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Hey everyone.
I ran across this over at the GS2 forum.
This guy has one.
Check out his blog
http://domarmstrong.blogspot.com/
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Some pretty impressive numbers there, and a very complete selection of benchmarks.
Would seem like the CPU in the GS2 is at least 2x more powerful than the Hummingbird in ours. Also some impressive GPU numbers.
Thing is though... the original Galaxy S was like 6-8 months ahead of the curve in pretty much every facet of the device. Even now, no other device on the market can compare with the Super AMOLED screen. The Galaxy S2 however has some impressive specs, and a very cool looking (and very thin) package, but it doesn't feel like it's going to be the "step above the rest" that the original was.
Guess we'll see when it's actually released!
Not that it matters, but that's got to be some of the highest quadrants ever recorded.
That looks very promising. I could upgrade my cappy to that for sure. To date i have not seen anything worth upgrading to...
I wish it was a 4" screen. Wouldn't want a 4.3" one with that resolution (personally). Because I'm on a two year contract I'm hoping the Galaxy S3 is leaps and bounds above the S in display and processor technology... and comes in a 4" variant for battery savings.
It still looks cool though
SkitchBeatz said:
I wish it was a 4" screen. Wouldn't want a 4.3" one with that resolution (personally). Because I'm on a two year contract I'm hoping the Galaxy S3 is leaps and bounds above the S in display and processor technology... and comes in a 4" variant for battery savings.
It still looks cool though
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I'm really on the fence about it due to the screen size (for battery life, size of the handset) and the resolution. I may be able to live with the lack of resolution, but I'd have to see battery life numbers before I even think about swapping out my captivate.
Just got mine today very impressive and fast. Very responsive and thin.
Camera is brilliant and video recording wow best out there.
I was really looking forward to the galaxy s 2 but I am thinking its gonna be awhile before it is released. I find it hard to believe with the infuse on the way (but to the best of my knowledge also with out a release date) that samsung would cut their own throat by following the infuse with the galaxy s 2. I have been eligible for an update for awhile so I am thinking there is going to be allot of competition when it finally arrives. IMO samsung has really dropped the ball by not releasing here sooner, especially if it has to face the iphone 5. At this point it seems like the sgs 2 will be doa as the next killer phone if released in the fall.
that score in antutu is quite impressive! holy crap that's fast tegra 2's need to run at 1500 mhz to beat that!. the 3d benchmarks are likely heavily held back by a cap on the fps just like the captivate is already. i have gotten 491 points for 3d alone in antutu with a certain kernel and rom combo and that wasnt even with the gpu overclocked or fps cap removed like some of the vibrant kernels and old captivate 2.1 kernels. could do.
i want to see that thing run without any fps caps and some kernel tweaks! no overclocking.
I might upgrade next year. I think it's a good to give 6 months to a year before getting a top of the line handset.
That's enough for bugs to be noticed (and hopefully fixed), for community development to take off and for the apps to catch up with the new phone's technology. Correct me if I'm wrong, but right now the only apps that can take full advantage of the Sgs2 processors are benchmarks.
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For those interested, Engadget UK just posted a review of the Galaxy S 2:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
SO gps works...
BRB preordering
Glad they put the USB at the bottom
yeah but is it using the same type of internal memory? that is the biggest bottleneck of any device or computer is the *hard drive*
the internal memory in current phones is single channel read OR write crap.
and please dont say ddr2 memory.... thats different and only helps a little in comparison to the issue with the storage memory
I think I'll just wait for what samsung promise to have a 2ghz dualcore nxtyr or later, I'm still in my 2yr contact though
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i like the coment at the end "best smart phone period!" says it all!
that said i am a little disapointed with the 3d performance of the dual core phones. though the tegra is a powerful application processor and the orion is fast beyond description the open gl performance isnt much beyond what the galaxys already does. was samsung just that far ahead in that area or is there power to be unlocked in these chipsets?
bri315317 said:
That looks very promising. I could upgrade my cappy to that for sure. To date i have not seen anything worth upgrading to...
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Agree
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Why on earth would u want to upgrade to Galasy S2?
They have so much potential and best tech in screens, internal storage, cameras, processors, and good design builds in past YET lately they rush everything (unfinished drivers, bad gps, same 16GB internal but they could have 64 and average camera and cheap plastic to save on costs) so that they can copy iphone because they want some of their success. i personally hate iphone, but every other company copying them just drives apple to think they r the best.. and personally they did make the right choice on A5 to use powerVR543 because even dual VR 543 is faster than quad-core mali400, (big mistake for Samsung as mali400 alone is almost twice weaker than PowerVR 540 used in previous galaxy, which confirms in benchmarks) and NO 3D in galaxy S2 which puts LG optimus 3d and HTC evo 3D in front. and 3D is the future with more and more 3d movies out. and same wvga res that has been since winmo 6.0. sure u don't need the very highest res in a phone, but when u connect it to HDTV via hdmi u will have to rethink that, but then again does galaxy s2 even have HDMI?? On this site: http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys2/html/specification.htmldoesn't doesn't list hdmi or anything...
Here where things become worse building a phone with large surface area due to 4.27inch screen and full plastic yet copy iphone in trying to make as slim as possible makes it extremely breakable as the phone will slowly start bending over months as u keep it in ur pocket tightly while playing sports etc. This used to happen with motorola razer
And to top this off Android 2.3 DOES NOT fully support multiple cores, well it supports but doesn't take advantage till 3.0 honeycomb (or 3.1 for phones), so if samsung doesn't give u an update AGAIN, or rushes it out full of bugs like they did for galaxy s, ur phone will never see it's potential
And i also got a bit of info from a tweeter a few month back where it was said that samsung is working on quad-core processor for next year and chances are the next one will also be 3D. This goes well in line with guad-core Tegra 3 to be out this fall, and sony NGP already running quad-core.
Point is unlike galaxy S which had at least the best GPU on the market, Galaxy S2 doesn't have anything that stands out. Sure u have super amoled plus, but others will have higher res, and dual-core is MAINSTREAM now. And it will only be a matter of month before this phone be obliterated by it's succesor.
Also from the lawsuit that apple has recently put on samsung might force them to restart making innovative designs like they did prior "galaxy"
You're wrong in several different ways.
1- There's very little point in putting 64gb of storage on a phone. 16/32 internal + 16/32 sd card is way more than enough for me and for 99.9% of users;
2- Reviews of the sgs2 camera place it as one of the best in the market, not sure I'd call it average;
3- Apple's lawsuit is bs and I honestly doubt it will affect anything on the long run. Android and touch wiz are quite different from Ios in important ways;
4- Why do you need 3d on a phone? Where are the apps for it? Why would you watch a 3d movie on a 4.3 inch screen? It'd probably kill the battery before it was over. Maybe, it'll eventually offer some real world advantage, but right now it's just a gimmick;
5- The Sgs2 supports hdmi out via micro usb through mhl technology. Google it;
6- It's wrong to question the build quality and durability without having ever seen the phone upclose. So far, I've seen nothing but praise on reviews and previews. Plastic not only keeps costs down, it also lowers the weight. And since when is making a phone slim apple's idea?;
7- I don't have the expertise to comment on the cpu and gpu, but the benchmarks seemed impressive as hell to me;
8- Screen resolution could be higher, but super amoled technology is so far ahead of the curve that I bet it will more than make up for it.
In short, why upgrade to sgs 2? Best cpu on the market (according to engadget review), best screen on the market, one of the best cameras on the market, bt 3.0+hs, microusb hdmi out, usb on the go (according to gsm arena) and the fact that the galaxy s is already a great phone.
Obviously, there'll be a better phone, eventually, that's the way it is in the tech world, but right now it seems to be a fantastic device, as engadget review shows.
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I dont care the phone is sick and I can't wait to get one. I love my sammy captivate and knowing that's the same thing all jacked up is great. 3d is dumb especially on a phone. Plenty of storage. It will be great to finally have a flash. Super amoled is amazing so super plus is better...what more could you want. We don't need to dwell on tons of worthless info. The phone is gonna be sick and the best anybodies had. Everybody wants it and so do I.
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I know i'm gonna get burned at the stake for this one, since this is a tech forum, but dual core is just overkill AT THE PRESENT MOMENT. It's like computers. They are all now dualcore, most come with almost 4 gigs of ram. What in the hell would 95% of the population need AT THE MOMENT with something more powerful than that? LIke a quadcore with 8 gigs? NOTHING. It's just a ploy to get more money. Our 1ghz phones can run everything just fine. This isn't like the early days of android where it always felt like more ram and raw power was needed. We have hit a plateau where the current cellphone landscape fits MOST peoples needs. Can i really be the only one who thinks that it's just unnecessary?
Remember, xda only represents .0000000001% of actual real world use. I am talking about the layman who is actually gonna fall for the "OMFG ITS GONNA DO EVERYTHING SO MUCH BETTER AND FASTER", um no it's not. Most people dont even max out there current hardware.
Edit: Seriously people get a grip on reality. I'm not pushing my views on anyone. It's a ****ing forum, you know, one of those places where people discuss things??? The debate that has come out of this has been fantastic, and i have learned alot of things i didnt know. I'm not gonna change my original post to not confuse people reading the whole topic, but i can now understand why dual core does make some sense. Quit attacking me and making stuff so personal, it's uncalled for and frankly i'm about to ask a mod to close this topic cause it's getting so ridiculous. Learn how to have a debate without letting all the emotion get in the way or GTFO. YOUR the one with the problem, not me.
Xda doesn't care. We like specs, maxing out our devices, and most of all, benchmarking
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Xda doesn't care. We like specs, maxing out our devices, and most of all, benchmarking
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Well as do i! I'm talking about the uneducated masses.
more cores mean;
more threads
meaning better apps
meaning better FPS
meaning HD everything
meaning more capabilities
meaning more fun with less devices.
Do you remember the days you had a cell phone, a PDA, an MP3 player, a digital camera AND a laptop? All that was missing is your bat symbol and cape. I like not having to have a utility belt of gadgets on my person.
I would rather see them work on battery saving and density technologies to eventually allow for one week [heavy usage] times.
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I would rather see them work on battery saving and density technologies to eventually allow for one week [heavy usage] times.
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Hard for you to believe, i know, but that's what having a multi-core does, it helps improve battery life (both in standby and in usage). Sure it's not a definitive answer to our battery problems, but it's a first.
Hey Lude219, I thought I'd post this as I thought you gave a good explanation on battery life and usage (fifth one down).
It really all comes down to the person's requirements. If someone requires to run several apps at once, or requires to watch movies at a higher frame rate, or requires to have the 'best phone on the market', then they'll buy a dual-core phone, no-one else will care (much). Most people I talk to agree and think that Dual-Core in a phone is unnecessary ('dual-core phone' it even sounds ridiculous lol), but, I must admit that I was surprised at how laggy my DHD was out the packet, and don't get me wrong, I know once it's rooted it will be much better just because the SW is cleaner, but most people will not even contemplate rooting their phone, so if it's not an option for them, dual-core will surely help.
Dual-core procs don't have a higher power consumption than single-core procs (or at least they won't if they design/implement them properly), so it shouldn't (fingers crossed) make power consumption any worse.
Personally, I'd also rather they put they're time and effort into making better batteries and improving general power consumption.
It'll be the next marketing point after the dual-core hype has ebbed (Now with Three Days Standby!! YEY!!)
Well i think most people who do buy these "powerful" devices have one important reason to buy, and that is to future proof themselves. But ey, i'm looking at the perspective of a tech savy guy, I suppose the masses simply want the next best thing.
But you are right however, it is a ploy to make money, but everything in business is, so there's no difference between dual core, one core, 8 mp camera, 5 mp, 720p. 1080p, it's all business. If there was no business then.. well, where'd we get our smartphones?
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Hard for you to believe, i know, but that's what having a multi-core does, it helps improve battery life (both in standby and in usage). Sure it's not a definitive answer to our battery problems, but it's a first.
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I can easily go into why you're wrong, but I won't waste the calories. Other things besides just adding a core are done to get those gains. If more cores equaled more power savings, ULV cpus would be octo-core.
Just a matter time when they get battery life ironed out in smartphones and to the OP i would agree in some aspect, but they are smartphones why not just keep improving them. Else if someone never thought outside box we would still stuck with dumb phones =no fun.
here a link for next gen snap dragons sounds promising.
I won't lie, right now dual core is overkill. But in time like everything else has computer wise, it will be the normal and will be the way all devices go, that's not just considering dual core. I'm talking pure multicore threading. It's not just the number of cores you're buying as well, it's the difference core to core when you compare say arm cortex a8 to the Tegra II's Arm Cortex a9, single core the a9 will be faster and more efficient and also produce less heat thanks to the die shrink, which then also means less power draw per core. Right now for phones, dual core is futureproofing a bit for when we do have android that is fully multithreaded, and apps that are as well.
There's also something you need to remember, XDA isn't really a big fraction of people using android devices and what not, but not every android user is on XDA. I also disagree with everyone maxing out their hardware, just running my Evo with a few of the aosp live wallpapers my evo runs terrible, and web browsing isn't the greatest either depending on the website.
Oh dude you should so post this one overclock.net, the beat down you would get would be hilarious. But anyway back one topic, as for phones, well for some people dual core is nice, for example me and my friends, when we head off to lecture, all we can do is browse the web on our phones, all of us, for some odd reason like to have at least 6-8 tabs open at the same time and for the phones we have (I have an iphone 3gs, theres a couple captivates, Droid Inc 2, and some others), they sometimes tend to slow down with all of the tabs open. Also when you open up numerous applications, you have to sometimes close out of some of them because the one that is open starts to slow down. Thats a couple reasons that dual core is nice, with massive multitasking. But with the computer part, where you say that no one needs a quad core processor, well think about it, there are a lot of people who want performance (not just XDA, theres overclock.net, techpowerup, EVGA, HardOCP, etc) and just random people who want fast computers for reasons such as video processing, gaming (this is probably a big reason), ridiculous multitasking (I fall into this category cause I have over 125 tabs open in chrome right now and I actually needed to upgrade to 8 gb's of ram because it was saying I was running out of ram with only 4), and some people that want just plain snappiness from their computer. So I would not say that a quad core processor is overkill for most people as the demographic I mentioned above does include a decent amount of people.
Oh and I forgot to mention watching Hi def videos, your average intel integrated graphics card cannot play a 1080p video without issues so thats why you might need a faster processor and a faster GPU to play those videos in an HTPC.
But yes for your average everyday joe, a simple nehalem based dual core would suffice for everyday tasks such as web browsing and such but it cannot do much else.
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I know i'm gonna get burned at the stake for this one, since this is a tech forum, but dual core is just overkill AT THE PRESENT MOMENT. It's like computers. They are all now dualcore, most come with almost 4 gigs of ram. What in the hell would 95% of the population need AT THE MOMENT with something more powerful than that? LIke a quadcore with 8 gigs? NOTHING. It's just a ploy to get more money.
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Which is why netbooks took off for a while there (until people realized those were a bit too slow)
Our 1ghz phones can run everything just fine. This isn't like the early days of android where it always felt like more ram and raw power was needed. We have hit a plateau where the current cellphone landscape fits MOST peoples needs. Can i really be the only one who thinks that it's just unnecessary?
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I completely disagree. The difference between dual and single core for mobile devices is *huge*. There is a *huge* difference between everything running "fine" and everything running "great". The biggest difference is for games and web browser, which most people absolutely care about. There is also the wide range of more powerful apps it enables, which for now is more important on the tablet, but that will come to phones as well.
Dual core is not overkill, for one, its future proofing your phone, most ppl buy the phones on contract and in a couple of months dual cores will be the standard for high end smartphones, second, it allows for better GPU performance which leads to better games and overall experience, there are many benefits to it, too many for me to list...
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I can easily go into why you're wrong, but I won't waste the calories. Other things besides just adding a core are done to get those gains. If more cores equaled more power savings, ULV cpus would be octo-core.
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Yea, it's better if you don't, because I dont think you have any substantial knowledge on the matter to go against the research and knowledge of all the computer engineers out there. The reason why it's not octo-cores yet is because it's called a BUSINESS. But I wont waste the calories in telling you why that is until you go and read up on "economy of scales."
It'll be interesting at least to see what develops. See if they'll start doing proper separate GPU Die's or if they'll dedicate GPU cores on the proc (i.e quad core chip with 2 CPU cores and 2 GPU cores).
Hope people don't start to get burnt when they begin maxing out/overclocking their cores.
Funny, if you stop developing you get nothing because you are satisfied with nothing.
Us at XDA are techies and you give us more core more ram more battery we will figure what to create with the new abilities. That is how progress is done.
As far as the masses, let marketing depts do their thing to them........we do not care, never did. As for me, I have a 12 core motherboard with 32 gigs of ram.etc and I jack it to 85% demand almost every day, and I am sure that there are very very few computers that have this capabilities.
The funny thing more innovation make more efficiencies my computer under a full load uses less than most of the gaming rigs out there and has 50% more muscle.
On the phone dual core allow one to create algorithms that will make the battery use way more efficient.
More cores more ram === win win win for everyone, but us in XDA and other forums like this it is just great great great for us.......... don't worry we will use what ever is created 110% and make it better.
If dual core in your Nokia 3210, yes it's overkilling, but if dual core in your cad workstation, it's been overkilled. All depends on the user, usage, and design of the device.
Actually it's an arueable question whether dual-core cpus are an overkill today, they have several advantages but most of those can be applied to netbooks and tablets rather than phones.
1. When there are several CPUs, multi-threaded applications can be really run concurrently (and basically, even if one application is performing, the scheduling overhead for multi-core system is lower and background tasks like gui/hardware drivers can be executed on a separate core).
2. Another use case (although this is a misuse and abuse of CPU anyway) is the use of multi-core systems for encoding/decoding media. It brings absolutely no advantages to the end user, but when the CPU is powerful enough to handle the media stream, one may use it instead of a proper DSP processor which Google will likely be doing for VP8/WebM
3. SMPs can be useful in tablets and netbooks - for example, tegra2 will outperform intel atom in most cases (first of all, it is dual-core. and secondly, it has a very powerful GPU). I am personally using debian on my tablet (in chroot though) and many people are using ubuntu on toshiba ac100 - arm SoCs are a fun to hack and give an incredible battery life. But this is IMHO only acceptable for geeks like us and I think dual-core (or x-whatever-core) ARM CPUs will be useful for consumers (hate this word but whatever) if some vendor releases a device which will run a full-fledged linux distro with LibreOffice, math packages like octave/maxima, development environments like kdevelop so that it can be used as an equal replacement of an x86 netbook.
As for the popular arguement about power consumption - surprisingly, but there is little correlation between the number of cores and power drain. Newer SoCs are more energy efficient because they have improvements in technical process (literally the length of wires inside the chip), more devices are integrated into one chip, more processing blocks can be put to sleep states. Even if you compare a qualcomm qsd8250 running at 1GHz with a GPU enabled, it will use less power than an old 520 MHz intel pxa270. Besides, as I have already mentioned, a multiprocessor system can execute tasks concurrently which means that the computation will take less time and the processor will spend more time in a power-saving state.
Basically multi-cores are a popular trend and is a good way to make consumers pay for new toys. For me personally the reasons to change a device have always been either the age of the device (when it literally began to fall apart) or the real improvements in hardware (I updated from Asus P525 to Xperia X1 because ever since I had my first pda I was frustrated by the tiny 32 or 64 mb ram and awful screens with large pixels that were really causing pain in eyes if one used them for long) but unfortunately the situation now is the same as it is in the desktop world - software quality is getting worse even faster than hardware improves. Hence we see crap like java and other managed code on PDAs and applications that require like 10 Mb ram to perform simple functions (which were like 100 Kb back in winmo days). I do admit that using more ram can allow to use more efficient algorithms (to reduce their computational complexity) and managed code allows for higher portability - but hey, we know that commercial software is not developed with the ideas of efficiency in mind - the only things corporations care about are writing the application as quick as possible and hide the source code.
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Yea, it's better if you don't, because I dont think you have any substantial knowledge on the matter to go against the research and knowledge of all the computer engineers out there. The reason why it's not octo-cores yet is because it's called a BUSINESS. But I wont waste the calories in telling you why that is until you go and read up on "economy of scales."
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That and yields for Nehalem 8 cores aren't so high. Bulldozer yields are working out okay so far, but then again it's not a real 8 core cpu...
As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
I would greatly appreciate some discussion and information on these various devices and the problems and plus's of each. I like the Atrix due to its power, battery and potential if the bootloader is ever unlocked. The Inspire is interesting due to the wide amount of development but I have sever concerns about the power in comeing years, battery life, despite ROM's and the speaker. I like the Infuse's screen, power, and, due to unlocked bootloader, development potential.
I have had Samsung "dumb" phones in the past, the SMS flawed Impression and the sub-par Solstice, so i have some concerns about Samsung phones. I like HTC but dislike them putting tiny batteries in their high end phones. Motorola is generally OK but I understand support is a bit lacking. iPhone is super reliable but I believe the OS is stale and boring. Also, i worry about the 4's future with the advent of the iPhone 5 in the coming months and, like I said, I like Androids.
Lets get some discussion going!
This is posted in the General's of all 3 phones. Excluding the Focus.
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As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
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I currently have an iPhone 4 and have an upgrade available but if I had to choose another phone to upgrade to the only option I would really choose is the Infuse 4g, or (if I wait) the iPhone 5 or GalaxySII in September.
I love the IPS high resolution display of the iPhone 4 and the only way someone could get me to switch is with a phone that has greater outdoor readability such as SuperAmoled+. Atrix and Inspire screens just dont cut it for me.
AudioMaster13 said:
As it comes time to upgrade once again, I find myself confronted my many options. The phones I am looking at are the Infuse 4g, Inspire 4g, Atrix 4g, Focus and iPhone 4. I am very partial to the Android devices and was hoping to end up with one. I currently have an iPhone 3g but want to trade up due to performance and battery life issues.
I would greatly appreciate some discussion and information on these various devices and the problems and plus's of each. I like the Atrix due to its power, battery and potential if the bootloader is ever unlocked. The Inspire is interesting due to the wide amount of development but I have sever concerns about the power in comeing years, battery life, despite ROM's and the speaker. I like the Infuse's screen, power, and, due to unlocked bootloader, development potential.
I have had Samsung "dumb" phones in the past, the SMS flawed Impression and the sub-par Solstice, so i have some concerns about Samsung phones. I like HTC but dislike them putting tiny batteries in their high end phones. Motorola is generally OK but I understand support is a bit lacking. iPhone is super reliable but I believe the OS is stale and boring. Also, i worry about the 4's future with the advent of the iPhone 5 in the coming months and, like I said, I like Androids.
Lets get some discussion going!
This is posted in the General's of all 3 phones. Excluding the Focus.
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Just upgraded from captivate to infuse and loving it...even though this thing is basically a giant captivate with a major upgraded battery, front facing camera and amazing 8 megapixal camera...this phone feels so smooth and zips... dunno if its the 1.2 gigahertz processor or just the software, though one thing i miss about my captivate is the ROM support we are starting slow in that regard but are recruiting some of the best developers from other phones so expect big things from developers on the infuse
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Get the infuse 4g single core better battery life, sgs2 dual core lol why you need dualcore when are you going to install photoshop for windows on a phone lol, and having dual core for for me the great disadvantage for for it is is always having to look for an outlet to charge the phone, that's what you called not being mobile, + the high price tag. Just debt use task killer on an android phone. Just use Juice Defender it saves you battery turn of wifi when not in use, and it turn of 4g too while activate edge so you still receive messages
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Atrix has a locked bootloader and is therefore not worth buying.
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Get the infuse 4g single core better battery life, sgs2 dual core lol why you need dualcore when are you going to install photoshop for windows on a phone lol, and having dual core for for me the great disadvantage for for it is is always having to look for an outlet to charge the phone, that's what you called not being mobile, + the high price tag. Just debt use task killer on an android phone. Just use Juice Defender it saves you battery turn of wifi when not in use, and it turn of 4g too while activate edge so you still receive messages
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Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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What bubble you silly butt. Your a kid right?
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rjan22 said:
What bubble you silly butt. Your a kid right?
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No, I'm not, which should be evident from my ability to use proper spelling and grammar.
johnnydeathmatch said:
Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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This would only be true if the software (OS and apps) were optimized for the dual core. At this point they are not and dual core phones seem to be eating batteries like candy.
johnnydeathmatch said:
Hate to burst your bubble, but having additional cores equals better battery life.
1 core @ 100% = 1P (the amount of power it uses)
1 core @ 50% = .4P (due to greater efficiency at less than 100% operating capacity)
2 cores @ 50% each = .8P, while accomplishing the same amount of work.
I'm personally waiting to find out when the Thrill 4G will be coming out. The dual channel RAM seems to give it some strong performance. Supposed release is supposed to be Q2, att shows it as coming soon.
Other than that, the Inspire has great dev support with lots of ROMs to choose from, although I think the Infuse has better hardware and will probably have better support soon.
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gross over simplification. now when the phone sleeps (most of the time if it is your pocket) you need to support 2 cores, not one.
also your example up there wont happen in the real world. the cpu governor wont just go to 50% and give up as to compare it to another processor. also the 2 cores will never be at similar levels and im sure they are not independantly scalable just yet. data is processed in threads. the end of the thread cant be processed before the begining it need to be done from start to finnish. although, with a pc that has hyper threading it may be able to interupt the thread to start another one and finish the first thread later you cant parellelize everything, multi core and hyper threading are much more effective if many applications are running or applications have processes that can be parallelized and are written to run then that way in multiple threads. what will happen with the simpler arm chips is more likely that there will always be one core working hard (not always the same core) and the driver will force the other core to run at the same frequency(not even the gpu is scalable independant of cpu on any platform i know of, i doubt each core is scalable independantly on the dual core stuff) but it will only be working maybe 30% of the time on shorter threads. for your assumption to be correct you would need applications written in for multi threading and more sophistication in the way the cpus are handled and a governor tuned explicitly for battery life.
dual core may reduce lag when you have a background service running though. that may feel like a significant performance increase even if the cores aren't being fully utilized, this may help with using the phone as a wifi hotspot, or downloading files while playing games. i dont think we should go beyond 2 cores for a while on phones because it is difficult to run multiple applications at the same time with little screen real estate, and any multi tasking will leave most applications idle most of the time. the whole os has been tuned for less lag even on slower hardware. that usually means fewer threads that may be longer. my home pc is a 3 core, i could have had a 4 core or waited for 6+ core but the real world difference is dependant on so many things, i just didnt see the point.
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No, I'm not, which should be evident from my ability to use proper spelling and grammar.
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Okay my bad I actually remember my 3 gay school mate always use that word on my college years, nothing wrong being gay just saying I just remember.
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From what I see it seems that they'll switch to snapdragon s4, 1.7Ghz most likely which uses a15 compared to the Penta core tegra 3 which uses a9.. now don't come with the trash....
Oh oh s4 is better... no its not., you want proof ? I get 12000 CPU score on quadrant while s4 got 8000 that's 50% faster sorry.. as of battery life... companion core...........
BUT, there is always a but, the s4 is good enough to handle pretty much anything and the adreno 225 is better than geforce ulp which helps with those pixels .. also the tegra 3 seems to lag somehow.. in browsing.. when the page is loading if you scroll or pinch to zoom it lags on the prime as well as on the one x..in the rest it's the fastest..
In terms of raw power the tegra 3 is still the king. But it that what we need ?
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Cool story bro
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Cool story bro
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Ditto
why start a new thread when we have a thread about this tab already?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1523811
Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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Soooooo many things wrong with your line of thinking.
First, quadrant measures IO of memory as well as processor speed and many other things. If you have, say class 10 memory on your device and a craptastic processor it could rate higher on quadrant than a device with class 4 memory and a extremely fast processor. Hell some roms even tweak to read extremely fast to rank very high on quadrant at the expense of everything else.
Quadrant tests mean nothing because they can be easially mutilated. If i want high quadrant its easy, if i want a fast device that does what i want, its not so easy.
next, the browser itself is what lags, not the tegra3 chip. Take the stock browser and put it in ANY other device, it will lag just as much. Its a **** browser, get one that works and then talk.
If you drive a ferrarri and say "wow this car is amazing but the windshield gets very dirty and the wipers dont clean it that well" does it mean the car is ****? No! it means you need new wipers. The same way if your browser or launcher or whatever is laggy dont complain, try a different browser and it will work better.
I swear, can we have a "UnThanks" button for some of these people? im tired of seeing these threads...
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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http://www.stuff.tv/news/phone/news-nugget/exclusive-htc-one-x-vs-htc-one-xl-%E2%80%93-tegra-3-vs-snapdragon-s4
Here read below the antutu benchmark
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
What about the S4 Pro? Is the only difference between the Pro and Non Pro the GPU?
Tegra 3 > Snapdragon S4?
Tegra 3 < Snapdragon S4?
DOES NOT MATTER
Personally I think the Tegra 3 is a better option, but that doesn't matter. They are only switching to the Snapdragon on the LTE versions and are switching to the Snapdragon because the Tegra 3 SoC doesn't support LTE. If you want LTE, you can't get Tegra 3.
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not really...... you know the browser doesn't lag as much on my nexus....
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The browser doesn't lag at all on my Prime. Not since I did a factory reset anyway.
There are a lot of things that can impact the performance or a particular app including the processor. However just because an app lags on one device and not on the other, that isn't proof that one processor is better than another. In fact that kind of comparison is practically worthless for judging the relative abilities of two different chipsets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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If that were really true, it is unlikely that Asus would be using the Tegra 3 on the WiFi TF Infinity tablets.
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Tegra 3 GPU is probably too weak to support the 1920 x 1080 display. Anandtech points this out in their iPad 3 review.
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Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
Most reviews on YouTube do the same,all these so called tech website are been bought buy Apple...
Very sad......
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Thicker? Heavier? Shorter battery life? Pass.
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goodintentions said:
Here's the thing, anadtech, like pretty much most other tech media sites, have been taken over by apple fanboys who would say/do anything to put apple in a better light than others. Some times they would lie right through their teeth just to put apple in a better light. Some times it's more subtle.
The 32gb TFP model sells at $499. Everyone knows this. Last month, there was a review comparison of the prime versus the new ipad. The author dared to say the prime starts at like $600 and he proved it by linking to to an awefully overpriced website. When myself and several others spammed the hell out of their inbox demanding they change it, they changed it and said it was a "typo". I just find it amazing that all these mistakes and typos are always made to make apple look better.
Anyway, nowadays I don't trust anything the tech media says about the performances of apple devices versus others. They don't even try to hide their apple bias anymore.
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And I recently tried to use the ipad again. Smooth device. However, it still feels like an oversized ipod touch because everything is oversized. I'm not 80 years old. I don't need the icons to be that big.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Anandtech liked the Prime so much they did a pre review and a redo (due to radio issues with first unit), plus collaborated with Asus on the wifi radio issues. The Tegra 3 gpu is too weak to support 1920 x 1080. Takes a lot of power and the reason the gpu is a big part of the A5X in the iPad 3. Not fanboy a issue, but a LOT of pixels to push issue. There will need to be a new gpu if the Tegra 3 is used- if users expect smooth performance.
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Ok, I'll take that I guess.
I'm just weary about tech websites nowadays. Last year, I stumbled upon an article comparing the ipad 2 to an android tablet. From start to finish, the author never even mentioned what the android tablet was. When I zoomed into the picture, I could have sworn it was one of those cheap chinese tablets that ran on android 2.2 or 1.6. This was about the time when praising the ipad got you a lot of readers because the ipad 2 had just come out.
Almost every tech review of the TF101 said typing using the docking station was annoying because the mouse pointer was jumping around too much. Get it? Not a single one of these so-called tech reviewers and experts knew the 4th button from the left top row disables the trackpad.
What I've found most interesting is the fact that for almost a year most tech reviewers just ignored the TF101 completely. There were plenty of "top 10 tablets" or "ipad killer tablets" articles. 99% of them left out the TF101 completely even though the transformer was even more popular than the xoom.
Let's go back even further. I remember when asus chairman launched the asus transformer along with several other new products. I was watching live blogs made by various "journalists". What I noticed was they were all criticizing the transformer even before they got their hands on it. I specifically remember one "journalist" writing he thought no one would be interested in a laptop-tablet hybrid.
The tech media needs to start doing some heavy self-censuring if they want me to start trusting them again. As far as I'm concern, they're a bunch of liars who would say anything to put apple above everything else.
Agreed with the fanboy bias, since there are a few major sites that prefer Apples in their diet.
comon guys lets face it: tegra 3 will get pwnd by the nextgen a15 cpu's. thats how it works , simple.
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nice mate ，cool
I just bought this phone and I've been seeing complaints all over the internet. I do see a few positive reviews but "few" isn't convincing. I've been faithful to SD for over a decade so I don't know if it's the problem with the chipset. Any kind of input is appreciated
(pls help)
As a mid range device with a fairly low end Exynos SoC, performance isn't going to be the best. It should be sufficient for web browsing or streaming media, but keep in mind that the more concurrent processes you have running (like always running apps) the less available processor bandwidth you're going to have. Plus, a lot of the A53s come with only 4GB of RAM, which is pretty much the bare minimum by today's standards.
AgENtSaRcAs said:
I just bought this phone and I've been seeing complaints all over the internet. I do see a few positive reviews but "few" isn't convincing. I've been faithful to SD for over a decade so I don't know if it's the problem with the chipset. Any kind of input is appreciated
(pls help)
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I thought it was a bit laggy at first but not so much anymore. The screen in my opinion is better than the iPhone and the speakers are almost as good too - good bass, that really impressed me. It's a great device for everything except hardcore gaming and stressful workloads. Regular media content and browsing and medium gaming is really good. Most people do casual things on their phone and the A53 nails that. As an added bonus, battery life is incredible. The 5nm Exynos 1280 chipset just needs to be optimized by developers a bit more.
AgENtSaRcAs said:
I just bought this phone and I've been seeing complaints all over the internet. I do see a few positive reviews but "few" isn't convincing. I've been faithful to SD for over a decade so I don't know if it's the problem with the chipset. Any kind of input is appreciated
(pls help)
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It is what it is for the processor, I think the slow storage speed is also hindering the performance too. I bought the usa unlocked version for $300 so I can't complain for the overall value. turning off ram plus gave mine a speed boost so I strongly suggest doing that.