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our HTCs has long been able to do things like weather... maps.. etc
why is N97 so hyped?
because its made by the biggest phone maker inthe world
and a lot of nokia user dont like to switch hanset brands
which means theyll have not had this amount of features
be nice to them though
they dont dont know there better phones
N97
The N97 is Nokias newest N series device.
N series is VERY famous for all in one smartphones that actually kick the crap out of all HTC's efforts.
lol sounds unbelievable doesnt it......Nokia....smartphone....cant be in the same sentance!
I had an N95 and I now own an N95 8GB. The N95 was my introduction into the symbian world.
Simple facts for you guys:
The n95 n85 all the old N series devices run S60 V3 operating system. After first round of updates etc this has been my favorite OS yet. Very stable very fast, very capable of multitasking - No touch screen on s60 V3. They run OMAP 2420's etc just like windows mobile. Oh but Nokia didnt feck us like HTC did without giving us proper drivers.
I play quake 3 arena full GL on my N95 - flawlessly connected to bluetooth mouse and keyboard and TV out.
Most N series phones have up to 5 MPXL Carl Ziess Camera's which are arguably the best in their range out of all manufacturers. My N95 is fully capable of recording VGA vids at 30 FPS.
All the N series devices have full in line remote controls for Audio playback (play pause stop rewind fstforward answer volume etc)
The N series devices have all been hacked at and all system files are accesible for enterprising users. (freeloaders rejoice - yes!)
The built in web browser supports flash video out of the box, its fast and works well.
Built in music player is flawless..
Most major apps have been ported to S60 V3.
- Coreplayer with support for my GPU on my N95? Yes!
- Mobipocket for ebooks! Yes
- Opera mini? Yes
Its rare that I find things that work on smaller windows mobile devices but not on S60 V5.
So, the old N series devices have a huge following. The N86 with its 8mpxl 128 ram and tiny form factor is probably the best mini smartphone in the world in terms of raw power - multimedia capability and functionality....
I was waiting for the N97 thinking that it would push the envelope further.
The N97 runs S60 V5 which is now part of the symbian foundation and has gone open source. This means its very cheap for users to make apps for it.
The main difference is that users cant develop app and send it round for people to install......just like the err SDK certs was on older windows mobile - you couldnt install somehting unless it was signed! It is posisble to sign apps for your own device but you have to spend 10 mins researching. Easy really.
So this N97 has S60 V5 which is a touch smartphone OS based upon all that Symbian has learned throughout S60 V1 V2 V3 and UIQ....
So when I found out that the N97 was running the SAME CHIPSET! OMAP 2420 with a faster processor and NO DEDICATED 3D chip!!! I WAS SHOCKED!!
In some ways it seems like its a step back from previous gen with the Power VR chips.....
So after investigation I found that the Samsung i8910 Onmia HD actually is the REAL world evolution of the N95. It is running OMAP 3 not 2 and has a FULL power VR SGX chip (same chip as IPony 3 G S. Which might be a pale comparision of the OMnia HD - I have not played with one yet....
The omnia HD also runs S60 V5 (same as Nokia 5800 and N97)
I think this OS is going to be a very very big contender over the next year.
The main selling point of the N97 is that it has full functionality out of the Box.
It comes with proper facebook support and social networking apps that all sit on the home page. All easy to access and very swish...
It has proper keyboard and all the old N series reasons to keep - Carl ziess optics with a proper camera......proper music player with inline remote.
Its also not bloated OS so will have plenty of multimedia power....
If someone seriously offered me a touch pro 2 or a N97 the N97 would be first choice. Why would I want a nice phone, nice screen substandard MP3 player some stupid adapter - no 3.5 jack. No decent camera....mutimedia playback which is less powerfull than my old i900 omnia......
Then on top of that, using HelloX you crack the N97 and customise to your hearts desire. Download install what you want, rip it chop it hack it.......
2 years ago I would laugh at someone telling me that they would get a Nokia over HTC. I would say - yeah go get a expensive brick that cant do anything.....
Now days the simple facts - 3.5 jack, similar fully customisable OS and installable apps, proper camera.....all sell it to me. Gotta be slightly blind to think Nokia dont deserve some kudos for their devices - even if they cocked up a bit with N96 and now potentially N97 without Omap 3 and Power VR
Palm pre and iphone 3g S and Samsung i8910 are the beasties to watch!
well said ^^^^. Though i think My old touch is more customizable. And yes palm pre, and new omnia range rocks.
yarod.. it is less laggy?? because my experience from the s60s .. n82 etc is somewhat not so good
Symbian is really similar to Windows Mobile - an OS from the dark ages.
But they've shown a lot better progress and growth since the launch of the iPhone than Windows Mobile.
yeah, I remember everybody being jealous about 7650 all these years ago. Multitasking and copy&paste. See, it took apple over 2 years to add these. I stopped to like symbian just after the new version being released (few apps, first phones were slow, etc.) So sold my 3230 and got myself Wizard.
They lost it few years ago and now catching on again, but I fell in love with these crappy htc devices, windows and that messing around :]
yarod_g14 (or anyone), Does Symbian have anything like bluetooth mono for their devices? This is what I would miss the most if I were to switch to the n97. As much as I like how the Omnia Pro sounds, I think I'll be getting a tilt screen, so that means the TP2 or the N97.
Hmmm The N97 may well be a good device but it's still missing soo much. The default browser has no copy and paste from a web page and as we speak you have the choice of opera MINI or the rather painful safari which has to be said is useless at caching pages...wait wait and wait some more and thats just to view a page you looked at not 2minutes earlier! Again as we speak, you cannot view different video formats..I certainly wouldn't pay 500pounds for a device that can't play .mpg, xvid etc ok I know coreplayer will arrive but still!! Then that all conquering n97 has a terrible office suite..show me a symbian app with even 10percent of softmakers functionality. Symbian apps are in the lightweight category. The user accessible RAM seems on the low side too. Symbian in it's current state is too closed...very little quality freeware and users cannot fix os flaws. I do dig the design though....
"I think this OS is going to be a very very big contender over the next year."
The biggest problem with Symbian when I had my N95 is that apps weren't back compat. Symbian v2 apps wouldn't work on V3 and vice-versa.
I also had the N95 and the N95 8GB. Although Symbian is OK it's not as fast and bug free as you make it out to be. The N95 constantly crashed, rebooted, gave me "sim not inserted" errors. Sometimes it lagged and was slow. This was consistant in all symbain devices I had, N70, N73, N80, N95 and N95 8GB.
To the OP. I don't know weather you're American or not but Nokia is BIG in Europe hence the hype of the N97. Nokia are THE mobile phone company to be honest. They've been around for donkeys years and introduced a whole load of concepts to the mainstream... Changeable Fascias, Cheap Colour Screens, WAP on the 3330. Also IMO they were the first company to bring a Smart Phone into the Mainstream. Before they early Nokia Symbian phones all there was was Windows Mobile and that was Business Orientated.
What are your thoughts about the new Nokia N900 that comes with the Maemo OS? It comes with a good 600 mhz processor and it has a capacitive touch screen. Maemo seems to be more stable than Windows mobile and it can also handle a native full skype client. Probably a VOIP comunication using this Nokia N900 will work much better...
The downside probably is that there are not too many applications for Maemo yet, but it is an open source OS, so it seems promising...
What are your thoughts?
It look good but I´ll stay with HTC and WM for now
Promising devices are coming!
Saludos,
I thought hard about the N900 and had it on pre order.
Somehow I ended up with an Acer neoTouch...don't know exactly what happened in between
The Acer neo touch seems good but the battery seems like too small for a 1 ghz processor...
The Nokia N900 has a 600 mhz processor but running with Maemo which looks like a lighter and faster OS. Also, the capacitive touch screen is much better for a phone when you are on the go. Plus it is a Nokia and it should be good quality.
Evolution.....?
Guys n girls, - quick addition - 99.9% sure its resistive touch screen peeps.....
My advice......
Don't overlook this beast.
This is seriously the missing link. Bare with me with my slight rant below, it is going somewhere.....
Many many of us XDA'ers never even had a snff of Nokias last generation winners, the N95 and n95 8GB as we had our heads buried in the HTC sand.
Not bad sand to be in really IMO but I was SO glad that I took the jump and got a N95 8Gb to compliment my HTC Ameo (and fit in jeans pocket...etc)
The Carl zeiss lensed camera, the music play back ability - dedicated buttons (lol a 3.5 Jack) the Power VR graphics chip (with PROPER drivers for Fs sake) and ease of use + a bevy of applications that I presumed were only on Windows mobile......
Good web browsers
core player - using the chipset....
last FM and EVERYTHING you would want made this device the best bit of kit of its generation.
The OS, s60 V3 - although not as hackable as Win mo at first was opened up by hackers.......themes, transitions, full access to all files in device. It was all there. The N95 with its OMAP 2xxxx platform and full open GL 1 support was the best device of its generation. Even now, I use it with my work sim and always stuff it in my bag....
After the N95 Nokia released the N96 which was the same hardware - minus the PowerVr chip and with TV tuner - not EU comliant, added OS extension, Nokia F8ck*d it up big time with that device. It was not an update to the n95 but a side step.
Then, S60 V5 was anounced - now being spouted as Symbian ^1
Nokia offered the 5800 and the n97 as the first devices on this platform. In the same vien however as the N96 - OMAP 2xxx platform - NO Graphic acceleration - i.e. No PowerVR chip for me and many others, this was still not a successor to N95.
Samsung one upped them with their i8910 (Omnia HD) this was running the newest TI specced platform - very suprisingly not using a samsung processor but still running the TI OMAP 3430 platform with Arm Cortex A8 and Power VR supporting Open GLEs 2.0
ooo - that got me excited, with its 720P video and capacative touch screen, I HAD to have this device. So I bought one, good kit, bad platform.
Sony have just done the same thing with their Satio, S60 V5 with Omap 3430 (and a very good camera)
But where were Nokia in this? Where was their answer? What were they doing? N97 is popular but pretty lame really. (only 128 ram!!)
Then the Meamo powered N900 was announced.
I didnt know that Nokia had released previous Linux powered Maemo devices, I definitely didnt know that this was in any way a remotely popular platfiorm but the comunities are there already and growing quickly.
Maemo as an open linux platform, seems to be the best thing for us users who are constantly looking for a mobile Win XP replacement.
I am under the impression that it will be MUCH easier for applications that have been developed for Linux to be ported over to this platform than has ever been seen on a Desktop to mobile conversion route - regardless of platform.
The N900 is running Omap 3430 - full open GL es 2.0,
There is a proper camera (thanks Nokia) and o wow, resistive touch screen - !!!
So no multitouch - but hello accuracy and handwriting recognition
The Omap 3430 and supporting chips in this device seem to outperfrom the Qualcomm Snapdragon evuivalent being used in the HTC Leo and the big Toshiba brick (Tg01) not by much really, they are both good platforms.
Now I love my Omnia HD - there isnt a better small media playback and recording device for me - not that small. It will play any 1Gb DIVX movie I throw at it and LOL - it plays Quake 3 with a bluetooth mouse and keyboard like my old P3 with a Geforce 4 in it....and the TV out is outstanding.
The issue - its not a mobile PC like my Touch pro 2 or my ameo or at a guess like the Leo or Toshiba.....
I cant use a mouse and keyboard to give me a PC experience whilst on TV - or monitor out. Task manager is wrong, there is no task bar to select things.....you have to hold the device to get the working feel of it.
I am under the impression that the n900 will bridge this gap between hand held device and PC and it will bring the niceness that is Nokia Innovation with it.
My wish would be to LOLOL, see a section opened up on XDA developers for the N900 and - the best bit would be if Nokia gave away a big bunch of devices say 1000 to the best of the best on here to get the topic all hot and steamy.
- Then I could leave my mansion and get in my porcsh next to that slag from Transformers and go to the whitehouse.
Huba huba
end of drooling rant over n900.
Maemo will not have the great support of XDA and that is a good reason for stay with WM and HTC
Just my opinion,
I have been following the development of the N900 closely for a while now, simply because it blew my mind.
Unfortunately it was postponed and now it's postponed for another three weeks in Sweden. No more waiting for me because I wont be able to fully enjoy it until the highly anticipated Xperia X10 hits the market.
I have to say I'm tempted by the N900. Up until now I was totally convinced my next device would be WinMo. Here are the pro's and con's for my usage pattern:
In my opinion what speaks for HD2:
Huge screen; fast processor; very slick looking interface; runs all the software I want, most notably the MLO outliner and backs it up on the PC,connects to my SonyEricsson BT watch (thanks moneytoo!) which displays caller id, rss feeds, sms's, mails, enables answering mails with a pre-set message with push of a button without having to take the phone out etc (some 40 or so functions run from the watch); can run Garmin XT which to me is the best GPS software out there due partly to the user community in South America updating Garmin maps almost weekly (which can be extremely valuable); the largest user community base in XDA-developers (with 1.9M members, close to 260K active members, over 4M posts in 323K threads), edits all MS Office programs
Against:
Capacitive screen, not fully flash enabled browser (?), not as good camera, no webcam, no VGA-out, only 16k colors, expensive; not as pliable and adaptable - will get older quicker than the N900, I suspect.
What speaks for the N900
The N900 obviously has way better browser/webaccess, has a frontal cam that works for chatting at least between Nxx0 units, and possibly with PC's as well (it works on the N8xx, which are older devices, but it may be blocked by the service provider on the N900, this is an unknown yet, if it does work, though it's a huge plus, to me) a better, and protected rear cam, better video filming and, possibly, playback, 32 gb of internal memory, vga out, runs Open Office; I would hope it has better phone and sound quality, but don't know;resistive screen viewable in sunlight afaik (I prefer resistive as it allows for handwriting and precision), 16M colors, ability to run Debian based software - although I have no idea whether that software will do anything useful for me, more colors on screen
Negative on the N900:
the biggest drawback is it doesn't run some key software I'm dependent on, such as a really capable outliner like MLO, enabling multiple contexts with backup on a pc, afaik [anyone with suggestions for a solution are welcome, I've looked into NoteKeeper but it's not quite there, yet]; another biggie poor GPS apps that in addition requires full on connection to work afaik - although I hear that today Nov 13, Sygic released a version for Maemo - but I would prefer Garmin for the SouthAmerican maps; I know this may seem minor to most users, but it doesn't hook up to my SonyEricsson BT watch which is a nice gadget and support to the mobile; doesn't [yet] allow editing of MS suite documents; doesn't play FLAC files; smaller screen; and although the Maemo.org user community is very helpful, it's smaller than XDA, and most of its 38000 active users seem to be hardcore Linux programmers, and I'm not sure I can speak there "language," whereas I've been hanging around XDA to understand at least hardSPL, ROMs etc.
I'm no programmer, not even really a superuser of any of these. N900 shows a lot of promise on the software side, but will it be fulfilled? It will probably improve more over time than the HD2.
An alternative would be the Acer neoTouch, as it is WinMo and has a resistive screen, but then it doesn't enjoy XDA-support (although there is a small user group on here anyway).
I have to apologize for what I said about the N900 having a capacitive screen. I am dissapointed now that I know that the N900 has a resistive screen. I find the capacitive screens better for a phone considering that these devices have to be used only with fingers and on the go, specially with just one hand only.
I see that the HD2 has a capacitive screen and comes with a native WM 6.5... Is it a tendency? I mean, Is WM 6.5 supposedly designed more for a capacitive screen instead of a resistive one? Maybe this is Microsoft's intention... Everybody says WM 6.5 is more fingers friendly, then it should come with a capacitive screen... So, maybe in the near future, all WM phones will come with 6.5+ OS and capacitive screens like the HD2 which is now the first one to start this tendency.
The N900 doesnt have a Garmin application yet, but there is one for Symbian, so maybe there will be one for Maemo in the future.
Is Maemo as hackable as WinMo is?
hgrimberg said:
I see that the HD2 has a capacitive screen and comes with a native WM 6.5... Is it a tendency? I mean, Is WM 6.5 supposedly designed more for a capacitive screen instead of a resistive one? Maybe this is Microsoft's intention... Everybody says WM 6.5 is more fingers friendly, then it should come with a capacitive screen... So, maybe in the near future, all WM phones will come with 6.5+ OS and capacitive screens like the HD2 which is now the first one to start this tendency.
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So far the HD2 is the only WM6.5 phone with a capacitive screen, I think. WM7 and onwards are likely to ship on phones with capacitive screens, but WM6.5 devices will generally still be resistive.
my next device will be the n900. its in a different league with that OS.
So if it seems that WM is moving towards the capacitive screens with WM 7 then it is silly to buy now a phone with WM 6.5 with a resistive screen that a year from now or less we all will want to switch to WM 7 and it wont be possible because of our hardware limitation... If this is the case, we will better wait for a WM phone with capacitive screen and WM 6.5 like the HD2 or one with a sliding keyboard (that doesn't exist yet).
It seems that Microsoft ended up with the conclusion that a capacitive screen with multitouch, like the iphone, is better and more practical for a phone. That is probably why they are calling their OS, Windows phone now and they are trying to move away from the idea of calling their devices a PDA...
The N900 looks very promising but I can't understand why Nokia is not aware of this tendency and comes up with a resistive screen now.
hgrimberg said:
So if it seems that WM is moving towards the capacitive screens with WM 7 then it is silly to buy now a phone with WM 6.5 with a resistive screen that a year from now or less we all will want to switch to WM 7 and it wont be possible because of our hardware limitation... If this is the case, we will better wait for a WM phone with capacitive screen and WM 6.5 like the HD2 or one with a sliding keyboard (that doesn't exist yet).
It seems that Microsoft ended up with the conclusion that a capacitive screen with multitouch, like the iphone, is better and more practical for a phone. That is probably why they are calling their OS, Windows phone now and they are trying to move away from the idea of calling their devices a PDA...
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There's no guarantee that even the HD2 will receive an official WM7 upgrade when WM7 launches. WM7 could well be a year away; and I don't think the original Touch HD got an official upgrade to 6.5. HTC isn't very interested in offering compelling upgrades for discontinued phones, they'll want you to upgrade to the HD3 instead!
Of course there will likely be an unofficial upgrade in the form of a custom ROM someone here on XDA produces; but the same may well apply to resistive-screen devices.
IMHO i hope that Nokia will release after this N900 a similar E-series device, simply because they're made better of N-series and others.
Don't you think that Maemo could be compared to Android, not as OS but as way of thought?
Hope I get myself understood and thanks to all who write very helpful informations on this forum.
P.s. I had Nokia N70 ---> HTC P3600 and then i came back to symbian with N95 8gb, only because of better phone features.
think it's nice enough that nokia goes from symbian to a linux flavour but
doubt they can make it they should have gon android and modded it like motorola droid and htc's devices
the android app store is only getting bigger and doubt nokia can get enough developers their way
It is very important to be aware that there are only 2 OS's in this world that have a native Skype client with full VOIP features. These are the Windows Mobile operating system and Maemo. Android only has Skype lite, same as Symbian and in a way, same as Blackberry with iskoot.
Why is this? Hardware limitations or just agreements between phone manufacturers and telecomunications companies?
It seems that Google also had an agreement with Skype to not develop a client for their OS to not upset the telecomunication companies... Instead, they developed Google talk that works the same way as Skype lite by calling you back and using your GSM minutes.
The Nokia N series, like the N810 Tablet is not very famous probably because the cell phone carries almost never had it as part of their offers most likely because it was the only Nokia phone that was able to handle VOIP through skype which terrifies the telecomunication companies. The Nokia N900 will probably end up the same way. It is smaller in size than the N810 but it has a Maemo OS that can handle a full skype client.
seems a lot of people dont really understand much about android or how its designed/implemented. may i help inform you by pointing you to this valuable read:
http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPu...achFile&do=get&target=Mythbusters_Android.pdf (http://www.embeddedlinuxconference.com/elc_europe09/sessions.html#Porter)
take note peeps.
orb3000 said:
Maemo will not have the great support of XDA and that is a good reason for stay with WM and HTC
Just my opinion,
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I agree. XDA is the greatest asset HTC has.
I've been hanging 'round the N900 www.maemo.org talk forum because I'm seriously considering the N900. The XDA community certainly seems to be a much more friendly place for newbies.
The attitude among some (definitely not all) of the maemo.org talk members is like "well unless you master command line then this phone is not for you." For an example, check the second comment in this thread:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35625
Their attitude results in little battles between themselves and newbies (and there will probably be a lot of newbies on that forum) in the discussion threads.
In addition as it is a developer centric community for an open platform, there's a structured work flow approach to support the open source development which newcomers have to understand.
I believe XDA is a more mature community and went through the growing pains a long time ago.
I had an n810. trust me the hype is not necessary for maemo. i am much happier with my lg incite that i ever was with my n810. also wtf is with nokia expecting me to pay for their gps software that came preloaded. also the bluetooth never worked correctly. but i have to say i really liked the build quality and the design of the outside of the n810
josefcrist said:
I had an n810. trust me the hype is not necessary for maemo. i am much happier with my lg incite that i ever was with my n810. also wtf is with nokia expecting me to pay for their gps software that came preloaded. also the bluetooth never worked correctly. but i have to say i really liked the build quality and the design of the outside of the n810
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Apart from the BT never working correctly, and paying for software, say some more about the maemo tablet user experience. They certainly seem to have their following.
I thought one of the main disadvantages of WP7 has been inferior hardware.
For the original release Microsoft only supported the old snapdragon CPU with 1Ghz and Adreno 200.
Now for Mango, they did obviously update their support
for 8X55 and 7X30.
None of those are actually dualcore SoC's.
How are they going to keep up with Android if they continue offering inferior hardware specs? Or did I miss something?
I wish they do relase one which does. but they dont need dual core for the os so why burden the battery
"inferior hardware"
wow really?
dude, 1ghz, on a phone, thats everything else but inferior
it may be the truth that andoid is goin to need dual cores to give users a good looking and fluid experience, but windows phone is not.
no matter what handset you get, its working faaaast. no lags, no hickups, almost no loading times (and with mango its getting better)
so why would windows phone need it ?
However I would really like to have dual core phone,jut like to think that I have one of the fastest phones. But its true windows os is so smooth it wont make a perfermonce differnece, only thing that can help is using NAND memory instead of SD. Howver I want a better GPU so we can play faster games with good FPS and better quality, not saying that the quality is poor atm its great but it can always improve.
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"inferior hardware"
wow really?
dude, 1ghz, on a phone, thats everything else but inferior
it may be the truth that andoid is goin to need dual cores to give users a good looking and fluid experience, but windows phone is not.
no matter what handset you get, its working faaaast. no lags, no hickups, almost no loading times (and with mango its getting better)
so why would windows phone need it ?
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the problem is it's not about "why would WP need it".
The average consumer, who is used to buying PCs based on their specs, will look at an Android phone and a WP and compare them. If they don't know the difference between the two OS then they'll be looking at the specs.
What do you think they're going to choose..?
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the problem is it's not about "why would WP need it".
The average consumer, who is used to buying PCs based on their specs, will look at an Android phone and a WP and compare them. If they don't know the difference between the two OS then they'll be looking at the specs.
What do you think they're going to choose..?
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to be frank, the average customer knows a superficial knowledge of cell phones...and many still market dumb phones as the approach for all user needs. Nokia has addressed the h/w issues ad nauseum, so it wouldn't surprise me if Nokia would be the first wp7 with a dual core. In fact, I would love to grab a Nokia phone...
i thought of your point too
its true the specs are taken in consideration
but currently im not aware of any device that stand out..
i think the average people would think
2x cores = 2x power needed = half the battery
battery is a major aspect
so still, why build a dual core if nothing is using it, besides the battery
like i said, android may be able to to make their os fast & fluid
but why cant they do it on the current specs
you simply dont need heavy processin unit on your mobile device, as long as you wont do heavy processin on the device. the phone wont need it, but the tablet does.
the average user is used to windows
the average user uses the phone for not much more then phone, text, surf, game.
last but not least, the price, i dont know much about dual core phones (do they already exists?) but double the cores, may raise the price by a lot.
this year we wont need no dual cores....
To be honest, I never really felt the need of such a powerful processor in a phone. What can you use it for apart from games with high graphics?
I'm sure opening office docs, web pages, utility apps, music...everything at once still won't slow down the processes. It's a phone guys. Not a desktop PC.
Many years ago, I had a 1.2 GHz CPU running windows XP, which in fact ran heavy programs without any lag. And today, our phones have 1GHz CPU running a phone OS and apps that hardly go above 50mb.
What's the need, seriously?
I don't care about dual core yet, but would like to see some higher end devices. All first gen releases were very generic.
Newer Gen CPU/GPU (dual core not necessary till things are coded for it)
High Quality Material/build
32GB or 64GB Internal ROM
Super AMOLED/next gen if avail
512MB RAM
Good Battery
Good Quality Optics (iPhone4 or better (like Nokia N8))
Thats all I want. Maybe a FFC just for ****s n' giggles, but thats not high on my priority list.
[email protected] said:
Now for Mango, they did obviously update their support
for 8X55 and 7X30.
None of those are actually dualcore SoC's.
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Well just like you said they have added support for new processors but neither of the new ones are dual core. We've heard rumors that ST-Ericsson will be supplying dual core chips for Nokia's Windows Phones but for now Qualcomm says they're the only WP7 manufacturer.
I don't doubt Windows Phone will see dual core support in the future. I have a feeling that Nokia won't be launching their Windows Phone alongside the others in September/October, but later in November or even December. That's when I think we'll see the first dual core Windows Phone. (Just speculation. No evidence for this.)
dtboos said:
I don't care about dual core yet, but would like to see some higher end devices. All first gen releases were very generic.
Newer Gen CPU/GPU (dual core not necessary till things are coded for it)
High Quality Material/build
32GB or 64GB Internal ROM
Super AMOLED/next gen if avail
512MB RAM
Good Battery
Good Quality Optics (iPhone4 or better (like Nokia N8))
Thats all I want. Maybe a FFC just for ****s n' giggles, but thats not high on my priority list.
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Well you just described Nokia N9 except for the screen ... only Sammy can put Super-AMOLED and the RAM is 768MB
PS. I though someone from Microsoft or Nokia I can't recall said that WP7 is already dual-core ready, so maybe it doesn't need new coding or I'm terribly wrong
kainy said:
Well you just described Nokia N9 except for the screen ... only Sammy can put Super-AMOLED and the RAM is 768MB
PS. I though someone from Microsoft or Nokia I can't recall said that WP7 is already dual-core ready, so maybe it doesn't need new coding or I'm terribly wrong
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Aye Why I know the phone I want is easily within reach. That would be more than powerful enough for the next couple years. This is also why I was excited about the Nokia deal because they have some excellent quality hardware & optics in some of their phones.
Android needs dual-core because the OS is so cluttered and filled with junk. WP7 phone have "inferior hardware" yet still run smoother than any Android phone would.
yea it should b strong
Hi all,
I wonder at buying a WP7 phone and have these two devices on mind. HTC Radar is twice as expensive as the second. But I saw the WP Bench benchmark that showed that Radar is about 35% more powerful, it scored above 80pts vs Mozart's 60pts. At this time it does not matter, but in few months for sure there will be more requiring games and applications which Mozart wolud not handle with. But this is only my opinion. Radar also has a larger battery that lasts I think a day longer without charging. I don't know what phones will be avaliable next year so I'm undecided whether I should buy Radar and use it longer or Mozart and wait for some newer phones.
Thanks for answering
If you don't want to wait for a newer phone (a.k.a one of the Nokia Lumia series), then the radar is a good choice. It is faster than the Mozart like you said and will open and run apps a bit faster. Radar does have better graphics (adreno 200 in Mozart vs adreno 205 in Radar). Mozart has 64mb more ram, but that isn't too much a difference.
However, if you like photography, I think the Mozart's camera may be a bit better with more megapixels (although doesn't necessarily mean better) and xenon flash. The xenon flash is better than the Radar's LED for low light shots.
I own the Radar, but never the Mozart. I personally really like the Radar; it looks fly!
Hope this helps.
I personally have the mozart and have been asking myself as well wihich phone to purchase,
I decided to go with the mozart since it has a higher camera rating and the xenon flash, not only that, for its price its one of the most affordable windows phone but not compromising the quality
Hello,
I've been interested in Windows Phones lately, and looking at the Nokia Lumia 900. I see that it is 1.4 Ghz one core, and 512Mb ram. Isn't that a bit slow compared to the other phones around? Like Samsung Galaxy S2 which is 1.2Ghz dual core, and 1Gb ram. Or is it because the OS of Windows Phones isn't as demanding on speed as Android? I've been an Android user and would like to know some details on Windows Phones because they look like great phones. Judging by the reviews I've seen of Nokia Lumia 900 people seem to really like it, with no complaints about speed, so I'm just curious. What do you guys think of the Nokia Lumia in general? Also is there a Windows Phone coming out anytime soon? I don't want to buy the 900 and end up seeing a new one few weeks later. I'm also thinking about getting the Galaxy S3, I'm just stuck between a Windows Phone or Android, just need these few questions answered, and I'll be on my way. Thanks guys.
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Hello,
I've been interested in Windows Phones lately, and looking at the Nokia Lumia 900. I see that it is 1.4 Ghz one core, and 512Mb ram. Isn't that a bit slow compared to the other phones around? Like Samsung Galaxy S2 which is 1.2Ghz dual core, and 1Gb ram. Or is it because the OS of Windows Phones isn't as demanding on speed as Android? I've been an Android user and would like to know some details on Windows Phones because they look like great phones. Judging by the reviews I've seen of Nokia Lumia 900 people seem to really like it, with no complaints about speed, so I'm just curious. What do you guys think of the Nokia Lumia in general? Also is there a Windows Phone coming out anytime soon? I don't want to buy the 900 and end up seeing a new one few weeks later. I'm also thinking about getting the Galaxy S3, I'm just stuck between a Windows Phone or Android, just need these few questions answered, and I'll be on my way. Thanks guys.
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Nope, I'm running Tango on mine and it's lightning fast.
To answer your questions:
1. All current Windows Phones are very fast. 2nd generation devices like the Lumia 900 are faster than the 1st generation devices, but the additional speed is not currently needed (I have a 1st gen phone, which is already very, very responsive);
2. New devices are regularly coming out, but nothing better than the Lumia 900 is currently expected. There will certainly be cool devices coming out for Windows Phone 8, but little is known about them yet;
3. A Windows Phone update (codename Tango) is rumored for June. It should be available for all Windows Phones. Windows Phone 8 is rumored for the end of the year;
Android and Windows Phone have a very different philosophy:
* Android is great for people who enjoy fine-tune (pimping) their devices;
* Windows Phone is more for people who enjoy a smartphone that just works perfectly in 95% of the situations;
* There are still some features that some people find essential missing - I would suggest that you spend a little time reading this forum to see if they affect you or not.
Personally, I own an (old) iPhone, an Android Phone and an Samsung Omnia 7. I only use the Omnia 7 as it works perfectly for me.
Hope this helps,
Stephen
There are several ways that WP7 is better performing than Android. For example, the entire UI is rendered using the GPU. Android doesn't do this - it can't, there's no guarantee that each device will have a compatible GPU - so it uses the CPU. This is why dual-core Android phones have really smooth UI compared to single-core ones, but even though WP7 is currently only on single-core phones, a first-gen 1GHz CPU WP7 device has as slick a UI as the highest-end Android phones.
With the Tango update, WP7 is optimized for a low memory footprint so it can run smoothly in devices with 256MB of RAM. The existing phones, with twice that much, use the extra RAM to keep more apps in the background so you can switch to them intantly, but even without Tango I can already usually have four or five backgrounded apps in RAM before the phone starts freeing them (by writing their state to flash and then killing the app). There's no need for a full gig yet, or soon from anything that I've seen.
WP7 is also a lot easier on the battery than Android. I can get 2-3 days, even with pretty substantial use (streaming music for hours, etc.). I get less if I play games like Civilization, but that's expected. This is better than most of friends with Android phones, even though their phones have larger battery capacities.
I have used Android for years now, and can safely say that WP7 outclasses many Android handsets in day-to-day speed and fluidity, thanks to the GPU rendering GDTD mentioned above.
Microsoft have taken a different direction with WP7 to Android - rather than throw as much power at it as they can, they tightly controlled the SoCs WP7 was built for, and reaped the benefits on what admittedly looks (on paper) like old hardware, in a similar way to what Apple do with iOS.
You will be pleasantly surprised with the performance of just about any handset. I've had a lot of time with a Dell Venue Pro built around the now 'ancient' MSM 8250 1GHz 65nm Snapdragon and 512MB RAM, and found it outperformed (to my eye) many of the Android phones I've been (un)lucky enough to play with
Windows Phone uses the resources better than all the other OS. thats a fact. the 1 Ghz and 512MB RAM is all you need. if you have luck and have 1.4Ghz on a Windows Phone its maybe better but not in that way that you see or feel it.
The illusion that other OS are spreading is that you need more than one core and bla bla, but remember the time where windows 95 or 98 runs on a 1Ghz procesor, with 256 or 512 MB RAM. Is a Mobile OS more complex than a PC OS, NO! so if windows 95 98 can run on that specs, Windows Phone OS can do it even faster and better because its bound to the hardware to use it intelligent.
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The illusion that other OS are spreading is that you need more than one core and bla bla, but remember the time where windows 95 or 98 runs on a 1Ghz procesor, with 256 or 512 MB RAM. Is a Mobile OS more complex than a PC OS, NO! so if windows 95 98 can run on that specs, Windows Phone OS can do it even faster and better because its bound to the hardware to use it intelligent.
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Just wondering why you used Windows 9x in your comparsion I have an old laptop with 1Ghz processor and 512MB of RAM and it runs Windows XP, 7 and 8 just fine. Windows 8 Consumer Preview is the fastest of all those three OSes I have on it.
That's because MS got somwhat burned by Vista and has been shifting power from the CPU to the GPU even more these days. A lot easier today with onboard GPus being a lot better.
But yes all 3 systems have a different design philosophy.
Android is usually designed from top down. I.e. tuned to work best on potential future devices which are just a bit stronger. Which means you're almost pressured to get a stronger device.
Ios is designed for the current hardware first and foremost.
And wp7 is designed from bottom up. Which pretty muhc guarantees that the experience on all devices is the same.
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Just wondering why you used Windows 9x in your comparsion I have an old laptop with 1Ghz processor and 512MB of RAM and it runs Windows XP, 7 and 8 just fine. Windows 8 Consumer Preview is the fastest of all those three OSes I have on it.
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does Windows 7 not need 1gb or RAM? but i use this as comparison because of the age to say that old hardware specs can use WP7 and be fast and smooth. there are no grapics like gradient, shine here and there, shadows, and so on that must be first rendered then stored. both uses to much power and resources. Metro is easy clean and fast because of the fact it has no shadows, gradients and so on...
Thanks for the great replies guys! I'll definitely stick around and do more research on this. Windows Phones are better than I thought they were. Very interested.
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Thanks for the great replies guys! I'll definitely stick around and do more research on this. Windows Phones are better than I thought they were. Very interested.
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good that you listened to us and say that it is better than you thought that's enough for me and ig you buy a WP7 you will never regret it
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good that you listened to us and say that it is better than you thought that's enough for me and ig you buy a WP7 you will never regret it
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Of course, I always do research myself and get some help before ever judging an OS or phone in general. And going to stick around a little longer and do more research, but at this rate, I'm eyeing a WP7 judging by what I've learned and seen. These were great answers. Helped a lot.
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Yeah I know. Like I said, these were great answers that I've noted because of the great info. But it never hurts to do more research, even if I have to buy the phone itself to try it out I will.
Papaniz said:
Hello,
I've been interested in Windows Phones lately, and looking at the Nokia Lumia 900. I see that it is 1.4 Ghz one core, and 512Mb ram. Isn't that a bit slow compared to the other phones around? Like Samsung Galaxy S2 which is 1.2Ghz dual core, and 1Gb ram. Or is it because the OS of Windows Phones isn't as demanding on speed as Android? I've been an Android user and would like to know some details on Windows Phones because they look like great phones. Judging by the reviews I've seen of Nokia Lumia 900 people seem to really like it, with no complaints about speed, so I'm just curious. What do you guys think of the Nokia Lumia in general? Also is there a Windows Phone coming out anytime soon? I don't want to buy the 900 and end up seeing a new one few weeks later. I'm also thinking about getting the Galaxy S3, I'm just stuck between a Windows Phone or Android, just need these few questions answered, and I'll be on my way. Thanks guys.
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nop.. WP is way lighter and hardware optimized than android..
From what i understand the reason why windows phone and iOS run so much smoother then android is the fact they drop priority of other process to ensure that the UI runs smoothly. So when most people talk about lag in android they are talking about UI lag, this is not to say that the application do not lag also because of inefficient or the stablity of the android code.
I personaly use windows phone and prior to that i was using android and i can say for sure that windows phone pretty much never lags. Microsoft has done a really good job, if only others would recognise this fact.
Papaniz said:
Thanks for the great replies guys! I'll definitely stick around and do more research on this. Windows Phones are better than I thought they were. Very interested.
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let me correct that for you
"Windows phones are better than I had been misled to believe"
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From what i understand the reason why windows phone and iOS run so much smoother then android is the fact they drop priority of other process to ensure that the UI runs smoothly. So when most people talk about lag in android they are talking about UI lag, this is not to say that the application do not lag also because of inefficient or the stablity of the android code.
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Not completly true to be technical correct. WP7 has no true multitasking which is bad in some ways but is a great way to improve performance. Devs on WP7 can't ruin your experience with bad porgrammed apps consuming to much CPU time in the background (and that's the problem on android). Instead of just letting them do what they want, WP7 is able to optimize the background tasks resulting in almost no lag...
In addition, OEMs on Android are allowed to do whatever they want and well, we all know that they're not always careful developers...
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let me correct that for you
"Windows phones are better than I had been misled to believe"
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Haha. Oh I've never been misled to believe anything. I've owned two iOS devices (Which I did not enjoy), and have been using Android for a while now, I love Android to be quite honest. The thing is I've never done research on WP7, well because I never gave it a shot, not because I "Hated" it for no apparent reason . They are really good phones, and amazing features such as the City Lens for Nokia. I'm still listening and noting down any other things users have to say as well as research of my own.
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The thing is I've never done research on WP7, well because I never gave it a shot, not because I "Hated" it for no apparent reason .
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Then the force is strong with you! Most folk ive seen that have either not liked it or assumed they wont like it have been effected by the dark side, aka Android users on the internet with a chip on their shoulders
WP is Decent.
I am new to this site ,
I have to say 512 RAM and 1.4 Ghz Processor isn't bad at all to be honest.
Infact i think , for "normal" usage , 256 MB RAM is more than enough (again , this depends on OS u use)
I currently have 5800 xpress music phone (nokia) and an iPod Touch 4G , it has 256 MB RAM and like 800 Mhz Processor (same specs as iPad but iPhone 4 has 512 MB RAM and clockspeed less than iPad).
Yesterday i did HTML5 test on Galaxy s2 (my dad's) and my iPod Touch , 2.3 GB Vs iOS 5.1 , results were too good , ~320 on iPod Vs ~190 on galaxy s2.
(on 2 mbps connection Wi-fi)
So in real life , Optimized software always wins.
Single Core or Dual Core doesn't matter unless software is optimized.
Only concern i dont buy WP right now is because of very less STORAGE , that keeps bugging me whether to buy it or not.
512 MB RAM on WP (if i buy one) will be like heaven to me because On iPod multiple tab browsing works upto 3 tabs and they get flushed out frequently if i had more than 3 opened.
Even though galaxy s2 has like 1 GB RAM , on very HEAVY usage max. consumption on it is like ~700 MB RAM.(As we know android isn't as polished as WP/iOS) , Even HTML Pages render on iOS far better than WP or Android.
Anyway , i like WP to be simple one for day-to-day use but iPod still remains as a daily used device too.But not sure whether to wait for SD-slot support in future or buy now.(Confused)