Hello,
I was thinking of getting a shield tablet but I have some questions about the different types of games available and their keyboard/mouse support. I have read a lot, but unfortunatelly I have some things that are not clear for me.
1. If I buy a bluetooth keyboard/mouse, I can use these only while using game streaming ? Or can I also use them for the android apps ( ex: the talos principle )
2. There are 2 different types of streaming games, right ?; One is from their cloud servers and one is from your computer through geforce experience ( I have the 770GTX so streaming should be ok ) ?
3. I have a Unitymedia combo modem/router that can not be set in bridge mode. Does this mean I cannot stream from my computer, but I can stream from their cloud servers if I have the membership that costs the 8 euroes/month ?
4. If I connect the tablet to the TV with a miniHDMI cable will I have input lag ? For instance if I connect my laptop to the TV I have some lag; I move the mouse and the cursor moves on the screen in about 200ms later. Should I look for a more "special" miniHDMI cable to avoid this latency problem ?
5. Can I use for multiplayer local coop games the controller for one person and the keyboard/mouse for another ?
Thanks for your time !
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Hi all,
Since HC3.1 starts supporting gaming controllers, what other native games (non-emulator) have you found working with your PS3/XBox controller with your TF ?
Here's the working list for PS3 via USB
1) Cordy
2) Gem Miner: Dig deeper (R d-pad or analog to move, L3 to deploy ladder)
3) Pinball by Magma Mobile games (Map-able keys but only runs on potrait mode)
4) Amageddonoid (Fully functional but small screen play)
5) Grave Digger Full & Free (DPad to control, Circle to dig)
6) Battle Bears Lite - Xperia play (Playable - Almost all keys working need to investigate further)
7) Zenonia 2 (All except special binded actions doesn't work; need to press on screen to activate - fair I guess)
I'm testing and will update here of my findings, please contribute if you had found any. Your best bet is to look for games that had been optimized for Xperia Play gamepad (or just Xperia Play).
Quick side Q on this...
Was anyone able to get their X360/PS3 pad working wirelessly? With the x360, you'd need to USB-to-PC receiver, and I have one but wasn't able to get it going. Otherwise, maybe the PS3 one would work wirelessly?
I also tried my Play N Charge cable for my x360 controller, but that didn't work either (reported that said cable does not supply data, only current).
So, I guess what I'm asking is...Is the only way to get X360/PS3 controllers working is if you wire them into the USB port on the dock? If it's an X360 pad, of course you would need a traditional wired version I also assume.
Failing these pads, I'm still going to try to get a Datel Retro Wii Classic Wireless pad, but they're sold out everywhere!
(didn't mean to bring this off-topic, but to answer your Q, I can only backup your report of Cordy. It works for me with my WiiMote)
I've only played Cordy with a controller, and it didn't seem to like my USB Saturn pad. Considering that 3.1 is brand new, I doubt developers have been given enough time to start adding support for gamepads, and even then I'm still not even sure if it will be a popular feature. The Acer Iconia is the only Honeycomb tablet that has a standard USB port on the tablet itself, while the Transformer requires the keyboard dock and the Xoom needs an adapter, and the Galaxy Tab 10.1 doesn't even support an adapter.
I think gamepad support is going to be isolated to emulators for a while, at least until a major developer decides to build a high-profile game that is best played with a controller. But even then there's the issue of building a game around the requirement that the consumer go out and buy a third party accessory. Consumers are historically stubborn and lazy, and will often refuse to purchase extra peripherals for gaming systems if they can get away with using the included controls on the system.
PCs don't often see ports of high profile console games because the developers lose a lot of sales by trying to force the consumers to buy an extra game controller to play their game, and those that plan on doing without expect that the developers are going to make the game playable on keyboard/mouse anyway. The same principle would apply to tablets and phones, wherein consumers are going to expect to be able to play all games simply by using the accelerometer and touch screen. It's tough to sell a game that needs extra peripherals, especially when you don't have the support of a major game company like Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony. Using existing gamepads is a great feature, but there's no way to enforce the usage of one particular gamepad unless someone offers a game and gamepad together in a single bundle.
Only time will tell if gamepads are going to become more popular on Android.
scar45 said:
Quick side Q on this...
Was anyone able to get their X360/PS3 pad working wirelessly? With the x360, you'd need to USB-to-PC receiver, and I have one but wasn't able to get it going. Otherwise, maybe the PS3 one would work wirelessly?
I also tried my Play N Charge cable for my x360 controller, but that didn't work either (reported that said cable does not supply data, only current).
So, I guess what I'm asking is...Is the only way to get X360/PS3 controllers working is if you wire them into the USB port on the dock? If it's an X360 pad, of course you would need a traditional wired version I also assume.
Failing these pads, I'm still going to try to get a Datel Retro Wii Classic Wireless pad, but they're sold out everywhere!
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I use my keyboard dock for all USB devices, so I can't comment on the wireless capabilities for 360/PS3 controllers. I do know though that Datel's wireless Wii controller is available directly from the Codejunkies website.
Edit: I just noticed the controller is out of stock. That makes me sad.
I noticed that the controller maps to the direction keys as well. For example, I remember trying to use the controller to scroll to the next home screen in launcher pro. Hence if there are games that uses the direction keys on an android device that has keyboard (i.e. G1), there may be chance that we can use controller to control the game instead.
Btw, I mean it's wired controlled, not wireless...
We all know that the SHIELD is meant to play. But there are some things i would like to know about.
1) Do i can use the same apps i use on tablets and smartphones? You know, social networks, office suites, google drive, MX Player, wikipedia and others? Will i need some kind of workaround?
2) Is it possible to connect a keyboards, mouses, USB sticks and USB HUBs through a OTG cable?
3) Does the streaming works with most Windows games or select games only? The games can only be streamed through WAN, right?
4) Is it possible to install APKs? I want it for testing the apps i am developing.
5) Does it feature a accelerometer for certain games (Like Infinite Flight) or some kind of way to emulate it?
6) Is it possible to play games that use MOGA controllers? (Asphalt 8, Block Story)
7) Is there some app i can use for stream the Xbox 360 to Shield?
8) How much i can play while not in charge?
Thank you.
1) Do i can use the same apps i use on tablets and smartphones? You know, social networks, office suites, google drive, MX Player, wikipedia and others?
They all work
2) Is it possible to connect a keyboards, mouses, USB sticks and USB HUBs through a OTG cable?
From what I've heard, yes.
3) Does the streaming works with most Windows games or select games only? The games can only be streamed through WAN, right?
Controller compatible only, unless you launch it through the Steam browser, functionality is not guaranteed. Yes, WLAN.
4) Is it possible to install APKs? I want it for testing the apps i am developing.
Yes, same as any Android device.
5) Does it feature a accelerometer for certain games (Like Infinite Flight) or some kind of way to emulate it?
?
6) Is it possible to play games that use MOGA controllers? (Asphalt 8, Block Story)
Yes, if the controller is not supported by default, you can download custom mapping made by users by long pressing the "start/play" button.
7) Is there some app i can use for stream the Xbox 360 to Shield?
I... I would think it's feasible... You would need a fast capture card, really fast,, like no delay, and a USB prog device for the system.
8) How much i can play while not in charge?
I've gone 5-6 hours running 3D intensive games and about 7-8 hours running regular apps with maybe some music.
Doodle210 said:
5) Does it feature a accelerometer for certain games (Like Infinite Flight) or some kind of way to emulate it?
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Infinite flight requires you to tilt your devices to the sides and or upside down like you were actually controlling a airplane.
Also, Racing Games like Asphalt 8 makes you tilt your devices to the sides to turn the car.
Does NVIDIA Shield supports this kind of games? Is there someway i can emulate this through the keymapper?
Anyway. I still have more questions.
9) Does the Shield work with USB 3G/4G Modems? Can i use modems with SD card readers?
10) Do i can use Bluetooth/USB keyboard and mouse for using the OS (Navigation, youtube, facebook, others)? Do i need
11) Do can i use keymapper with external controllers (Like MOGA or Xbox 360)?
12) Is there some way i can charge the Shield while using a USB HUB? Is it worthful?
13) Is the screen good enough for reading/editing documents?
14) The HDMI cable must be mini or can it be normal HDMI?
15) What is the maximum SD Card storage size?
Marcos de Castro said:
Anyway. I still have more questions.
9) Does the Shield work with USB 3G/4G Modems? Can i use modems with SD card readers?
It does work with my mom's 4g modem. I'd think so if it works for other Android devices... That's just wireless storage correct? If so, then yes.
10) Do i can use Bluetooth/USB keyboard and mouse for using the OS (Navigation, youtube, facebook, others)? Do i need
I've seen people connect a mouse to the Shield, never a keyboard... I never tried BT though but am certain it will work.
11) Do can i use keymapper with external controllers (Like MOGA or Xbox 360)?
You can connect those controllers, I think (not sure) you can use Nvidias settings to use external controllers.
12) Is there some way i can charge the Shield while using a USB HUB? Is it worthful?
Mine charges when I have my external USB port plugged in via USB and power connections, when the power is cut it won't charge, just sends and receives data.
13) Is the screen good enough for reading/editing documents?
I read PDF's and manga all the time on this thing, most of my college texts books I read of here. DO NOT BUY BOOKS FROM THE AMAZON MARKET PLACE (Kindle books)!!! MOST DO NOT WORK, sadly... Ended up spending $140 for some E-books and wasn't even able to get a refund.
14) The HDMI cable must be mini or can it be normal HDMI?
Mini-HDMI to HDMI/Composite
15) What is the maximum SD Card storage size?
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64GB is the biggest MSD there is... Isn't it?_?
Marcos de Castro said:
Infinite flight requires you to tilt your devices to the sides and or upside down like you were actually controlling a airplane.
Also, Racing Games like Asphalt 8 makes you tilt your devices to the sides to turn the car.
Does NVIDIA Shield supports this kind of games? Is there someway i can emulate this through the keymapper?
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Yes, it works pretty good too.
Does the Shield support HTML5 Gampegad + DeviceOrientation + DeviceMotion APIs
Hi,
Can someone with a shield please tell me if gamepad api works on Chrome and FireFox, it would be kind of daft if it doesn't.
Could you also please check device orientation and device motion works ( I tried to add links, but it wouldn't let me sorry!!) their are websites for testing these easily found on Google
If these work then I'll get one,
Thanks
p-giggles said:
Hi,
Can someone with a shield please tell me if gamepad api works on Chrome and FireFox, it would be kind of daft if it doesn't.
Could you also please check device orientation and device motion works ( I tried to add links, but it wouldn't let me sorry!!) their are websites for testing these easily found on Google
If these work then I'll get one,
Thanks
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It's only 200 Dollars. If it is going to hurt you that bad to spend that amount of money then you don't really need one do you? If it turns out you don't like it you can turn around and sell it on ebay for near the original 200 you paid. The average selling price on ebay for new, near new is still 175 to 200 dollars. Used you can still get 150 to 175 dollars. So you really have nothing to loose by buying one.
Hey guys, what's up?
Shield lovers will most likely dislike this, as i want to use the shield also as a tablet without leaving gaming.
I am interested in both TF701 and Shield.
The TF701 mainly by the fact of the dock with QWERTY Keyboard, SD Card reader and USB port.
The Shield by the keymapper, optimized for gaming device, PC Streaming and performance.
I can only buy one of them, and obviously, the SHIELD is faster than the TF701 due to the screen resolution (trying to not worry with the screen resolution) while also being cheaper...
Then, i have some questions:
Q = Question
R = Reason
Turning the Shield into a Ghetto TF701:
Q: Am i able to turn the Shield into a laptop by using a keyboard and mouse (both bluetooth) at the same time? (no trackpad, real mouse separated from the keyboard)
R: Want to use it to play keyboard and mouse-required/optimized games, such as Flash games and ID Software games, like Quake series, Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Doom, while also depending less of the touchscreen.
Q: Does Google Play on this device is exclusively for games or they also accept other apps, like office suite apps and Instant messaging apps?
R: I want to replace my old tablet for work, chat and others.
Q: Is the screen resolution, density and size good enough to read and edit office documents, e-mails, using Facebook and Steam, web browsing and others?
R: I want to depend a bit less of my desktop to pay less on the power usage and for when i somehow travel in specific places.
Q: How long is the battery duration in gaming, streaming and normal app usage? Turning some games graphics on medium saves more battery?
R: I want to use the tablet for at least 5 hours in gaming and app usage, in case the lights goes off or i travel in a long distance.
Turning the Shield into a Ghetto Android AIO:
Q: As i am planning to turn the Shield on a HDMI Television, do i need to put the bluetooth keyboard and mouse exactally in front of them or i can let them a bit far of the device (at least 25 centimeters)
R: Turning the Shield on a 24 inch TV would be nice to do certain stuff.
Q: Is there some problem to use the Shield on the HDMI while charging? What are my limitations?
R: I want the shield to be my second desktop, but i am afraid of having shorter battery duration later.
Turning the Shield into a Ghetto Steam Machine and having retro gaming:
Q: Am i able to play on the Shield while charging and with the HDMI cable on?
R: I want the shield to be a desk console but i am afraid of having shorter battery duration later.
Q: Am i able to use bluetooth joypads on it? Can i use the keymapper on them?
R: I really would like to use the shield like if it were a real desk console.
Q: Is the shield compatible with the latest console emulators, such as Dolphin and PPSSPP?
R: I am curious to know about them on Android.
Turning the Shield into a Media Center:
Q: How long the battery lasts while watching movies in 1080P? And in 720P?
R: I want to buy movies on stores (Google Play, Amazon) and watch on the highest resolution possible.
Q: Am i able to use a USB SD Card Reader on it with a OTG cable?
R: I want to separate my Shield`s SD Card on games and music and use a separate card on a USB reader to watch movies.
Others:
Q: What is the maximum size allowed on the Shield`s SD Card port?
R: I plan to buy a 128GB Micro SD Card (Sandisk, yes it is real) and i want to use it at least partitioned.
Q: Am i able to dual boot Android and other linux based OS, such as Arch?
R: I know it is possible to use Linux on Shield, though i want to discover other Linux distros on ARM while also having Android on it.
Q: Am i able to use External 4G (or at least 3G) USB Modem and USB Ethernet adapter?
R: Want to navigate on the web when there is no Wi-Fi avaliable or use the Ethernet cable on some cases for faster web usage.
Phew. I guess that`s all for now.
Hope i can buy the shield in place of the TF701.
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PPSSPP I understand works well, but I have never got it to work.
Dolphin is still alpha? and has a lot of bugs.
IMO after every update the Shield gets worse. Currently there are very few game that are worth playing for android that support the Shield.
To be honest I am seriously thinking about selling mine as it just sits here being a paper weight. I have not even turned the thing on for months.
I see more use out of SteamOS being more use full then an Nvidia Shield.
There are also many "book sized" PCs that will do more then a Shield for the same price or a little bit more.
Hello,
First sorry for my bad English and for my deficiencies in technological knowledge !!
I would like to buy a Nvidia Shield TV Box as a successor to my old Android TV Box (=K-R42 Quad Core Google Android TV Box).
For streaming (playing) games i need a faster internet connection but thats my problem because my (inconstant) internet speed is about 10 to 20 Mbit/s.
So is it possible to "download" the game FIFA16 (for example) to an external hard disk (which is connected to the USB 3.0 port) and then to play it from there ?
Thanks and best regards ?
No is not. You can install some emulators and play games, but you're talking about a games that is brand new and there's not an emulator to play it.
Another option you have is to install it on your PC and then stream the game to the SHIELD using GeForce Experience.
But playing the game directly from the HD us not possible.
I have had my Quest for a week now and I absolutely love it!
One question:
I have a few very decent Bluetooth gamepads – however in the app when I go in and click controllers, then it has the option to pair new device – it gives me the option to pair a left or right controller, and it also has the ability to pair a gamepad….however when I click to scan it does not show any of my gamepads even though they are all in pairing mode.
Whats the point in having the option if it doesnt see any bluetooth gamepads?
what other gamepads are there that you can add? is there a specific one i have to buy specifically for the quest?
the reason i ask is that i have sideloaded moonlight, and ALVR in order to stream PC VR games to play them as if it were a rift - but wirelessly, and i have also set up moonlight to stream normal pc games in theatre mode
with moonlight i can only play them locally as the xbox pad is paired with the pc - but if i can pair a gamepad with the quest then i can playthe games remotely