Hello,
I was just wondering, not sure if it's been answered before, but it seems strange that rom developers put their roms on websites with agonisingly slow download speeds, when a peer to peer solution (such as torrents) could allow the community to seed and provide super fast download speeds? Especially since most android-based file hosts (cough) have no download servers in a lot of regions.
Question of legality is irrelevant since uploading to an external website is just as legal/illegal depending on what you want to call it, as it's still sharing the file..
Can anyone provide an explanation as to why this practice is not widespread? It would be beneficial to be able to download big 700mb roms at 5MB/s instead of 300KB/s.. Of course if a rom is not well-seeded, an alternative non-torrent download could be provided along side it.
Thoughts?
Doesn't seem like a good idea. Overtime people would stop seeding the torrent. There are a lot of high speed sharing websites such as Google Drive, Dropbox, MediaFire etc.
janekmuric said:
Doesn't seem like a good idea. Overtime people would stop seeding the torrent. There are a lot of high speed sharing websites such as Google Drive, Dropbox, MediaFire etc.
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While that is true for very old ROMs, I think there are plenty of very popular roms that could seriously benefit a lot from hosting it as a torrent. I think some already do it but I guess people are concerned about lack of seeders.
It would be good if devs used those services, but sadly things like Google Drive detect a lot of downloads of a file and make it temporarily unavailable (due to piracy concerns, I guess). Devs end up using special "file hosts" for android roms and whatnot, and they are honestly terribly slow, and some even offer "turbo speeds" for a price, no good in my book.
brezzo said:
While that is true for very old ROMs, I think there are plenty of very popular roms that could seriously benefit a lot from hosting it as a torrent. I think some already do it but I guess people are concerned about lack of seeders.
It would be good if devs used those services, but sadly things like Google Drive detect a lot of downloads of a file and make it temporarily unavailable (due to piracy concerns, I guess). Devs end up using special "file hosts" for android roms and whatnot, and they are honestly terribly slow, and some even offer "turbo speeds" for a price, no good in my book.
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I don't know really. They mostly use Drive and AndroidDevHost for roms which is fine for me since the max download for me is 450KBps anyways.
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So I was thinking...almost every contribution we are privileged to have are hosted in a myriad of locations (rapidshare, megaupload, mediafire, etc...) which have links that may or may not work due to loads, due to proxy issues, due to solar flares?
This lead me to a possible project idea. I have a hosting solution which may come in handy if you guys think this is a worthwhile idea...
basically this is what I can offer...
// copy/pasted from my monthly invoice
Bandwidth:
Total Bandwidth Provided: unlimited GB
Total Used So Far: 7.527 GB
Estimated Usage For Cycle: 42.151 GB
Storage:
Total Disk Space Provided: unlimited
Month Average: 33.4 GB
Currently Using: 36.1 GB
Estimated Average Usage: 35.5 GB (at end of billing period)
So as you can see, space and pipe are not of any concern to me.
Would creating a file hosting solution for all projects (themes, apps, random source needs, roms, whatever) be of any use? If so, how would you guys like to see this setup? If not, that's cool too!
I am completely open to suggestions
not sure if you ever herd of cydia, or installous for the iphone. It was a app that housed link to various apps and themes.
maybe something like that? gotta start with the server to host, then build interface.
-Brandon
of course I've heard of Cydia. I think that may be overkill but not something I am willing to rule out.
Basically I want to get a feel for if this is a solution that those giving back to the community would actually use. I know I know..if you build it...
So basically something like AndroidSpin already has? More direct link hosts would be great. Especially when new roms come out and the server is overloaded with downloads and your speed is crap.
Know-Fear said:
So basically something like AndroidSpin already has? More direct link hosts would be great. Especially when new roms come out and the server is overloaded with downloads and your speed is crap.
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Agreed. Offers such as these are very generous and often go unappreciated. AndroidSpin has this set up well with most devs onboard. Maybe PM SimonWalker and offer a mirror service, because as Know-Fear said, a hot release drops and the race to be first can cause bottlenecks. Or do your own thing. Whatever happens, just wanted to say thanks for thinking of us.
overground said:
Agreed. Offers such as these are very generous and often go unappreciated. AndroidSpin has this set up well with most devs onboard. Maybe PM SimonWalker and offer a mirror service, because as Know-Fear said, a hot release drops and the race to be first can cause bottlenecks. Or do your own thing. Whatever happens, just wanted to say thanks for thinking of us.
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I completely forgot about androidspin. Setting up a mirroring service may be the best solution. If he has people on-board already it makes no sense to fork such efforts.
Shooting a pm off.
A mirror solution would be a good choice.
Most of the time we have very few issues, but lately we experienced issues with HostGator.
We are in the process if switching to a dedicated host.
We currently transfer at least 6,000gb a month, and host aroung 40gb of files.
A mirror that could help take some of this load would be great.
We'd need to come up with a solution to Sync the files between any mirrors as well.
This is already listed in the Open Community projects on AndroidSPIN as something to look at in relation to the Community Release Database Project that is currently underway.
You can find more here.
SimonNWalker said:
A mirror solution would be a good choice.
Most of the time we have very few issues, but lately we experienced issues with HostGator.
We are in the process if switching to a dedicated host.
We currently transfer at least 6,000gb a month, and host aroung 40gb of files.
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a dedicated solution is a MUST with numbers like those. As stated above, there are no caps with what I can move and how much space I can take up. Sooooo...
A mirror that could help take some of this load would be great.
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...I can easily satisfy that
We'd need to come up with a solution to Sync the files between any mirrors as well.
This is already listed in the Open Community projects on AndroidSPIN as something to look at in relation to the Community Release Database Project that is currently underway.
You can find more here.
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I will read up on that. Thanks!
Hey guys, not sure if this is the right forum for this idea, but I have a webhost account that I already pay for and get 150gb of space and 1.5tb of bandwidth each month. I host 3 tiny websites on it and have a crapton of space and bandwidth left. In an attempt to give back to the devs on here for all their hard work, I'd like to offer to host ANY ROM for ANY DEVICE on my webserver , free of charge , with no strings attached. My way of saying thanks for doing kickass work all the time. If anyone is interested, send me a PM on here or email me @ [email protected]
infinitybiff said:
Hey guys, not sure if this is the right forum for this idea, but I have a webhost account that I already pay for and get 150gb of space and 1.5tb of bandwidth each month. I host 3 tiny websites on it and have a crapton of space and bandwidth left. In an attempt to give back to the devs on here for all their hard work, I'd like to offer to host ANY ROM for ANY DEVICE on my webserver , free of charge , with no strings attached. My way of saying thanks for doing kickass work all the time. If anyone is interested, send me a PM on here or email me @ [email protected]
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Make sure that what you host lacks proprietary binaries, otherwise you could be subject to C&D's.
lbcoder said:
Make sure that what you host lacks proprietary binaries, otherwise you could be subject to C&D's.
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Thanks for the heads up kind sir.
If that hosting is your generic $10/mo for all you can eat plans, forget it. After the first few roms start consuming some serious bandwidth, your host will find a way to get rid of you. Simply because, most servers have a global 2TB/monthly allotment - so offering 1.5TB to a single account is just plain overselling and are screwed if you use it. I'm pretty sure this is the case because you stated that the websites are small, so chances are you haven't hired your own dedicated servers for them.
Not having a dig or anything, really kind thing to do, just don't want you going through the hassle then getting yourself suspended in the process.
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If that hosting is your generic $10/mo for all you can eat plans, forget it. After the first few roms start consuming some serious bandwidth, your host will find a way to get rid of you. Simply because, most servers have a global 2TB/monthly allotment - so offering 1.5TB to a single account is just plain overselling and are screwed if you use it. I'm pretty sure this is the case because you stated that the websites are small, so chances are you haven't hired your own dedicated servers for them.
Not having a dig or anything, really kind thing to do, just don't want you going through the hassle then getting yourself suspended in the process.
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Its godaddy if that makes a diff.... I'm still up for trying
I was thinking of something similar. Give me a little more time to finish up my site. I host my own site from my living room. So I dont pay host fees. Might be able to help out.
Well, I have web hosting service in Thailand.
But it is for Local P2P not for web, so they not offer me an International Bandwidth.
Things I need just 600 baht/month for additional IP Address and International Bandwidth (not sure for the price).
I have 180GB Partition for storage something but I can offer it for storage.
PS. International Bandwidth maybe very bad because I didn't co locating at CAT IDC. The next things is I can offer an unlimit data transfer.
PS2. 34baht=1USD
Hey all developers and downloaders of ROMs ^^
See many new developers here now so please take him and take a look here
I got a server with unlimited bandwidth and Storage so im giving out free hosting to all developers.
The website is Romn****.info
I got a application form on that page and also you can PM me here
It supports direct link and h as very nice speed.
Contact me for more info and FTP account.
UPDATE:
If you are a XDA member and not a developer just need a good ftp account to host a website?
Contact me and i'l give you a good deal on hosting with control panel.
l1nuxfre4k said:
I got a server with unlimited bandwidth and Storage so i thought i could start hosting all custom ROMs.
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While we appreciate your gesture, your host will suspend you and you'll lose your data. This is an unfortunately fact, as you appear to believe that you have "unlimited storage" - something that quite obviously does not exist. The majority of hosts that offer this ("unlimited" plans), limit you based on the fact you cannot simply host large files to download, or will suspend you for ToS infractions of excessive CPU, either way they'll get rid of you so they don't lose money. Unfortunately, this is a well known practise called overselling, something we will all fall foul to when purchasing our first hosting package(s).
More specifically, "unlimited storage" is fair share and the more problematic to enforce. Unlimited bandwidth is easy, a full month @ 10Mbits = 3.3TB - a sensible amount. They'll just throttle the server to make sure no-one can use too much bandwidth, if they have to. Realistic servers are around $200/mo/ea and have 4-10TB of BW, even if you bought that, it isn't "unlimited".
Not to rain on your parade, or anything.
thanks benko ^^
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While we appreciate your gesture, your host will suspend you and you'll lose your data. This is an unfortunately fact, as you appear to believe that you have "unlimited storage" - something that quite obviously does not exist. The majority of hosts that offer this ("unlimited" plans), limit you based on the fact you cannot simply host large files to download, or will suspend you for ToS infractions of excessive CPU, either way they'll get rid of you so they don't lose money. Unfortunately, this is a well known practise called overselling, something we will all fall foul to when purchasing our first hosting package(s).
Not to rain on your parade, or anything.
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already tested
I used 142GB
trust me i got lots of space
my hosting company responded when asked
Other Hosts: "UNLIMITED GB!!!!"
.... to which we had no choice but to reply ....
"UNLIMITED + 50GB!!!!"
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To be quite honest... Your host is lying. There is no such thing as unlimited storage or unlimited bandwidth (Unless you're on a very expensive unmetered port).
Anyhow, i think i'v proven with the kitchen that my limit is VERY high
STILL offering this to developers
And now for members to a very good price
l1nuxfre4k said:
STILL offering this to developers
And now for members to a very good price
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Hey,
I have 2 ROMs (HCDR.ROM and PuzzleROM)
Can I take up your offer please?
Thanks,
Jacob
Removed the OP in protest due to the abusive I endured by some XDA members. In spite of reporting them to the moderates of the forums in question and my views were shared with more members than the abusers one of my threads was closed instead.
To those truly care about technology and its surrounding matters, please accept my sincere apologies for this inconvenience. I will no longer be part of the XDA community. Thank you.
Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
CSharpHeaven said:
Part 2
Applications & Games
The very exaggerated figure (over 400,000) by Google is only to generate market hypes and to give an impression how popular the Android platform is.
The truth is Google has used hundreds of thousands of hopeful individuals with prospect of success to submit anything to fight back Apple's App Store, only in terms of numbers that is. The chance to success, financially, on Google's Play Store is only very small for established vendors and even smaller for individuals when the competition exceeds by vast numbers. Think of the odds in lottery to come to the same conclusion.
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You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.
Spell checker?
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nejc121 said:
Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.
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I'm glad you are not the only XDA member that can read.
what boggles me is that android is the first os that has gotten my trust, for better or for worse. as strange as it may sound, i like updates, i am happy when notifications drop in and i certainly read the changelogs and see what's new. no other OS has ever been able to do that to me. i am using windows at work, macosx at home and linux for website-server stuff. some of these systems are here for decades, and yet they have never really taken care of my needs. i have no trust in them and never had, i click away update nagscreens whenever i see them, i hate when firefox bugs me with it, i dont trust any application, i know they put their dump onto my harddrives, mess it all up from inside, they have brought their own installation/deinstallation scripts and deamons for updates that clog my ram and suck my bandwidth, they are unsigned and unsafe, they spam my screen with popups, i do not know what permissions they require and what api's they call - they do whatever the hell they want. i use them because i have to.
yes, android has kinks and problems, but this is the cleanest OS, from a users standpoint, i have seen and used. my technical background may be lacking but this was my first impression. and because of that i can deal with buggy apps just fine, i either tollerate it or uninstall and search for something works on the market. and for some crazy reason i enjoy it, although i hated it on pc/mac/linux. so in this regard i think the app-market is doing great. it is true of course that the quality from app to app varies alot, but many do have high standards and work flawlessly. i for one think it is good that the android market does not have severe restrictions, because updates can get pushed when a defect is found. you have the opposite on apple and i did read reports that state their apps generally crash more often, which makes absolute sense because each update must go through an odyssey of admittance. bugs itself will always happen, every programmer knows that, but the android market has made sure that we do not suffer from them as much as on other systems. the underbelly of android with its signing-mechanisms, permission-transparency, packet-installer, subtle notifications, etc., all this works for me and im using my desktop less and less for a reason.
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what boggles me is that android is the first os that has gotten my trust, for better or for worse. as strange as it may sound, i like updates, i am happy when notifications drop in and i certainly read the changelogs and see what's new. no other OS has ever been able to do that to me. i am using windows at work, macosx at home and linux for website stuff. some of these systems are here for decades, and yet they have never really taken care of my needs. i have no trust in them and never had, i click away update nagscreens whenever i see them, i hate when firefox bugs me with it, i dont trust any application, i know they put their dump into my systems, mess it up from inside, they have brought their own installation/deinstallation scripts and deamons for updates that clog my ram and suck my bandwidth, they are unsigned and unsafe, they spam my screen with popups, i do not know what permissions they require and what api's they call - they do whatever they want. i use them because i have to.
yes, android has kinks and problems, but this is the cleanest OS, from a users standpoint, i have seen and used. my technical background may be lacking but this is the first impression. and because of that i can deal with buggy apps just fine, i either tollerate it or uninstall and search for something works on the market. and for some crazy reason i enjoy it, although i hated it on pc/mac/linux. so in this regard i think the app-market is doing great. it is true of course that the quality of the apps varies alot, but many do have high standards and work flawlessly. i for one think it is good that the android market does not have severe restrictions, because updates can get pushed when a defect is found. you have the opposite on apple and i did read reports that state their apps generally crash more often, which makes absolute sense because each update must go through an odyssey of admittance. bugs itself will always happen, every programmer knows that, but the android market has made sure that we do not suffer from them as much as on other systems.
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Thank you for your inputs. I would like to clarify a couple of things, if you don't mind.
I have never made a comment about the Google Play Store's update process that updates the downloaded applications. Since you did, I do agree with you regarding the advantages you rightly addressed. What I might not agree with you is the trust where my credit card details can be added to the profile Google creates for all the citizens.
My point, that you responded to, was about the inability Android OS has to update itself the way, for example, Microsoft Windows or Apple's iOS can. Also the only thing Android can update on any Android handsets is the Google Play Store app. I found this very unfair when thousands of users, behalf the rest, were campaigning to push their respective manufacturers to release the next version of Android. During such campaign I fell ill from the distress. I cannot recall going through such similar experience in my 20+ in I.T. Believe me, being a software developer I can tolerate high mental pressures but that experience was something else. I don't wish anyone else go through the same experience ever and they shouldn't really.
I've been writing this article with the consideration of the bigger issues. I cannot conclude Android is a good platform based on a small technical convenience when I have vivid visions on what Google is doing with Android and beyond the mobile space.
If my ID suggests I must be a Microsoft's fan then allow me to say to the readers that I have only two Android phones which I use one of them to write my article and this response. Also I use an Android phone as my primary device, using up to three 1930mAh batteries a day. No, I don't watch movies on my phones but listen to music from time to time.
nejc121 said:
Holy ****, someone here has a massive grudge against Google and Android.
You see, you seem to be making contradictions on your own writing.
They never said 400,000 amazing super duper apps, they said 400,000 apps, no matter what quality.
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His name leads me to believe Microsoft Fanboi - C# is a Microsoft language very similar to java - but has enough similarities to be it's own language.
edit - you posted at a similar time to me.
I will read this from now on, but probably won't comment. I enjoy hearing what ppl have to say.
i have to use c# daily in my job, its great, my favourite until now. did you know that google once played with the thought to make it androids base language? read it somewhere. must be a myth though.
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CSharpHeaven said:
I found this very unfair when thousands of users, behalf the rest, were campaigning to push their respective manufacturers to release the next version of Android. During such campaign I fell ill from the distress. I cannot recall going through such similar experience in my 20+ in I.T.
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well, i am certainly pissed that my older handset, the s2, caught a disease called touchwizz recently instead of the modern operatig system i was hoping for. but falling ill? come on, get another phone, an iphone maybe, or if you still have hopes for android a nexus, and all will be fine. i learned my lesson from this, i'll never, ever buy something that is not directly maintained by google itself. i heard some people really loved touchwiz and samsungs efforts, to each his own. i thing its nice though that you have the choice.
I don't know if it's me, but am I the only one who's frustrated with the fact that there's hardly any ROM developers out there that offer options to download their ROMs via torrent sites.
The reason why I'm unhappy is that I wanted to download some ROMs to try out on my new Galaxy S4 and it seems that unlike the ones that were easy to download for my Galaxy SII, the ones that are available for the Galaxy S4 seem to be at least 1GB or more, which for those people who don't live in areas with fibre-optic broadband or have crap connections in general means that the download either doesn't get finished because it's taking too long to download or if by some miracle, it does get downloaded, it takes up to a day or more, especially if it's on a 2MB or less connection.
To all the ROM developers out there, please for the love of God, will you guys at least consider the option of making your ROM's available via sites like the Pirate Bay and Isohunt (And before anyone asks, yes, those sites deal with legal files as well!) as I can guarantee you that it will make a lot of people very happy indeed if they can download one a lot quicker via a torrent due to the huge amount of seeds that would be available as a result of people wanting to help others to download these files without difficulty.
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I don't know if it's me, but am I the only one who's frustrated with the fact that there's hardly any ROM developers out there that offer options to download their ROMs via torrent sites.
The reason why I'm unhappy is that I wanted to download some ROMs to try out on my new Galaxy S4 and it seems that unlike the ones that were easy to download for my Galaxy SII, the ones that are available for the Galaxy S4 seem to be at least 1GB or more, which for those people who don't live in areas with fibre-optic broadband or have crap connections in general means that the download either doesn't get finished because it's taking too long to download or if by some miracle, it does get downloaded, it takes up to a day or more, especially if it's on a 2MB or less connection.
To all the ROM developers out there, please for the love of God, will you guys at least consider the option of making your ROM's available via sites like the Pirate Bay and Isohunt (And before anyone asks, yes, those sites deal with legal files as well!) as I can guarantee you that it will make a lot of people very happy indeed if they can download one a lot quicker via a torrent due to the huge amount of seeds that would be available as a result of people wanting to help others to download these files without difficulty.
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The pirate bay is an illegal site and banned in most countries in europe. The reasons devs don't use P2P downloading is because selfish people who leach and don't seed...
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AndroHero said:
The pirate bay is an illegal site and banned in most countries in europe. The reasons devs don't use P2P downloading is because selfish people who leach and don't seed...
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So what you're basically saying to all those people who want to download huge-ass ROMs but can't because of their crappy connections is: "Tough ****!", am I correct?