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Note 3 KitKat (Sammobile) Soon

Saw this on twitter this morning. Gleefully they work out the bugs soon
https://twitter.com/SamMobiles/status/421961770769842176
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Great. S4,s kitkat test build is out, note 3 should come soon.
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I need it!

They have to get this right after the s3 4.3 debacle, I only want this pushed out if it is 100% working!
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Don't understand the relevance of this thread.
I bought my Note 3 in November 2013 and since then I have been reading that Note 3 would likely be getting Kit Kat in late January / early February.
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I wouldn't be so excited about this update.. A friend of mine who has the nexus 5 regrets of it .. The update was only an unthinkable restriction to certain android features.. According to him... My note is flying now on 4.3 and it can do more things than any other device in the market.. So.. Unless the move to KitKat is smooth I would stay in 4.3 for a while... Or I could be wrong.. Will see.. Hehe.
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I used to use 4.4.2 on my HTC One, before buying Note 3. KitKat 4.4.2 is nothing special unless you switch from Dalvik to Art, which Samsung will definitely not allow (neither did HTC, I was using the Google Edition ROM).
Other than Art, improvements in 4.4 are under the hood or related to devices with 512mb RAM or less. So don't expect much improvement to Note 3.
However, I'm hoping that Samsung will use the switch to 4.4 as an opportunity to iron out the bugs that cause battery drain. That'll certainly make the ROM upgrade worthwhile.

Not worth it if it BREAKS half the functions on APPs.
Every Update, They keep decreasing the number of functions APPs are able to use in Android.
So apps get more and more dumbed down until they are no different than Apple iOS Apps.

I'm sure all it will do is lock the system some more, like already MJ7 does, compared to MI7 which I have, also probably will get rid of permission settings which I use now and yeah, improving performance on 512MB phones now, when most makers going toward higher memory options, ain't that great? My phone runs good, battery is great, so I think I'll stick to "Don't fix it if it ain't broken" motto for my own good. I updated my old GS3 to 4.3 recently. The only difference I can see is that useless, stupid Knox now loaded on my phone, lesson learned, thanks.

pete4k said:
I'm sure all it will do is lock the system some more, like already MJ7 does, compared to MI7 which I have, also probably will get rid of permission settings which I use now and yeah, improving performance on 512MB phones now, when most makers going toward higher memory options, ain't that great? My phone runs good, battery is great, so I think I'll stick to "Don't fix it if it ain't broken" motto for my own good. I updated my old GS3 to 4.3 recently. The only difference I can see is that useless, stupid Knox now loaded on my phone, lesson learned, thanks.
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Yea man, feel for ya, gotta be super cautious of the bootloader changing after MJ1.
That's why it's best to not use OTA and read like a thousand developer posts before updating.
But either way, regarding 4.4, eventually you'll have to update once Apps start abandoning support for 4.3 just as they have for ICS.
ICS has lost a large fraction of apps that previously work for it thanks to Dev's abandoning support for older OSes.
This is becoming a serious problem for "oldER" devices moving forward.
Because of this, Android devices really shouldn't have much resale value.
Not only does a device not keep up with NEW features, but it's ALSO LOSING OLD FEATURES.
LOL Android, What a Joke. :laugh:
Tho to be fair, I understand this to be the cost of breakneck developing speed platforms compared to matured platforms like Windows.

Well, the way I look at it, in about 4-6 months Knox and all those new locks will be mere inconvenience and then if I need to upgrade to get some new programs to run, I will. But I don't share "can't wait to upgrade" attitude of others. I upgraded from Win 7 to Win 8 pretty much on release day, what a stupid move that was and what a pain to downgrade back to Win 7, never mind the money spend.

pete4k said:
Well, the way I look at it, in about 4-6 months Knox and all those new locks will be mere inconvenience and then if I need to upgrade to get some new programs to run, I will. But I don't share "can't wait to upgrade" attitude of others. I upgraded from Win 7 to Win 8 pretty much on release day, what a stupid move that was and what a pain to downgrade back to Win 7, never mind the money spend.
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The point is, if you upgrade to get some programs to run, some other ones will stop working.
Look at Tasker, seems like the number of accessible Google APIs for Apps are decreasing every version.

It'll be interesting to see if custom ROMs and kernels will allow ART to be enabled... however Wanam fails with ART, so people might not bother with it too much.

I guess development is dead?

I guess this phone is not what everyone wants it to be. Exposed and Gravity Box can only do so much for a crack flasher.
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Actually xposed provides just about everything any custom rom does. BTW, you posted in the wrong section.
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tecsironman said:
I guess this phone is not what everyone wants it to be. Exposed and Gravity Box can only do so much for a crack flasher.
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What improvements would you like to see? Request and maybe someone will be up for the challenge. Maybe not to create an entire ROM, but flashable zips at the least.

Most of the stuff I do is with gravity box. Most of the info and apk files are in the forums. I was just curious
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I came from the Vivid, where I was used to flashing something every other day too, so I know the pain of your withdrawals! I'm not sure battery life can be pushed too much farther on this thing though, and there isn't really any issues to fix. Once 4.4.3 appears I'm sure there will be people porting it.

The biggest problem from the start was people saying the stock OS was perfect and didn't need more than what exposed modules could do. Also this phone has 2 major stock apps that are loved by most touch less control and active notifications. For me that is a deal breaker in a custom ROM. Development is driven by want if the majority of people don't want custom ROMs why build them.

At this point just having root would be like winning a lottery with 4.4, and of course 4.4.2 would be nice as long as it's rootable as well. I got no real issues with the phone itself (the Droid Mini), and I have to admit I'm just sick and tired of dealing with custom ROMs (been doing that for over a decade now on 100+ devices), it's pretty much boring to me nowadays.
I just want a device that works, is rootable so I can run some things that legitimately require it (Titanium Backup primarily, a few others), a kernel that allows for some better performance adjustments and governors with tools like SetCPU or nowadays I prefer Trickster MOD for that stuff, and gives me battery life that I can reasonably count on, and a few tweaks here and there - my one big tweak that I really miss nowadays is using the volume buttons to skip tracks during music playback (screen off) since Motorola just won't put a damned TRRS headphone jack in their devices that allows for actual remotes that work on the headset cords - wonder why they refuse to do that so steadfastly... makes no damned sense to me. Samsung and Apple understand it matters and there's no issue with their devices, can't speak for HTC since I don't mess with their stuff anymore but it sure would have been nice to have proper volume/playback controls for these Motorola devices.
4.4 on the Droid Mini isn't doing that, obviously, at least not as well as I'd hope for battery life but I came from a Droid MAXX before it so I suppose there's nothing out there that comes close to that level of native battery life except the LG G2 and I haven't touched one of those.
As far as development goes, I would tend to lean towards it's basically dead for the Droid Ultra/MAXX/Mini at this point even in spite of them being so closely related to the Moto X/Moto G in some respects (X8 chipset, etc). It's a shame I suppose but that's how it goes.

I'm happy with just root. I use to have the flash itch, but not with this device. Custom Roms are great when they solve a real problem. They're a huge pain in my butt too though. I don't have any real issues with my maxx, so I wouldn't want to deal with the custom rom headaches.
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bigv5150 said:
The biggest problem from the start was people saying the stock OS was perfect and didn't need more than what exposed modules could do. Also this phone has 2 major stock apps that are loved by most touch less control and active notifications. For me that is a deal breaker in a custom ROM. Development is driven by want if the majority of people don't want custom ROMs why build them.
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/sign, good post. nothing else to add.
ps: and if you should remember the moto x development threads, as this phone is actually the same phone as the moto x, only with bigger screen... so i dont see a "problem" with flashing a moto x rom...

Even official development is dead since lenovo bought them.

radzer0 said:
Even official development is dead since lenovo bought them.
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Prove it
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Prove a word that has come from anyone lenovo and not google. Lenovo has a great track record of not updating even current android phones or tablets. There a hardware company and that is all they have been for quite some time. They dont even put together the images for there windows based computers anymore. Its an outside company that lenovo contracts too than loads the drives.
Lenovo wont even sell us any phones they make no matter what. A few years back there was a few models people wanted to see here and we never saw them other than graymarket. The motorola purchase is for the IP portfolio.

radzer0 said:
Prove a word that has come from anyone lenovo and not google. Lenovo has a great track record of not updating even current android phones or tablets. There a hardware company and that is all they have been for quite some time. They dont even put together the images for there windows based computers anymore. Its an outside company that lenovo contracts too than loads the drives.
Lenovo wont even sell us any phones they make no matter what. A few years back there was a few models people wanted to see here and we never saw them other than graymarket. The motorola purchase is for the IP portfolio.
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i cant see the problem of lenovo buying motorola. seriously. i mean as what we have seen to now, motorola was to google always the unwanted child which google tried to get rid of...
lets see what the future brings and we dont know how much lenovo will interfere in motorolas development (there will be some, thats sure).
the ip portfolio will stay at google. lenovo will only have some license rights to use them in their phones without haveing the fear of paying high patent fines to google. this deal was part of the contract lenovo did with google....

I think we have to just wait and watch, what Lenovo is going to do with Motorola.
Following three good things may happen
[1] Motorola phones getting SD slots again like all Lenovo phones.
[2] Motorola phones to come with bigger batteries NOT JUST IN DROID MAXX series like earlier, as Lenovo phones also have bigger batteries [P780 has 4000mAh battery)
[3] Motorola phones to reach much more markets especially in Asia and Europe.
[4] More better and affordable DualSIM phones (again NOT for USA) for Asia, Europe and Brazil
But following things are in UN-SURE mode
[1] Moto's faster updates MAY NOT continue (esp after Lenovo becomes boss of Motorola) as Lenovo has bad update history (if one exists in first place)
[2] Unlock BL program may NOT continue esp for GSM handsets sold in Asia and Europe, as I don't think Lenovo cares about Dev support

[DISSCUSION] Are unexploitable bootloaders bringing US development to an end?

Opinions from different perspectives are most welcome but please mind your Ps and Qs.
Thank you...

Where did you get this news? please share more details about this.

engineerd2 said:
Where did you get this news? please share more details about this.
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It is not news per se. And not meaning to be flip it is a simply a question brought on by the observation of facts as they present themselfs.

My 2 cents
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Opinions from different perspectives are most welcome but please mind your Ps and Qs.
Thank you...
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I don't think carriers are locking boot loaders to hinder development, in a strict sense. I believe they're doing it to force people to upgrade their devices more often, in order to gain any new innovations from OS upgrades. Take a look at the Samsung Infuse, a phone which was orphaned almost from the time of it's release. Thanks to a developer named Scott Hart, you can run kitkat 4.4 on it. If people hold on to their phones longer, profits go down.

rgrbckr said:
I don't think carriers are locking boot loaders to. hinder development, in a strict sense. I believe they're doing it to force people to upgrade their devices more often, in order to gain any new innovations from OS upgrades. Take a look at the Samsung Infuse, a phone which was orphaned almost from the time of it's release. Thanks to a developer named Scott Hart, you can run kitkat 4.4 on it. If people hold on to their phones longer, profits go down.
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I take your point and it's a good one. I do not know-for sure-the reasoning behind it just the result. Ironically, I do know that the majoritu of innovation-in my view-have come from xda members saving these carriers a lot of money in R&D. I remember loading CM on a tiny little phone a few years ago to get innvations that are now incorporated standard on most phones.
I would say it's interesting that I am continuously reminded what a small insignificant percentage xda members make up -- interestingly to argue diametrically opposed views.

numbR7 said:
I take your point and it's a good one. I do not know-for sure-the reasoning behind it just the result. Ironically, I do know that the majoritu of innovation-in my view-have come from xda members saving these carriers a lot of money in R&D. I remember loading CM on a tiny little phone a few years ago to get innvations that are now incorporated standard on most phones.
I would say it's interesting that I am continuously reminded what a small insignificant percentage xda members make up -- interestingly to argue diametrically opposed views.
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@NumbrR7: I second your point. I think that really grates (angers) me that most of the "new" phones are mostly incremental updates (i.e. better camera, updated OS). On another note, Oppo (based in mainland China) is gaining a niche for themselves because, from what I understand and read, the OS is developer-friendly and comes factory unlocked out of the box. USA carriers won't let that happen -- oh the horror. <rolling eyes>
Again, I affirm your position on this, numbR7.
XDA rules!

sameog said:
@NumbrR7: USA carriers won't let that happen -- oh the horror. <rolling eyes>
XDA rules!
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Corporate greed and capitalism. Having said that, I disagree, to some extent, with their line of thinking. I have the galaxy s, s2, s3, s4, s5 , and note3. I have had a custom Rom on every single device up until the s5 and the note. Rooting and updating to the latest OS only made me want the new hardware even more. But alas, I too think it might be fading. When it does, I think the opposite will happen, and I will hang on to my device longer. I am already thinking of going back to the s4 with Shostock on it, for my daily phone.

Poke01 said:
Corporate greed and capitalism. Having said that, I disagree, to some extent, with their line of thinking. I have the galaxy s, s2, s3, s4, s5 , and note3. I have had a custom Rom on every single device up until the s5 and the note. Rooting and updating to the latest OS only made me want the new hardware even more. But alas, I too think it might be fading. When it does, I think the opposite will happen, and I will hang on to my device longer. I am already thinking of going back to the s4 with Shostock on it, for my daily phone.
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I don't exactly agree with your first sentence (but it's worth discussion on a different type forum). That said. Your point is otherwise very well taken. You may get a new feature (maybe a new fade) but lose everthing else (that the freedom of controlling your own device gives you) suddenly that extra megapixel or two doesn't seem worth $650. Yep I'm sure of it! I think you have a really good point. I know it's a tad different but I choose to stick with Hyperdrive 15 (4.3) to avoid the hassles with SS and 4.4. That is NOT to say that I am bad mouthing SS. To the contrary, it's saved my behind. Hows that for nice language? Lol

Scott's still going with the Infuse?! Good on him! I loved that little phone. If it weren't for the problems with the video camera, I'd still be using it.
Well, this might rub some the wrong way but if all carriers started locking their bootloaders and forced buyers to choose based on hardware alone, I'd buy an iPhone. I love the little innovations that have come with an open Android - like Paranoid Android - but the hardware is usually underwhelming. The S4 has the screen going for it, but that's it. Apparently Apple will finally use larger screens on their iPhones so not much win for Samsung.
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Wyzpopper said:
Scott's still going with the Infuse?! Good on him! I loved that little phone. If it weren't for the problems with the video camera, I'd still be using it.
Well, this might rub some the wrong way but if all carriers started locking their bootloaders and forced buyers to choose based on hardware alone, I'd buy an iPhone. I love the little innovations that have come with an open Android - like Paranoid Android - but the hardware is usually underwhelming. The S4 has the screen going for it, but that's it. Apparently Apple will finally use larger screens on their iPhones so not much win for Samsung.
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I think you're right especially if the screen is bumped up. With the bootloader situation you already have an "i-droid" anyway. "Open source" no longer has meaning.

Hopefully this will accelerate the people looking at buying much cheaper phones that aren't locked to any specific carrier and also aren't boot locked. The effectiveness of upgrades is dimishing which should help push this shift and hopefully will ultimately keep these big phone manufacturers honest.

bnolsen said:
Hopefully this will accelerate the people looking at buying much cheaper phones that aren't locked to any specific carrier and also aren't boot locked. The effectiveness of upgrades is dimishing which should help push this shift and hopefully will ultimately keep these big phone manufacturers honest.
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I've already looked into those "cheaper" phones. Most of them, right now, anyway, don't have LTE chipsets yet. In addition, 4G just rolled out in China (we get the new stuff first -- obviously). However, the cheaper phones are made and shipped factory unlocked. Some phones have a dual sim slots (i.e. one sim for personal, one sim for business).
I'm partnered up with a wholesaler and have access to everything he carries. The best part is that he doesn't "compete" with whom he partners up with -- bad for business, he says.
My .02 =)

as others have said it's just the way of big business in the 21st century. up until a week ago i had a 2 year old S2 which was running a 4.4.2 ROM (ressurection remix). if i hadnt been able to root and flash a ROM i'd have probably got myself a new phone long ago so locking down phones may get customers to upgrade more often (i know it would with me) as it is i bought my new phone outright and have gone payg to save myself some money and also to be able to upgrade as and when i like. i did look at some of the chinese phones (goophone being one) but wasnt sure of the root capabilities so decided to give it a miss.
i think even locked bootloaders will eventually be hacked. nothing is impossible. it's just down to when and how long we wait.

I took a brief reprieve from this forum, since there wasn't any groundbreaking progress made (and by "groundbreaking", I mean exploited bootloader).
It looks as if that has remained unchanged? I've only had the S4 for a year now, but I am officially "over" Samsung devices. Very aesthetically pleasing, but hardly functional overall. Battery is crap on every Samsung device, and the only thing that ever helped me was either buying a 3rd party with larger capacity, and/or running a custom ROM/kernel combo that allows for both less consumption as well as rapid-charge.
I'm interested to see this new thing Google is going to unveil to replace the GPE phones. I have no issue paying full price for a device that I can do whatever I want with, and know that there will be a strong following for. Even if that following is only a certain, small niche of the overall market.
It's a shame that my fun with AOSP had to come to a screeching halt, I loved the simplicity and functionality of it.

I don't think carriers make much or any money from selling new hardware. They make their money from plans.
That said, I'm happy to be on 4.4.2 SlimRom. ☺

disturbd1 said:
I took a brief reprieve from this forum, since there wasn't any groundbreaking progress made (and by "groundbreaking", I mean exploited bootloader).
It looks as if that has remained unchanged? I've only had the S4 for a year now, but I am officially "over" Samsung devices. Very aesthetically pleasing, but hardly functional overall. Battery is crap on every Samsung device, and the only thing that ever helped me was either buying a 3rd party with larger capacity, and/or running a custom ROM/kernel combo that allows for both less consumption as well as rapid-charge.
I'm interested to see this new thing Google is going to unveil to replace the GPE phones. I have no issue paying full price for a device that I can do whatever I want with, and know that there will be a strong following for. Even if that following is only a certain, small niche of the overall market.
It's a shame that my fun with AOSP had to come to a screeching halt, I loved the simplicity and functionality of it.
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Well, even if I sold my i337, the battery life was honestly very good for me. There's the facts that maybe I don't use it heavily every day, but I turn GPS on only when I have to find a specific place I haven't been to before. GPS down - battery life up. 3G down, unless I need it - battery life up. Power saving mode - battery life up.
As for the Android Silver program, we all are curious to see how will this turn out.

This phone is depressing! A few thoughts and ramblings...

First off let me say that I love this phone. The build quality while not the best is good enough and the materials used come together very nicely. The Moto X also has all the features I am looking for (quick charge, nice screen, stereo front facing speakers, expandable storage and unlocked and rootable!).
So why am I depressed about it?
The phone seems to not be as popular as it deserves and with that it doesn't get the massive amounts of support of other inferior devices. After owning this phone since October I have tried my hardest to grow to love the stock firmware as it is so close to google's. However (I'm not sure how many of you will agree with me here), I am very fond of CM and seeing that the Moto G 2015 has been officially supported for what feels like forever now I'm not sure the Moto X will ever be.
I know there are dedicated individuals working hard to further development projects for this device and I am very grateful for that. It just feels like the community for this phone is very small which has caught me off guard because the device seemingly has everything most people could want.
Anyways, I'm not entirely sure why I wrote this but I'd like to hear your guys' thoughts and opinions.

I agree with you that I was assuming there would be way more support for this phone and I also though it would be easier to mess with as far as rooting and such. I'm no developer or self proclaimed rooting expert but it seems like if you are on android 6.0 stock it's not that easy to get rooted or downgrade to 5.x and root. I thought being unlocked and so near stock that this would all be a breeze but ever since I unrooted and upgraded to stock 6.0 rooting again is a pretty big undertaking. I'm not complaining here I do really like the stock OS but I love messing with the OS too. Here's to hoping some time in the near future there is a solid root option for stock 6.0

When I first seen the title I was like 'really'?/But as iv read further , there's one spot on point I agree with you on...
I expected the this phone to be one of the more popular, development wise, rom wise.
So when I first came to XDA and looked in the Moto X Pure section, WOW, I was sadly SADLY surprised.
3 CURRENT ROMS. are you joking me?
I told my self once the kernel source(or whatever) was released, THAT'S when things would change, that is when the list would grow..... IT HAS NOT THO....
THIS has been a let down. When I buy a phone, I want to be sure bec to me, its a hassle to do Re-Sale on EBay or Swappa or CL, Its just a hassle, I don't want to do it, Unless I absolutely have to. SO I'm sticking with the phone I buy most likely. So I'm sticking with it.
I could have spent 100 more to get the 6p, but at that time, everyone was talking DOWN the 6p, plus its a tad too big for me, I didn't want it then. Given the unpopularity in development this phone surprisingly is, it would be nice to have the 6p, but to me, going through the resale hassle, I think I'll pass.
Lastly, to the OP of this Post. I agree on one point, its very very surprising the unpopularity of the phone STILL. It's almost unexplainable.
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Ive been a long time lg and htc user prior to this.... Yes theres few roms but heres my take.... while lg g2 g3 g4 have lots of roms activities and users... Let me tell you how it works... First most of the ppl on there only complain about bugs and how they bricked their phones or complain of the hideous lg stock rom lag and interface... Then they flash bug filled. Aosp roms and complain about bugs and camera etc..... Wit moto x ppl dont have to be active in the forum bc first.. Stock rom is aosp... ....... Everything just works and feels great... And you can falsh optimized stock rom and ull have stability of stock roms+fluidness of aosp roms...(no need for users to stick around to complain... They jt flash they're rom and are of to enjoy it) You jt cant lose with this phone!!!! I appreciate the heck out of my fone and of mostly intelligent satisfied users!!!! Im my opinion this phone is second to only the nexus 6p right now.... And well the reason i have this is bc i got it for a measly 83$ on a amazing deal on ebay... Anyways. Thats alll... My opinion is complete
Edit.... Oh and ive nvr owned a phone with a signal quality even close to this one... Its baffling how much better it is then it was on my m8 or g3 or g4...

I came from the LG G4, what they did there is they got a well known Cyanogen Dev to agree to support that device if they helped him get it.
They got Codeworkx, (a great developer btw) and he jump started development right away squashing bugs left and right.
Maybe they can do that here? get a well known Developer to agree and see if they can get donations going for him.
I know things like this have gone down south before with devs not commiting and dropping/selling the device right away.
But there are good devs are there that are commited but just dont have funds to get devices.

Historically, the moto x line has never had much development. My own personal opinion is because there isn't much need: updates come fast, stock moto features are excellent, and performance tends to be very good and there is very little bloat. Other than the nexus line, where the devs have source code to work with, devices that come with good software tend to get less developer interest.
Obviously there are exceptions to this, just my observations after owning many phones over the years.

I just got the X for my dad and i believe its perfect for him (not so sure about the large display though), but he won't be messing around with ROMs and stuff.
However, I simply can't decide between this and the 5x for myself (6P is out of my budget). I love everything the X Style offers but I dread that I will soon get bored of the stock experience and crave for the bells and whistles that custom ROMs offer. The downside to flashing a ROM on the X is you lose out on Moto Display, Voice, Actions, and Assist--is that not the case? If I'm not mistaken, isn't Moto's implementation of these features significantly better than those found in CM?

I will echo what's been said and maybe add some points of my own. I love this phone I do, and maybe the fact that it has no issues is the issue but I also love seeing what else there is out there as far as rom's etc. I have yet to even root/unlock this phone because I almost see no major reason. I mean major, I know there's some xposed modules and whatnot but I used to love/hate trying out new roms just to see what they're like even with the bugs. I've moved on from the whole hack your phone scene but only because it seems to be less and less fun. Maybe the fact that the moto x pure is great as is, is the issue. No reason to really change anything. It's a good problem to have I guess.

roofrider said:
I just got the X for my dad and i believe its perfect for him (not so sure about the large display though), but he won't be messing around with ROMs and stuff.
However, I simply can't decide between this and the 5x for myself (6P is out of my budget). I love everything the X Style offers but I dread that I will soon get bored of the stock experience and crave for the bells and whistles that custom ROMs offer. The downside to flashing a ROM on the X is you lose out on Moto Display, Voice, Actions, and Assist--is that not the case? If I'm not mistaken, isn't Moto's implementation of these features significantly better than those found in CM?
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Moto's implementation is MUCH better than you'll find on any rom and/or xposed module. You will not find touchless display and moto voice that work well anywhere else. Also, you can get bells and whistles by installing gravitybox on stock-based roms. I've ran cm12.1/13 on my oneplus one for nearly a year and since switching to the moto x with gravitybox, I don't miss a thing.

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Ive been a long time lg and htc user prior to this.... Yes theres few roms but heres my take.... while lg g2 g3 g4 have lots of roms activities and users... Let me tell you how it works... First most of the ppl on there only complain about bugs and how they bricked their phones or complain of the hideous lg stock rom lag and interface... Then they flash bug filled. Aosp roms and complain about bugs and camera etc..... Wit moto x ppl dont have to be active in the forum bc first.. Stock rom is aosp... ....... Everything just works and feels great... And you can falsh optimized stock rom and ull have stability of stock roms+fluidness of aosp roms...(no need for users to stick around to complain... They jt flash they're rom and are of to enjoy it) You jt cant lose with this phone!!!! I appreciate the heck out of my fone and of mostly intelligent satisfied users!!!! Im my opinion this phone is second to only the nexus 6p right now.... And well the reason i have this is bc i got it for a measly 83$ on a amazing deal on ebay... Anyways. Thats alll... My opinion is complete[emoji14]
Edit.... Oh and ive nvr owned a phone with a signal quality even close to this one... Its baffling how much better it is then it was on my m8 or g3 or g4...
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Good points. I do wish we had a bit more variety rom wise tho.
Yeah 6p was just out my price range at the time, and also it wasnt as popular of a Choice at its launch as its been more recently.
For me specifically, I consume a lot of media, so speakers are a bit more important to me than some others, and was close to the most important feature I was looking for. I came from the htc M7, so when I heard the MXPE, I was not disappointed. As someone else said, this phone probably has the best speakers on a phone, even the 6p...... based on reviews and YouTube videos only.
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Theres not much to fix on this device, if and when CM gets official, you will see more rom in the dev section.
I love this phone that it doesnt get in my way and works just how I want it, heck I dont even keep tapatalk on my phone anymore since I never need to come here look for fixes or improvements

it is just 6months of release.. i think rom numbers and kernel numbers will improve over time...also the processor is almost new...there is very less work on msm8992...
also no vendor gives updates so fast.
LGs,HTCs,Samsungs take forever to update

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I agree with you that I was assuming there would be way more support for this phone and I also though it would be easier to mess with as far as rooting and such. I'm no developer or self proclaimed rooting expert but it seems like if you are on android 6.0 stock it's not that easy to get rooted or downgrade to 5.x and root. I thought being unlocked and so near stock that this would all be a breeze but ever since I unrooted and upgraded to stock 6.0 rooting again is a pretty big undertaking. I'm not complaining here I do really like the stock OS but I love messing with the OS too. Here's to hoping some time in the near future there is a solid root option for stock 6.0
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Unlock the bootloader, flash twrp through platform tools(adb-fastboot), flash chainfire supersu systemless root, it takes 10 min.

Yes, there are less ROMs compared to many other phones, but you must consider that most other phones don't come with a nearly pure Android experience. Those custom ROMs all try to focus on AOSP/CM builds that provide a pure Android experience along with extra features. This phone just doesn't need that as much.
Personally, I use to love flashing different ROMs to find the one that provides the best performance and feature set combination. This phone already has the performance, and Xposed and Layers provide all the features and custom look as desired. We also have a few solid kernels, too.
If you need a lot of ROMs, pick a phone that has a manufacturer-built version of Android that developers want to replace or a Nexus phone
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The stock ROM, rooted with Xposed and GravityBox can cover most of what a custom ROM can give you. And without the bugs.

Faint333 said:
First off let me say that I love this phone. The build quality while not the best is good enough and the materials used come together very nicely. The Moto X also has all the features I am looking for (quick charge, nice screen, stereo front facing speakers, expandable storage and unlocked and rootable!).
So why am I depressed about it?
The phone seems to not be as popular as it deserves and with that it doesn't get the massive amounts of support of other inferior devices. After owning this phone since October I have tried my hardest to grow to love the stock firmware as it is so close to google's. However (I'm not sure how many of you will agree with me here), I am very fond of CM and seeing that the Moto G 2015 has been officially supported for what feels like forever now I'm not sure the Moto X will ever be.
I know there are dedicated individuals working hard to further development projects for this device and I am very grateful for that. It just feels like the community for this phone is very small which has caught me off guard because the device seemingly has everything most people could want.
Anyways, I'm not entirely sure why I wrote this but I'd like to hear your guys' thoughts and opinions.
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It's not depressing if you have Xposed framework and VZW Unlimited Data. I may keep this phone for 1-2 years instead of upgrading every 6 months.

I agree, just got this phone the other day and i thought there'd be a lot of rom support, easy rooting, more mods, etc. Kind of a shame for a very good phone.

About the camera
My main complaint about this phone after owning a LG G4 and Galaxy S6 is the lack of the camera 2 API. Why after virtually bringing this feature on board of the Google Nexus 6 and claming that this phone have a comparable camera to last year's flagships, they take away something out, that us owners are more than capable of taking advantage. The camera is good, but could be better, and if they don't feel like doing it we should've been able to do something about it. Dumb move Motorola.

One problem with this phone is that it has to have qcoms multi Sim implementation. So you will not see (m)any AOSP based ROM's.
This because it is a lot of work to make multi Sim work. And yes the implementation of Qualcomm multi Sim is different then the aosp implementation.
You will only see CM based custom ROM's or stock based modifications. CM based ROM's because CM has a lot more resources to integrate this.
(I tried to get omnirom working, but ran into the multi Sim problem).

the design was good but i got tired of the lag and overheating, even on the s808 chip. went to the iphone 6s for 2 months then im back on droid but with a nexus 6p. best device ive had, no lag or overheating, great support. maybe the OP should consider buying it.
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JOSE89178 said:
I agree, just got this phone the other day and i thought there'd be a lot of rom support, easy rooting, more mods, etc. Kind of a shame for a very good phone.
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alot of it has to do with levono buying moto and the uncertain future of the moto line. plus the fact moto seems to drop support easily.

Question To root or not to root, that is the question.

So, I d like to get your opinions on rooting the S22 U
I've always been a fan of rooting, it would be the 1st thing I did after buying a new Samsung/android phone (coming from the HTC hero days followed by a Samsung Galaxy S2, with a bunch of phonessince then and now upgraded from an S10 ) regardless of how it would affect warranty.
But now, it doesn't seem as much as a necessity as it once was. The phone has been out for a few months , rom development is kinda stagnant ( not complaining ) no real Dev initiatives like it used to be. Debloating can be done without root.
So what is the REAL need to root the S 22 U right now? It pains me to as this question. I ve had my phone for about a week now and don't see the need for rooting like I once used to.
Would like to hear your perspectives on it.
Thanks !

Honestly if you have bank apps on that phone, rooting is a no go since rooting blocks the bank app from even opening. If you dont, rooting is the best way to gain the performance out of your new phone, since its still a new phone, I wouldnt flash anything cause of warranty for about 2-3 years I havent had any kind of experience with warranty since most of the devices I flashed on are old devices which the warranty expired years ago.

I have 2 stock N10+'s that run like bats out of hell. They fulfill their mission and require very little maintenance. The load on this one in my hand is over 2 yo. I see no tangible benefits worth rooting in my case, just the opposite.

syonox said:
Honestly if you have bank apps on that phone, rooting is a no go since rooting blocks the bank app from even opening. If you dont, rooting is the best way to gain the performance out of your new phone, since its still a new phone, I wouldnt flash anything cause of warranty for about 2-3 years I havent had any kind of experience with warranty since most of the devices I flashed on are old devices which the warranty expired years ago.
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Fair point and I agree. But with nothing happening for months, so far, I wounder what would be going on with the phone from a development perspective, years from now.
Devs used to jump on new phone releases to put out roms, apps, kernels etc .
I don't quite see it here with the S22U

blackhawk said:
I have 2 stock N10+'s that run like bats out of hell. They fulfill their mission and require very little maintenance. The load on this one in my hand is over 2 yo. I see no tangible benefits worth rooting in my case, just the opposite.
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If you see no benefits just dont root it, if you spot something you like and it requires root just root it simple as that

blackhawk said:
I have 2 stock N10+'s that run like bats out of hell. They fulfill their mission and require very little maintenance. The load on this one in my hand is over 2 yo. I see no tangible benefits worth rooting in my case, just the opposite.
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Exactly. My old s10 serves as my backup at the moment and I still use it out of comfort and habit. I miss it already !

nayak.aj said:
Fair point and I agree. But with nothing happening for months, so far, I wounder what would be going on with the phone from a development perspective, years from now.
Devs used to jump on new phone releases to put out roms, apps, kernels etc .
I don't quite see it here with the S22U
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It comes with time, most roms take ages to get made cause of the vendors,kernel and device tree, although your phone just got released (25 of february 2022) It mostly will take a year for something interesting to popup.

syonox said:
If you see no benefits just dont root it, if you spot something you like and it requires root just root it simple as that
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I guess that's the way to go now.

syonox said:
It comes with time, most roms take ages to get made cause of the vendors,kernel and device tree, although your phone just got released (25 of february 2022) It mostly will take a year for something interesting to popup.
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I understand. Samsung hasn't made it easy either. Fingers crossed man !

nayak.aj said:
Exactly. My old s10 serves as my backup at the moment and I still use it out of comfort and habit. I miss it already !
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Factory sealed new N10+'s are still for sale... the Beast is fun to use, plenty of snap without the power draining junk. Best of all it's loaded with Android 10. The one in my hand is still running on Pie though, which I prefer.
The display still out does the variable refresh rate displays in terms of color rendering index and gamma range. That was a big selling point for me. Not as bright or smooth but better color calibration. The expandable storage clinched it.
I not happy with Samsung's flagship progress; the N10+ was their last well balanced offering.
It's sad that I would knowledgeably choose a 3 generation year old flagship over a new one... because Samsung just keeps dropping the ball.
The reliability of the S22U is untested because it's so new. Variable refresh rate displays have demonstrated a higher failure rate across the board. For this reason alone I would wait before breaking the warranty by rooting.

Funny thing is I dont even own a S22 U, nor any samsung device expect the J1 (J100H) and the S3 Mini (I8190) which are phones that are from 2015 and 2012, The main device I use is a stupid P40 Lite, its a bad phone cause of no GMS and rooting or adding a custom recovery Is practically impossible, I also own a ZTE KIS 3 which I absolutely ADORE.

syonox said:
Funny thing is I dont even own a S22 U, nor any samsung device expect the J1 (J100H) and the S3 Mini (I8190) which are phones that are from 2015 and 2012, The main device I use is a stupid P40 Lite, its a bad phone cause of no GMS and rooting or adding a custom recovery Is practically impossible, I also own a ZTE KIS 3 which I absolutely ADORE.
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I have a S4+ and a ruggedized Motorola flip top relic. Samsung was firing on all cylinders with the N10+, their zenith in my opinion. This one (always in a Bolt case) will be 3 yo in October. The only repair has been a battery, due for another. It's heavily used. It looks and runs like new, zero display degradation. Both my N10+'s will likely be my #1's for 2-3+ more years. Maybe the global recession will kick some sense into Samsung... I'm not holding my breath though as the fail is strong with make an excuse Samsung.
Samsung lost their minds, Google Android lost their minds; they are more iPhone than Android now. I predict this year and likely next year will be a dismal wash for both.
Maybe 2025 will be better...

As of right now there is no root, no bootloader unlock anyway. Each user is different. If you think you need it for certain apps then root. But again S22U doesn't even have it so.....

blackhawk said:
Factory sealed new N10+'s are still for sale... the Beast is fun to use, plenty of snap without the power draining junk. Best of all it's loaded with Android 10. The one in my hand is still running on Pie though, which I prefer.
The display still out does the variable refresh rate displays in terms of color rendering index and gamma range. That was a big selling point for me. Not as bright or smooth but better color calibration. The expandable storage clinched it.
I not happy with Samsung's flagship progress; the N10+ was their last well balanced offering.
It's sad that I would knowledgeably choose a 3 generation year old flagship over a new one... because Samsung just keeps dropping the ball.
The reliability of the S22U is untested because it's so new. Variable refresh rate displays have demonstrated a higher failure rate across the board. For this reason alone I would wait before breaking the warranty by rooting.
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Inthink the 10 series in both note and galaxy was Samsung's peak !

butchieboy said:
As of right now there is no root, no bootloader unlock anyway. Each user is different. If you think you need it for certain apps then root. But again S22U doesn't even have it so.....
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We do have root. Check the forums. But it depends on which variant you have , I think thenorth American versions have a locked bootloader, hence not possible at the moment

nayak.aj said:
We do have root. Check the forums. But it depends on which variant you have , I think thenorth American versions have a locked bootloader, hence not possible at the moment
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Well poster did say U version my response was geared to that.

nayak.aj said:
So, I d like to get your opinions on rooting the S22 U
I've always been a fan of rooting, it would be the 1st thing I did after buying a new Samsung/android phone (coming from the HTC hero days followed by a Samsung Galaxy S2, with a bunch of phonessince then and now upgraded from an S10 ) regardless of how it would affect warranty.
But now, it doesn't seem as much as a necessity as it once was. The phone has been out for a few months , rom development is kinda stagnant ( not complaining ) no real Dev initiatives like it used to be. Debloating can be done without root.
So what is the REAL need to root the S 22 U right now? It pains me to as this question. I ve had my phone for about a week now and don't see the need for rooting like I once used to.
Would like to hear your perspectives on it.
Thanks !
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I rooted all my phones since ever. I admit the several reasons for rooting aren't a thing anymore. However there are still some left.
I rooted my S22U because of sound apps like Viper4Android (which unfortunately didn't work) and JamesDSP (this one works nicely). I also like to tweak appearance, like statusbar icons.
To be fair, if I don't have a rooted phone I feel that I don't have control of my own phone. Kinda like an Apple user lol.
To conclude, I do use several banks and etc apps that shouldn't work in rooted phones, but magisk hide root pretty well. The only downside of rooting for me are samasung pay (i use GooglePay) and samsung pass (also use google for passwords and logins) besides warranty. Which I never used in any phone.

butchieboy said:
Well poster did say U version my response was geared to that.
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I thought you meant U = Ultra . Nevermind my bad

nayak.aj said:
So, I d like to get your opinions on rooting the S22 U
I've always been a fan of rooting, it would be the 1st thing I did after buying a new Samsung/android phone (coming from the HTC hero days followed by a Samsung Galaxy S2, with a bunch of phonessince then and now upgraded from an S10 ) regardless of how it would affect warranty.
But now, it doesn't seem as much as a necessity as it once was. The phone has been out for a few months , rom development is kinda stagnant ( not complaining ) no real Dev initiatives like it used to be. Debloating can be done without root.
So what is the REAL need to root the S 22 U right now? It pains me to as this question. I ve had my phone for about a week now and don't see the need for rooting like I once used to.
Would like to hear your perspectives on it.
Thanks !
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If you have bank/crypto apps then don't or wait for another 3 years before rooting or if you get new phone. For me rooting now is not that important coz how powerful phones now. I've been rooting on the past coz phones back then has slow processors.

Back in the day when I had a Samsung Galaxy Nexus (Verizon), I had to root if I wanted to use Google Wallet (now Google Pay). Verizon had locked down its phones and if you wanted to use non-Verizon apps like Google Maps or Google Wallet (now Google Pay), you had to root.
Since then, I haven't rooted any of my subsequent Android phones (Note 2, HTC One M9, S8+, Note 8, and Note 10+ 5G). They all did what I needed (or wanted) without rooting.
If you are a tinkerer or there is an app or capability that you need that requires you to root your phone, then root away. Just be mindful that there are 2nd and 3rd order effects to rooting and not all of them are obvious.