So I just got the phone a few days ago and I've started to notice some strange happenings. Whenever I get notifications for my apps or messages they always come at the same time. Say I have a text message come in, it will then push facebook or something like that and show messages that I have from the messenger app. Is this normal behavior?
@Demonlinx This has been happening since the first day for me too. I've noticed this only happens when I'm on WiFi, if I'm on data I get my push notifications the moment they happen (all except Google hangouts for some odd reason). I don't have the Facebook app installed but this is a constant annoyance I've been dealing with for a while now, it seems as if when the screen is off its not pulling in data when connected to WiFi, but as soon as I get a text message or turn the screen on my notifications come rushing in all at the same time. Are you on WiFi too when you notice this happening? Or is it all the time?
@elpindian Ok, so I noticed that this happens only when I'm on WiFi as well.. Although it seems intermittent because I've been getting other notifications via a wifi connection, i.e Twitter, Snapchat, etc.. So I'm not sure what is causing this issue. I'll keep trying to mess around with it and see what I come up with.. Are you stock? Do you have connection optimizer turned on? Mine is off. Tl;Dr I only notice this happening sometimes and it only happens (so far) on WiFi.
edit: I found that if I enable WiFi and Mobile Data at the same time it seems to eliminate this issue, I'm trying to test using just WiFi and seeing if the problem still exists.
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@Demonlinx This has been happening since the first day for me too. I've noticed this only happens when I'm on WiFi, if I'm on data I get my push notifications the moment they happen (all except Google hangouts for some odd reason). I don't have the Facebook app installed but this is a constant annoyance I've been dealing with for a while now, it seems as if when the screen is off its not pulling in data when connected to WiFi, but as soon as I get a text message or turn the screen on my notifications come rushing in all at the same time. Are you on WiFi too when you notice this happening? Or is it all the time?
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@elpindian Ok, so I noticed that this happens only when I'm on WiFi as well.. Although it seems intermittent because I've been getting other notifications via a wifi connection, i.e Twitter, Snapchat, etc.. So I'm not sure what is causing this issue. I'll keep trying to mess around with it and see what I come up with.. Are you stock? Do you have connection optimizer turned on? Mine is off. Tl;Dr I only notice this happening sometimes and it only happens (so far) on WiFi.
edit: I found that if I enable WiFi and Mobile Data at the same time it seems to eliminate this issue, I'm trying to test using just WiFi and seeing if the problem still exists.
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Try a data reset by dialing ##72786#
@Demonlinx I am stock with no plans on rooting until there is a fully functional AOSP rom out there for our device. I have disabled connection optimizer as well, but haven't turned data off even while on WiFi. Is there a specific setting to do this besides the disabling data option? I never turn my data off since I have unlimited, does connecting to WiFi automatically turn off data? Because I know if I did turn it off I wouldn't be able to receive MMS and I definitely still get all my MMS with no problems.. Snapchat and twitter have delayed notifications when I'm on WiFi but work flawlessly when I'm only on data.
@Soooperstar thanks man but I've been told by a Sprint and Samsung rep before to try that and still I have these issues... Could it maybe be a problem on our router's end? I've noticed that this doesn't happen with every WiFi connection I have; i.e if I'm at my gfs house who has her at&t router vs my Comcast router.. I've also noticed that if my screen is off for more than a couple minutes while connected to WiFi my android wear watch will give me the offline message if I try and interact with it. It's as if the phone stops any internet connection while it's sleeping, somewhat annoying because I can't just walk around the house and expect to receive notifications on my wearable without waking up the phone (phone calls and texts excluded).
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@Demonlinx I am stock with no plans on rooting until there is a fully functional AOSP rom out there for our device. I have disabled connection optimizer as well, but haven't turned data off even while on WiFi. Is there a specific setting to do this besides the disabling data option? I never turn my data off since I have unlimited, does connecting to WiFi automatically turn off data? Because I know if I did turn it off I wouldn't be able to receive MMS and I definitely still get all my MMS with no problems.. Snapchat and twitter have delayed notifications when I'm on WiFi but work flawlessly when I'm only on data.
@Soooperstar thanks man but I've been told by a Sprint and Samsung rep before to try that and still I have these issues... Could it maybe be a problem on our router's end? I've noticed that this doesn't happen with every WiFi connection I have; i.e if I'm at my gfs house who has her at&t router vs my Comcast router.. I've also noticed that if my screen is off for more than a couple minutes while connected to WiFi my android wear watch will give me the offline message if I try and interact with it. It's as if the phone stops any internet connection while it's sleeping, somewhat annoying because I can't just walk around the house and expect to receive notifications on my wearable without waking up the phone (phone calls and texts excluded).
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Could be..... Kinda hard to troubleshoot. The only one I have a problem with is Tapatalk and XDA app. I think that one may be related
@Soooperstar it's weird, I think it has something to do with the phones deep sleep issues and Sammy has yet to figure out all the bugs. I love the build of this phone but can't stand the software. I'm ready to move on to a Nexus device when the next one releases.
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I use Gtalk a lot and I've noticed that when I leave my phone on standby for more than a few min, my GTalk gets disconnected and then trys to re-connect. I know this happens quite a lot because I get e-mails every now and again from the conversation from the other person because GTalk is disconnected on my end. I'm mobile coverage(2G/3G/4G) whenever this happens and never on Wi-Fi. I'm thinking it's maybe associated with the data disconnects that people are talking about? I do see that in the cell standby, Time without a signal is greater than 0%, meaning it does drop it. Anyone experiencing the same issue?
yeah Im getting the same issues but i was getting the same problem on my G1
I noticed this at work today. Kinda glad to know I'm not alone on this. I use talk to message my ol lady while I'm at work to save texts. I noticed every time I picked my phone up I had to reconnect.
I installed the app "No signal alert" and just sitting at my desk it's been dropping connections constantly as opposed to the N1 where when I changed my sim card to that, it hasn't dropped once in the same spot. Hoping there's a software update that can take care of this. I hope it's not hardware related, this is my 2nd unit already
I have the same poor connection problem. It really sucks compared to my previous phones and my brother's G2. I wanted to exchange it but it looks like it is happening to everyone..
has there been a fix for this because I never faced this issue but now I have started facing the issue.... this doesnt happen on the edge network but this happens on wifi and that too whenever the phone goes in a deep sleep mode. I can say that the wifi is active because when this happens i can browse and my other online stuff is happenning. the gtalk disconnects and cause of that I dont get emails too of gmail. it seems the google account services are the ones which disconnect on sleep
It said connected in the wifi setting and it shows bars but it just won't load any website in the browser .. anyone got a fix for this?
I have the same issue. Tried different combinations of restarting wifi, turning on/off cell data, on/off wifi calling, etc... all with no result. I've also tried on different networks (both public and private)-- it'd start working for a while and then all of a sudden stop and never work again.
Seems similar to the problem here: forums. t-mobile.c om/t5/T-Mobile-G2x/G2x-WiFi-DNS-issue-not-the-4G-switching-one/m-p/831439 (sorry there's a new user no link restriction)
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks
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It said connected in the wifi setting and it shows bars but it just won't load any website in the browser .. anyone got a fix for this?
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is it specific to the browser or can you not move any data?
Idk, whenever I have had problems connecting to the tmo network, which is a separate issue.. it was always that wifi calling was still on even tho wifi was turned off. Every time I had probs w/ data on tmo network, it's been wifi calling.. Your case seems to be diff tho.
Is it specific to just your network or all other networks? Try shutting off wifi, reboot... then turn it on again? Idk.. just tossing out ideas.
Some found the root cause and I am posting his finding as I do have the same issue and can reproduce the error:
I think I have discovered a new WiFi-related bug in the G2x's software. I have witnessed this occurring on my phone, and have also reproduced it on a store demo unit. I believe it is unrelated to the switching-to-4G problem people are having with the My Account app, since it occurs even if I have set up the Google account on first boot after a factory reset.
The details of the problem are:
- Every so often, the phone randomly gets stuck in a state where it is not able to initiate any new connections that are made using a DNS name. Attempting to navigate to a web site, h**p://w*w.google.c*m for example, will result in a generic failure message.
- However, attempting to connect directly to an IP address instead of a DNS name works perfectly. For example, navigating to 74.125.225.16 will work fine and will load the Google home page.
- When the phone is in this state, using a DNS lookup tool such as "DNS Lookup" from the Marketplace *will* work, even when using the default DNS server address that the DHCP server is giving the phone.
- The problem has occurred for me when data is off and WiFi is on. I do not know if data being off is a requirement, since this is the way I usually run the phone, so this may be coincidental.
- Switching WiFi off and back on again will *sometimes* work to solve the problem, but sometimes will not. When this doesn't work, switching WiFi off, then switching data on, then back off again, and then finally switching WiFi back on again will occasionally correct the problem. However, I have seen situations where none of these things worked, and the only way to get DNS working again was to factory reset the phone.
- I haven't figured out the exact pattern yet, but this issue seems to occur when the phone has been inactive for a certain period of time. I have often discovered that the phone is in this state upon waking up in the morning after leaving the phone on the charger overnight.
- I have, however, found a method to reproduce the problem that seems to work fairly consistently:
1. Turn WiFi on, and data off.
2. Power cycle the phone.
3. When the phone starts up, start the browser and attempt to browse to w*w.google.c*m. It should fail.
4. Try to browse to 74.125.225.16. It should work.
Just wanted to get this issue in the forums to see how many others have been noticing the same thing.
I know that once the device has less than 10% battery it automatically turns the WiFi off to save battery power. Were the devices this was happening on have a low battery?
Fully charged. It even happens when pluged in with the charger.
My Wifi wouldn't even work if I froze it with Bloat Freezer. It has to run in the background for wifi to work. I found that Wifi can get really inconsistent with it disabled.
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- I haven't figured out the exact pattern yet, but this issue seems to occur when the phone has been inactive for a certain period of time. I have often discovered that the phone is in this state upon waking up in the morning after leaving the phone on the charger .
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Same problem here. After about 30 minutes of being idle, as soon as I pick up the phone it tries to connect 2g/4g. The log are saying theres no connection, so it appears that wifi its going to sleep and not waking up so android is trying to connect 2g/4g
Really starting to be a pain
I have frozen the bloat, and I think the problem is getting worse.
Toggle airplane mode is a quick workaround to get wifi to wake up
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Same thing happened to me, I did 2 factory resets, and it seems it has been fixed, don't really know what causes it.
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This may or may not be related, but...
It looks like I found a hacky fix for the dns/wifi/4g bug: install "Set DNS" from the market.
Now when I go into market, and display my downloaded apps, it jumps from wifi to 4g then back to wifi as it should, fast.
Whether or not it should even do go to 4g is debatable, all I can say is my 2 Galaxy Tabs had the same behavior.
If everyones connectivity issues are really due to the DNS settings getting wiped out, then this will work around the problem until I/we find the location of the actual bug.
Would you guys having this problem also post it here?
http://www.lgforum.com/forum/boards/general/lg/topics/g2x-wifi-problems
Thanks.
I figure the more people that post there, the more the chances are of LG fixing it quickly.
Work around:
enable airplane mode
reboot
enable wifi
wait a few seconds after the wifi connects, background crap stops
disable airplane mode.
The set dns app looks like a winner. Haven't tried it but that's what's
wrong.
The freezing and other suggestions are all useless crap.
Updates...
I did a factory reset and installed JuiceDefender (I don't know which one worked) but it seems to be all fine now... will update if things become problematic again
I've been having this problem as well. I've always been able to fix it by toggling WiFi off and back on again. I downloaded SetDNS and when it happened again last night I tried that and it worked great.
Glad to see it's a software problem and not a hardware problem.
same problem here. hopefully it won't happen in cyanogen mod
boylan said:
Work around:
enable airplane mode
reboot
enable wifi
wait a few seconds after the wifi connects, background crap stops
disable airplane mode.
The set dns app looks like a winner. Haven't tried it but that's what's
wrong.
The freezing and other suggestions are all useless crap.
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This fixed the problem, at least until the next time I reboot my phone
How do you use SetDNS? This software bug in G2X reboots my router (DGL-4500) sometimes.
Question bout SetDNS app
Does the phone have to be rooted to use the setdns app? I try to use it but it says "Cannot get root. App will not function."
Has anyone experienced any issues with missed calls (no notifications) or delayed text messages with their Nexus 5?
I've had the phone since 5 November and it seems when the phone goes into deep sleep the only notifications I can consistently get are ones that are data based (Gmail, email, hangout chat, etc.). At first I thought it only happened while I was on WiFi, but I tested this out by turning off WiFi and using only LTE and then only 3G, but the issue remained.
I've noticed with SMS and voicemails that once I unlock the screen and make a call or send a text I'll receive a deluge of notifications and messages at once, and I've been told that phone calls ring twice as if my phone is off but I never see any notification of a missed call unless there is a voicemail (again, like SMS, doesn't show up until I unlock and use my phone). It feels like the phone drops the connection with a cell tower while in deep sleep or something.
The short list of troubleshooting I've tried is turning off WiFi battery optimization, toggling between LTE to 3G only, and a factory reset. I haven't loaded the stock image from Google yet. I use Textra as my default messaging app, but the messages come in fine when I'm active on the device so I don't believe it's app related. Same goes for phone calls; everything is fine as long as the phone is relatively active.
I saw on the Google support forums that people have reported issues with the WiFi turning off when in deep sleep; at least they are unable to ping the device after a while so I wonder if could have something to do with battery saving optimizations in KitKat.
Anyone have similar issues, or ideas on what I could do to try to fix it?
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Here are some links to the Google Product Forum threads that this issue is being talked about.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/nexus/eOToYgJXdrw/OLpSbSfPoIQJ
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/nexus/3gVF5Dm-yG0/R761PwahTxkJ
The first one is the most recent thread, but I'd suggest that anyone that is experiencing the problem and comes across this XDA thread go post in both of the Google Forums to show Google how many are really having this issue. So far nobody from Google has acknowledged there being problem.
I have that same issue, also on TMO. It seems like the phone forgets it's connected to a cell network until you remind it. However, I noticed it first on my HTC one when I installed the stock 4.3 update.
I called TMO support and they reset my line or something. It *seemed* to fix the problem, but I'm not entirely sure because I got my N5 very shortly thereafter. I'm now experiencing the same issue on my N5.
Of particular note is that it always happens in the evening. Even if I toggle airplane mode around 6pm, by 8pm I'll have missed texts. I've just started periodically calling my voicemail to reestablish cell connection.
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Of particular note is that it always happens in the evening. Even if I toggle airplane mode around 6pm, by 8pm I'll have missed texts. I've just started periodically calling my voicemail to reestablish cell connection.
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Airplane mode turns off everything and you will not receive anything until it is back on. Only wifi works.
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I have that same issue, also on TMO. It seems like the phone forgets it's connected to a cell network until you remind it. However, I noticed it first on my HTC one when I installed the stock 4.3 update.
I called TMO support and they reset my line or something. It *seemed* to fix the problem, but I'm not entirely sure because I got my N5 very shortly thereafter. I'm now experiencing the same issue on my N5.
Of particular note is that it always happens in the evening. Even if I toggle airplane mode around 6pm, by 8pm I'll have missed texts. I've just started periodically calling my voicemail to reestablish cell connection.
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Hmm, I'll give T-Mobile a call then and see what they have to say as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one, but it sure is a pain in the ass to have to micro-manage the actual phone aspect of a smartphone, heh.
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Airplane mode turns off everything and you will not receive anything until it is back on. Only wifi works.
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I think he meant that he toggles Airplane mode on and off in order to try and re-establish the connection to the cell tower; not that he's expecting messages while Airplane mode is on.
Just to update anyone that comes across this thread, I flashed the stock 4.4 images and still have the delayed texts and missed calls after the phone goes into deep sleep. I currently have a conversation with a Google support tech, but I'm not encouraged by their suggestions at this point.
This just happened to me as well, I'm on Vodafone Romania. I only have the N5 since yesterday, and it's on 3G only, wifi always on. Wifi connects fine, today I actualy got an email from a friend who's been trying to call me unsuccesfuly for 1 hour. I just hope this is sw related, as the warranty is not valid in Romania
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I just got my n5 yesterday.
I'm in Toronto, Canada on Fido network and twice in 24 hrs I have had the cell network not available, displaying message " emergency calls only."
If I restart the phone it will see the network a minute after it restarts.
What's up with that?
Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
I experienced this problem on every single android phone I've ever had. I dont think its a carrier problem. I think its a OS problem. I've used T-Mobile, AT&T, Straight Talk and Sprint. All of my phones have done it. HTC Evo, evo3d, galaxy s2 epic 4g touch, nexus4 and nexus5.
To me it seems like it happens more often with games. I may be playing a game of Navy Wars (a battleship game) or words with friends. I pick my phone up to do something and as soon as I turn it on I get a notification saying its my turn when actuality my opponent made their move a long time ago. Its also an issue with IM apps like hangouts and whatsapp.
happens on carrier data and wifi.
If anyone has a fix for it I'd love to know what it is.
I have exactly the same issue with my N5 sometimes i get massages 5 or 6 h after they sent. And some missed calls. It never happened to me on my N4 so i believe its phone issue.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one experiencing this issue. I do believe this is a software/OS problem as well, but I find it strange that I couldn't find more about it on Google's support forums or even more threads about it on XDA.
I wanted to update everybody and let them know that Google support put in an RMA for my phone in order to try to resolve the issue. I explained to the support tech that I tried resetting the phone to defaults and reloading the latest images that were posted (KRT16M) and could still produce the same issue without fail; I even took a video with my Galaxy Nexus and sent it to them.
And I gave up on being connected to WiFi all the time. Once I connect to WiFi and let the phone go idle all the issues begin, and then I'll have the problem on 3G/LTE when I turn off WiFi. Rebooting with WiFi off will get me back to normal, but this is obviously very inconvenient and putting a serious cramp in my monthly data usage.
I have absolutely 0 confidence that this is a hardware issue, but at this point I'll try anything so my fingers are crossed that the RMA/new device does the trick since it seems such a small percentage of people seem to be talking about this particular issue.
I'll post an update once I get the new phone and test.
I just wanted to chime in and say I've got the Nexus 5 on Tmo's $30 plan and I haven't experienced this at all. All my calls come through exactly as they should...maybe it is a hardware issue or even a Tmo issue.
I had this problem on Sprint. On one of the Sprint forums (S4GRU), I was told about a Sprint LTE issue. You can read more if you want, but net-net, the recommendation was to switch to 3g in areas where the LTE issue is occurring. Yes, it is a pain in the rear, but it seems to help me at least get the calls that I need. (data is available for me over wifi at this location).
Again, this is specific to Sprint, and only in some impacted areas.
(I did have Google send me a replacement phone - that didn't solve this issue)
There is 2 posts about the same issue on google forum
i can't post link i am to fresh on this forum
but google "Nexus 5 Hangouts SMS messages are delayed" 1st on top
and "Unreliable texting" 2nd
If this is the problem with software why it started like few days ago before everything worked fine
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Another post on androidcentral
google "Google Nexus 5 - Missed Calls, Anyone Else?"
And i am with T-Mobile by the way
I have zero issues on my N5 with Tmo, texts and calls come through right away. I've had many Android phones and have never had any issues.
Are you guys running any apps like Greenify or anything that is preventing the radio from waking the phone properly>
Having the same issue on different carriers with the same OS where all that they have in common is a Google account, I can see one app having an ill effect on the basic phone functionality.
Sprint does have a known delay with incoming calls, it's a CDMA thing they enable on their end, but it usually only adds a couple of seconds delay.
It happens to me and when it does I realize that the phone is locked onto LTE, when a call comes in it is supposed to switch to 1x. The fall back switching on the phone's software is probably the issue on Sprint.
having the same issues. had to reinsert the sim card. tmobile.
I turned off wifi and restart the phone two days ago so far no problem just not using wifi. Hope google will fix it soon
Did any one report it to google already ??
I had an issue with sms not sending until I would reboot phone. I was only able to fix by getting a new sim card. No issues since.
For the people with issues, are you using a lte compatible sim card, and have you tried resetting the device and using it without any 3rd party apps installed (absolutely none)?
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I'm not receiving notifications on my 5 until I wake the screen. I'm on Straight Talk. I use Google Voice for my main number and my other phone that I use gets notifications immediately but not the 5. Email, Google Voice or Facebook. My APN is correct and data works fine. I have researched but can't find any solutions. Anyone else having this problem?
Ok I have noticed that when I wake the phone back up and click the corner for the settings, it shows my signal in orange which i understand now is its not connected to the google servers. It goes back to white after a while and thats when I finally get notifications but is this a phone problem or a Straight Talk problem?
are you on wifi? if so, check wifi sleep policy. sounds like your phone is sleeping your data connection when the screen it off.
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are you on wifi? if so, check wifi sleep policy. sounds like your phone is sleeping your data connection when the screen it off.
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No its data only. I don't even have WiFi at home. Yea it does seem like the data issleeping when the screen is off. Is there a setting I'm missing?
Still only getting notifications when I wake the screen or after anywhere from 50 minutes to a 2 hour delay. I don't want to return the phone but this is a deal breaker. Anyone else having this problem?
Guess I'm the only one with this problem. I've tried factory resets. Clearing data and nothing helps. Back to Best Buy tomorrow I guess.
I can't figure this out to save my life. 6039s Android 6. No root. No special mods. Nothing. Bone stock.
In the middle of the day today I suddenly started getting a horrendous wakelock. I thought it was a Google Play issue but it turned out that it's some kind of mobile data issue.
My LTE connection isn't working right. It's slow for some apps and non existent for others.
For instance my sports score app loads at 2G speeds. My web browser seems to work okay. But my t mobile tuesday's app gives me a big warning that I'm not connected to the internet at all. And the Google Play app gives me all kinds of warning that I need to have background data enabled to use Play, but background data IS enabled.
Making matters worse, when this issue is happening my phone enters a miserable and unstoppable wake lock that drains the battery so fast it hard to even charge it. And it saps up the system resources to heavily that the phone slows down to a crawl and can't be used for anything else. Not to mention the phone gets insanely hot from the excess processing. Could a tower issue that's causing a connection problem cause such a wakelock?
I tried doing a reset of the radio connections in settings, but I don't think it actually did anything because all my settings and connections were still there. Still had my wifi password, BT connections, etc.
I tried wiping cache in recovery but it didn't work. Says it did it. But on reboot I didn't get the "app 1 of 82 is updating". So I don't think it actually did that either.
I cannot figure this out to save my life.
I thought maybe it was a tower issue. But my wife has the exact same phone and it's working fine. I called T Mobile and they said they are having a tower problem near my house, but still...wife's phone is fine. And I've seen this problem now in 3 different locations across about a 5-6 mile range. So I have to have been on more than 1 tower in that time.
When I turn on wifi and have a wifi connection the problem goes away entirely. That's telling me that the problem is the system getting upset that it doesn't have a solid internet connection. Changing the connection to 3G or 2G does not solve the issue.
The problem lasted the whole second half of yesterday, was fine overnight while I left wifi on, was fine on day 2 when I was back to 4G networks, and then suddenly is back again.
Anyone got any ideas or suggestions?
Is there some server android is trying to stay in constant contact with that I can block the connection to? Perhaps limit background data to something? I can't figure out what.
This update was irrelevant. Turned out to be a red herring. Still having the problem.
Nevermind this update. STill having the problem
I give up. I'm about to throw the phone against a wall to smash it. The system has become totally loused up. Whenever it goes into these goofy wakelock states the system is so overtaxed that everything takes forever to process. Nothing solves it.
And its' getting worse. Now I have oddly limited connectivity.
T Mobile's tech support was useless. They had me thinking it was a tower issue. That was 3 days ago. Now suddenly they have no records of a tower issue in my area over the last week.
I can make voice calls. But I cant' send text messages. I can use my web browser to search the internet, but not SOME apps that need data like a weather app or Google Play. Other apps work fine to pull data.
Yet it says I have an LTE connection the whole time.
This is the single weirdest issue I've ever seen on Android.
What in the hell could have just jumped in out of nowhere and started causing these issues?