Hi,
A Question for people who use bare z3 or just a back case without anything on the front, long term and as daily driver as the only smartphone:
How is your z3 glass holding in regard to scratches/shattering/dirt/oleophobic coating, etc? did you have some inevitable sand scratches or such?
I'm planing to buy z5 premium when it launches and i'm considering using it only with a back case and maybe bare for sometimes for a change because i usually use a leather folder case that protects both the front and back. I'm assuming sony uses the same glass of z3. If i will use a back cover i'm more worried of scratches then shattering because i take a good care of my smartphone. A small scratch hurts my heart especially when the phone is in its early years (i usually replace my phone every 4-5 years) so knowing what i'm facing will help me decide. As for glass protector i read that it degrades from the experience though i never tried one.
z3 screen has a tempered glass but its scratchable, talking from XP
Usually put it in my car cup holder, back scratches easily. Just bought back and front nilkin hard films. They are good
The front glass will be about as resistant to scratches as just about any other flagship, but remember sand can scratch it. It's the compressive stress layer at the surface that gives it strength so any scratches may significantly weaken it, obviously depending on the depth and extent.
The back glass on the other hand as others have said, at least on the Z3 seems to be pretty soft and extremely easy to scratch, so you may want to make sure the back is properly protected.
I use the Nilkin H+, it's pretty great and cheap at the same time. Unless you abuse it or buy an extremely bad quality glass protector that's very "soft" I doubt you will see tempered glass protectors degrade any time soon.
Using Z3 since January this year. Before it, i had Xperia Z2. I always use back cover but never used anything on front glass.. Don't have any scratches on front glass. I had Xperia Z2 since launch til January 2015, used it with back cover & when i sold it, it had not even a single scratch on front or back. It was as good as a brand new phone. My Xperia Z3 lokk like a brand new phone, no scratches what so ever & i have used them as daily drivers & i am a heavy user as i use my mobiles as GPS, for music listening, for youtube etc etc.
Thanks for the replies,
For people who use high quality front glass tempered protector like nillkin, do you notice any degradation in the display legibility, colors, viewing angles, touch responsiveness, swipe feel, etc. compared to bare?
i am currently using orzly tempered glass on the front and it doesn't affect the display quality, so no degradation at all. especially the orzly protector even has a better swipe feel than the original screen.
I'm tempted to try front tempered glass and back tg or back skin like dbrand.
1. Which are considered the highest quality tempered glasses on the market for xperia z devices? i read recommendations here and there for nillkin, orzly and mocolo, like mentioned above, maybe there is a thread which settles that? what is important for me the most is one with the highest transparency, i see nillkin claim 99.99% with one of their tg.
2. Is trying back tg a good idea? is it not too slippery?
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Hey peeps!
The Z3 is on the to me, yay! I bought it from Three Sweden. I also talked to the guy in the store about getting a screen protector. He recommended the Copter one that they sell. Is that the best one or is it better ones?
Same with me,im getting my sim free copper color from elgiganten next week but not sure which screen protector front/back side to order.?Any idea what was the best one for Z2 ?
spigen or IQ Shield both make good protectors.. in all honesty, i don't ever use screen protectors as these days on modern phones they're generally a waste of money. from all the years i've used a phone with gorilla glass, i've yet to have a single scratch. i think screen protectors just ruin the display picture and sensitivity and takes away from the whole purpose of buying these phones with a display just to cover them up with plastic.. well, that's just my opinion.
tft said:
spigen or IQ Shield both make good protectors.. in all honesty, i don't ever use screen protectors as these days on modern phones they're generally a waste of money. from all the years i've used a phone with gorilla glass, i've yet to have a single scratch. i think screen protectors just ruin the display picture and sensitivity and takes away from the whole purpose of buying these phones with a display just to cover them up with plastic.. well, that's just my opinion.
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In the past, Sony put silly screen protectors on the screens. With the Z2, they stopped and put a decent tempered glass on it. Not sure how good it is, but, if it's at the quality we're used to from other phones, then it's a waste - unless going near sand.
Ive broken a couple of Gorilla glass screens from falling or for example, having it in the pocket and accidently hitting something hard. Which means having a hard glass protection cracks the protection first before it hits the actual glass on the phone. So yeah, Im getting a hard glass protection
Ive hardly seen anything about the different protections from Copter here, any notion why? The Copter Exoglass seems really good Gotta check out the other ones you mentioned
This is my set of accessories:
Battery charger (1 hour!)
http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00RD0U6IQ?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
Cover
http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B014J5MLF8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
Tempered glass
http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B015UHVPH4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00
All tested by me
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Nice setup!
I got a krusell Ekerö wallet for my Z5C yesterday.
Fits perfectly and the quality of the leather is great!
There are slots for the speakers and microphone, which enables you to talk on the phone without having it open and flapping all over your face.
Only wish that it was possible to answer the phone with a physical button, eg. the volume rocker, instead of having to open the case and answer using the screen...
However, I am not a big fan of the placement of the magnetic lock, which consists of two parts one on the top and one on the bottom.
It blocks the power button and makes it kind of akward to operate the powerbutton.
This tempered glass is also perfect fit (identical cutouts as per of OP's suggestion.)
Roxfit Xperia Z5 Compact Screen Protector (Tempered Glass) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B015ECYX2O/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_3u4gwb655JA4T
Highly recommend tempered glass, coming from z3c. It's a MUST
This case is a great interim case untilthe almighty Devil Case come through.
Orzly® - FlexiSlim Case for SONY XPERIA Z5 COMPACT (2015 SmartPhone Model / Smallest Version / XPERIA Z5 MINI) - Super Slim (0.35mm) Protective Phone Cover in Semi Transparent WHITE https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B015PRSGDU/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_gw4gwb3M6HF4H
It's not supurb protection on drop as its only rubber BUT great fit and coverage for sure.
Both items came delivered in 1 and 2 days respectively
this might be off topic, but what good is this tempered glass? In most cases (and I mean like 90%) people break their screens when the device lands on a corner (or the devices edges). So this thick peace of glass on the screen wont help at all, only if your device falls flat on its screen or there is something like stones on the ground and it lands on them (but mostly flat, again).
I just happen to see all this hammering and cutting tests with the glass, which are completely irrelevant for the real world scenarios and I don't understand why people actually use it.
dillalade said:
This tempered glass is also perfect fit (identical cutouts as per of OP's suggestion.)
Roxfit Xperia Z5 Compact Screen Protector (Tempered Glass) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B015ECYX2O/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_3u4gwb655JA4T
Highly recommend tempered glass, coming from z3c. It's a MUST
This case is a great interim case untilthe almighty Devil Case come through.
Orzly® - FlexiSlim Case for SONY XPERIA Z5 COMPACT (2015 SmartPhone Model / Smallest Version / XPERIA Z5 MINI) - Super Slim (0.35mm) Protective Phone Cover in Semi Transparent WHITE https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B015PRSGDU/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_gw4gwb3M6HF4H
It's not supurb protection on drop as its only rubber BUT great fit and coverage for sure.
Both items came delivered in 1 and 2 days respectively
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How is the grip on the orzly flexislim case, compared to naked z5c? improved or approx. the same?
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this might be off topic, but what good is this tempered glass? In most cases (and I mean like 90%) people break their screens when the device lands on a corner (or the devices edges). So this thick peace of glass on the screen wont help at all, only if your device falls flat on its screen or there is something like stones on the ground and it lands on them (but mostly flat, again).
I just happen to see all this hammering and cutting tests with the glass, which are completely irrelevant for the real world scenarios and I don't understand why people actually use it.
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It protects against scratches
I just need a tempered glass with the form of a "ring" (empty in the middle). Just to paste it around the camera and lift it from the desk.
Unfortunately it doesn't exist. [emoji24]
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Mythos123 said:
How is the grip on the orzly flexislim case, compared to naked z5c? improved or approx. the same?
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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It is still very slippery, unfortunately. Probably more grippy material but smoother edges make the overall grippyness a wash.
shinde said:
this might be off topic, but what good is this tempered glass? In most cases (and I mean like 90%) people break their screens when the device lands on a corner (or the devices edges). So this thick peace of glass on the screen wont help at all, only if your device falls flat on its screen or there is something like stones on the ground and it lands on them (but mostly flat, again).
I just happen to see all this hammering and cutting tests with the glass, which are completely irrelevant for the real world scenarios and I don't understand why people actually use it.
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I dropped my Z3C with the edge first on the metal feet of my office desk , this caused the tempered glass to shatter.
But it took all the impact force leaving the screen with not a mark.
It was just to peel off the pieces of the screen protector and then reapply a new one.
Hey,
Im looking for a tempered glass for the z5. Any good manufacturers to look out for?
Thanks
I bought this one. Fits well, has proper cut outs.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B014V...+protector&dpPl=1&dpID=51hV4NHOhOL&ref=plSrch
orzly and maybe roxfit are good too
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I bought this one. Fits well, has proper cut outs.
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How is it? does it look cheap?
TriangleMonkey said:
How is it? does it look cheap?
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It's fine and fits well. Not sure how a 0.9mm thick piece of transparent glass can look cheap or premium for that matter
I ordered CaseBase premium tempered glass from Amazon. However I haven't received it yet and can't use it until November.
I ordered a german brand (or at least its sold under the name "wunderglass" meaning wonder glass; made in china ofc).
The fit is ... not that great tbh. The cut outs are fine and in place, but it has too much space to the bezel of the z5. Is there a brand which produces such glass protectors with a minimal gap to the bezel?
I've tried a lot of different brands and I found none that can compete with StilGut in terms of cut, quality and durability. It's made by a German company as well [in China]. A little pricey, but well worth their cost.
http://goo.gl/mWKMxg
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I've tried a lot of different brands and I found none that can compete with StilGut in terms of cut, quality and durability. It's made by a German company as well [in China]. A little pricey, but well worth their cost.
http://goo.gl/mWKMxg
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Excellent! I was just earlier looking for a front + back solution. And 20 bucks for both with 2 year warranty? Pfft, that's cheap.
Spigen's glas.tr slim costs 25$ and it's just a front protector. And it's 0.4mm compared to this StilGut at 0.33mm.
I take it you've got some personal experience of these StilGut protectors?
Q: How's the, uhm, quality I guess, of the oleophobic coating on them? Longevity wise?
I've previously used UltimateShield on my One M7 and on my partner's LG G3. Our gripe with them is how shortlived the coating was.
Didn't take all that long (a little over two months I guess) for the coating to wear off inb4 smudges galore and made the glass NOT easy to clean. Of course any coating will not last indefinitely but still..
P.S. That typo in the thread title made me chuckle, guess it's time for bed...
I got the StilGut front/back kit same day as my phone (Saturday). The cut is perfect as usual. I completely forgot that the Z5 had frosted back glass and wasn't sure if the tempered glass would work but it did. Unfortunately you lose out on the grip of the new glass but until someone puts the phone through some use and report back on whether the frosted glass scratches easily or not, I am not taking chances.
anoke is the best one I have seen/used, fits perfect and has front and back. $8.88 prime
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015E3QY4I?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
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I got the StilGut front/back kit same day as my phone (Saturday). The cut is perfect as usual. I completely forgot that the Z5 had frosted back glass and wasn't sure if the tempered glass would work but it did. Unfortunately you lose out on the grip of the new glass but until someone puts the phone through some use and report back on whether the frosted glass scratches easily or not, I am not taking chances.
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Well you could go and sand the back protector.
Sandpaper (the wet kind and with it use water to contain the glass dust, you don't wanna breath that)
A flat surface to put the sandpaper on (a mirror for example)
Tape to hold the sandpaper in place
Elbow grease
Have fun!
Start at a low grit 120 or 240 and work your way up to 600 or 1000 or even 2000 depending on the look you want.
You can get wet sandpaper in kits, that have a variety of different grit, online or from your local hardware store and so on.
I recommend Nillkin 9h+ pro.
Nillkin Amazing H+ always the best glass for all Zs!
Now available also for back, used it for previous Zs and no any single scratch, durable 9h !!!
Can I just buy a front screenprotector and leave the back?
It has a frosted glass back but wouldn't the camera would be damaged without a screen protector.
Also i can't find a brand that has front and back screen guards only front.
Sorry i am new to using smartphones.
Any ideas about privacy screen? Too many people read over my shoulder on crowded trains
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Any ideas about privacy screen? Too many people read over my shoulder on crowded trains
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Sorry, could not stop laughing imaging you in the train with this, so noone could read over your shoulder.
I saw some sold online, but can not post links here(sure you can find them easily) and I can not say anything about privacy screens because I do not like any screens to be applied to original one. So instead of tampered glass I also have chosen original flip case.
augie7107 said:
I bought this one. Fits well, has proper cut outs.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B014V...+protector&dpPl=1&dpID=51hV4NHOhOL&ref=plSrch
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I bought this one and I can vouch for the quality. It has the proper cut-outs for the front camera, sensors, and speakers. I've got it wet a few times and it's definitely not going to peel off due to moisture. One of my gripes with the Z5 was that the edges make the edges a little sharp to grip, but now with this tempered glass on it feels like the glass is flush with the edges like the iPhone.
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I bought this one and I can vouch for the quality. It has the proper cut-outs for the front camera, sensors, and speakers. I've got it wet a few times and it's definitely not going to peel off due to moisture. One of my gripes with the Z5 was that the edges make the edges a little sharp to grip, but now with this tempered glass on it feels like the glass is flush with the edges like the iPhone.
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And how easy was it to fit?
Hi there, people,
This is the first high end smarthphone I have ever owned and I am quite at loss with the case selecting issue. On one hand, the device looks awesome without any case, and it's been marketed as "no need for a case". On the other, I would absolutely hate discovering a scratch in my brand new Z5 Compact, at least while the device is less than a year old.
So, I ask the following question to the community: Which case (brand) have you been using with your Z5C (or other high end phones)? "No case" is also an answer, if you've been using a S6E without case since launch, I would love to know, as I wouldn't expect the Z5C to endure less.
I wouldn't mind paying premium for a premium case, in fact, my goto option would be the official Sony case, but in this particular case, I happen to find it hideous.
Thanks!!
PS: Any comments about the screen protectors would be welcomed, tempered crystal, plastic... I always suspected that it was a scam.
Tempered glass protections aren't a scam. They don't protect a lot better from scratches than plastic in MOST situations, but there can be that one time were an extra sharp thing goes through the plastic pretty much instantaneously and leaves your screen with a nasty scratch. Glass screen protectors also stick better in my opinion, leave no bubbles, and feel a lot better to the touch. You don't even need an expensive one, I bought two for 5$ on ebay, from a brand I never heard of and they're great. If you pay more, the fit will be better, it can be thinner, etc, but any is better than none. Plus, where the plastic protector scratches easily, the glass one will stay pristine a lot longer. You should try a cheap one to see the added comfort they add and decide from that.
Regarding cases, depends on what you want. There are other threads (1, 2) where you can see if there's anything you like. Also, since the phone just came out, there's not a lot of choice out there, most are chinese brands and rebrands of the same thing. You can always get one that protects and is cheap and get a better one once there's more variety. I have been using this one, it's not great, I like a bit more protection but it does a better job than going nude while I wait for a better choice.
Yeah, like NPK06 said, the tempered* glass screen protectors aren't a scam.
There's pretty much two types of screen protectors for phones. Plastic (PET film) or glass.
With a plastic one you tend to lose the slick feel of the glass and depending on the quality it could affect the clarity or colors and so on.
Plastic protectors also scratch relatively easily and the application is horrid as it's not a rigid object you're trying to lower on the phone.
Glass protectors are made from, glass, doh. Same stuff as there is on your phone. No loss in feel or clarity and so on.
Typically 0.2-0.4mm in thickness, tempered, oleophobic coating (literally "fear of oil") which resists finger prints and makes the glass easy to clean, nowadays they've got rounded edges as well. And high surface hardness (8-9H) so they're tough to scratch.
Easy application. All you need to make sure is to just line it up carefully. They adhere themselves pretty amazingly. Sometimes it starts automagically from one of edge of the protector and sometimes you need to press on the center of the glass to start the process.
Heres couple of examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nle4XIrtBRw&t=16s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H5p4d3UhEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpJv8tO5Am4
It really is as simple as that. Clean, wipe, align, lower it down. Voila. Easy even for me with my big fingers
A tempered glass screen protector really is a nice thing to have. In case you drop the phone, the protector could take the front of the blow.
So instead of cracking the glass of your phone, only the screen protector would crack.
With my One M7, it once dropped. The phone bumped against a round metal object.
Point of impact was at the long side edge of phone at 45 degrees so not directly at/parallel to the screen or not directly at the side of the phone. The edge of the screen protector took the force of the impact, tiny section of the edge crumbled into small little not-sharp-pieces and then started a hair line fracture from the point of impact.
The glass of the phone was unaffected. That's pretty remarkable considering the glass on the M7 is from edge to edge.
I can not recommend these glass screen protectors enough! They're hell of a lot cheaper than having to repair a cracked screen!
And there are also tempered glass protectors for backs, eg. for Xperia Z phones.
StilGut is one of the brands that offers front and back tempered glass protectors for Z5 series.
You can find them from Amazon and so on, or from their home page. If you are in Europe ordering from their home page is better, the front+back protector is 19.99€ + shipping inside EU 4.5€. And apparently you can get a 5€ promo code if you sign up for their newsletter.
On Amazon it was 20$.
Disclaimer though, I have never personally used StilGut products myself, I just came aware of their products on the Z5 accessories forum by another user. Just letting you know they exist and the price point.
* Tempered (or toughened) glass basically means that the glass has gone through a thermal or chemical process to increase it's strength.
The surface of the glass is in compression and the inside of the glass is in tension. If the glass breaks, instead of splintering into jagged shards, toughened glass breaks into small granular chunks.
Thank you both for your kind replies. I finally got into the shotgun solution: bought several cases with the hope that one of them fulfil my needs and the Stilgut screen protector. I might post some reviews after some testing, specially for the Stilgut, after I have tested its oleophobicness.
Alright guys I need some help understanding why people are buying cases for this phone.
First of all, it is supposed to be more durable than other phones, which mitigates the risk of dents and chips from accidental falling.
Additionally, this is a phone with removable back and replaceable battery! I thought people buy this phone so they can easily swap out battery and get additional use time, but you cover it up with a case??? Which makes it a lot harder to swap and you have to constantly remove the case for each swap.
What's the purpose of all this???
The only case type that I would think would be a pain to remove would be an otter box type case where it has a front and a back.
Any case that just covers back and sides should be pretty quick to remove. I'm thinking of getting a UAG case when they are available.
Most of the cases people have been getting so far seem easy enough to pull off quickly for a battery swap.
Sent from my pretty nifty brand new LG V10
Don't forget the steel bars are scratch prone (ouch!!!)
Cases are designed to protect against the unexpected...and marketing hype. A Gorilla glass 4 screen will scratch and shatter. The marketing hype is both from companies like Corning and the screen protector/case manufacturers. If protection levels were truly high enough- manufacturers would offer replacement/repair guarantees, similar to the Droid Turbo 2"s screen guarantee. Most manufacturers user guides recommend protecting their devices.
Another obvious example is water damage- which can take place well short of immersion.
Luck and common sense are your best forms of protection- and sometimes both are in short supply.
I like the extra padding of a thin TPU case no matter how durable LG claims this phone is, it's a peace of mind thing. I am however disappointed in how easily the screen scratches. I received a tempered glass protector yesterday and when I cleaned the screen I was surprised by all the micro scratches. My Note 4 by comparison had only 1 noticeable scratch after a year unprotected.
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I like the extra padding of a thin TPU case no matter how durable LG claims this phone is, it's a peace of mind thing. I am however disappointed in how easily the screen scratches. I received a tempered glass protector yesterday and when I cleaned the screen I was surprised by all the micro scratches. My Note 4 by comparison had only 1 noticeable scratch after a year unprotected.
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I don't understand how people scratch the screens on smart devices.I have never scratch any screen on any device I've owned including my sony sw3 which I have hit on so many things.I just sold my n6 that I used with no protection on the screen for a year and it looked like it did the day I unboxed it
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I don't understand how people scratch the screens on smart devices.I have never scratch any screen on any device I've owned including my sony sw3 which I have hit on so many things.I just sold my n6 that I used with no protection on the screen for a year and it looked like it did the day I unboxed it
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I haven't done anything different than I did with my Note. In fact, I've never used a screen protector on any on my Android phones. The only reason I got this one was because it was a dollar.
techrider6262 said:
I don't understand how people scratch the screens on smart devices.I have never scratch any screen on any device I've owned including my sony sw3 which I have hit on so many things.I just sold my n6 that I used with no protection on the screen for a year and it looked like it did the day I unboxed it
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Any type of glass scratches easy. Dust, dirt, keys, any direct contact with hard surfaces will and can scratch the glass, and dropping your phone any any hard surface will scratch the glass. The people that don't notice the scratches must have bad eye sight. Gorilla glass is only damage resistant (not proof) go check the web site for yourself.
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/
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Any type of glass scratches easy. Dust, dirt, keys, any direct contact with hard surfaces will and can scratch the glass, and dropping your phone any any hard surface will scratch the glass. The people that don't notice the scratches must have bad eye sight. Gorilla glass is only damage resistant (not proof) go check the web site for yourself.
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/
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I'm just go by my own experience I have sold every phone that i've owned to date with no scratches.You can't treat a smart phone like a set of car key and expected them not to get messed up and I never said it can't get scratched but if it does it's your fault.
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I'm just go by my own experience I have sold every phone that i've owned to date with no scratches.You can't treat a smart phone like a set of car key and expected them not to get messed up and I never said it can't get scratched but if it does it's your fault.
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Of course it was my fault my galaxy nexus died in my jeans going through the wash, but a scratch on my screen protected glass, never!
I find the Obliq TPU case to be the best for this, soft, easy to remove, while adding great protection. I also have the Verus Shield, It's more difficult to remove / put back on.
In my situation, i dont buy cases for my own sake...i buy them cause i always sell them when i get a new device. A phone in mint condition is a lot easier to sell...that being said, this might be the first phone i can remember that i am not getting a case for.
The phone is massive and i dont want to add anymore bulk whatsoever.
A thin, few tenths of a mm thick, tpu case and a cheapo glass screen protector is all you really need to protect a phone. All together will cost $15 at most. It's a small investment that will go a long way
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I find the Obliq TPU case to be the best for this, soft, easy to remove, while adding great protection. I also have the Verus Shield, It's more difficult to remove / put back on.
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Agree, the obliq is a very nice case. Really doesn't add too much bulk to the phone, has a nice grippy feel. The sides aren't as snug as I would like, though. Apparently Obliq is releasing a new batch of cases today with a tighter fit.