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I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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By not being incredibly picky. The phone wasn't cheap, so before I signed a contract, I made sure I was happy with every aspect of the phone. While I do agree it's pixelated, and that my Sensation had slightly better quality, I am incredibly happy with the screen. I'm rarely centimeters away from the screen so I can live with it especially because the color reproduction is amazing.
gszabi said:
I just want to know if you satisfied with the One S pentile matrix screen. I have a Sam S2 and recently bought a One S (S3 chipset) and i noticed the lcd is very pixelated (if its a real word, sry for my English) compared with the S2's screen. Its not too bad but noticeable and a bit disappointing. How you live with this?
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I think you just get used to it after a while. I couldn't stand the screen when I first got the phone, It stopped me using it regularly because I just used to get annoyed at the screen! (sad I know) But now I don't even think about the screen because I'm so used to it. I came from the Desire S which had a S-LCD display and a 480x800 display so that was a very good screen considering it was only 3.7 inches! I found the amoled colours of the one s to be extremely saturated. I didn't like the yellowish/blueish whites and the fact that every time you slightly changed the angle of the screen the colours would turn slightly blue. Text looked pixelated especially on a white background, that doesn't help considering a key part of sense 4 settings is all white background. It took me a good month to get used to the screen and 3 months in, I'm used to it Possibly getting the Nexus 4 soon so doubt I'll have much longer with this phone anyway.
Sorry for the little off topic might pickup a one s didn't want to start a new thread...
I saw the one s at my local fido store and damn its so snappy even whit sense !! But i tried the one x and it was somewhat slower is this normal ? Flicking through homescreens just werent the same..
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I did notice it some when I first got it, but I really don't anymore at all, and like was said above, I'm never close enough to my display to really notice it. I think the screen is incredible, as is every other aspect of the phone. I LOVE my One S.
I thought it would annoy me, but the phone was free so I decided to bite the bullet. I've had the phone 6 months now, and I really don't notice it at this point.
I love the one S display, sure the screen isn't as sharp as the GN, GS 3 and one X etc. and you don't get as much screen real estate but everything else is just as good, if not better:
- one of the best screens in sun light, don't even have to put my screen above 70% brightness in direct sun light in order to be able to make stuff out easily and this is on a darkish background too, MUCH better than the GN and GS 2 in this area
- colour reproduction is superb, my screen is pretty much perfect, whites are super white, brighter white than my dell u2311h, iirc a review site stated that the screen is better calibrated than the GS 3 SAMOLED screen
- no tinting at all on mine, usually with AMOLED screens you get a blue or yellow tint, which is noticeable at angles on whites but not on mine (this varies with every single screen though)
- of course blacks are black and the viewing angles are superb
- high contrast ratio etc. so games and videos look great
I only notice the pentile when looking at white text on black backgrounds and a few icons, but only when I really look for it and have my face pretty close to the screen. I find the one S screen to be sharper overall compared to the GS 2 screen.
I have had the one S beside the GS 2, GN and GS 3 and personally I didn't like the GS 2 screen at all, res. is too low so things are huge (felt like an old man using a phone designed for people with poor eye sight ), colours are far too saturated/warm. The GN screen is nice and sharp but the colours aren't saturated enough, rather dull over all and plus both phones are poor in comparison to the S for view ability in the sunshine. The GS 3 screen is great, better than the GN, however, I think the one S screen looks better for colours.
Anandtech more or less summed up my thoughts:
What’s different, however, is how well HTC has controlled the color temperature and gamma compared to Motorola in the RAZR. As shown in the HCFR galleries below, gamma is pretty close to 2.2 until you get to the high end, and color temperature is pretty close to 6500K, except at the two darkest grey points. This is so much better than any other OEM calibration of an AMOLED panel I’ve taken a look at, which is rather humorous because the panel is undoubtably Samsung’s. HTC is also letting the panel go pretty bright, up past 350 nits, instead of clamping it way down around 200 (I’m looking at you, Galaxy Nexus) to save power. I also haven’t noticed blacks not being totally off on the One S like I have with some others. Of course, colors are still massively oversaturated if your source color space is sRGB.
I’ve griped about PenTile RGBG before on this panel and other SAMOLED displays, but I find the One S to be completely enjoyable in spite of having it thanks to two things. First, how well HTC has controlled the panel (no awful hues, weird white points, or dramatic shifts as you change brightness) - this is basically the best I’ve seen this particular panel, and until SGS3, the best I’ve seen AMOLED in general. Second, because HTC doesn’t appear to be applying any processing that applies sharpening (like Samsung’s mDNIe) to text.
How you feel about PenTile really is the final factor: it’s there, but I’ve slowly become accustomed to it after staring at it for so long. If you go back to the Nexus S days, I was one of the most outspoken critics because of how large those subpixels were. With small enough subpixels (below visual acuity), PenTile starts to make sense. In other news, HTC moving back to Samsung AMOLED for phones is an interesting move after supply issues forced HTC to SLCD with some earlier phones, here on the HTC One S however, it looks great.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/6
My solution: Get old. You probably can't see all the minute issues you guys think matter, and you don't really care if you do. Every phone I've ever had has had a better screen than the previous and I think that's pretty nice.
I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.
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I hate the screen, drives me nuts. I found that using a theme that mostly uses blacks and whites makes it more bearable though.
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Have to agree. Thing is apart from the screen it's a fantastic phone. It's so fast, battery life is great and the camera is great. I don't even think the screen would be that bad if it wasn't pentile it's just the fact that it's a pentile display it makes the phone look way more pixelated than it should be
I think I need to go to specsavers, I've never noticed a problem with the screen.
The screen on this is amazing. Don't notice any pixellation whilst on it . It's quite an improvement over my old Wildfires QVGA 3.5 inch 240x320 TFT display.
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If you switched from Wildfire you cant see this but if you had any phone in the alike pixel density and resolution you can see the difference. According to others opinion its not bad, the perfect color saturation, contrast etc will eliminate the bad feeling about those subpixels.
HTC does calibrate their screens nicely
I suppose it depends on what you're used to. When you come from an iPhone or high-end LCD-screen you probably will get annoyed with this display. However, when this is your first touchscreen smartphone or when you had a smartphone with a low-end display before this one, you will probably be able to cope with the slight pixilation.
Personally, even with this being my first touchscreen smartphone and coming from an E72 with a PPI of about 170, the display of this device would be the only reason for me to buy a One X or Nexus 4. That being said; you don't buy a smartphone solely for its display, you buy it for the complete package (price, battery, design, display, size, cpu/gpu, storage, support, OS, cloud integration etc.). And for me, the package the One S offers is more compelling than that of most other smartphones one the market.
I compared the One S screen to that of my Galaxy Nexus and honestly, when it comes to clarity, there isn't much of a difference. If you are in your twenties with near perfect eyesight and able to hold the phone less than a foot from your face then you will probably see pixelation but at normal distances it isn't an issue. For me it seems that anything above 250ppi is fine - my original Galaxy S was less (I think 233ppi) and that display was pixelated to me, but then again it was an earlier generation screen, I'm sure there have been other refinements besides resolution since then.
One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english
I come from an LG Optimus 2x, 4'' ips display, 800x480, and I feel this display better IMHO.
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gszabi said:
One S 256 PPI
Sam Galaxy S2 217 PPI but looks sharper.
Its all about the pixel placement, pentile matrix is a pattern. This matrix gives us better colors because more subpixels. Google for it there are many info i cant explain it in english
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I said Galaxy S, not S2.
Yes the S2 was/is superior despite the lower resolution thanks to the RGB arrangement (not pentile). The original Galaxy S was pentile, and not that great by today's standards.
It's okay, but I'm actually kind of unsatisfied with the blacks. I thought it would be completely black, but when I have a black picture shown on the phone in a completely dark room, the screen still lights up
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Hi everyone,
It's my first time using a Nexus device.
I just switched from Samsung Galaxy S2.
With the samsung screen, the black is a real black whereas in the Nexus the black shows the backlight of the LCD (or however it is called now) screen so there's this white glow coming out when it supposed to be pure black screen.
I'm not referring to when the phone is off, I'm referring to when it suppose to display pure black background like when using the Daydream clock feature.
I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to understand if this is how it supposed to be
Thanks
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Hi everyone,
It's my first time using a Nexus device.
I just switched from Samsung Galaxy S2.
With the samsung screen, the black is a real black whereas in the Nexus the black shows the backlight of the LCD (or however it is called now) screen so there's this white glow coming out when it supposed to be pure black screen.
I'm not referring to when the phone is off, I'm referring to when it suppose to display pure black background like when using the Daydream clock feature.
I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to understand if this is how it supposed to be
Thanks
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It's normal. Use this for awhile and then go back to the s2, I have one too. You'll see how much better this screen is.
I agree that sharpness and colours are amazing on the Nexus but it's not the black colour / contrast I got used to from the S2.
I came from an S3 and I love the screen quality. I can actually see my phone in daylight.
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I agree that sharpness and colours are amazing on the Nexus but it's not the black colour / contrast I got used to from the S2.
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samsung uses samoled screens, the blacks are blacker and the colors are more vivid. but, samoled screens dont show the real colors, they are much more overly saturated. oh, and black.. samoled dont light up pixels for black, thats why it seems blacker.
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I came from an S3 and I love the screen quality. I can actually see my phone in daylight.
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I could see as well with the S2
Anyway, as I was saying, I'm not complaining or anything... I just didn't know if the black I was expecting to see on the Nexus is about the same as in the S2...
Unfortunately, I must admit that the S2 presented a much deeper black and the Nexus 5 displays white glow rather than black.
IPS != AMOLED
S2 -> AMOLED. That's almost pure blacks and too saturated colours.
N5 -> IPS. In the N5's case, pretty accurate colours, but with background light, cause the tecnology is like that. You're not gonna get black blacks with IPS. The panel is quite a lot better in every other aspect though.
thanks @Molitro
I agree that besides the blacks, this screen is amazing
As others have hinted, only Oled screens can turn their pixels off complely (0nits) and that's why they can do cool things such as active notifications on the Moto X. When looked on head on the black levels of the Nexus 5 IPS screen are quite good compared to other non Oleds. Infact it out right destroys my desktop and laptop Tn displays in that regards.
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I swiched to samsung note 3 from samsung mega 5.3
Ive noticed that Note 3 colors are a bit dull just like s3. If u open a white image in both mobiles simultaneously u can clearly spot tgat mega's display is much nicer.
Ive tried the display options but still its not much different.
Anyone else noticed this? Any solutions?
SM-N900
Android 4.3
coll911 said:
I swiched to samsung note 3 from samsung mega 5.3
Ive noticed that Note 3 colors are a bit dull just like s3. If u open a white image in both mobiles simultaneously u can clearly spot tgat mega's display is much nicer.
Ive tried the display options but still its not much different.
Anyone else noticed this? Any solutions?
SM-N900
Android 4.3
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The Note 3 and Mega line use different panels. Note 3 uses AMOLED while the Megas use LCDs (probably IPS or even TFT). I don't think there's much you can do to remedy this as I'm pretty sure what you're experiencing is just a "quirk" of AMOLED.
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The Note 3 and Mega line use different panels. Note 3 uses AMOLED while the Megas use LCDs (probably IPS or even TFT). I don't think there's much you can do to remedy this as I'm pretty sure what you're experiencing is just a "quirk" of AMOLED.
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Thanks for your reply.
Ive been using note for a month now. I came across mega the other day(after a month) and really loved the feel and look of it
that tft display was more beautiful.
Besides that note 3 is awesome mobile love it. Gonna get used to colors
Its personal preference. I myself dont think I'll ever want to use IPS displays ever again.
I personally cant stand the wonky saturation in amoled displays. Currently have the screen mode on movie mode but still not perfect. Love the deep blacks though
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I personally cant stand the wonky saturation in amoled displays. Currently have the screen mode on movie mode but still not perfect. Love the deep blacks though
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+1 I'm in the same camp. Im on the movie mode screen profile and have also installed the app Lux. Setting the WB to Fluorescent(under night mode), to my eyes, improves the colour accuracy.
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i just really can't understand how someone else might not like the colors on note 3.. so vivid, so colorful. i wish my monitor and my tv were like that.
no offence, but this is like the sharpest thing i've seen in a looong time. everytime i have to switch to a different technology my eyes nearly bleed..
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i just really can't understand how someone else might not like the colors on note 3.. so vivid, so colorful. i wish my monitor and my tv were like that.
no offence, but this is like the sharpest thing i've seen in a looong time. everytime i have to switch to a different technology my eyes nearly bleed..
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Its just that some people like myself prefer to have accurate colors instead of over saturated colors. The note 3's color calibration renders the colors almost neon looking. As for the sharpness, note 3 could still improve since it does not use the standard RGB subpixel arrangement.
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Hi Guys,
As a free replacement from Samsung, they are offering me these 2 options. Which one do you suggest is better?
Thanks,
Arpan
It depens on your preference.
The Tab S is 10.5" and has an AMOLED screen.
The Note Pro is 12.2" LCD, and has an Spen. 12.2" is 50% more screenspace, and about the size of an A4 sheet of paper.
Internal specs are identical for the LTE/LTE and WiFi/WiFi models. .
It all comes down to:
Do you want a big screen? NotePro.
Do you want a regular tablet screen size? Tab S
Do you want an Spen? NotePro
Do you want an AMOLED screen? Tab S.
Personally I have the NotePro P905 LTE because I wanted a big screen. Watching films on this thing is a true delight, as is note taking and gaming. It's nowhere near as heavy as one would expect.
If they're offering you the NotePro p900 or the p907A (AT&T), decline it. Those have issues with reboots, bluescreens and freezes. And most games are incompatible.
The P905 LTE has no such issues.
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ShadowLea's answer is great, but for what its worth my experience with the p900 has been pretty much flawless. Ive experienced none of the mentioned concerns, and if you are planning to root and rom it, the p900 has the best support of the 12.2 models.
Well I have an offer on SM-P9000ZWVXAR or SM-T800NZWAXAR - I am seriously thinking on the 10.5 due to decent size and AMOLED. I happen to use my tablet in sunlight a lot and was facing a problem on my Note 10.1 2014 edition. any first hand experiences?
The only reason I may look for Pro maybe would be that it is more expensive - so I can sell it at a decent price and use that to buy maybe Nvidia Shield
Well, the NotePro is (much) more expensive, yes. But it is also a niche device, meaning far less potential buyers. (millions less). It's also older.
I haven't had any issues in direct sunlight with mine, but keep in mind that the sun in this part of the world is less bright than in other parts due to the distance to the equator and the climate. (If you don't know what the Dutch climate is like, it's pretty much the same as the UK. We're neighbours.)
It has a significantly higher brightness ratio than the 2014 10.1.
It also has a higher brightness ratio than the Tab S. 627nits over 395nits for the Tab S, so nearly twice as bright. This is because AMOLED turns off black pixels, reducing overal brightness but creating infinite contrast.
You can find the numbers here: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-S-10.5_id8662/benchmarks
Perhaps you can find a store which has both on display so you can try them?
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I'm in the exact same situation. I'm completely stuck as to which one I should get. Either way it would be LTE version from AT&T. I've gone through so many threads but still can't make up my mind. Please help.
Is it just me or the screen is grainy when in low light and in darker images?
same here, very disappointed in this camera
Yes , it's like a very thin layer of dust or paper is on the screen .
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Yes , it's like a very thin layer of dust or paper is on the screen .
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I think this is common with OLED, I've only seen a handful of them though...check out another OLED device or TV in store & check for it.
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I think this is common with OLED, I've only seen a handful of them though...check out another OLED device or TV in store & check for it.
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Is it a common problem or common in all oled? If it's a problem I'm going to return the phone. It's noticeable when you watch videos without light and lowest brightness.
Its common with this phone, not with oled in general.
If its just grainy then you are in luck, mine has clear vertical and horizontal lines.
I believe its called mura with oled technology.
My galaxy nexus a few years back had it way worse and i traded that in after 2 days at the store for a galaxy s3.
My galaxy s3 had perfect screen (to this day it is still perfect except for the cracks in the screen)
Trying to sell my g flex 2 as i have a taiwanese imported phone (h959 red 32gb) in europe and LG webcare refuses to help me with it (and sending it back to vendor will cost me tons of transport and import again ...).
Also LG webcare stated it was normal and even a screen replacement wouldn't fix much. So i was kind of bitter and told them they where 4 years behind on samsung in oled technology if this is normal.
Anyway, good luck with it.
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Its common with this phone, not with oled in general.
If its just grainy then you are in luck, mine has clear vertical and horizontal lines.
I believe its called mura with oled technology.
My galaxy nexus a few years back had it way worse and i traded that in after 2 days at the store for a galaxy s3.
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I'm not noticing any major grainy areas, at least it's less noticeable than on my Galaxy S1 & Vita. I unfortunately got one with yellowing along the bottom edge, but I can only see it on light colors.
Also the Mura effect consists of black blotches on black areas, those lines you have are something else.
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Mura is cloudy effects on the screen, eg yellow spots.
Banding is lines.
I got both and LG refuses to fix it.
POLED
WittePens said:
Its common with this phone, not with oled in general.
If its just grainy then you are in luck, mine has clear vertical and horizontal lines.
I believe its called mura with oled technology.
My galaxy nexus a few years back had it way worse and i traded that in after 2 days at the store for a galaxy s3.
My galaxy s3 had perfect screen (to this day it is still perfect except for the cracks in the screen)
Trying to sell my g flex 2 as i have a taiwanese imported phone (h959 red 32gb) in europe and LG webcare refuses to help me with it (and sending it back to vendor will cost me tons of transport and import again ...).
Also LG webcare stated it was normal and even a screen replacement wouldn't fix much. So i was kind of bitter and told them they where 4 years behind on samsung in oled technology if this is normal.
Anyway, good luck with it.
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Yes, true, it is common with this phone and not with OLED technology in general. Now, what else you need to note is that this phone uses POLED type of display. POLED differs with regular AMOLED and OLED display technology in the plastic substrate that employs as opposed to the glass substrate in regular AMOLED/OLED displays, hence the letter "P" in POLED. Plastic is used to make the display bendable and this POLED technology by LG is not perfected yet. I do not know if Samsung uses POLED for S6 Edge, S6 Edge Plus and Note Edge, if they indeed use plastic substrate in their curved displays, then your claim that LG is behind in this tech. is true. I think i've read somewhere that Samsung uses normal display tech in their curved mobile displays, but i cannot remember what website hosted this article.
I own LG 55EC9300 OLED TV and i can tell you that LG's regular OLED tech. is as good as Samsung's. This is not straightforward correlation with mobile display tech. since i do not know of any OLED based phone of LG. My opinion is that LG's normal OLED tech. is just fine, just that they need to polish this POLED tech.
Mine's screen is ok on minimal brightness, however it is too bright on minimal and use Twilight. And than the screen is really grainy. But there is no way around it, 0% brightness is too much at night. I hate that. And there is too much white GUI. We need more BLACKS.
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Is it just me or the screen is grainy when in low light and in darker images?
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Coming from G2 to G Flex 2 I really noticed non-uniform solid colors on G Flex 2 and I found two solutions: raise average brightness (grain is much more noticeable on lower brightness setting) and get used to it. Really, second option helped me a lot, my eyes got used to this screen within a week and now I don't notice it and happy with overall screen quality. I understand that second solution is not for everyone.
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Coming from G2 to G Flex 2 I really noticed non-uniform solid colors on G Flex 2 and I found two solutions: raise average brightness (grain is much more noticeable on lower brightness setting) and get used to it. Really, second option helped me a lot, my eyes got used to this screen within a week and now I don't notice it and happy with overall screen quality. I understand that second solution is not for everyone.
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yeah same here, i hardly notice it anymore. also coming from a nexus 5, the flex 2 screen is way way superior
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Mine's screen is ok on minimal brightness, however it is too bright on minimal and use Twilight. And than the screen is really grainy. But there is no way around it, 0% brightness is too much at night. I hate that. And there is too much white GUI. We need more BLACKS.
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i agree. i use the app darker now. in lowest setting it's usable. but more black in GUI would bee better