Why does Android 5.0+ break battery savers? - General Questions and Answers

Hi,
I have tried Googling the 'issue' but can't find a good article. Anyway again, why does android lollipop/marshmallow not allow third party apps to control mobile data? I just don't see why Google would do that, it kills pretty much every battery saver, and lets be honest mobile data uses a lot more battery than wifi. It just seems clumsy but surely there must be a good reason? :silly:

ShinOrochiX said:
Hi,
I have tried Googling the 'issue' but can't find a good article. Anyway again, why does android lollipop/marshmallow not allow third party apps to control mobile data? I just don't see why Google would do that, it kills pretty much every battery saver, and lets be honest mobile data uses a lot more battery than wifi. It just seems clumsy but surely there must be a good reason? :silly:
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i wasnt aware they did, on L at least. i used to use green power a lot before because i was in poor signal area at work. i always ran a non stock rom before, so maybe thats why it worked.

bweN diorD said:
i wasnt aware they did, on L at least. i used to use green power a lot before because i was in poor signal area at work. i always ran a non stock rom before, so maybe thats why it worked.
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Yea I used to use GreenPower on JB, it was hands down the best battery saver! But now you need root to manage mobile data, I prefer not to root my device for now (I know it sounds mad, especially on a dev forum).

ShinOrochiX said:
Yea I used to use GreenPower on JB, it was hands down the best battery saver! But now you need root to manage mobile data, I prefer not to root my device for now (I know it sounds mad, especially on a dev forum).
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lol yea, that could be it too, im always rooted

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Did they ever fix JD for the Charge?

I remember a few months ago we heard the Juice Defender team say that they were going to add support for the Charge but I haven't heard anything about it since. Is our device supported yet? I can't seem to find a definitive answer on Google or the XDA search engine.
I'm only curious because I've been hearing people on XDA/Rootz say that they were using JD which leads me to believe it's working.
blarrick said:
I remember a few months ago we heard the Juice Defender team say that they were going to add support for the Charge but I haven't heard anything about it since. Is our device supported yet? I can't seem to find a definitive answer on Google or the XDA search engine.
I'm only curious because I've been hearing people on XDA/Rootz say that they were using JD which leads me to believe it's working.
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I'm using JD and it's working fine.
buhohitr said:
I'm using JD and it's working fine.
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It doesn't cut out your data or anything? No issues with getting certain settings that toggle data to work?
blarrick said:
It doesn't cut out your data or anything? No issues with getting certain settings that toggle data to work?
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I set on aggressive and everthing is working fine. I used facebook a lot and no connectivity issue or any others. You can download the free version and try out.
buhohitr said:
I set on aggressive and everthing is working fine. I used facebook a lot and no connectivity issue or any others. You can download the free version and try out.
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Tested it out and JD seems to be working. Awesome!
i personally use balanced mode so it doesnt interfere too much with the system process
The issue was a bug with the implementation of Froyo on the phone, not with JD. Gingerbread fixed the issue (and did so from the very first leaks).
when i was using it, it mainly worked, but i ended up uninstalling it because a lot of the time my data wouldnt come back and id have to toggle data and that became a real annoyance.
cnoevl21 said:
when i was using it, it mainly worked, but i ended up uninstalling it because a lot of the time my data wouldnt come back and id have to toggle data and that became a real annoyance.
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That was a Froyo issue. It's never been a problem in GB.

Before I buy this for my friends Upgrade, I need to ask a couple questions.

A. Does this phone support "Per contact" ringtones like the Galaxy S3 does? If so, can you choose what file you want as your ringtone?
B. Average battery life?
C. If the default camera app is not to her liking, what would be a good alternative?
A. I think every Android device supports this... I would hope!
B. Average. Stock ROM is better battery-wise than aftermarket.
C. Dunno, sorry. Stock camera app works great for me.
arrrghhh said:
A. I think every Android device supports this... I would hope!
B. Average. Stock ROM is better battery-wise than aftermarket.
C. Dunno, sorry. Stock camera app works great for me.
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Oh, someone with one of these PMed me a sec ago with answer A.
I also need to know if she can charge and use data on her phone at the same time. I know some phones wont charge if they're connected via usb and you're transfering data and stuff. It seems like a pretty solid phone.
Purple Ferret said:
Oh, someone with one of these PMed me a sec ago with answer A.
I also need to know if she can charge and use data on her phone at the same time. I know some phones wont charge if they're connected via usb and you're transfering data and stuff. It seems like a pretty solid phone.
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Yea, answer A is pretty standard. Eek.
Transferring data and charging works fine here.
arrrghhh said:
A. I think every Android device supports this... I would hope!
B. Average. Stock ROM is better battery-wise than aftermarket.
C. Dunno, sorry. Stock camera app works great for me.
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arrrghhh said:
Yea, answer A is pretty standard. Eek.
Transferring data and charging works fine here.
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Alright, thats all I need to know. It seems like the MMS is the Stock MMS from AOSP or something, but I could be wrong. I dont really think she'll really mind one way or the other.

Does always having "Toolbox" feature on drain battery?

Does anyone else keep the Toolbox feature on at all times and do you notice a battery drain? TIA!
Anyone?
Joe0113 said:
Does anyone else keep the Toolbox feature on at all times and do you notice a battery drain? TIA!
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I keep it on all the time and I'm getting superb battery life on stock rooted rom, using Greenify although I was getting great battery life with Toolbox on before I rooted.
Ramer84015 said:
I keep it on all the time and I'm getting superb battery life on stock rooted rom, using Greenify although I was getting great battery life with Toolbox on before I rooted.
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Thanks man, so you literally keep Toolbox on 24/7 no matter what?
Anyone else too?! :good:
It doesn't matter. The service is always running regardless so leaving the toggle on versus leaving the toggle off is simply a matter of whether you'd like to see it off or not.
CNexus said:
It doesn't matter. The service is always running regardless so leaving the toggle on versus leaving the toggle off is simply a matter of whether you'd like to see it off or not.
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Do you know the service name so I can hibernate it?
Joe0113 said:
Do you know the service name so I can hibernate it?
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tw_toolbox
I also used Greenify, its the best battery saving app on the market, if you get the donated version it has some experimental features that can work on system apps, but I wouldn't messed with that to much on SGS5, they work perfectly on my Nexus 5, I would get easily 16 hrs used on my Nexus with Greenify and Xposed Framework working hand in hand. I Greenfiy every app thats in my toolbox, and when I used the app it comes out of hibernation and after words it goes back into hibernation, similar to freezing a app on Titianuim backup.
I've just spent two days on twice factory resetting then reinstalling 100+ apps on my Samsung tab to try to stop the "security storage" process pegging at about 20% whenever the screen is on, and finally I realised that having the "toolbox" switched on is the culprit. Just turning it off in the settings makes "security storage" go down from 20% to about 2%, and that makes a clear difference to battery life. Just reporting in this old thread for google to find to help others.

Greenify

Anyone using it with the s6? Kinda curious if it does any good without root
speedfreak228 said:
Anyone using it with the s6? Kinda curious if it does any good without root
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I'm using it. Works well, but I'm not sure if it's saving battery.
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speedfreak228 said:
Anyone using it with the s6? Kinda curious if it does any good without root
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I use the paid version that enables the experimental features and it seems to work good.
speedfreak228 said:
Anyone using it with the s6? Kinda curious if it does any good without root
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My battery life sucks with it and without it so I don't think it helps at all. I think the only way battery life is going to get better is if we get this thing rooted.
Does greenify turn your screen on while it's in your pocket? It kept doing that on my droid turbo
speedfreak228 said:
Does greenify turn your screen on while it's in your pocket? It kept doing that on my droid turbo
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Not that I'm aware of. That might have been something to do with the active display on the Turbo.
Ok in going to try greenify. I think my battery drain is coming from using my moto 360
I used it for a week while I had my S6, and I didn't notice any difference in battery life, although it did hibernate apps. Without root or xposed it's uses are much more limited, but I had it setup with Nova Launcher so when I double tapped on the home screen it ran the "hibernate and lock screen" action. Otherwise, you have to manually press hibernate since it can't do it automatically without root.
geoff5093 said:
I used it for a week while I had my S6, and I didn't notice any difference in battery life, although it did hibernate apps. Without root or xposed it's uses are much more limited, but I had it setup with Nova Launcher so when I double tapped on the home screen it ran the "hibernate and lock screen" action. Otherwise, you have to manually press hibernate since it can't do it automatically without root.
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exact same setup here. seems to have helped reduce the amount of background apps. it will be nice when we get root and it is all automated. I may actually keep the double tap to turn off the screen though...i have kind of gotten used to it!!
stanfna said:
exact same setup here. seems to have helped reduce the amount of background apps. it will be nice when we get root and it is all automated. I may actually keep the double tap to turn off the screen though...i have kind of gotten used to it!!
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I have mine set up the same way. Seems like it helped my battery life.

Any root method ?

Hello, anyone know how to root?
I'm also interested
Great phone btw...best design ever, better then the iphone 6!
Tobiasbiegger said:
I'm also interested
Great phone btw...best design ever, better then the iphone 6!
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OT: yes very good design the Lime Gold
Tried Kingroot, it didn't work.
By the way, the more people run Kingroot from an Xperia XA, the more they'll try to find a root strategy (it says so on the app, and they're obviously keeping track, so far 114 have tried from the Xperia F3116).
evilRafael said:
Tried Kingroot, it didn't work.
By the way, the more people run Kingroot from an Xperia XA, the more they'll try to find a root strategy (it says so on the app, and they're obviously keeping track, so far 114 have tried from the Xperia F3116).
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If the x range uses drm-verity which I think all late 2015 onwards Xperia devices onwards do now then it'll be like the z5 range root on unlocked Bootloader only I think. If this is the only way to get root if it'll be even possible on the xa and other x devices looks like I'm going back to stock when i get mine, my M2 is rooted and heavily modified always has been but I refuse to use kingroot.
aidy.lucas said:
If the x range uses drm-verity which I think all late 2015 onwards Xperia devices onwards do now then it'll be like the z5 range root on unlocked Bootloader only I think. If this is the only way to get root if it'll be even possible on the xa and other x devices looks like I'm going back to stock when i get mine, my M2 is rooted and heavily modified always has been but I refuse to use kingroot.
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Kingroot can be removed and replaced by SuperSU you know, after rooting. At least that's what I did on Xperia Z3 Compact. I never left stock by the way, and kept bootloader intact. Now it remains to be seen if Kingroot or anyone will ever be able to root the XA safely at all.
Tobiasbiegger said:
I'm also interested
Great phone btw...best design ever, better then the iphone 6!
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+1
I want to know too! I need to figure out a way to fix the abysmal battery life of this thing.
urgannagru said:
I want to know too! I need to figure out a way to fix the abysmal battery life of this thing.
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why want root for battery ? flash the new update to see what if the battery its fixed...
the problem for me its when bluetooth is On ...if i turn off no battery drain problem ...
leap_ahead said:
why want root for battery ? flash the new update to see what if the battery its fixed...
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It isn't. Not even a little.
urgannagru said:
It isn't. Not even a little.
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Yes it is according to some the wifi bug has been fixed some are getting 4hrs sot time with ease Bluetooth may have the same problem according to some also depends on how the device is set up try doing either a factory reset or software repair via Sony pcc you need to start with the latest firmware on a totally clean install. Root is probably gonna be a while as someone needs to build kernel+recovery if drm-verity is in use it'll be unlocked Bootloader root only x range not supported by kingroot either for now
aidy.lucas said:
Yes it is according to some the wifi bug has been fixed some are getting 4hrs sot time with ease Bluetooth may have the same problem according to some also depends on how the device is set up try doing either a factory reset or software repair via Sony pcc you need to start with the latest firmware on a totally clean install.
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And I'm telling you that didn't fix my problem. I realize now that my use of it was ambiguous. The problem was not remedied by the software update which they provided is what I should have said.
urgannagru said:
And I'm telling you that didn't fix my problem. I realize now that my use of it was ambiguous. The problem was not remedied by the software update which they provided is what I should have said.
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Have you even tried any of the above and gave it time to settle down and go through a few cycles. Try posting on the xa Sony support forum the problems/bugs in the thread they have going on, they were quick enough to fix the wifi bug and the more people that report back there with the problems the faster they'll get it sorted.
aidy.lucas said:
Have you even tried any of the above and gave it time to settle down and go through a few cycles.
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Yes. As I said, it did not work. I tried it. A few cycles at this point means 1 day.
urgannagru said:
Yes. As I said, it did not work. I tried it. A few cycles at this point means 1 day.
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That I find very hard to believe only trying to help guess you've just come to moan I'll save my knowledge and help for someone who wants it without a attitude
I do appreciate the attempts at help. I didn't come to moan, I came to ask for a root, which as you and others pointed out isn't ready yet. You're welcome to believe what you want about the power issue.
urgannagru said:
I do appreciate the attempts at help. I didn't come to moan, I came to ask for a root, which as you and others pointed out isn't ready yet. You're welcome to believe what you want about the power issue.
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Sorry but plenty of people are far too quick to just come on here like we all know the answers to everything and thinking they know better you'd be surprised how many people will swear they have tried everything, I know from personal experience that a factory reset and or a software repair/ftf flash via flashtool wiping the phone can do, most people try and do it without totally wiping the data it can also take upto a week for a device to settle down after updates ect. Sony know about the major bugs and are working on fixes that I know and sony are better than most other oem's regarding updates and device su, root will take a little while I think it is just to new yet try getting other x/xa owners emailing kingroot support for device support not that I'd use it myself, i hope I can help move things on a bit when I get mine next week
On the plus side it's supposedly really easy to unlock the bootloader (it's a setting in the developer options)
urgannagru said:
On the plus side it's supposedly really easy to unlock the bootloader (it's a setting in the developer options)
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No that only makes it possible to unlock the bootloader you still have to do it manually after that. Should not be that much work though.

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