5 is available. i downloaded that rom from sam-mobile. can someone tell me how to do it
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If you want to stick with the rooted stock ROM, my suggestion would be to backup your phone to the Samsung Cloud, then Odin the new ROM, then restore from the Samsung Cloud. You will get most of your stuff back, including screen layouts, widgets and apps.
If you use one of the fine ROMs by one of the XDA developers - they eventually usually come up with new versions that include the lastest bases, and many times, not every time, you can dirty flash it over your existing ROM and not have to restore much if anything. Of course, your experience may be different so make a nanroid backup via TWRP first.
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If you want to stick with the rooted stock ROM, my suggestion would be to backup your phone to the Samsung Cloud, then Odin the new ROM, then restore from the Samsung Cloud. You will get most of your stuff back, including screen layouts, widgets and apps.
If you use one of the fine ROMs by one of the XDA developers - they eventually usually come up with new versions that include the lastest bases, and many times, not every time, you can dirty flash it over your existing ROM and not have to restore much if anything. Of course, your experience may be different so make a nanroid backup via TWRP first.
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thanks for the help, i will stick to the stock rom and restore apps from titanium would be better i guess.
I updated my rooted S8+ by making a nandroid backup with TWRP first and then flashing the updated ROM (which will totally wipe your device and remove root).
After that I flashed the TWRP recovery again, formatted through TWRP, and then flashed no verity/Magisk etc. I booted into the system normally once just to be on the safe side and check that everything was looking good.
Lastly, I went back to TWRP and used my nandroid backup and the restore function to bring back just the Data partition and my phone was completely restored. All apps, settings, wallpapers, text messages etc etc where restored with 0 issues exactly how I left them.
Keep in mind that the data partition will not back up user data on the internal memory like pictures, videos and some downloads. You'll want to copy the contents of your internal memory to a PC or external memory and then copy them back and merge them with the new folders at the end. :good:
xeathpk said:
I updated my rooted S8+ by making a nandroid backup with TWRP first and then flashing the updated ROM (which will totally wipe your device and remove root).
After that I flashed the TWRP recovery again, formatted through TWRP, and then flashed no verity/Magisk etc. I booted into the system normally once just to be on the safe side and check that everything was looking good.
Lastly, I went back to TWRP and used my nandroid backup and the restore function to bring back just the Data partition and my phone was completely restored. All apps, settings, wallpapers, text messages etc etc where restored with 0 issues exactly how I left them.
Keep in mind that the data partition will not back up user data on the internal memory like pictures, videos and some downloads. You'll want to copy the contents of your internal memory to a PC or external memory and then copy them back and merge them with the new folders at the end. :good:
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thanks for help...i will do the same.

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