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It seems the only way to fast charge a N1 is with the supplied wall charger. Standard Micro USB chargers whould only allow at much as 450mA of charge current regardless of the adapter current capacity.
The bundled charger however, manages to push 900mA into the N1. I made a cut in the charger wires and measured the current draw to make sure.
Now.. I'd like my car charger to be able to do the same. There must be some hack in the plug of the N1 charger since there are only 2 conductors from the case to the plug. You can see that the plug is somewhat longer than similar Micro USB plugs..
So I tried to see if one of the 3 unused pins can tell me anything but.. they seem unconnected as far as I could tell. Diode measurement (to test for any digital part inside) also did not produce any results. The next obvious step is to take the molded plug apart but I'd rather not...
Does anyone have any clue as to what makes that plug so special?
And please - I did my tests with a bench power supply - not the car chargers - so don't go around telling me it has to do with charger current capacity.
Thanks,
Nir
are you sure the micro usb cords you are using are able to handle the amps? most chargers made prior to now, only push about 450mA, the G1, and N1 chargers i have push a full amp though. I just ordered a car charger that pushes an amp too. There is nothing "special" about the plug.
followinginsanity said:
are you sure the micro usb cords you are using are able to handle the amps? most chargers made prior to now, only push about 450mA, the G1, and N1 chargers i have push a full amp though. I just ordered a car charger that pushes an amp too. There is nothing "special" about the plug.
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I beg to differ. All the cords can easily supply 1 AMP. It is the phone itself that decides how much to draw from the charger based on something IN THE PLUG.
I am an electronics engineer so do understand I know perfectly what I am talking about
And your 1A car charger does not supply anything over 0.45A to the phone.. you will see that if you are using the phone while it charges (say nav or phone call) the phone actually looses some charge albeit it being charged... This will not happen with the stock wall charger.
I have a 900mAh car charger that I use and it does in fact give 900mAh to the phone while charging. I can tell because I used a 450mAh charger at home before and it was slooow and I could drain my phone while charging it. With the car charger I can stream music with spotify, use the GPS, have the screen on full brightness and the battery % will still go up.
I also bought a new wall charger recently, which is 850mAh on the USB port and has a 350mAh charger for a loose battery as well, works quite nice.
Has anyone measured the voltage or put a scope on the output of the stock charger?
maybe stock charger has a slight variance in voltage over USB chargers or some signalling going on and this tells the N1 to take more current from it?
I would like a solution to this too I've seen my phone discharge while on a supposedly 1A car charger using co-pilot.
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I have a 900mAh car charger that I use and it does in fact give 900mAh to the phone while charging. I can tell because I used a 450mAh charger at home before and it was slooow and I could drain my phone while charging it. With the car charger I can stream music with spotify, use the GPS, have the screen on full brightness and the battery % will still go up.
I also bought a new wall charger recently, which is 850mAh on the USB port and has a 350mAh charger for a loose battery as well, works quite nice.
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Forget the numbers on the chargers - what counts is what really goes into the phone and that needs to be measured with a current meter (test equipment). What you may think to be fast might not be that.
Original HTC chargers obviously do the trick of fast charging but this comes at a price compared to the $3-$4 garden variety on Ebay and the likes.
now I cannot help you with the electronics at all, but, my old HTC Touch Pro charger seems to charge the same as the one which came with the phone, is this correct?
(suits me if it is, as then I have a charger for home and work)
my blackberry bold 2 charger only says it outputs 700MAh, but both the google and htc chargers both say 1.0A
dnts said:
Forget the numbers on the chargers - what counts is what really goes into the phone and that needs to be measured with a current meter (test equipment). What you may think to be fast might not be that.
Original HTC chargers obviously do the trick of fast charging but this comes at a price compared to the $3-$4 garden variety on Ebay and the likes.
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Yes, it is just anecdotal evidence as I don't have any equipment to measure it. But my phone no longer discharges when I use it while charging, which it used to do with the old charger I used. So while I can say for a fact that the charger I use now is faster, I can't say by how much (this goes for both the car charger and the one I put in the wall socket).
I ordered this charger a few weeks ago and it charges my phone as fast as the original charger. The label says 5v / 1200mA.
Genuine Nokia Mini AC-10U US Type AC Charger (100~240V)
$7,25 and free shipping. (Takes a while before you get it tho.)
GazzaK said:
now I cannot help you with the electronics at all, but, my old HTC Touch Pro charger seems to charge the same as the one which came with the phone, is this correct?
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HTC Touch Pro = mini USB
Nexus One = micro USB
Not an engineering here, but I am guessing the phone not always drawing more than 500ma may be is to do with the charger itself.
There is this "fast charge" USB standard where a wall plug has the USB data pins shorted to indicate that it is a wall plug and hence the phone knows when to draw more power. So even if the charger is rated 1A, the phone might not know if it could utilize that if those pins aren't shorted. Try doing a quick Google on this ....
If someone can test if the stock charger that came with the phone in fact does have those pins shorted that would confirm part of this theory.
For all practical purpose - I used two cables/plugs with a bench adjustable power supply. Simple micro USB plug would only let me draw 450mA regardless of power supply voltage in the range 4.5-5.5V. Tried shorting data pins - nothing. Tried shorting spare pin to VCC or GND or any of the other pins - nothing.
Used original cable and plug - draws 900mA at voltages from 4.9-5.5.
So it's in the plug somehow.
Tried (very difficult) to see if the pins on the plug are shorted and all 3 spares (except for 5V and GND) seems unconnected.
Next step is the irreversible hot knife...
I'm bugged by this, too. I tested with my desktop dock connected to my car charger (which states 1000 mA): it loads slowly and my battery widget reports USB- instead of AC-charger.
Might it be that the phone tries to load more than 1000 mA at the beginning to be sure that it doesn't overload the charger? And if that fails, it falls back to 500 mA?
Could N1 use a simple logic of:
- always watch the voltage
- start drawing 500ma (or whichever is the lowest current as per USB spec)
- increment in say 50ma steps
- if voltage drops below 4.x V, back off and stay at that level
I just did a little test of my own. I have a Palm Pre car charger (actual Palm brand one labeled as 1000ma output) and I plunged my N1 into it on my way home from work. In twenty eight minutes, my battery went from 47% to 70%. Much faster than plugging into my computer, which is 500ma max. I don't have any fancy test equipment, and don't claim to know a whole lot about electronics, but seems pretty fast to me.
I have a 4-port 2A 5v USB charger, and connecting it to my Nexus OR Milestone with a MicroUSB cable (the one that shipped with either phone, or the one from my Kindle) yields painfully slow charging - it basically won't charge if you are using the phone.
Connecting the Nexus One charger yields fast charging on either phone - so it is not HTC (or Motorola) proprietary.
The Milestone comes with a 900mA USB plug, and connecting THAT to either phone with either of the MicroUSB cables yields fast charging.
I have another aftermarket 2 port 2A 5V USB wall charger (brand: T'nB) AND I have an iPhone USB plug, and both give fast charging on the Milestone, and I have not yet tried them on the Nexus One.
Breakdown (on things I've tried):
FAST CHARGING on Nexus One AND Milestone:
Nexus charger (either in the US (110v/60hz) or in France (220v/50hz) through an adaptor)
Milestone wall French USB plug (which I think is something odd like 850mA at 5.9v) with ANY microUSB cable (in fact, it seems to charge both of the phones faster than the stock Nexus One plug)
SLOW CHARGING on Nexus One AND Milestone:
USB plug on computer
One aftermarket 4 port 2A 5V USB charger (NOT a hub, only a charger)
FAST CHARGING on Milestone, untested with Nexus One
T'nB 2 port 5v 2A USB wall charger
Apple iPhone 1 port 1A 5v USB wall adaptor
Seems found the answer for Fast Charging N1
I had just do some test for Charging N1 With Original AC Charger , Other band USB Charger and PC USB charger.
1. Orginal Charger give N1 from 0% to 100% at about 2 hour and something.
2. The other band AC charger and PC USB Charger can only finish the same job over 5 to 6 hours.
The Fast Charging is Due to 5.1V (Measured at N1) and 5.2V(Measured inside AC charger). 0.1V Drop is due to resistance of USB cable.
The Slow charged is due to 4.8V (measured at N1) and 5.0V (measured on PC USB and Other AC Charger)
i.e. Original Charger mod from 5.0 V to 5.2V (about 10% increase in Voltage)
Looks my theory is correct then ? N1 watches the voltage and if it droops too much, it backs off the current.
So the key would be: get a charger than can maintain at least 1A @ 5.2V, use
a decent gauge, short wire from the brick to N1.
Has anyone tried a Blackberry charger on the N1? Will they work to full capacity as well? (They're on Amazon for a fiver)
Because the nokia charger is working
http://pinoutsguide.com/CellularPhones-Nokia/micro_usb_connector_pinout.shtml
see info under table.
I tested also HP charger + standard USB cable delivered with Nexus, and it is charching cca 1A.
Then I tested one noname Carcharger + standard USB cable delivered with Nexus, and also charging cca 1A.
I dismantle the noname carcharger and here is a result:
data line (pin2+3) is shorted and connected do + (pin1 ,Vcc) thrue resistor cca 630kOhm.
1 - 4 = 5.1V
2,3 - 4 = 3.2V
rashid11 said:
Looks my theory is correct then ? N1 watches the voltage and if it droops too much, it backs off the current.
So the key would be: get a charger than can maintain at least 1A @ 5.2V, use
a decent gauge, short wire from the brick to N1.
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I try to use power supply 5.2V 2A with cable without dataline (pin 2and3 not connected) and it is charging 480mA only.
I have now tested with an HTC car charger for the HD2. It's fast charging (tested with Waze running, two bluetooth connections and playing mp3 - and it's still loading the battery, whereas before it would be stuck at the current percentage) and even shows AC power instead of USB.
I searched through some of the threads and I didn't see one directly related to my question so here it goes. I have been unable to get my tablet and or dock to charge with any other charger other then the one it came with. I'ver tried a samsun tablet charger, an 8w usb charger, other misc wall blocks etc. Will our tablet only charge with the asus charger? Any thought's or ideas on this would be great.
eeeeeeeeek said:
I searched through some of the threads and I didn't see one directly related to my question so here it goes. I have been unable to get my tablet and or dock to charge with any other charger other then the one it came with. I'ver tried a samsun tablet charger, an 8w usb charger, other misc wall blocks etc. Will our tablet only charge with the asus charger? Any thought's or ideas on this would be great.
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According to some it is possible to use a USB 5V charger to charge but you need the patience of Job and have it shut down. The simplest answer is that this tablet cannot be charged from ANY USB 5V power source.
The tablet charges at 12V 1.2A. The ASUS Charger is wired in such a way that when using the supplied cable it charges the tablet with 12V @ 1.2 A. When any other USB cable is used the charger will output 5V so that it can be used to charged other devices.
The only other source of chargers is from eBay. Just make sure you buy one that puts out 12Volts with a minimum of 1.2Amps.
There are other answers to this same question just maybe not the way you posed it!
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According to some it is possible to use a USB 5V charger to charge but you need the patience of Job and have it shut down.
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Yes, the tablet (but not the dock) will charge from a 5V USB port, but it will be *very* slow (a few % per hour), and the tablet must be in standby or off.
eckka said:
The tablet charges at 12V 1.2A.
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The original charger outputs 15V.
_that said:
Yes, the tablet (but not the dock) will charge from a 5V USB port, but it will be *very* slow (a few % per hour), and the tablet must be in standby or off.
The original charger outputs 15V.
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Yes the original is 15V, it does actually switch to 5V if a non transformer USB device is connected. I'll add that a lot of the cheap eBay chargers output 11V to 12V which is why we have so many issues with the device trying to figure out what it is connected to.... imo.
A regular USB charger is 5V.
The tablet starts detecting a charge at 12V.
The original charger is 15V.
It CAN be charged from 5V, but you have to shut it down and it charges at 3-5% an hour. This isn't "some" mentioning it; it's in the bloody manual.
@sbdags If the cheap chargers indeed charge at between 11V and 12V, that explains the constant beeping people experience whilst using them. It keeps varying between "Charging" and "Not Charging".
So basically it sounds like the best way to charge is from the original charger/cable that came with the unit. This is no biggie. I was just trying to understand why a 8v battery back wasn't charging the tablet, but it wasn't idle, i had it on. So if I wanted to use that I would need to power off the device and it will essentially trickle charge. I don't see to many 15v usb car chargers on the market, though I haven't done extensive research. Thanks for the input.
It does charge (slowly) when on and idle - I regularly charge it overnight hooked up to my PC.
Hi,
I would like to create list of car chargers that are able to charge N5 in AC mode.
Till now I have found only one review on Amazon on: "PowerGen Dual USB 3.1A Car charger".
Sorry, but I still can't post links.
I want to buy something that works for sure.
So, please share your real life experience...
armourer1 said:
Hi,
I would like to create list of car chargers that are able to charge N5 in AC mode.
Till now I have found only one review on Amazon on: "PowerGen Dual USB 3.1A Car charger".
Sorry, but I still can't post links.
I want to buy something that works for sure.
So, please share your real life experience...
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I got this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-Dual-...5839252&sr=8-1&keywords=anker+usb+car+charger is working fine, it has 2 ports one of which says it is for apple but works just fine on any device both ports charge over 2 Amps.
Ady1976
Thanks for replay,
Can you please Goto Settings -> About -> Status -> Battery Status: and verify that you see Charging (AC) ?
I am also able to charge with old Griffin charger, but it only works with "Charging (USB)" - 0.5A.
Thanks...
armourer1 said:
Ady1976
Thanks for replay,
Can you please Goto Settings -> About -> Status -> Battery Status: and verify that you see Charging (AC) ?
I am also able to charge with old Griffin charger, but it only works with "Charging (USB)" - 0.5A.
Thanks...
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Hi, yes it does say charging by (AC)
Ady1976
Thanks a lot !
Now I have one more charger to choose from -
0.5A is USB level so that's why that one doesn't work, anything that charges at 1A or over should be fine.
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0.5A is USB level so that's why that one doesn't work, anything that charges at 1A or over should be fine.
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My charger is capable of driving more than 0.5A, but the phone don't "understand' it.
Android determines that a charger is a wall charger (as opposed to a computer) by the fact that the data ports are shorted together. Apple chargers don't do this, so most chargers made for Apple products will only charge Android devices at 0.5A. Heck, almost no car chargers do, unless they were made specifically for an Android device. Here's what I did:
I ordered this Griffin car charger, mainly because of the size. It just BARELY sticks out of the car's charging plug. Then, I ordered the Nexus Wireless Charger, and used the cable it came with (minus the wall plug). Presto... Qi wireless charging in my car. The magnets hold the N5 in place nicely so it doesn't slide off the charger in my center console, and the charger I linked easily supplies the 1.8A that the Nexus Charger expects.
The catch is that this charger was designed for an Apple product, so I had to carefully pry it apart and short the center two USB pins with solder using a soldering iron (those are the data pins).
EDIT: I should point out here that the Nexus charger may work fine without shorting the pins. I didn't test it. I wanted the ability to quick charge via cable if necessary, since Qi charging is a bit slower, so I shorted the pins, but if all you're interested in is Qi charging, you may be able to get by without modifying the charger. If someone wants to test this, please let us know.
jt3
Thanks for the info. I have some kind of Griffin charger with 2 USB ports.
So, I will try to do the same - shorten data pins inside the charger.
I will post it works
Just an FYI, I was charging with a charger that listed AC mode last weekend yet it wasn't charging faster than the power was draining.
Not all the AC modes officially charge at a faster pace unfortunately. My Galaxy Nexus car dock charger though did charge it at a proper AC pace.
What took me a little while to figure out is that this issue may not be as related to the charger as it is to the cable. I tried 3 different car chargers and none of them would keep up with GPS battery drain in the car. I figured out that common to all 3 chargers that I was trying was the cable. So I bought this cable and now all 3 of the same chargers work great. I am finding that even at 1.0A you can keep up with the gps battery drain. At 1.5 amps or greater you can charge the battery in the car while using GPS full time.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0088HTYUE/ref=ya_aw_oh_pit
jalanjkcarp said:
What took me a little while to figure out is that this issue may not be as related to the charger as it is to the cable. I tried 3 different car chargers and none of them would keep up with GPS battery drain in the car. I figured out that common to all 3 chargers that I was trying was the cable. So I bought this cable and now all 3 of the same chargers work great.
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This is because some "charge only" cables don't have data pins at all (usually, because they came with a charging dock of some sort, or were designed for devices other than Android). Remember, I said earlier that Android notices that it's on a charger when the data pins are shorted. If they're missing completely, then it will only charge at 0.5A.
My rule of thumb is to stay far - far away from charge-only cables.
I bought a "2.1A Car Charger" with a single USB port (made by PNY....Amazon for about $6 shipped)... opened it up and soldered a bridge between the middle 2 USB pins.
Previously it reported Charging (USB), now I get Charging (AC). Confirmed with a widget that showed charging amps, the number went way way up.
Presumably any of these chargers claiming high-amp output will only work with iDevices, I guess they ignore the USB standard that if the two middle pins are bridged, its a power-only connection and full power can flow.
I did test this on an HTC One X running 4.2 and it reports Charging USB though, so there is a dependency on one of the newer Android kernels (my N5 runs 4.4.2)
Edit: oh yea... with my newly modded charger, I tested turning on Bluetooth streaming audio to my car, GPS on, navigation running, screen on, 100% bright, and wifi tethering enabled, and i STILL had a net charge going.
I've just bought a Blackberry Premium In-Vehicle Charger and my N5 recognizes it as an AC charger. The phone pulls around 1A from it (it's good for up to 1.8A). This is it, though I purchased mine from a local store.
I bought an OEM magnetic charging cable. I am mostly using it at work, connected to my laptop. Lately I tried to use it connected to the wallcharger adapter capable of 1500mAh.
I used to think that the magnetic charger was charging faster., however I noticed that my Amami is getting charged faster with a USB->microUSB cable by use of the wall charger.
Is that normal?
or
Does my magnetic charging cable not working properly?
Hi!
Wireless chargers are always slower than just charging over USB just cause of the way they work, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
balanced_emotions said:
I bought an OEM magnetic charging cable. I am mostly using it at work, connected to my laptop. Lately I tried to use it connected to the wallcharger adapter capable of 1500mAh.
I used to think that the magnetic charger was charging faster., however I noticed that my Amami is getting charged faster with a USB->microUSB cable by use of the wall charger.
Is that normal?
or
Does my magnetic charging cable not working properly?
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i also noticed differences in charging times using magnetic dock. it usually takes longer time to charge when it's peak load in your block/neighborhood. i would use a quick charger with the magnetic cable to improve charging time. or use a 2000mAh charger. avoid using the usb port to charge your amami. the rubber gasket used to protect and keep the port waterproof will wear out faster.
RaunoT said:
Hi!
Wireless chargers are always slower than just charging over USB just cause of the way they work, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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magnetic chargers aren't wireless.
eumanoid said:
i also noticed differences in charging times using magnetic dock. it usually takes longer time to charge when it's peak load in your block/neighborhood. i would use a quick charger with the magnetic cable to improve charging time. or use a 2000mAh charger. avoid using the usb port to charge your amami. the rubber gasket used to protect and keep the port waterproof will wear out faster.
magnetic chargers aren't wireless.
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Yes thats why I bought the magnetic charger (to avoid the rubber to be deformed).
Do you think using a 2000 mAh charger will be safe? I doubt to use chargers over the original wall charger's capacity 1500 mAh.
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Yes thats why I bought the magnetic charger (to avoid the rubber to be deformed).
Do you think using a 2000 mAh charger will be safe? I doubt to use chargers over the original wall charger's capacity 1500 mAh.
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yes. the soc should be able to handle 2000mah as it supports quick charge 2.0.
Yes I am now charging it with a 2000mAh charger connected to the magnetic charging cable and it is faster than before, actually much more faster. :good: Thank you !
Magnetic charge is way faster beside all the other advantages.
ifrxda said:
Magnetic charge is way faster beside all the other advantages.
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Which cable are You using?
Mirhawk said:
Which cable are You using?
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It's called "Gilsey Magnetic USB Charging Cable", very cheap, very useful. Got two of them and they're in permanent use for a year now. No probs.
Hi all,
I have a couple of micro usb car chargers and when I was using a Navigator app whilst driving somewhere my battery just died despite the charger being plugged in and showing as charging?
I bought another charger off ebay which is a usb car socket with a genuine Samsung micro usb cable. It shows as 1A output and I plugged my phone in to charge at 1% with google maps running, half an hour later it had only gone up to 2%?
What I did previously was plug the 3 pin mains charger into a 240V inverter plugged into the cigaretter lighter socket and that actually charged the phone. Any ideas why the car chargers won't charge it, does anyone know of a car charger that actually will charge the S5?
martyp78 said:
Hi all,
I have a couple of micro usb car chargers and when I was using a Navigator app whilst driving somewhere my battery just died despite the charger being plugged in and showing as charging?
I bought another charger off ebay which is a usb car socket with a genuine Samsung micro usb cable. It shows as 1A output and I plugged my phone in to charge at 1% with google maps running, half an hour later it had only gone up to 2%?
What I did previously was plug the 3 pin mains charger into a 240V inverter plugged into the cigaretter lighter socket and that actually charged the phone. Any ideas why the car chargers won't charge it, does anyone know of a car charger that actually will charge the S5?
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buy yourself 4.8A dual usb car charger (2.4A per port).
martyp78 said:
Hi all,
I have a couple of micro usb car chargers and when I was using a Navigator app whilst driving somewhere my battery just died despite the charger being plugged in and showing as charging?
I bought another charger off ebay which is a usb car socket with a genuine Samsung micro usb cable. It shows as 1A output and I plugged my phone in to charge at 1% with google maps running, half an hour later it had only gone up to 2%?
What I did previously was plug the 3 pin mains charger into a 240V inverter plugged into the cigaretter lighter socket and that actually charged the phone. Any ideas why the car chargers won't charge it, does anyone know of a car charger that actually will charge the S5?
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If your battery goes above the 42°C the Kernell stops charging; the consumption of the phone can be up to 700mAh, so with 1A the charge must increase in about 5% in half an hour. with a 2A charger the kernell will accept another 800mAh as much, so you can fully charge your phone in more than three hours, (whe in a fully use) but always with abattery temperature lower than 42°C
I personally use the Anker Qualcomm 2.0 car charger, no problems, I like how fast it charges even if I am heavily using it (unlike other chargers I have owned)
Excellent,thanks both. I got hold of a 2.1a charger which seems to be doing the job well at the moment. Interesting thing about the battery as I have felt it get very warm at times, not always when charging though.
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It's powerfull enough to charge a S5 and a S5 mini for example.
I have a genuine at&t 2.1 AMP car charger for my SGS5 and I never had any problems with it. It also has an extra USB port so you can charge two devices at a time (the 2 amps split to 1 amp for each device).