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Sense 3.0

Just saw the New Sense 3.0 on the newly announced Sensation. Will our Desire S going to have a taste of that new UI?
Sent from my HTC Desire S

It depends on how the hardware can cope with the new sense. Probably, but not likely

So indeed the answer is no... Have a look at engadget website (I am not allowed to post links yet...)
"HTC Sense 3.0 will only support Sensation, EVO 3D, Flyer and newer devices, older hardware left behind"

Okay, I've already read the article. But what would be Android's next version? Will it have hardware specifics too?

titus1 said:
Okay, I've already read the article. But what would be Android's next version? Will it have hardware specifics too?
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The Desire S has 2.3.3 Gingerbread, which is currently the latest version of Android for phones. As for Ice Cream (of unknown numbering), there's no telling what hardware requirements Google may impose, so we won't know if Ice Cream will make its way to the Desire models.
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So indeed the answer is no... Have a look at engadget website (I am not allowed to post links yet...)
"HTC Sense 3.0 will only support Sensation, EVO 3D, Flyer and newer devices, older hardware left behind"
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That's not entirely true. In their first tweet, which everyone is quite well aware of, HTC said that Sense 3.0 won't be supported on their older models (including the Desire S) due to the limitations of their older hardware.
However, in a later tweet, which many people may have overlooked, they mentioned that while they can't port the whole Sense 3.0, they have been trying to port other improvements that aren't so performance-dependent to the older models.
As a result, while older hardware may not be able to run Sense 3.0 to the satisfaction of their QA division, there are other features that can be brought in. In fact, from the leaked HTC Desire Gingerbread ROM, we know that HTC is trying to bring, amongst other things, the very useful Fast Boot feature to the old HTC Desire. Fast Boot does not eat up additional CPU cycles or occupy extra RAM in order to realise its benefits, so it is an ideal candidate for them to bring to their older models without hampering their performance.
Lastly, if it helps you sleep better, rest assured that the developers at xda are working hard at porting the inevitable leaked ROMs to the old models, though the quality of the experience is anyone's guess.

The guys in the desire hd forum have a leaked sense 3.0 rom....stumbling block seems to be the screen resolution.
Im sure sense 3.0 will be unofficially supported on most of the 2010/2011 htc devices
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Whether it gets it officially is one question.
But this article shows that people are already trying Custom ROMS on the Desire HD with it.....so once our device is unlocked/rooted it will only be a matter of time
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/desire-hd-gets-the-first-ever-pyramid-port-yes-sense-3-0-too/

the hd2 with old outdated hardware even got the port. so clearly htc is lying abt compatability. they just want the new sense on their latest flagship phones so ppl will buy it.

The reason for haddware capability is that the sense takes up 3gb storage, the sensation has 4gb rom, but 1gb accessible; the 3gb is used up by the rom + sense
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olyloh6696 said:
the hd2 with old outdated hardware even got the port. so clearly htc is lying abt compatability. they just want the new sense on their latest flagship phones so ppl will buy it.
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This has been discussed ad nauseum on xda, but it always bears repeating to note that the HD2 is anything but outdated. A 1 GHz single-core processor and 512 MB RAM is a very common spec in the current range of phones. By the same yardstick, we would be calling the Galaxy S and HTC Desire 'outdated' as well.
I won't discount the possibility that they're doing this to increase the appeal of the Sensation, but let's keep in mind that Sense 3.0 has only some incremental updates. People won't go for the Sensation just for some cool 3D animations and a fancy lockscreen, and for the same reasons, a lot of us won't miss it too. Besides, they do need some differentiating factor for their flagship model that takes advantage of its hardware.

well the reason i consider the hd2 outdated hardware is that it has the 1st gen cpu snapdgragon, which has been suceeded by the mich more powerful effiecitne 2nd gen. S if htc ae limiting the update on the dhd for
'a weak hardware'(2nd gen cpu) than the hd2 (1st gen) gets the update working smooth
so clearly it isnt much of a hardware requirement!

I agree with you. There's nothing to stop us from running Sense 3.0 on our current phones, but to my knowledge, the Sense 3.0 port isn't always that smooth on the DHD, let alone the HD2. The obvious problems with screen resolution aside, it's true that it's working so far, but such tests have so far been done at a low level of activity (fresh boot), and without all the cached programs and background processes one would expect in a typical Android phone that is used on a daily basis. When you start factoring in the demands of placed upon a phone to complete everyday tasks, lags and other issues will start cropping up, especially with an interface as heavy as Sense 3.0.
I mean, you could run AutoCAD on your home desktop now, and it might even work with something simple like drawing a rectangle, but that doesn't mean it'll continue to work so smoothly when you're using it for a normal workload, like designing an automobile. Sounds somewhat exaggerated, I know, but hardware does matter where a smooth user experience is concerned.

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I agree with you. There's nothing to stop us from running Sense 3.0 on our current phones, but to my knowledge, the Sense 3.0 port isn't always that smooth on the DHD, let alone the HD2. The obvious problems with screen resolution aside, it's true that it's working so far, but such tests have so far been done at a low level of activity (fresh boot), and without all the cached programs and background processes one would expect in a typical Android phone that is used on a daily basis. When you start factoring in the demands of placed upon a phone to complete everyday tasks, lags and other issues will start cropping up, especially with an interface as heavy as Sense 3.0.
I mean, you could run AutoCAD on your home desktop now, and it might even work with something simple like drawing a rectangle, but that doesn't mean it'll continue to work so smoothly when you're using it for a normal workload, like designing an automobile. Sounds somewhat exaggerated, I know, but hardware does matter where a smooth user experience is concerned.
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good point. anyway, at the end of the day, it really depends what the user prefers; the latest best software to compromise for a slower, slightly laggy phone, or for the official updates.
IMO, i will be quite happy with what htc have to bring to the Desire S (their version of 3.0) I'm not to bothered about the fancy 3d spinning cubes, but i'd like the new lockscreen, and weather widgets (we should hopefully get the new weather thing as the WP7 HD7has it on a single core 1st Gen Snapdragon CPU)

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good point. anyway, at the end of the day, it really depends what the user prefers; the latest best software to compromise for a slower, slightly laggy phone, or for the official updates.
IMO, i will be quite happy with what htc have to bring to the Desire S (their version of 3.0) I'm not to bothered about the fancy 3d spinning cubes, but i'd like the new lockscreen, and weather widgets (we should hopefully get the new weather thing as the WP7 HD7has it on a single core 1st Gen Snapdragon CPU)
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Definitely. That's why we love xda. There's just so much choice and freedom to do what we want to our phone that suits our tastes. I hope the devs here manage to hack Sense 3.0 so that everyone can flash it to enjoy. I, on the other hand, have to be content with what Samsung gives me. Cheers.

[Q] What are the dev communities on HTC phones generally like?

I'm currently debating between this phone and the Galaxy Nexus. A "Sense"-ed phone is completely out of the question for me--I will run only Stock ICS or some other enhanced version--so I'm curious about HTC's history with unlocking bootloaders, issues people have had with other popular HTC phones, and how big everyone expects the dev community specifically for the AT&T One X to be.
Thanks in advance!

The new sense isn't too bad. Even sense 3.5 was much improved and simplified from previous versions. Sense 4 is honestly really well done. Don't base you opinion on the older, slower, and generally bloated versions.
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[Q] When philosophy matters

(this post is a bit long, if you want to read it fast go directly to my questions.)
Hi everyone,
I'm about to buy a phone in order to kind of "fix" myself on a device since I have owned seven phones in the last six months.
I'm considering many devices by many constructors but I would like to have other people opinion about the one to choose.
I'll try to make it short:
To give an idea of my questions right now I will go fast over the experience I had with the main devices I onwed recently.
THE FOLLOWING IS AN UNINTERESTING PART FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NO TIME TO LOOSE SO SKIP IT IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT A NOOB'S EXPERIENCE
Galaxy Nexus: fastboot is awesome, love the fact it is closer to Google but I was very disapointed when I learned that Samsung modifies even the Nexus's software, cm9 on it is as nice as fastboot. Screen drains to much battery and is not as beautiful as should be with such a high pixel density. Also suprisingly a bit laggy. Had to be sent to samsung it had a problem with the cpu...
Optimus 3D: the 3d is not a joke since it works but... Haven't had this device for long but I was unsatisfied with the stock rom (LG's main problem).
Motorolla Atrix: favorite device! Screen is as beautiful as GN on my opinion, with cm7 or 9 it becomes really nice on sftware too. Battery life is the best point of this device and the best I've had.
Optimus 2x: tried it for a few days, like the nvflash facility and the hardware capacity but only MIUI based on GB was a correct software for me, cm7's not too bad but cm9 is still very buggy.
Nexus S: for the hardware specs it is by far the best on software side, feels more solid than the gn. Battery is just average and speed is not really sufficient for my usage, expecially for switching apps on the stock ROM, cm9 or latest MIUI.
END OF THE UNINTERESTING PART (I hope)
So, here i am with experience from Samsung, Motorola and LG. Hardwarewise I have no problem with LG or Motorola but with Samsung it is less convincing.
Software, I would like to begin to develop for the next device I will get, I am an intermediate developper in Java and a decent Linux user. So it would be nice that the device has open drivers.
Here is my problem, I want to buy a device that I will keep for at least two years, I will try ArchlinuxARM and that kind of project with it.
My hesitation goes between the HTC Amaze 4G at 40$, the Galaxy Nexus at 50$ and the optimus 2x for free. I considered the sIII too but it will be 200$ and it is not worth it for me.
As I am not really confident with the durability of the GN, my mind is more with the Amaze for now but I only tried it in a store with, of course, the stock ROM. The 2x is like the less interesting option, I think.
>>> HERE ARE MY QUESTIONS! <<<
Am I right to think that the HTC Amaze 4G has tougher hardware?
Are the drivers open source or are they going to be soon? I read somewhere on the forum that people were asking HTC to release the sources, is it likely to happen?
What is the state of the ics based ROMs for the Amaze? Stable? Fluid? Comparated with cm9 nightlies on the GN?
Why the * is the Galaxy Nexus laggy?????????????? This device is supposed to be Google's flagship actually but, you know, it is just not as fluid as I think it should be.
The title of this topic is talking about philosophy, it is because I care about the constructor's philosophy. I mean, do you think that one of Samsung or LG or HTC is producing better hardware and/or is easier to fix at home? Do you think one of them is a bit less likely to produce with programmed obsolescence in mind?
Thank you for reading this loong post!
Thank you even more for giving me your opinion!

HTC will only be releasing the source for the kernel. All the other drivers for non Nexus phones are and always will be closed source. If you want to really develop with open source then your best bet is a Nexus.
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This is actually quite sad that big companies like that don't participate more into open source software. I understand easily why M$ doesn't but it is harder to understand why the hardware manufacturers don't help the community...
Oh wait I just understood! Other companies that have even worse ROMs than HTC would be able to use their ideas.
I still think that it will change someday in the future. It cant continue like this indefinitely while more and more people learn about thé existence of open source and how better it can be than closed source.
But now I thought I had made a decision and that messes my mind once again I know now that thé Nexus series is the only way to be fully open source but there still is the point of hardware durability and that is somehow mlre important since it stays easier to use and develop for a phone that works!
What about the amount of hardware defects on one and the other?
My GN was overheating a lot, does the Amaze has this problem too?
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[GUIDE] Buying an Android Device, Do I need a New One?

In todays fast moving technology world, everyone is intrigued to buy new devices. And this norm is fumed by innumerous manufacturers by releasing products at an insane rate. You have got too many choices and only think to wonder is how much you can afford to pay. Sometimes taking loans is common or simply you take a contract with a provider and regret there is nothing you can do to change your phone afterwards.
Every other day, new features are coming to devices and you wish you had just waited a month to buy the other phone.
Buying the every latest devices is not very wise as you spend alot of your money for just one or two extra features.
SOME CONSIDERATIONS
You must know that in todays phone era, the hardware has gone a long way in comparison with software. My point isnot that software is developing at a slower pace but simply that most of phones available today might never use their full potential in terms of hardware ever. Android Software is going more smooth and promises further improvements even on low end devices. With KITKAT 4.4, Android has gone into a surge to speed up system by 50% and that's just the beginning.
Most of manufacturers are working hard on ONLY hardware. Even phones released two years ago are doing very well till date. If you look into software department and games, you can still play all of latest games on these devices very smoothly. I will give you examples of HTC sensation/Incredible S, Samsung Nexus, SII or any other phone of that time with almost similar hardware. I have checked MC4/Fifa 14/Asphlat 8 personally on all of these devices.
I think to update my Nexus 7 2013 in 2015 and my Nexus 4 Next year (October 2014) while Xperia L around when it is required. Following this scheme I always have the latest device with me and I also do not spend a lot of money. (700-800 British Pounds every three year, considering that I am a Medicine Student and under a lot of loan already). Also what is more to look is that my old devices are still doing a great job. I recently installed CM 10.2(JB 4.3) on my HTC Sensation and it runs just as smooth as Nexus 4/Xperia L for the matter. The software is stable and I can play HD games on 786MB RAM only.
Another point to note is that KitKat 4.4 has only been released for about a week now and I am using 4.3 on my two year old HTC sensation using Custom ROM is simply too cool.
So I WARN you that you need to be smart to buy a new phone rather than spending alot of money on every new phone and never utilising its full potential.
ASK YOURSELF
The most important point you need to consider is WHY EXACTLY YOU WANT TO BUY A NEW PHONE? WHERE your old phone canot be utilised that you must upgrade it.
What would you utilise it for in the LONG RUN? HOW LONG YOU INTEND TO USE IT. WHAT ARE SOME SPECIFIC FEATURES THAT YOU ARE LOOKING INTO BEFORE BUYING.
I know for many looks of a device counts. You want your device to be COOL and feel great in your hand. I agree to the matter but certainly you should never compromise LOOKS with actual performance and hardware. Benchmarks are just a bunch of lies and in real use, they do differ alot and cannot be fully trusted.
I personally give a lot of stress to your HARDWARE and your SCREEN SIZE.
At the moment we are into Octa Core era but have you ever actually thought that if your phone ever used all of these cores at once? I think even Quad Core processors are not fully utilised. Many HD games still just utilise dual core and the rest are off. So in real, many games are not fully using your full phone potential as lack of support from developers or lack of customization to utilise all cores/hardware ! Don't you feel trolled?
Windows phone is fast growing platform but it still lacks a lot what Android offers on the table. I prefer Android over Windows phone any day!
(That's another debate! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45932842&postcount=14)
If you just want a simple phone for calls and texts and emails and limited apps, I WILL SIMPLY TELL YOU TO USE WP8 or if you just want to call and text NOKIA 3310 (or any in the sequence) shall suit you.
So going for Quardcores (now i think its justified but if all cores are optimized in every application)/Octacores/64bits is just rubbage and you are just tricked out of money when you have something very latest but developers havenot made anything that it can utilise. So if you are considering a phone to use for next two years, I believe a recognised company's quardcore would be more than enough. A change to this trend in future is inevitable but not enough uptill now to run for the latest device. (Remember Mediatek Octacore can not win from Qualcomm Quadcore, so consider which company to choose)
RAM is very important and I believe this should not be compromised. Many phones will do just great on 1gb ram but I will prefer a 2gb ram if my phone is to be used for two or more years.
GPU This is something really tricky which might FORCE anyone to buy a phone with higher GPU. GPU takes a part of ram and its function is to compute 3D functions and thus is mostly utilised in GAMES. So if you are a gamer, I will suggest you to buy a phone with latest GPU rather than an old one. Xperia L/Xperia P/ Xperia M all share almost the same price. However, Xperia P is an old device while Xperia L is recent. Thus, Xperia L will give alot better performance and more smoothness to your ROM comparatively to Xperia P because it can handle graphics better due to its latest GPU.
SCREENSIZE I personally prefer any device bigger than 4 inch display. 3.5 is just too small for your fingers and 5 is just to big for me. For me, 4.3 to 4.7 is just perfect as not only it is big enough to read/games/emails but also gives you enough for big hands.
Remember to always BUY A DEVICE WHICH IS DEVELOPERS FRIENDLY. You won't find much ROMS for HTC Amaze although it has almost the same specification as HTC sensation.
CORTEX CONSIDERATION When you are buying any phone, we usually just consider the clock speed of processor and usually ignore the technology on which the processor is build on. The processors which are currently being available in the market are Cortex A5, A7, A9, A12 and A15. What does this mean? Consider it this way, it shows the technology they are build upon and using. The Cortex A5 is oldest which cortex A15 is latest.
Lately 64 bits have also being introduced A53 & A57. These out perform the previous ones!
If you are wondering how does this make a difference, well take this as an example : A device running a dual core Cortex A9 1 Ghz would run faster than a dual core Cortex A5 clocked at 1.5 Ghz. This is because as the technology is growing, the architecture of the chips are also changing to improve their performance. As the Cortex A9 uses new architecture, thus many improvements have been made to enhance the device performance. ( Xperia U used 1ghz A9 with 512 Ram whilst Samsung Galaxy Star uses 1Ghz A5 with 512 Ram as well but if you talk about their performance, there is a lot of difference between the two. I have personally used both of them) So always consider a device with higher cortex if you can afford to!
REMOVABLE BATTERY is important for those who want to easily swap batteries or want to use their phones for long period of time. This is just a big draw back for me as I keep three devices and I update each one annually so this means that I need to change my nexus after using it for around 2 years to 3 years. In this time, I need to change my battery as battery does get worn out and damaged. But I just can not easily do that.
You might be wondering, the new ROMS are not available. Well actually they are but custom made. If you check out Android development of these phones, you will be surprised that many developers are giving their best to just work hard on new ROMS and they are all great.
At times you just need to do little tweaks.(Some games aren't available on specific models but those devices are capable of running them very smoothly. Tweaks help in these matters)
Another thing one of my friend asked me to add was about support from different manufacturers to their devices! Well, every company has a different policy of releasing updates for their phones according to their price tag (Flashship, mid end, low end phones). So make sure you consider what is their possibility of being updated to newer version of android if you are looking for STOCK roms coming directly from manufacturers. Samsung for the fact is releasing phones every single day and I think, you can not expect support for its low end phones at all whilst one update for mid ranges and few more high ends/flash ship phones.
Sony on the other hand is always slow with updates but provides open source code at times if it doesnot plan to update the android version.
Motorola starts to amaze me with its policy to update even the lower end phones to Android Lollipop and in my opinion Moto updates the android version more frequently and much quicker than any other manufacturer.
Usually the support is around ONE year to ONE and half year max for Flagship phones; SIX months - ONE year for mid-range phones whilst ZERO to FEW BUG fixing updates for lower end phones!
However, If you got a carrier phone like VODA, AT&T etc, you are pretty much struck with your PROVIDER rather than manufacturer for that fact! Usually these phones come with locked bootloaders which are a tough nut to crack, and thus you can only flash ROMs which are made for LOCKED BOOTLOADERS. Thus, if you can afford it, you should buy a contract free phone straight from manufacturer. This will allow you more freedom to customise your phone to your advantage by flashing ROMS, kernels, mods etc! However, it will simply be useless to a person who is not ready to take the risks!
Android Platform
Android Platform is growing very rapidly and new improvements have been introduced with every new build. I think the only issue now Android is still struggling with is battery life in standby mode which although has been improved quite considerably with Android Lollipop but I think it still needs some work in the future which I am sure Google is looking into very closely.
I think this is enough for you to decide if you really need to buy a phone or not.
GOOD LUCK!

Updates :
Added the following in the guide
*Oems
*Generally how long a phone is updated according to it's class (Flagship, low end or mid range phone)
*Considering the advantage of using newer architecture of processor (Cortex)
*Disadvantages of carrier phones
Any suggestions be welcomed!
PLANNED UPDATES :
What to look for in a phone if you are a Gamer, Text & Call person, Mobile Cinema addict, Internet Browsing Freak etc
Edit it more to be organised and easy to access headings for skimming through

What devices do you use?

@Hnk1, well said.
I am still using my good old HTC Touch HD (Blackstone), now upgraded to WM 6.5, and it is still running great. Gives me more than a couple of days on a single battery charge.

You should mention that some OEMs, like LG, like to pump out flagships phones every 3 month that means that your phone, from LG will not get alot of SW support.
That said, other OEMs have the same philosophy for mid range to low end devices. I am talking about official support, Some devices are lucky and get Custom rom support but then, custom roms are more often than not a compromise and not a solution as they have and always will have bugs.
You cannot have up to date phones, with removable batteries and the best experience. Its a world of compromise, as it is nearly for everything else.

Thanks! Hnk1..
This guide is very is helpful ..

thnx

Thanks. Its very useful

xyz121 said:
Great guide man, Thanks!
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Revontheus said:
What devices do you use?
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chan.sk said:
@Hnk1, well said.
I am still using my good old HTC Touch HD (Blackstone), now upgraded to WM 6.5, and it is still running great. Gives me more than a couple of days on a single battery charge.
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You should mention that some OEMs, like LG, like to pump out flagships phones every 3 month that means that your phone, from LG will not get alot of SW support.
That said, other OEMs have the same philosophy for mid range to low end devices. I am talking about official support, Some devices are lucky and get Custom rom support but then, custom roms are more often than not a compromise and not a solution as they have and always will have bugs.
You cannot have up to date phones, with removable batteries and the best experience. Its a world of compromise, as it is nearly for everything else.
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TwinEdge said:
Thanks! Hnk1..
This guide is very is helpful ..
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thereefour777 said:
thnx
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Lukadevilu said:
Thanks. Its very useful
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The guide is updated! Added OEMS and carriers briefly. Also, I added little debate about WP vs Android. People's opinion could be different so I respect that! The whole debate is here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2450502&page=1
Secondly, I am glad the guide was a help to all of you! Keep sharing so more people can benefit from it!
I use alot of devices and I borrow many devices from my friends and family to experiment with them! At the moment I am using Xperia L, Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 2013. Other phones are either exchanged, sold to buy a new one, lent so they keep changing time to time as they are for development/experimenting purposes only!

Nice guide.

Lord of the Droids said:
Nice guide.
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I'm glad you liked it

Advice PLZ: NEXUS 5x or MOTO X Pure or OTHER?

Hello XDA,
I am looking for a bit of advice as I will be buying a new smartphone as soon as I can figure out what to get. I was quite interested in the Nexus 5x, however it seems to have a number of shortcomings(No SD...Kind of important to me!). I am currently debating between the 5x and the MOTO X PURE. I've never been a spec junkie, rather I have been concerned with UX. I am curious if the 2G LPDDR3 and SD801 of the N5x will hold up against the current LPDDR3 3G & LPDDR4 4G found in current "Flagships".Many here may hate me off the bat for saying this; but up until the iPhone 4 I was a faithful customer. I appreciate a well made and integrated package. That is something many Android devices lack IMO. However after my i4 I switched to android as needing to jailbreak was a PITA and I have,for the most part, loved it! Furthermore; I wish there were still WebOS options! Too bad it crashed and burned! I've never understood "Fan Boys".
At any rate I need a new phone. Currently I'm using a POS HTC Desire 510 w/ Raptor ROM as it will not function w/ the desensed dragonROM anymore(I HATE SENSE!!!). I am looking for a device that will last me 2 years with the latest android release. I'd like something snappy and likely to be supported by future ROMs(Love CM). My budget is around $400 and I am inclined to go with the 5x, however I have seen many better offerings available at the same price or less(OnePlus 2).
I generally like to use CM(as mentioned above) and a few XPOSED Modules. I generally use my Phone for: Web Browsing, Audio, YouTube, Camera, Reading and of course Phone Calls. I also use some Network Utilities, but that's about it.
The N5x's 2Gb of RAM and lack of SD Card scares me(I will only get the 16GB ver.) as does the Moto's non-existent MM ROMs. I am looking for something that will last for the next 2 years with current ROMs available. My other concern is security. There is a plethora of malware for Android and at the very least I'd like a device that can stay up to date. ANY ADVICE XDA?

We already have a thread for such discussion.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
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