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For those who switched from an HTC One..

How are you liking the Nexus 5? I really like my One, but I'm itching for a new toy. I love the sleek design of the Nexus 5, but don't know if it's worth the switch. Anyone willing to share some of their opinions?

I switched from a one... The only thing I miss about the one is the speakers and sound quality, besides that, the n5 blows it away.
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yezzuuRRR!! hes rite.. i came from the htc one also and the ony thing i miss is the speakers also.. thats it!! other then that the N5 is 10000000000 times better in my eyes.. this is my first nexus phone and im loving it.. wish i would have made the change years ago

i am switching back to one

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i am switching back to one
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What didn't you like about the Nexus?

ovoxo. said:
How are you liking the Nexus 5? I really like my One, but I'm itching for a new toy. I love the sleek design of the Nexus 5, but don't know if it's worth the switch. Anyone willing to share some of their opinions?
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Just switched 2 weeks ago due to QC issues on the HTC One (I was on my 4th unit). I really wanted to love the One but I just didn't want to play the refurb game anymore.. with that said here are some notes based on my experiences so far. I currently have the Black/White 32GB Nexus 5 which I have used for about 2 and a half weeks and had the silver HTC One 32GB for about 4 months.
Display: Both have fantastic displays. Nexus 5 does seem to have a bit more washed out colors but it's negligible in my opinion and it produces a more realistic color representation when both screens are on default calibration. I would give the slight nod to HTC in terms of quality, but a push overall since Nexus 5 has a bigger screen.
Radios/Call quality: I'm on T-Mobile currently and the signal strength for data and voice calls were pretty much even. I would actually give the call quality a slight nod to the Nexus 5 in terms of clarity on both ends. Both phones gave me no problems in terms of radio performance.
Camera: I read reviews where HTC One camera was getting critical acclaim.. I have no idea why. One camera had some great software features and the low light performance was OK, but overall I would take the Nexus 5 camera in a heartbeat. Nexus 5 camera provides more details obviously due to the higher pixel count, better color contrast and it just takes better pictures consistently in good lighting settings. Things to keep in mind though is that HDR mode takes great pics, but shutter lag is noticeable in that mode and camera recording is not possible in HDR so any low light enviornment produces basically pitch black video.
Performance: HTC is no slouch but the performance is definitely better on the Nexus 5. I'm not a gamer so I can't comment on that front, but apps open faster, browsing seems snappier, and it just seems more fluid.
Software: Nexus 5, no contest. Sense 5 is ok, but it had a lot of annoying features (app drawer in particular) that just annoyed me.
Hardware/Build Quality: Everyone knows the specs in and out by this point, so I won't go into that. HTC definitely feels more premium due to the aluminum chassis and it's a little more comfortable to hold due to the curved back. The HTC front speakers are also phenomenal... Nexus 5 does not compare. Now, all I said was that the HTC One FEELS more premium, I actually like the design of the Nexus 5 better due to the minimalist design and the black/white contrast along with a very light weight feel.
Battery Life: Honestly, the speakers and build quality is an added bonus but battery life is the most important feature for me on a phone. I have headphones on at all times, and build quality only gets you so far (and as I mentioned, premium feel but I'm on my FOURTH HTC One) so the extra added feature of the One does not give me an added benefit for the most part over the Nexus 5. For my usage which consists of 4 email account on 15 minute sync, streaming music for an hour over bluetooth, 30 - 60 minutes of calls, watching some youtube clips, reading the news or books, checking fantasy sports teams and browsing the web, I can get 20 -24 hours of usage with an average of 4 hours of screen time on the Nexus 5. HTC One was about the same but for some reason, it was less consistent and on average get less screen on time.
In conclusion, assuming I had absolutely no issues with HTC One during my 4 month of ownership, I probably would not have changed to the Nexus 5 since it's not a significant upgrade. Now, if I was shopping for phones currently and had the choice of purchasing either device, I would pick the Nexus 5 in a heartbeat. For me it comes down to the fact that the Nexus 5's value for the price is just ridiculous along with the fact that it's SIM unlocked for THREE of the major carriers in the US. And of course, the hackability and the developer support for the Nexus products are unmatched :laugh:
EDIT: I should also add that both phones were rooted but pretty much stock for everything else.

I switched from the One after being fed up with the infamous "purple tint" camera issue, I've been loving the Nexus 5. Only thing from the One that I REALLY miss are the speakers, which is understandable considering how lackluster the speakers on the Nexus 5 are. Camera isn't the best on the Nexus 5, definitely slower shutter speed than the HTC One, but I haven't had any major issues with the camera so far.
I've sent in my One for repairs and am expected to get it back tomorrow, at the end of the day, especially software-wise, it's all down to user preference. I have loved the stock android 4.4 kitkat experience (minus the navbar which I quickly replace with PIE controls anyways), but I also enjoyed HTC Sense 5. I'm definitely gonna be playing around with both phones and deciding which one I want to keep.
If you want to see if you should go for the Nexus 5, flash a google play edition ROM onto your HTC One if you're rooted, mess around with it and see if you enjoy stock android over Sense, if you do, then Nexus 5 is definitely for you.

My wife switched from the One to the N5 and she likes the simpler design and look of the N5. I am impressed by the performance of the N5--it flies! I also like that the N5 has a larger screen in a device the same size as the One. Considering the One is nearly twice the price of the N5, it's hard to compare the two on equal ground. I like the N5 better.

Anyone here switch over from the Nexus 6?

I got my nexus 6 last month when they were on sale but honestly it's just to big. It hurts the sides of my fingers lol. I know the processor is better than the 617 but I am not some benchmark guy who only cares about that. Also I am living abroad in Colombia so I can dump my nexus easily and probably make money since cell phones are very $$$ here. I already ordered 3 A9's, one of each color so I am deciding if I should keep one and sell the other two along with my nexus.
Any thoughts from some nexus guys would be appreciated

I'm not coming from a Nexus 6 but I do have a Nexus 5X and an HTC One M9. I'm not seeing any performance difference between the 5X and the A9. I'm also not really noticing much, if any, performance decrease from the One M9. A9 seems like a really solid device. Fingerprint reader is really convenient and is fast. The size of the device is great too.

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I'm not coming from a Nexus 6 but I do have a Nexus 5X and an HTC One M9. I'm not seeing any performance difference between the 5X and the A9. I'm also not really noticing much, if any, performance decrease from the One M9. A9 seems like a really solid device. Fingerprint reader is really convenient and is fast. The size of the device is great too.
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Sweet thanks, just what I wanted to hear
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I'm considering the A9 coming from a Nexus 5... The 5x build quality is meh and the 6p has that ugly visor that i can't get used to.
The A9 looks like a nice phone for someone wanting to move on from the Nexus 5. I'm used to a poor battery, speaker, and camera. The A9 appears to be an upgrade in the speaker and camera, and a push with the battery.
I'm Nexus snob, so I'm kind of waiting to see how the A9 shakes out, especially with ROMs

One A9 vs. One M9 at the same price

Today HTC's got a 40% off sale for the M9, the second they've had in recent weeks, so it looks like they are really trying to move it. I have an A9 and like it pretty well, but at $390 (US), how do users that have had both feel the A9 stacks up. I'm coming from the M7 and am enjoying the camera upgrade and better screen, but miss the speakers and HDMI out, though not enough to spend and extra $250 on the M9 at full price.
I'm following the threads on the camera over on the M9 forums and people are doing cool things, so I'm torn on returning this for the M9 on sale.
How do people that have made the jump feel?

stinkytaco said:
Today HTC's got a 40% off sale for the M9, the second they've had in recent weeks, so it looks like they are really trying to move it. I have an A9 and like it pretty well, but at $390 (US), how do users that have had both feel the A9 stacks up. I'm coming from the M7 and am enjoying the camera upgrade and better screen, but miss the speakers and HDMI out, though not enough to spend and extra $250 on the M9 at full price.
I'm following the threads on the camera over on the M9 forums and people are doing cool things, so I'm torn on returning this for the M9 on sale.
How do people that have made the jump feel?
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I prefer my M9. The A9 is VERY cool and I like it a lot, but just not as much as my M9. The A9 fingerprint scanner is extremely cool, but that's about the only thing I can think of that I like more. I prefer sense on the M9 and I know that custom roms will probably come to the A9, but there aren't any yet so the best you can do as fast a customizing is to root. The custom rom I use on my M9 is pretty close to stock, but has some nice tweaks that I've gotten used to.
I haven't tried the camera on the A9, but the M9 is good enough for my purposes (snapshots and videos of the kid). I also haven't tested battery life, but the M9 isn't very good in that regard, so I'm expecting the A9 to be about the same.
Marshmallow seems cool, but it's coming to the M9 by year end, so that shouldn't be much of a factor.
Are there any specific questions you want me to answer? I have both devices here next to me.

jollywhitefoot said:
Are there any specific questions you want me to answer? I have both devices here next to me.
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Thanks for the reply. I don't have anything specific, just wondering what people feel. For me, the two big features I miss are stereo speakers and HDMI out. Neither of those are worth a bunch to me, but I miss them, especially when traveling. But at the same price...
That said, I like Sense and don't have much stomach for ROMs any more (too many late nights trying to restore my phone). The speed of M9 is meaningless to me, my M7 is still fast enough, though the bump in RAM in the A9 has been welcome.
The big one is the camera. I see what people are doing over on the M9 forums in the camera thread and the M9 camera is clearly better than it was first reviewed, but most of those great pictures seem to be lots of tweaking and attention. Do you feel the A9 has the better camera for "day to day" use?
It's not that I'm unhappy with the A9, I'm just eyeing the deal for what is ostensibly a "better" phone wondering if it's worth switching. I expect I'm not the only one wondering what the comparison is.

stinkytaco said:
Thanks for the reply. I don't have anything specific, just wondering what people feel. For me, the two big features I miss are stereo speakers and HDMI out. Neither of those are worth a bunch to me, but I miss them, especially when traveling. But at the same price...
That said, I like Sense and don't have much stomach for ROMs any more (too many late nights trying to restore my phone). The speed of M9 is meaningless to me, my M7 is still fast enough, though the bump in RAM in the A9 has been welcome.
The big one is the camera. I see what people are doing over on the M9 forums in the camera thread and the M9 camera is clearly better than it was first reviewed, but most of those great pictures seem to be lots of tweaking and attention. Do you feel the A9 has the better camera for "day to day" use?
It's not that I'm unhappy with the A9, I'm just eyeing the deal for what is ostensibly a "better" phone wondering if it's worth switching. I expect I'm not the only one wondering what the comparison is.
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I haven't taken a single picture with the A9. The M9 camera is fine. It's definitely not spectacular. Those guys in the M9 camera thread recommend to not touch the screen in auto mode (to select a focus point) so sometimes the camera doesn't focus on the subject if your subject is not obvious (or centered). In low light, you definitely have to try to keep your phone steady to get the best results.
If you like the A9, the i don't think you should get an M9. It's not necessarily better than the A9, it's just different with different strengths ans weaknesses. I much prefer the M9, but i'm sure others much prefer the A9.

A9 camera is better than the M9 IMO, I have both. But still sucks compared to the iPhone..so yeah...Plus, I like the look/feel of the new A9 over the M9, size/weight etc.just hoping for VZW support sooner than later, and some custom ROMs as well.

I'd worked around all these crappy camera issues by just getting a Sony QX-100 instead. Now I don't have to care except for the crappy Sony WiFi issues.

NuShrike said:
I'd worked around all these crappy camera issues by just getting a Sony QX-100 instead. Now I don't have to care except for the crappy Sony WiFi issues.
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Why go for the Sony QX-100 when you could have gotten a Sony RX100, forgone any viewfinder lag, added a flash and several other features, and still had kept the nifty remote viewfinder in case that sort of thing is important to you?

sonus said:
Why go for the Sony QX-100 when you could have gotten a Sony RX100, forgone any viewfinder lag, added a flash and several other features, and still had kept the nifty remote viewfinder in case that sort of thing is important to you?
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Yup, that's why I solved that with a Mk4 of it.
My point is that we can get ahead of the smartphone camera race, if we really cared. Selecting a camera based on a smartphone is fairly pointless to me since phones are so "disposable" and varying quality these days.

A9 camera is better IMO. LIke the looks/feel of the A9, plus the price was right...but alas, no VZW support anytime soon...need to go back to cricket/att in 12 months...vzw was a mistake.

Here's a difference that is giving me cause to pause and consider returning the A9.
I'm not a video gamer so normally I ignore those type of performance ratings when phones are reviewed/compared. However, on a whim I picked up a free Google Cardboard from VZW last week. I put my M9 into it and had a great time experimenting with the concept. It was a generally entertaining experience.
Then, this week, my red A9 showed up. Yeah I can't use it on VZW yet but that didn't stop me from playing with it. Well, wouldn't ya know, the same Google Cardboard things that I played around with on the M9 performed poorer on the A9. Notably poorer. The part I'm talking about is around panning the image to and fro using the demonstration app. I suspect that this is due to the 3D rendered nature of the demo. The image, while panning, stutters noticeably on the A9.
This is the first phone I've had in a long time that wasn't running a Snapdragon 800 series processor and other top end components. I guess the M9's better graphics engine is coming into play. Bummer, because the A9's OIS is an attractive feature the M9 lacks. The fingerprint reader works fine but I wish the placement was on the back like my Nexus 5X. Other than that, I can't find many differences or have many complaints about the A9 vs the M9. But this one thing with Google Cardboard could be foreshadowing of something else I'll bump into down the road so i have to hurry up and make the decision on whether or not to keep it.

mrbillishere said:
The fingerprint reader works fine but I wish the placement was on the back like my Nexus 5X.
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I'm a nexus 5 owner. I'm considering getting a nexus 5x or an A9. Also considering just replacing my black 16 GB nexus 5 (that has a cracked screen) with a red 32gb nexus 5 since I love this phone so much.
What are your thoughts? I love the size of them all and all of their displays. The A9 is by far the best looking. Batteries are all about the same. N5 camera is worst of the 3. Fingerprint readers on the 5x and a9. Price of N5 is dirt cheap and the A9 is a little steep. 3gb ram on a9. 5x has the best cpu and I'm a big fan of nexus 4 and 5.
I'm torn.
Plus this forum is not showing much promise for development. Honestly, root is all I need, but it would still be a bonus.
Sorry for OT
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perXway1 said:
I'm a nexus 5 owner. I'm considering getting a nexus 5x or an A9. Also considering just replacing my black 16 GB nexus 5 (that has a cracked screen) with a red 32gb nexus 5 since I love this phone so much.
What are your thoughts? I love the size of them all and all of their displays. The A9 is by far the best looking. Batteries are all about the same. N5 camera is worst of the 3. Fingerprint readers on the 5x and a9. Price of N5 is dirt cheap and the A9 is a little steep. 3gb ram on a9. 5x has the best cpu and I'm a big fan of nexus 4 and 5.
I'm torn.
Plus this forum is not showing much promise for development. Honestly, root is all I need, but it would still be a bonus.
Sorry for OT
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I have a Nexus 5X, a One M9 and the One A9. I'm all One A9. Performance seems to be on par with the M9 and better compared to the 5X. The camera quality is better than the M9 and seems on par with the 5X.

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I have a Nexus 5X, a One M9 and the One A9. I'm all One A9. Performance seems to be on par with the M9 and better compared to the 5X. The camera quality is better than the M9 and seems on par with the 5X.
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Find it hard to believe better performance than the N5x considering internal differences. I've seen the A9 get bogged down with maps open and in background... Also saw it dropping frames while gaming where the 5x doesn't. I can understand it being on par with the m9 but only because the ui is more optimized.
I wish I could make the A9 and 5x mate... Give me a 32gb, metal, iPhone looking device with microsd support, 3gb ram, SD 808 CPU, and 5x display. Ugh
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perXway1 said:
Find it hard to believe better performance than the N5x considering internal differences. I've seen the A9 get bogged down with maps open and in background... Also saw it dropping frames while gaming where the 5x doesn't. I can understand it being on par with the m9 but only because the ui is more optimized.
I wish I could make the A9 and 5x mate... Give me a 32gb, metal, iPhone looking device with microsd support, 3gb ram, SD 808 CPU, and 5x display. Ugh
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I used the 5X for a month and I've been using the A9 for a month. Daily usage...A9 seems better. I don't really game too much other than Threes and some basketball game.
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TMartin said:
I used the 5X for a month and I've been using the A9 for a month. Daily usage...A9 seems better. I don't really game too much other than Threes and some basketball game.
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Lol I don't game either, not on my phone at least, just happened to notice it and I was a lil put off...
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So are there specific daily tasks where the m9 shows the 810 issues? They say it is a lot better with last updates but I don't have one and here in Italy it's almost absent in the market.

I had an M9 and G4 and now A9, well the A9 is superior to both!
The screen doesn't suffer from poor viewing angles like on M9.
Sound quality with earphones is thousands miles better than G4 and slighty better than M9.
Camera is better than M9 for sure but not as good as G4 because of the poor dynamic light
Design wise it's finally different than M7 and M8 while very sexy and keeping the metal body spirit.
Battery is the same on all 3 devices.
UI speed on A9 is faster than M9, it's so fast that it feels like a liquid UI
The only thing the M9 has more is the wide custom Sense roms available, but the A9 will have a good one soon.
So yes the A9 is the way to go!

I also have both A9 and M9 and here is my response to your comments
The screen doesn't suffer from poor viewing angles like on M9.
- M9 does NOT have poor viewing angles. Don't make people believe on this.
Sound quality with earphones is thousands miles better than G4 and slighty better than M9.
- Probably. But then again, M9 is both EXCELLENT in speaker and earphone tests unlike the A9 who has tinny sound coming from the mono speaker.
Camera is better than M9 for sure but not as good as G4 because of the poor dynamic light
- Agreed. The M9 could've been considered GOOD if not for the lack of OIS. (Note: slight hand movement WILL make your photos blurry especially in indoor/low lighting so the 20mp is technically USELESS if that happens.)
Design wise it's finally different than M7 and M8 while very sexy and keeping the metal body spirit.
- and to those people who don't like iOS but would like to have a similar design to an iPhone 6
Battery is the same on all 3 devices.
- A9 is only good at standby. Use it normally and it WILL drain faster than M9.
UI speed on A9 is faster than M9, it's so fast that it feels like a liquid UI
- Disagree. A9 stutters esp when multitasking (switching from an app to another) while the M9 is a SOLID performer (just like the M8 and M7).
The only thing the M9 has more is the wide custom Sense roms available, but the A9 will have a good one soon.
So yes the A9 is the way to go!
- It's the way to go if you prefer to have:
1. A better camera experience
2. Fingerprint scanner
3. iPhone-esque design
4. Lighter and slimmer body
5. AMOLED screen
Cons:
1. Slower performance than the M9
2. No boomsound speaker
3. Perceived as an iPhone clone to some (I definitely argue with people who are telling me it's HTC who imitated. grrrr)

Well, I guess it would be fine for me. I'd rather have a smooth interface than a roughly fast one, but it's just me. I definitely understand who needs a fast phone and can sacrifice some of the ux. Anyone owning the red one to tell me how it looks?

Im struggeling between oneplus 2 and htc one a9.. what do you guys think is the best choice?
the snapdragon 617 makes me thoughtful...

thoughts on how this phone will compare to pixel4xl?

I realize this is kind of a ridiculous threat because that phone is at least 4 months away, although I'm going to be in the market for a new phone, and as far as I can deal there are only two options for unlocked phones on Verizon.
seems like this phone has been getting fantastic reviews. Harvard do you think that the OnePlus will be able to match the hardware? Google seems to have always skimped on the hardware. I'm hoping for at least 8 gig of RAM on the Pixel 4. That being said do you think it is worth waiting for that phone or should I just pull the trigger? Currently have 2 XL and it is running great, I'm just getting bored with it

I assume the pixel 4 will be like the pixel 2 but with hardware upgrades. If you're bored with the pixel OnePlus is a good alternative.
The camera will be a downgrade if you do get the 7pro

I still think there will be a notch or a cut out but it will be a much improved over the 3 XL design.
At least 6gb of ram and better battery life is a must .
The screen on the 3 XL was very good and I'm sure the 4 will be the same but I can't see Google going for the 90hz.
Considering the pixel 3 is still the best cam with an older sensor. I could only imagine what Google could do with updated lens. Maybe wide or telephoto too.
Will be released with Q as well which is looking promising

Thanks for the messages. I assume processor will still be the same? I really don't care about the camera as much. And mainly concerned about speed and performance

Have you seen the proposed apple and Google handset forms. Expect a move back to big square camera mods, and big square panels. Yikes.

Cowbell_Guy said:
Thanks for the messages. I assume processor will still be the same? I really don't care about the camera as much. And mainly concerned about speed and performance
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Well from what I heard about the pixel3's, OnePlus might have the pixel4xl beat in speed and performance. The OP7P has UFS3.0 and we have a RAM boost, not to mention other variables that contribute to a faster device like almost stock android with OOS. But that is comparing it to an older model... I guess for a final answer we will have to wait until the pixel4xl is released. I'll say the price gap might be significant enough to lean towards the OP7P though.

Pixel 4 needs major changes. Pixel 3 was a step back from pixel 2xl for me personally. 4gb ram with poor ram management made for a frustrating device. Pixel 2xl was one of my favorite phones ever. OP7 pro is very smooth like I was accustomed to with pixel 2xl. Yes camera is not as good but with some patience you can still get quality shots.

It's hard to tell, I would say the 7 pro will be faster but pixel will have better cameras.
It's easy for Google this year though, make a phone with the specs of the 7 pro, no notch and put their camera on it. Even with a 60hz screen I would be tempted. If they do something different I'm not sure what they are up to.

With a once a year concervative release, the Pixel line had always been behind. Except if you want a camera phone...

Google didn't have a good smartphone since Motorola Nexus 6. Before that, Google's (Samsung) Galaxy was a great phone. Except Google pays Samsung or OnePlus to make a new Google phone, I wouldn't bother. They are 2 years behind OnePlus and they are focused on ai and ar, not how to make good smartphone. Also, Google charges too much for crappy phones.
Next great phone will probably be new Samsung Note. The only thing missing on 7 pro would be lack of DeX (hopefully we get that with new iteration of Android OS), and 5x+ "periscope" optical zoom.

Pixel phones have never had particularly exciting hardware, especially if you consider how late in the year it launches. Once again, it seems like it will have a slightly dated look with semi-large bezels for a flagship. Their only redeeming quality is the software and the camera (which we know is also mostly about awesome software).

blunden said:
Pixel phones have never had particularly exciting hardware, especially if you consider how late in the year it launches. Once again, it seems like it will have a slightly dated look with semi-large bezels for a flagship. Their only redeeming quality is the software and the camera (which we know is also mostly about awesome software).
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Since the leaked specs of that just came out... What do you guys think? Would anyone consider that phone over this? I'm looking to get a new phone in next few months just trying to figure out options for a Verizon unlocked bootloader

Cowbell_Guy said:
Since the leaked specs of that just came out... What do you guys think? Would anyone consider that phone over this? I'm looking to get a new phone in next few months just trying to figure out options for a Verizon unlocked bootloader
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Pixel might not beat OnePlus 7 Pro in terms of smoothness and speed.. but camera is a different story.. I have 7 Pro and planning to buy Pixel 4.. if the performance degradation is really noticeable, I will return Pixel 4 and keep OnePlus 7 Pro

I think Pixel 4/4XL will be far superior to OnePlus 7 Pro in the camera department only at a guess.

SlyUK said:
I think Pixel 4/4XL will be far superior to OnePlus 7 Pro in the camera department only at a guess.
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agreed, I think Camera is the one area that pixel is always king.
although that aside, I was disappointed to see that it is only rumored to have six gig of RAM. I can't really see any of the other specs being better than what we currently have. Honestly I'm debating between the 7 plus, before XL, or the next one plus. All I really care about is performance and speed. I'm not a huge photographer

Cowbell_Guy said:
agreed, I think Camera is the one area that pixel is always king.
although that aside, I was disappointed to see that it is only rumored to have six gig of RAM. I can't really see any of the other specs being better than what we currently have. Honestly I'm debating between the 7 plus, before XL, or the next one plus. All I really care about is performance and speed. I'm not a huge photographer
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If thats the case then OnePlus 7 Pro is definitely the phone to get.

Don't forget that by when Pixel 4 releases, Oneplus will have a successor to this phone a month later

Big Nexus / Pixel fan here, having owned almost all Nexus phones, and the Pixel 2 XL and now the 3 XL, and only owned the original OnePlus One, but I have to say, that beast had a long life, with ROM's it performed very well for several years, a good 3+ years the OPO was still fast and smooth. But the stock Android experience doesn't seems as cool as it used to, seems a little laggy sometimes, or not as warp speed smooth.
Whereas Oxygen OS is super fast, extreme smooth, and has extra tweaks and more customization baked in. OnePlus phones is sort of like a Pixel that's running a custom ROM and customer tweaked kernel.
So this is how I see it playing out;
- Pixel 4 XL wins in the camera department, and of course first for updates direct from Google. And the little things like wireless charging and official IP68 rating.
- OnePlus 7 Pro wins other areas; smoother faster OS experience. Maybe better display screen. Faster charging. More customization baked in.

GUGUITOMTG4 said:
Don't forget that by when Pixel 4 releases, Oneplus will have a successor to this phone a month later
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Good point. At the very least, night as well wait until the 4 comes out. Will force down prices of the 7, and the 8 will hopefully be released soon after
Which starts another argument- why would someone ever buy a phone with an old outdated processor when a new one was coming out a few months later

Cowbell_Guy said:
Good point. At the very least, night as well wait until the 4 comes out. Will force down prices of the 7, and the 8 will hopefully be released soon after
Which starts another argument- why would someone ever buy a phone with an old outdated processor when a new one was coming out a few months later
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You buy a phone when you need it, simple as that. Something new is always around the corner, but if you wait for that you will be waiting forever.

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Well seems I'll be posting the first post here. Planning to get the P4A at release to upgrade my pixel 2xl.
Debating whether to get the 4 or the 4a, but the better battery life, dual SIM support are better for me than the soli radar crap.

Following, in the same boat, Pixel 2xl camera crashed and unusable for a month now. Phone becoming so slow.

frontier02 said:
Following, in the same boat, Pixel 2xl camera crashed and unusable for a month now. Phone becoming so slow.
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sucks to hear about your camera crashing man. Roll back to Android 9 and it should work, at least that's what I read about that issue. Seems that some hardware drivers got messed up while upgrading from 9 to 10, which is whats causing the crash for the camera in ur case and various other hardware issues with other users. I don't know if it would fix it, worth the shot. Make sure u flash the full factory image, and to make it brand new don't take out the -w and wipe ur device completely clean.
If it does work try to upgrade to 10 by flashing the full factory image.

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sucks to hear about your camera crashing man. Roll back to Android 9 and it should work, at least that's what I read about that issue. Seems that some hardware drivers got messed up while upgrading from 9 to 10, which is whats causing the crash for the camera in ur case and various other hardware issues with other users. I don't know if it would fix it, worth the shot. Make sure u flash the full factory image, and to make it brand new don't take out the -w and wipe ur device completely clean.
If it does work try to upgrade to 10 by flashing the full factory image.
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I would try that but then I would be locked out of my work computer. Have to have camera to scan code. But definitely will try that after I decide on which phone to upgrade to. Twice after this post my phone quit responding to touches and had to reboot it to work.

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Well seems I'll be posting the first post here. Planning to get the P4A at release to upgrade my pixel 2xl.
Debating whether to get the 4 or the 4a, but the better battery life, dual SIM support are better for me than the soli radar crap.
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In the same boat here. I have the 2XL and though I'd love to keep this phone forever, it's starting to experience its fair share of issues. I'm waiting for the 4A. A few of my friends have the 4 and from their experience, Soli hasn't been worth it. Lots of complaints about missing the fingerprint scanner. Besides, not many Android apps support Face ID.
Unlikely the 4A will have an IP68 (or any) rating but that seems like the only downfall of the device. I'm excited to keep my fingerprint reader, dual SIM, and regain a headphone jack.

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In the same boat here. I have the 2XL and though I'd love to keep this phone forever, it's starting to experience its fair share of issues. I'm waiting for the 4A. A few of my friends have the 4 and from their experience, Soli hasn't been worth it. Lots of complaints about missing the fingerprint scanner. Besides, not many Android apps support Face ID.
Unlikely the 4A will have an IP68 (or any) rating but that seems like the only downfall of the device. I'm excited to keep my fingerprint reader, dual SIM, and regain a headphone jack.
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There is not much price difference with the current discounts that's why I'm torn.
Pixel 4xl
Pros: better soc, better screen, marginally better camera, IP68
Cons: battery life
Pixel 4a
Pros: battery life, dual SIM
Cons: mid-range SOC, marginally worse camera, smaller screen, no IP rating.
As far as the SOC goes, the 730 soc processor should be the same performance as the pixel 3XL in apps which is fine, but will be like the 2xl in games due to the much worse GPU. Should be a whole lot more efficient on battery though. I don't play much games but I hate stutters and lags. Carrying more than 1 phone is also a pain in my a**. I really hope it performs well with no stutters.

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There is not much price difference with the current discounts that's why I'm torn.
Pixel 4xl
Pros: better soc, better screen, marginally better camera, IP68
Cons: battery life
Pixel 4a
Pros: battery life, dual SIM
Cons: mid-range SOC, marginally worse camera, smaller screen, no IP rating.
As far as the SOC goes, the 730 soc processor should be the same performance as the pixel 3XL in apps which is fine, but will be like the 2xl in games due to the much worse GPU. Should be a whole lot more efficient on battery though. I don't play much games but I hate stutters and lags. Carrying more than 1 phone is also a pain in my a**. I really hope it performs well with no stutters.
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I recently upgraded to the 3a xl from the 2 xl. I love it. My wife had the original pixel xl so it was time to upggrade again. I was going to wait for the 4axl since i love the 3a so much. But as was said with the price drop I decided to get the 4xl. The main reason being I had my 3a for 3 days and accidently dropped it in water now I had flagship phones for a long time so i wasnt worried till i realized this phone is not ip rated. so i had to warrenty exchange it after only 3 days. So now my wife has 3a and I have 4. I have to say despite all the reviews the battery life on the 4xl is great. It is certianly on par with all the other pixel xl models I have had. And the only one i did not have was the 3xl. Now the 3axl is a different story that phone has legendary battery life because of its upper mid range processer. But My advice is if you need ip rated phone go for the 4xl. The smaller 4 is where the batttery really becomes an issue from what I have read and I read alot as you can see I am a big google fan had every phone starting with the n6p. oh and back in the day I had a galaxy nexus because I was a samsung fan before that.

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I recently upgraded to the 3a xl from the 2 xl. I love it. My wife had the original pixel xl so it was time to upggrade again. I was going to wait for the 4axl since i love the 3a so much. But as was said with the price drop I decided to get the 4xl. The main reason being I had my 3a for 3 days and accidently dropped it in water now I had flagship phones for a long time so i wasnt worried till i realized this phone is not ip rated. so i had to warrenty exchange it after only 3 days. So now my wife has 3a and I have 4. I have to say despite all the reviews the battery life on the 4xl is great. It is certianly on par with all the other pixel xl models I have had. And the only one i did not have was the 3xl. Now the 3axl is a different story that phone has legendary battery life because of its upper mid range processer. But My advice is if you need ip rated phone go for the 4xl. The smaller 4 is where the batttery really becomes an issue from what I have read and I read alot as you can see I am a big google fan had every phone starting with the n6p. oh and back in the day I had a galaxy nexus because I was a samsung fan before that.
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That's is my issue, I want the IP rating but I also want the power efficient processor and the dual SIM. I guess I'll decide when it's fully revealed. Glad to see a Google fan, I still own and use every Nexus device from the Galaxy Nexus onward. The Nexus 6p is my all time favorite phone. I would still use it as a main phone if it's processor can be upgraded and get the battery replaced. Cheers buddy.

I've had all the Pixels, liked them all. I traded my P4XL in on an S20+. As before, I'm done with the Galaxy & ready to go back to my Pixel. The 4a looks good to me. A couple compromises but every phone has that. The price though. I've spent 2 and 3 times that for phones. This has to be the most popular Pixel ever. The only downside is the economic disaster at hand. Priorities have changed for a lot of people.

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That's is my issue, I want the IP rating but I also want the power efficient processor and the dual SIM. I guess I'll decide when it's fully revealed. Glad to see a Google fan, I still own and use every Nexus device from the Galaxy Nexus onward. The Nexus 6p is my all time favorite phone. I would still use it as a main phone if it's processor can be upgraded and get the battery replaced. Cheers buddy.
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The battery life on my 4xl is still really good and you can turn off the motion sence and the 90hz screen if it really is an issue. And I only charge my phone to 80 only 100 if I am going to be away from a chargers for more than a day and how often does that happen. Also o don't know what carrier you have but I'm on fi and I use esim. I could be wrong but I think o could pop a physical sim in and have dual SIM 1 physical and one esim. And my Nexus 6p was my favorite phone for a long time I did not have any issues with it until the end right before I got my pixel XL. The battery started getting crappy. My poor wife always gets my hand me down phones and she was stuck with it for a while till I got my.pixel 2xl. I even put a new battery in it and it worked ok for.a while and died within 7 months. That phone hadaa great start in life and a hard fall from Grace.

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I've had all the Pixels, liked them all. I traded my P4XL in on an S20+. As before, I'm done with the Galaxy & ready to go back to my Pixel. The 4a looks good to me. A couple compromises but every phone has that. The price though. I've spent 2 and 3 times that for phones. This has to be the most popular Pixel ever. The only downside is the economic disaster at hand. Priorities have changed for a lot of people.
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The only thing about Samsung is their hardware is untouchable when it comes to quality. For example the wifi radio it 5 times better than in other phones of the same price. But that software man. I just cant do it. It is a shame the phone has 8 gigs of ram and 7 of it is taken up by system/bloatware. ( and yes 7 gigs is an exaggeration but you get the point) when my friend got the s10 i thought about it because they say the new ui is not like touchwiz but i ran some tests on his brand new s10 and compared them to my pixel 2xl and yeah the s10 had some great features that at the time you could not get with any pixel but I gotta say my 2xl was almost as snappy as his s10 and it all came down to memory management and system resources being used by the s10. Both stock phones no root or anything. Yeah the s10 was a bit faster but the 2xl held up with its 4 gigs of ram and 835 snapdragon against 8gigs of ram and snapdragon 855 in the s10. Its all about knowing the os and how to use it. And google is the undefeated master of both. and dont say well google made android that is only partially true I put this in another post google made android alongside the great devs here at xda its their commits that google uses for pixel features and google watches whats going on here and what people are doing with android and they incorporate it into aosp and then onto pixel. anyway if your like the rest of us and strapped for cash right now you cant go wrong with the 4a. 4xl is still on sale and for that price its a good deal i think I grabbed mine up before things got really rough. Either way you will have a good snappy phone that takes great pics and never bogs down. Stay safe my friends.

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The only thing about Samsung is their hardware is untouchable when it comes to quality. For example the wifi radio it 5 times better than in other phones of the same price. But that software man. I just cant do it. It is a shame the phone has 8 gigs of ram and 7 of it is taken up by system/bloatware. ( and yes 7 gigs is an exaggeration but you get the point) when my friend got the s10 i thought about it because they say the new ui is not like touchwiz but i ran some tests on his brand new s10 and compared them to my pixel 2xl and yeah the s10 had some great features that at the time you could not get with any pixel but I gotta say my 2xl was almost as snappy as his s10 and it all came down to memory management and system resources being used by the s10. Both stock phones no root or anything. Yeah the s10 was a bit faster but the 2xl held up with its 4 gigs of ram and 835 snapdragon against 8gigs of ram and snapdragon 855 in the s10. Its all about knowing the os and how to use it. And google is the undefeated master of both. and dont say well google made android that is only partially true I put this in another post google made android alongside the great devs here at xda its their commits that google uses for pixel features and google watches whats going on here and what people are doing with android and they incorporate it into aosp and then onto pixel. anyway if your like the rest of us and strapped for cash right now you cant go wrong with the 4a. 4xl is still on sale and for that price its a good deal i think I grabbed mine up before things got really rough. Either way you will have a good snappy phone that takes great pics and never bogs down. Stay safe my friends.
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I can do with Samsung's crappy software compared to Google's stock Android, but the camera is awful man. Samsung's hardware quality is on par with iPhones but the camera still sucks even with their ultra phone.
Now that apple has got their **** together and I can say pictures are marginally better on iPhones now plus the iphone's video capabilities are untouchable.
Samsung has got to step up their camera game with software and drop the hardware approach on the matter.

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I can do with Samsung's crappy software compared to Google's stock Android, but the camera is awful man. Samsung's hardware quality is on par with iPhones but the camera still sucks even with their ultra phone.
Now that apple has got their **** together and I can say pictures are marginally better on iPhones now plus the iphone's video capabilities are untouchable.
Samsung has got to step up their camera game with software and drop the hardware approach on the matter.
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I agree with the fact that Samsung needs to try a little harder. Maybe less one ui bull crap and a little more camera optimizations

Hi all, I want to take you my experience. My daily driver for the last 3 years is a OnePlus 5. I'm very satisfied about it's performance, but I really don't like the camera and the videos. And now OnePlus prices are so unaffordable to take a new one. So, I decided to switch to the P4A hoping battery and camera will me easily forget my OP5

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Hi all, I want to take you my experience. My daily driver for the last 3 years is a OnePlus 5. I'm very satisfied about it's performance, but I really don't like the camera and the videos. And now OnePlus prices are so unaffordable to take a new one. So, I decided to switch to the P4A hoping battery and camera will me easily forget my OP5
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I almost got a OnePlus myself, have you tried the gcam mod for the OnePlus?
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/p/gcam-oneplus-5-5t/
Currently using Verizon Google Pixel 2 XL
Retired: Verizon Motorola Moto Z2 Play
Retired: Verizon LG G4, Model: LG-VS986
Retired: Motorola DROID RAZR HD, Model: XT926

Oh yes I tried, but it works better with rooted devices and I don't want to root mine now. If you have some version that works without root too I will download it immediately :laugh:

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Oh yes I tried, but it works better with rooted devices and I don't want to root mine now. If you have some version that works without root too I will download it immediately :laugh:
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I had a oneplus 6 when it came out. Gcam was very buggy, couldn't depend on it much. Still using my pixel 2xl, best pixel phone the every made to date.

mattoa said:
Oh yes I tried, but it works better with rooted devices and I don't want to root mine now. If you have some version that works without root too I will download it immediately [emoji23]
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You can try this one, hopefully all goes smoothly after install.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/themes/app-arnova8g2s-google-camera-port-t3731001
Currently using Verizon Google Pixel 2 XL
Retired: Verizon Motorola Moto Z2 Play
Retired: Verizon LG G4, Model: LG-VS986
Retired: Motorola DROID RAZR HD, Model: XT926
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I had a oneplus 6 when it came out. Gcam was very buggy, couldn't depend on it much. Still using my pixel 2xl, best pixel phone the every made to date.
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No doubt about that, they say even better than the Pixel 3 and 3XL.
Currently using Verizon Google Pixel 2 XL
Retired: Verizon Motorola Moto Z2 Play
Retired: Verizon LG G4, Model: LG-VS986
Retired: Motorola DROID RAZR HD, Model: XT926

If someone can help me. With the leaks I think we pretty much now what to expect from the Pixel 4a.
I have a dilemma though. The Pixel 4A is expected to release at the €400 price in a few weeks. But I can also get the Poco F2 Pro for €450. The issue I have is that looking at the specs and videos available, the F2 PRO has a lot better specs on paper. Larger battery life, HDR10+, big screen Snapdragon 865 so its 5G enabled (in case I ever need it).
I've been running Lineage OS in my very old Oneplus One. And back in the day I had the Nexus One. I would love to get the latest Google updates and I'm missing out on the latest assistant of course.
So I know many of you have been running Pixel phones and are looking at the Pixel 4A.
My question is. Is it really worth it going for a lower specs phone like the Pixel 4A over a phone like the Poco F2 PRO? And if so. Why?
Couldn't II get the same Google experience on the Poco F2 PRO later on by installing a custom ROM?
Thans for your help.

Cometer said:
If someone can help me. With the leaks I think we pretty much now what to expect from the Pixel 4a.
I have a dilemma though. The Pixel 4A is expected to release at the €400 price in a few weeks. But I can also get the Poco F2 Pro for €450. The issue I have is that looking at the specs and videos available, the F2 PRO has a lot better specs on paper. Larger battery life, HDR10+, big screen Snapdragon 865 so its 5G enabled (in case I ever need it).
I've been running Lineage OS in my very old Oneplus One. And back in the day I had the Nexus One. I would love to get the latest Google updates and I'm missing out on the latest assistant of course.
So I know many of you have been running Pixel phones and are looking at the Pixel 4A.
My question is. Is it really worth it going for a lower specs phone like the Pixel 4A over a phone like the Poco F2 PRO? And if so. Why?
Couldn't II get the same Google experience on the Poco F2 PRO later on by installing a custom ROM?
Thans for your help.
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My 2 cents after using all the Nexus and pixel phones up to the 2xl. Haven't upgraded since cause the 3XL and 4XL have sub par battery performance, more on the 3XL than the 4XL though.
The only reason I can not bare to use another phone is the camera. I was spoiled with the photo quality of the Nexus 6p which is still better than a lot of 2020 flagship phones camera performance. I upgraded to the OnePlus 6 from the Nexus 6p which was an amazing phone at the time, but after two months I switch to the pixel 2xl solely because of the photo quality from the cameras. Google camera ports are never reliable, you should not buy a phone thinking you will use it full time cause u won't be able to.
Pixel phones lack support except in the US. Always plagued with hardware issues and it's a lottery if you get a device without the issues. Since I don't live in the US it's a pain in the ass to even get a case or a screen protector and I have to pay for international shipping. I couldn't even file the Nexus 6p class action lawsuit claim cause I don't live in the US. God forbid if I break the screen or anything happens, I'm completely on my own. Honestly I'm kind of fed up with Google and their crap. I'm one of their most loyal customers but they do not care about their customer base while they just want to grow pixel sales, which is contradictive.
Also there is the news of Marc Levoy leaving Google after he basically put them on the map, cause imo if the pixel phones had the same camera as other phones it wouldn't have sold more than a few hundred phones ever year. This news comes with a lot of concern, imo the camera quality didn't improve much in the last 4 years (Nexus 6p). Phones from the Nexus 6p are very comparable to photos from the pixel 3XL. Very slight improvements every year, while apple just closed the gap this year with the iPhone 11.
With the discounts of the 4XL only real difference is
1- get a mid range phone with good battery life and possibly no hardware issues cause they are not trying to reinvent the wheel with this one, like they do with the pixel line.
2- get the flagship pixel 4XL but gamble on screen quality and battery life. I have seen people on reddit saying that their pixel 4XL has worse screens than their pixel 2XL. The screen on the pixel 2xl is the worst thing on it! And was considered a con when it came out.
After realizing that both choices are bad, I'm starting to seriously consider jumping ship to apple with the upcoming iPhone 12pro. With apply I would certainly get what I pay for in terms of quality, still with a list of disadvantage. But I would get official support world wide, buying accessories won't be such a pain in my ass and most importantly camera quality is now debated to be on the same level as pixels if not better.
This got way longer than intended.
TL;DR: The only reason to get a pixel is to have one of the best cameras on a phone. Other than that it's all the same with android, more or less. Specially of you root get into custom roms.