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New Here: I need help

So I've tried reading through some of the introduction threads, but there's so many jargon terms thrown out casually that I have no idea what half the posts are talking about.
I just "exchanged" my old AT&T Tilt for the AT&T Fuze, and I'm loving it. However, I want to update my ROM to windows mobile 6.5, and get into customizing it a bit. I know the first part is the hardest, because you run the risk of bricking the phone.
Since I have no experience doing this, could someone help walk me through the process?
I know I most likely want a 'cooked' ROM, and I've read the tutorial a few times, I'm just not sure I'm understanding it correctly due to some of the terminology. I'm also not entirely sure what ROM I want yet, and was hoping someone might be able to point me towards one that fits my needs.
Again, sorry if I'm asking when I just just be leaping. Will someone please hold my hand and give me some chocolate milk and talk me through changing the ROM? >.<

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008

Thanx for your reply, it proves you didn't read my post at all.

well if you had clicked his link you would realize that post is exactly what you were asking for.
also. No one can pick out a ROM for you. Browse through them and test a few out. it only takes a few moments to flash a new ROM to your phone.
What terminology are you having trouble with? if you search for it in the wiki or in the post that was linked above then you will undoubtedly find an explanation.

A good site for general overview, if you can handle the writing style, is blown fuze. I gained a lot of info reading this, even though I don't have a Fuze yet (but would like to get one).

Dracius said:
Thanx for your reply, it proves you didn't read my post at all.
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take the time to click the link and it will provide you all the instructions needed. Everything is explained in full detail even providing the program you need to flash a new rom, so you should really really click before you complain.
trust me, that link on flashing your first gsm rom is as complete as you get, unless you want big pretty pictures or a video.

mputtr said:
take the time to click the link and it will provide you all the instructions needed. Everything is explained in full detail even providing the program you need to flash a new rom, so you should really really click before you complain.
trust me, that link on flashing your first gsm rom is as complete as you get, unless you want big pretty pictures or a video.
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TO THE OP
Having looked at all the stickies first rom flashing looks easier on this than on my old wizard. I found the sim unlocking,cid and super cid unlocking at first but I read everything twice and it worked okay for me
And if it doesnt then there are plenty of people here who can help

Dracius said:
Thanx for your reply, it proves you didn't read my post at all.
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Perhaps flashing is not in your future.

theoneeye said:
TO THE OP
Having looked at all the stickies first rom flashing looks easier on this than on my old wizard. I found the sim unlocking,cid and super cid unlocking at first but I read everything twice and it worked okay for me
And if it doesnt then there are plenty of people here who can help
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Thank you for actually reading my post, I greatly appreciate it.
To everyone else, I DID click the link, and read it several times before even posting. If you had bothered to read my post, you would have noticed I referenced it several times. I took the time to read before posting, you could at least have the civil decency to do the same.
@ Theoneeye, thank you for the assurance, I tracked down someone who was able to answer some ROM questions for me and help me find a good starting ROM and assist me with the process to make sure I don't brick my phone on my first go at it.
Normally I just try things like this, and if it fails, try again until it works. However, since I read up on this first (even though everyone here seems to think I didn't) I know I run the risk of bricking my phone. Since I've gone through several exchanges already to get this phone for free (long story) I don't wanna be swapping another phone so soon.
To those who still bother to read posts, any input you can provide on your ROM choices, or the other half of my post regarding some things I should look into installing, I would appreciate it.
To anyone else who's going to continue to refer me to that sticky instead of reading, please **** off.

wow. I'm surprised. If you actually read through the link several times and you still did not get it, you were skimming it or you really really do not have a strong grasp on the english language.
Hell, it's even numbered. How much easier would you prefer. If you want suggestions for ROM choices, it is entirely up to you. Every rom has their own unique "style" that they offer and they describe it all in the first post. Energy, NATF, etc all explain their roms in great details and some even provide extra steps.
My blunt suggestion here is that before you tell others to **** off for referring you to where everyone else has use as reference and successfully performed a flash, you should save your rudeness for yourself. Also, if you have any questions on terminology, ask which jargon is throwing you a wrench in your direction following process. That would make it much easier to explain.
P.S: seriously read through that damn sticky, it is as clear as a swarovski crystal. Follow it step by step and don't "do your thing" and you'll have a successful flash.
btw. way to be a jackass to those who have already given you the answers you asked for.
EDIT: TLDR version. Be polite, and follow the directions to the letter. and ROMs are your personal choice since they're all unique and they come in full explanations as to their purpose.

Dracius said:
Thank you for actually reading my post, I greatly appreciate it.
To everyone else, I DID click the link, and read it several times before even posting. If you had bothered to read my post, you would have noticed I referenced it several times. I took the time to read before posting, you could at least have the civil decency to do the same.
@ Theoneeye, thank you for the assurance, I tracked down someone who was able to answer some ROM questions for me and help me find a good starting ROM and assist me with the process to make sure I don't brick my phone on my first go at it.
Normally I just try things like this, and if it fails, try again until it works. However, since I read up on this first (even though everyone here seems to think I didn't) I know I run the risk of bricking my phone. Since I've gone through several exchanges already to get this phone for free (long story) I don't wanna be swapping another phone so soon.
To those who still bother to read posts, any input you can provide on your ROM choices, or the other half of my post regarding some things I should look into installing, I would appreciate it.
To anyone else who's going to continue to refer me to that sticky instead of reading, please **** off.
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I see your arrogance is getting you far

Just getting into this meself and so far it looks like...
- sort out the hardSPL update first to let you do the ROM and other upgrades...
- once it says 1.90.OliNex on the bootloader fetch the new ROM
- reading around and going by most references the Energy 6.5 ROM seems to be worth a shot, think that's what I'll be installing on my TP
- while you're at it search for aerial upgrades and put a newer version on at the same time to sort out GPS and phone performance.
Just make sure you follow the instructions to the letter, don't run anything else on the PC while updates are being done and check, check and triple check the ROMS to make sure they're correct before doing anything

gshaw said:
Just getting into this meself and so far it looks like...
- sort out the hardSPL update first to let you do the ROM and other upgrades...
- once it says 1.90.OliNex on the bootloader fetch the new ROM
- reading around and going by most references the Energy 6.5 ROM seems to be worth a shot, think that's what I'll be installing on my TP
- while you're at it search for aerial upgrades and put a newer version on at the same time to sort out GPS and phone performance.
Just make sure you follow the instructions to the letter, don't run anything else on the PC while updates are being done and check, check and triple check the ROMS to make sure they're correct before doing anything
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Thank you!
It's helpful knowing there's some decent people on these forums who are willing to help out. I was able to get the few basic questions I had regarding installation and some pointers to help me find a ROM that fits my needs. Since then I've done a few flashes and all have gone off without a hitch.
To those of you who continue to think I'm being rude, you seem to fail to realize the ignorance and blatant 'ass hattery' in repeatedly referring someone to read something they already read without providing any additional information. It comes across as very condescending, and isn't helpful at all.

Speaking of "It comes across as very condescending, and isn't helpful at all."
If you want help here this is NOT the way to get it.
This is a community of great minds and mutual respect, not somewhere for someone to start making demands and throwing out general negativity.
No one here thinks you continue to be rude, THEY CAN READ IT FOR THEMSELVES.
Everyone here is willing to help, but you need to help yourself first. You're off to a really great start....
Dracius said:
Thank you!
It's helpful knowing there's some decent people on these forums who are willing to help out.
To those of you who continue to think I'm being rude, you seem to fail to realize the ignorance and blatant 'ass hattery' in repeatedly referring someone to read something they already read without providing any additional information. It comes across as very condescending, and isn't helpful at all.
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Dracius said:
To anyone else who's going to continue to refer me to that sticky instead of reading, please **** off.
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Sorry Dracius, i'm with the majority of people here who think you're rude and havent understood the idea of this site - its a community developement site, not a one-stop download & personal tech support center.
The instructions in the flashing guide are exactly what you need to start you off in the world of flashing roms. It has a "before you start" backup part - with a link to free backup software.
It then goes on to explain exactly and in detail how to flash (GSM) hard spl - including a link and instructions to ensure you have a GSM phone. It also tells you to ensure you dont have any other programs running / screen saver etc which might throw a spanner in the works.
Following that, it says - if you want to - how to sim & security unlock the phone, including the required link.
Next it details how to flash a rom, including a very helpful line
1. Download your prefered Rom from the Raphael Rom Develpoment Page and unzip/unrar it to your computer
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Your prefered rom - remember this is a guide on how to flash - not what to flash. To decide that, read the details in the rom forum, read other users feedback - and then when it doesnt help, do what everyone else does and try half a dozen to see what it is you want your phone to be like.
Finally, the guide tells you how to flash a different radio - and again says this is optional. It then links to a radio thread which explains what the radio does and why you might want to flash it.
If you have a problem with any part of the process (or pretty much anything related to your phone) then (after searching & reading) make a post explaining what your problem is - and what you have done to help yourself (say exactly which threads you have read, and why they dont help you / what you dont understand) - people will generally help.
This isnt what you did.
Oh, welcome to the community.

Well at least he got a welcome

theoneeye said:
Well at least he got a welcome
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No, not really. His attitude is NOT welcome here.

Bruce Inman said:
No, not really. His attitude is NOT welcome here.
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I know mate I was only kidding

theoneeye said:
I know mate I was only kidding
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I know Bro, that's why I welcomed you on your other thread....

Bruce Inman said:
I know Bro, that's why I welcomed you on your other thread....
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I saw that thanks
I am not new here but I am new to the Raphael section
(I had a Blackberry Storm for a year sorry )

[REQ] 2.10.605.1 Untouched but Rooted

I'd like to request a completely untouched version of this ROM with the exception of root. (No debloating, no deodexing, no zipaligning, etc...)
I'm surprised this didn't come out first and I think many would appreciate it as well.
[ROM]RUU_Mecha_GINGERBREAD_S_VERIZON_WWE_2.10.605.1_Rad io_0.01.78.0802w_3_NV_8K_1.41
[ROM] ZIP format: RUU_Mecha_GINGERBREAD_S_VERIZON_WWE_2.10.605.1_Rad io_0.01.78.08...
2.10.605.1 Debloat|Deodex|Rooted|Busybox|Zipalign
[ROM] [FLASHABLE] 2.10.605.1 Debloat/BLoat Options

you don't need anyone to make one...
Instead, see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226156
and read/use the information and links it contains...

KidJoe said:
you don't need anyone to make one...
Instead, see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226156
and read/use the information and links it contains...
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I was aware of that but it would be nice if someone can uploaded a completed version of this to save quite a bit of time.

open1your1eyes0 said:
I was aware of that but it would be nice if someone can uploaded a completed version of this to save quite a bit of time.
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Its a couple extra steps, and doesn't really take much longer than flashing a rooted rom file. Plus flashing the patched HBoot is safer, and for how "easy" this is.. I wouldn't expect any dev to take the time and make just a "rooted" version of the rom to flash.

Odd. I don't see anything in the forum rules that say people should ask for help. I don't blame the guy for asking. Why not? What's next--create your own ROM, why should others do it? Figure out your own root method instead of asking someone if they have?
For all the people who give the guy grief about asking, maybe someone else will say, "yeah, that's a good idea" and help the guy (and others) out.
Joel

I think it's more that this person is asking in multiple places for a few hours. Coulda had it done by now. Just rubs some people the wrong way.

Wow guys, well I think I can officially say XDA is no longer the same site I thought it was....
FYI, I had already done the posted method no problem. The only reason I made this thread was in an effort to request if a developer (of which I am not) could create a simple ROM that would help other newbies out and make it an easy one-flash task so they don't have to worry. But no, I guess it's a sin to be a newbie now huh? How dare anyone request something so simple from a developer (especially when a well known dev already spent more work creating another version of the same ROM). So this should be even harder for them to do right? And honestly, why anyone sees this thread as a forceful obligation for someone to fulfill the request is beyond me.
Very productive and helpful posts everyone. Great job at showing how supportive XDA has become...

You do realize pulling the rom.zip from an RUU takes about 2 minutes to accomplish, including the time it takes to google the "how-to". But you would rather bother a dev to do it for you, adding the trouble of having to wait the 20+ minutes to upload the 350MB file to waste precious personal server space for a single person's downloading convenience. A 2 minute job turned 30 minutes of someone else's time cus you didn't feel like it. The difference between a good noob and a bad noob: good noob asks how to get roms from RUUs, bad noob tells someone else to do it for them without hesitation.
Sent from my ADR6400L using XDA App

open1your1eyes0 said:
Wow guys, well I think I can officially say XDA is no longer the same site I thought it was....
FYI, I had already done the posted method no problem. The only reason I made this thread was in an effort to request if a developer (of which I am not) could create a simple ROM that would help other newbies out and make it an easy one-flash task so they don't have to worry. But no, I guess it's a sin to be a newbie now huh? How dare anyone request something so simple from a developer (especially when a well known dev already spent more work creating another version of the same ROM). So this should be even harder for them to do right? And honestly, why anyone sees this thread as a forceful obligation for someone to fulfill the request is beyond me.
Very productive and helpful posts everyone. Great job at showing how supportive XDA has become...
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Oh please, you are defending yourself ex post facto because you were attacked for being shown that if it matters that much to help the new commers you could make what you wanted pretty quickly by following a how-to. If you really want to help them, you could have probably finished the how-to and posted it in the time you took to complain.
It's great to do things for anyone new and I am all for it (which is why in the few months I have been an official member, I have 60+ "thanks," most of which came from answering questions or giving out useful information.
No one is attacking you for wanting to help noobs, but people will call you out when you claim to want to help and are shown, but ignore it anyways. It comes back to the quote:
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
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If all someone said was to google it or do this yourself without telling you how it could be done with links or something then that would be messed up, but they did not. They gave you links in both this thread and the other (the other thread giving you EXACTLY what you requested in a link).
IMHO if you really want to help those you say you want to help, you could create a post in the developer's forum linking to the post that someone gave you in the other topic from rootzwiki. That way they can be pointed in the right direction.

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Thank you

Boudzz said:
Hi folks
I am completely new to the world of tweaking your android device. I didn't even know how to root a device until 24 hours ago. I wanted to install a better version of android than the stock version that came with the device and I went about reading how to do so, starting with rooting the device which I had success with. I then tried to install a custom rom called cleanonda50 rom. I spent hours trying to figure it out and somehow managed to completely botch things up. I may have bricked the device and I spent hours trying to fix the problem to no avail. I'm completely defeated and ready to send it to a professional to get it fixed. The device won't turn on and I don't know what to do.
I found a website where an android expert will remote control my computer and fix it for a fee. I was thinking (and Mods please let me know if this is frowned upon), I was looking to see if anyone would be interested in helping and instead of paying this website, I could perhaps pay you compensation for your expert advice and time by remoting into my pc and walking me through the process. Or if one of the Mods would volunteer, I could make a small donation to the forum to support with running costs. If you are interested, please send me a Private Message.
As it stands I have an expensive paperweight, so I apologize if I'm doing anything that is considered discouraging; please let me know and I will amend my post.
Thanks everyone
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That is not what XDA is about, this is a Development site not pay to have work done site. I suggest you try another site, or just read and learn for yourself regarding your device.
There are tons of guides and the question sections for your device, that is the place to learn, but coming here and looking to pay someone again is not what XDA is about.

Judge Joseph Dredd said:
That is not what XDA is about, this is a Development site not pay to have work done site. I suggest you try another site, or just read and learn for yourself regarding your device.
There are tons of guides and the question sections for your device, that is the place to learn, but coming here and looking to pay someone again is not what XDA is about.
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I apologize, I will address your comment

Asking for help

I have had a few people get down on me because i feel if someone has a answer, and they put more time and energy into telling you all the reasons why they shouldn't/can't help. It just seems down right mean. I thought these forums were a place of sharing and learning to help one and another. It just seems like it is becoming less of that as time progresses. not everyone here is a "Phone wiz" and that's why they come, seeking knowledge. So what if the question has been answered already? XDA is not a small web site in its infancy anymore. It has a lot of information to surf thru. All I am saying is you know the answer is a simple do this, or see this post would be great, instead of google it, or you need to look harder. Are people that full of themselves that they are to above everyone to help some noob out? Everyone was a noob at some point. My point is lets try to help each other instead of help ourselves only. There is a good saying I once heard, "watch who you step on , on your way to the top, because they won't be there to catch you when you fall". :highfive:

Many people help on this site.... All the time and everywhere. But the ones who find help easy are the ones who also try to to help themselves first. They research, search and do their best to find answers...and then they ask for help when they're stumped.
The ones that have trouble getting help, are the ones who log in...find a thread or make one, reading nothing, searching for nothing and ask for help.
XDA is about learning, and sharing work... It's not a quick stop tech support help desk. If someone can't put in an effort to read, read... And read some more before they decide to start messing with their expensive device... Then this is not the hobby for them.
Most experienced members can spot the difference quickly between the types I've mentioned, and they interact accordingly.
Also, the site has rules... And one particular rule is not followed as often as it should be unfortunately...... That would be rule number 1: Search before posting.
And so... I'm going to close this thread now, because I can guarantee this will not be a constructive discussion. :good:
Regards,
Darth
Forum Moderator

A friendly step-by-step detailed rooting guide for HTC U12+ please?

I do not know and don't have more time to dig into the details of rooting a phone (although I have already spent hours scrolling here and looking for basic knowledge). However I want to root my new u12+.
I successfully rooted my last phone according to a guide I found on this forum, which was a friendly, step-by-step, detailed guide for noobs like myself: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-k10/how-to/friendly-root-method-lg-k8-k10-t3531223
I know there's a guide for u12+ here but it isn't detailed enough which I find it difficult to follow. I am looking forward to a guide which is as detailed as the one above. Please help.

GphonePrince said:
I do not know and don't have more time to dig into the details of rooting a phone (although I have already spent hours scrolling here and looking for basic knowledge). However I want to root my new u12+.
I successfully rooted my last phone according to a guide I found on this forum, which was a friendly, step-by-step, detailed guide for noobs like myself: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-k10/how-to/friendly-root-method-lg-k8-k10-t3531223
I know there's a guide for u12+ here but it isn't detailed enough which I find it difficult to follow. I am looking forward to a guide which is as detailed as the one above. Please help.
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If my guide is too difficult to follow for you, you should probably wait a bit longer until twrp is available. This will make things easier.
But to be honest my guide is pretty detailed and describes each step that needs to be taken.
as already mentioned in the thread you should always research properly before blindly following “friendly” guides.
I think with a tiny bit of research the guide is pretty easy to follow.
with that said, if you face a specific hurdle or question you cannot solve with proper research, just post in my thread and I’m sure myself or somebody else will help you out

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Freak07 said:
If my guide is too difficult to follow for you, you should probably wait a bit longer until twrp is available. This will make things easier.
But to be honest my guide is pretty detailed and describes each step that needs to be taken.
as already mentioned in the thread you should always research properly before blindly following “friendly” guides.
I think with a tiny bit of research the guide is pretty easy to follow.
with that said, if you face a specific hurdle or question you cannot solve with proper research, just post in my thread and I’m sure myself or somebody else will help you out
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it's not only about 'researching properly'.
Thing is, for instance, reading the first few lines from your 'detailed' guide, I already don't know how to obtain the 2 prerequisites:
- latest adb and fastboot binaries
- working adb and fastboot environment
and for the first prerequisite, I already have a bunch of questions to ask despite already researching for hours on XDA:
1. I searched and found something called 15 seconds adb but how can I ensure it's the latest? it was posted a few years ago
2. I know fastboot is a mode which my phone can boot to but what are fastboot 'BINARIES'? what is a binary even? is the thing included in the package I download from the above thread?
3. what is a working adb and fastboot environment and how to obtain/achieve/test whether I have already got it?
and then what are boot images and I couldn't find/download the boot.img of my version. I cannot see mine from the google drive link from another thread - this problem has been described in your thread too
I think more descriptions or download links would be more helpful for guiding us to achieve these - to be more specific, a presentation like the thread of rooting K10 I provided above is what I am looking for. I know it might be just noobs like me who need it but yea, I do need something like this so I would insist on requesting a more 'friendly' and detailed guide of your same method so that I could perform what you are describing in your guide accurately. See if anyone can help if you are not into writing one.

GphonePrince said:
it's not only about 'researching properly'.
Thing is, for instance, reading the first few lines from your 'detailed' guide, I already don't know how to obtain the 2 prerequisites:
- latest adb and fastboot binaries
- working adb and fastboot environment
and for the first prerequisite, I already have a bunch of questions to ask despite already researching for hours on XDA:
1. I searched and found something called 15 seconds adb but how can I ensure it's the latest? it was posted a few years ago
2. I know fastboot is a mode which my phone can boot to but what are fastboot 'BINARIES'? what is a binary even? is the thing included in the package I download from the above thread?
3. what is a working adb and fastboot environment and how to obtain/achieve/test whether I have already got it?
and then what are boot images and I couldn't find/download the boot.img of my version. I cannot see mine from the google drive link from another thread - this problem has been described in your thread too
I think more descriptions or download links would be more helpful for guiding us to achieve these - to be more specific, a presentation like the thread of rooting K10 I provided above is what I am looking for. I know it might be just noobs like me who need it but yea, I do need something like this so I would insist on requesting a more 'friendly' and detailed guide of your same method so that I could perform what you are describing in your guide accurately. See if anyone can help if you are not into writing one.
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@Freak07 went out of his way to give everyone a VERY user friendly guide for rooting. It really couldn't be simpler. Sorry but if there are things in there you don't understand then it is on you to research it and learn, rather than the responsibility of the community to break it down. If you post your questions people will be more than willing to help explain things but the responsibility is on you.
The guide for rooting really couldn't be easier than what was posted. Very user friendly. If that's still too much than just as Freak said, you should wait for twrp to be available.

GphonePrince said:
it's not only about 'researching properly'.
Thing is, for instance, reading the first few lines from your 'detailed' guide, I already don't know how to obtain the 2 prerequisites:
- latest adb and fastboot binaries
- working adb and fastboot environment
and for the first prerequisite, I already have a bunch of questions to ask despite already researching for hours on XDA:
1. I searched and found something called 15 seconds adb but how can I ensure it's the latest? it was posted a few years ago
2. I know fastboot is a mode which my phone can boot to but what are fastboot 'BINARIES'? what is a binary even? is the thing included in the package I download from the above thread?
3. what is a working adb and fastboot environment and how to obtain/achieve/test whether I have already got it?
and then what are boot images and I couldn't find/download the boot.img of my version. I cannot see mine from the google drive link from another thread - this problem has been described in your thread too
I think more descriptions or download links would be more helpful for guiding us to achieve these - to be more specific, a presentation like the thread of rooting K10 I provided above is what I am looking for. I know it might be just noobs like me who need it but yea, I do need something like this so I would insist on requesting a more 'friendly' and detailed guide of your same method so that I could perform what you are describing in your guide accurately. See if anyone can help if you are not into writing one.
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it´s all about researching properly! I will demonstarte it to you!
1. if I google "latest fastboot and adb binaries"
https://www.google.com/search?q=latest+adb+and+fastboot+binaries
the very first article from xda points you to a direct download link from google.
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-releases-separate-adb-and-fastboot-binary-downloads/
the article even states that these will remain the latest binaries. But just so you can see the actual version try "adb version" in terminal.
there are many guides on xda on how to set up your fastboot/adb folder/environment depending on your OS! just try to follow one and see if adb/fastboot commands actually work.
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_file
the adb and fastboot binaries are the files inside the downloaded package from 1. called adb and fastboot. (the filename extension may vary with your OS)
3. regarding researching
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021205
this was the first link that appeared on a simple google of
"how to check if adb is working"
I think I will include this actually in my guide as it seems a good idea to check if adb/fastboot is working.
Working adb environment can be checked with the command
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working fastboot environment with
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DaConcho said:
@Freak07 went out of his way to give everyone a VERY user friendly guide for rooting. It really couldn't be simpler. Sorry but if there are things in there you don't understand then it is on you to research it and learn, rather than the responsibility of the community to break it down. If you post your questions people will be more than willing to help explain things but the responsibility is on you.
The guide for rooting really couldn't be easier than what was posted. Very user friendly. If that's still too much than just as Freak said, you should wait for twrp to be available.
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You said freak's guide requires further researching on your first paragraph and then said his guide cannot be more friendly on your second. isn't it contradicting? To the noobs like myself, if it cannot be more friendly, no further researches should be needed just like the example I posted for LG K10. Also, I have never said that it's the responsibility for anyone to break it down. I simple knew that a more detailed guide is possible and requested it. If someone is willing to write one, they will; and if not, then nothing I can do. It was never a burden/responsibility on anyone. Are you hinting that I don't have the rights of requesting a more detailed guide because requesting = believing that it is the the responsibility of someone?
I mean, all I want is also very simple - a step-by-step guide that is as detailed and 'friendly' enough for noobs so that no researches are required as the one for LG K10. I am not here to invoke any disappointments or criticising freak's guide or anything in the first place. I already said it is just not noobs-friendly and it's on the noobs like myself, who couldn't understand/don't have the time to understand freak's guide. I am not blaming/have never blamed anyone. You all don't need to be defensive for freak's guide, it's a good enough guide for non-noobs I acknowledge. Therefore, I standby my request for a more 'friendly' guide for noobs just like the one example I shown above for LG K10. I hope someone understands what I want and would spend some time on writing one, instead of wasting time arguing/defending for "freak's guide is friendly".
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it´s all about researching properly! I will demonstarte it to you!
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maybe you're right about researching properly. Again, it's on the noobs being a noob not on you and I appreciate your good work. but still, my main point is, I would like to cordially request a step-by-step guide that is detailed and 'friendly' enough that even noobs can use without further researches just like the example I have shown for LG K10. why? because
1) noobs like me don't have the time/the ability to 'research properly' (I have already spent hours to research, and still encountering problems, and every time I get stuck, I need to ask some nooby questions (which could clearly be solved by simply stating more steps) in the thread and wait for someone to reply and I get stuck nearly every single step. How many more weeks/months do I need to spend on this? I have a very busy schedule.)
2) You have made a great guide for non-noobs, I appreaciate it but the fact is, even it might be the fault of being a noob, only a guide like the one I posted for LG K10 could actually help me rooting my phone. Therefore, I standby my request for a more 'friendly' guide for noobs just like the one example I shown above for LG K10. I hope someone understands what I want and would spend some time on writing one, instead of wasting time arguing/defending for "freak's guide is friendly for all or for experts only".
I am not blaming/have never blamed anyone and don't want to argue. I have only one clear goal from start - a request on a more detailed guide. If you don't want to fulfill my request, that's fine you can just walk away but please stop trying to argue that the forum doesn't need a guide for noobs and drive away potential members who are willing to write them. It is always good for the forum to have both versions, 'noob-friendly rooting guide' and 'rooting guide for experts'.

GphonePrince said:
You said freak's guide requires further researching on your first paragraph and then said his guide cannot be more friendly on your second. isn't it contradicting? To the noobs like myself, if it cannot be more friendly, no further researches should be needed just like the example I posted for LG K10. Also, I have never said that it's the responsibility for anyone to break it down. I simple knew that a more detailed guide is possible and requested it. If someone is willing to write one, they will; and if not, then nothing I can do. It was never a burden/responsibility on anyone. Are you hinting that I don't have the rights of requesting a more detailed guide because requesting = believing that it is the the responsibility of someone?
I mean, all I want is also very simple - a step-by-step guide that is as detailed and 'friendly' enough for noobs so that no researches are required as the one for LG K10. I am not here to invoke any disappointments or criticising freak's guide or anything in the first place. I already said it is just not noobs-friendly and it's on the noobs like myself, who couldn't understand/don't have the time to understand freak's guide. I am not blaming/have never blamed anyone. You all don't need to be defensive for freak's guide, it's a good enough guide for non-noobs I acknowledge. Therefore, I standby my request for a more 'friendly' guide for noobs just like the one example I shown above for LG K10. I hope someone understands what I want and would spend some time on writing one, instead of wasting time arguing/defending for "freak's guide is friendly".
maybe you're right about researching properly. Again, it's on the noobs being a noob not on you and I appreciate your good work. but still, my main point is, I would like to cordially request a step-by-step guide that is detailed and 'friendly' enough that even noobs can use without further researches just like the example I have shown for LG K10. why? because
1) noobs like me don't have the time/the ability to 'research properly' (I have already spent hours to research, and still encountering problems, and every time I get stuck, I need to ask some nooby questions (which could clearly be solved by simply stating more steps) in the thread and wait for someone to reply and I get stuck nearly every single step. How many more weeks/months do I need to spend on this? I have a very busy schedule.)
2) You have made a great guide for non-noobs, I appreaciate it but the fact is, even it might be the fault of being a noob, only a guide like the one I posted for LG K10 could actually help me rooting my phone. Therefore, I standby my request for a more 'friendly' guide for noobs just like the one example I shown above for LG K10. I hope someone understands what I want and would spend some time on writing one, instead of wasting time arguing/defending for "freak's guide is friendly for all or for experts only".
I am not blaming/have never blamed anyone and don't want to argue. I have only one clear goal from start - a request on a more detailed guide. If you don't want to fulfill my request, that's fine you can just walk away but please stop trying to argue that the forum doesn't need a guide for noobs and drive away potential members who are willing to write them. It is always good for the forum to have both versions, 'noob-friendly rooting guide' and 'rooting guide for experts'.
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So I took a look at the guide you linked us to.
Half of the links are deleted by a moderator. They probably pointed to some videos that are not allowed on XDA, because they generate income of some sort. So it seems to me.
Personally I feel that my guide is as detailed as the one you linked. And less confusing.
My guide explains how to root the your U12+ (with the current state of things - means no fully working TWRP) and a ton more things. I intentionally left out how to unlock your bootloader, set up adb and fastboot. The simple reason is that there are tons! of guides out on XDA which are just a simple XDA or Google search away.
Ultimately XDA is a place to learn and strive forward as a community. You don´t want to learn, you just want a guide that explains every little detail. ( at best with photos and videos) If you don´t have the time to research at least a little bit, my offer still stands. Wait for a working TWRP as it will simplify the matter.
We already explained to you, there are many people that answer specific questions that arise on your path. Other people profit from these answered questions, in case you ask them and post them in the corresponding thread.
I already answered your last 3 questions. So you should at least be able to start and see where it brings you.
I´m also not deaf to any valuable feedback. I already added that "how to check if adb is actually working" to the guide as it seemed a good idea to me.
So please feel free to contribute, what´s ultimately the purpose of a community.
The other question were asked and answered. If there is no firmware zip for your current firmware version, wait until it is uploaded or kindly ask in the firmware thread if anybody is able to share it.
Otherwise there is a bit of risk involved because you have no way of obtaining the stock boot.img from your current firmware.
here is answered what a boot.img is
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21173628/what-is-boot-img-file-in-android
I even give you one more information. Because this is an A/B device with a bit of a different partition layout, the recovery, which usually has its own partition, sits in the ramdisk, which is part of the boot.img.

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So I took a look at the guide you linked us to.
Half of the links are deleted by a moderator. They probably pointed to some videos that are not allowed on XDA, because they generate income of some sort. So it seems to me.
Personally I feel that my guide is as detailed as the one you linked. And less confusing.
My guide explains how to root the your U12+ (with the current state of things - means no fully working TWRP) and a ton more things. I intentionally left out how to unlock your bootloader, set up adb and fastboot. The simple reason is that there are tons! of guides out on XDA which are just a simple XDA or Google search away.
Ultimately XDA is a place to learn and strive forward as a community. You don´t want to learn, you just want a guide that explains every little detail. ( at best with photos and videos) If you don´t have the time to research at least a little bit, my offer still stands. Wait for a working TWRP as it will simplify the matter.
We already explained to you, there are many people that answer specific questions that arise on your path. Other people profit from these answered questions, in case you ask them and post them in the corresponding thread.
I already answered your last 3 questions. So you should at least be able to start and see where it brings you.
I´m also not deaf to any valuable feedback. I already added that "how to check if adb is actually working" to the guide as it seemed a good idea to me.
So please feel free to contribute, what´s ultimately the purpose of a community.
The other question were asked and answered. If there is no firmware zip for your current firmware version, wait until it is uploaded or kindly ask in the firmware thread if anybody is able to share it.
Otherwise there is a bit of risk involved because you have no way of obtaining the stock boot.img from your current firmware.
here is answered what a boot.img is
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21173628/what-is-boot-img-file-in-android
I even give you one more information. Because this is an A/B device with a bit of a different partition layout, the recovery, which usually has its own partition, sits in the ramdisk, which is part of the boot.img.
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Despite already answered by you, since that actually further brings up tons of follow up questions of mine, mind leaving me your instant messaging contact? Like WhatsApp or telegram or discord etc. As you have admitted, your guide needs tons of further researching (as you know there are tons of articles but I don't know which one is the one I'm looking for and suitable for my phone) and the link I have as an example doesn't (deleted links were screenshots and YouTube videos by the op). is not I am expecting rapid back and forth asking and clarifying into details on each question. Asking in the forum is too slow and not time efficient

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Despite already answered by you, since that actually further brings up tons of follow up questions of mine, mind leaving me your instant messaging contact? Like WhatsApp or telegram or discord etc. As you have admitted, your guide needs tons of further researching (as you know there are tons of articles but I don't know which one is the one I'm looking for and suitable for my phone) and the link I have as an example doesn't (deleted links were screenshots and YouTube videos by the op). is not I am expecting rapid back and forth asking and clarifying into details on each question. Asking in the forum is too slow and not time efficient
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No sorry I won´t do that. If this forum is too time inefficient for you, you can look elsewhere for a more detailed guide or wait until a better one appears here that suits your needs.
You´re asking others to invest time so you can save your own time. You´re asking for knowledge from people, who invest time to obtain this knowledge. Part of this forum is to post questions here, so others can actually profit from the questions answered. Just like you would profit if you´d actually start searching here.
And please don´t put any words into my mouth, that I never said. My guide doesn´t need "tons" of research, just because there are more than enough guides out there.
We can stop here, because you´re clearly asking for a thing which XDA is not about.
If anyone else steps up and writes a more detailed guide that person is very welcome to do so I´m not preventing anyone.

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No sorry I won´t do that. If this forum is too time inefficient for you, you can look elsewhere for a more detailed guide or wait until a better one appears here that suits your needs.
You´re asking others to invest time so you can save your own time. You´re asking for knowledge from people, who invest time to obtain this knowledge. Part of this forum is to post questions here, so others can actually profit from the questions answered. Just like you would profit if you´d actually start searching here.
And please don´t put any words into my mouth, that I never said. My guide doesn´t need "tons" of research, just because there are more than enough guides out there.
We can stop here, because you´re clearly asking for a thing which XDA is not about.
If anyone else steps up and writes a more detailed guide that person is very welcome to do so I´m not preventing anyone.
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I remember once there was a chat group for rooting a phone on stacks, WhatsApp or discord. Why not make one for u12+ to ease everyone? It's 2018, maybe the mode of forum isn't fast enough and needs to be changed. Forum is for complete detailed guides. But if you insist, this thread can become one with hella short questions and answer posts. That's also not aesthetical. Also, do think about your initial aim of releasing a guide. isn't it helping others who don't know how to root u12+? if so, why declining an even effective way of teaching people (me) by allowing me to send you my questions instantly whenever I encounter problems following your guide? Or, which you should disagree with, is it only for your self-gratification to gain recognition from others in this 'community'?
Anyway, even you are not physically preventing anyone from fulfilling my request, what you said already to a certain extent have driven potential writers away. It's actually kinda selfish because it's totally fine if you are not writing one but you don't have to drive people away from writing one. Anyway, so, provided no hopes on anyone writing a rooting guide for noobs, let me start my follow up questions although as I have expected, I will be asking for every small detail which probably most of the experts here already know because I don't have the ability to research properly (I did researched for more hours but I still can't find my answers). I said to 'save time' means to use time effectively - if I use my time to research and actually get what I am looking for, time is not wasted; but if I cannot reach what I want anyway after spending the time, it is wasted.

GphonePrince said:
I remember once there was a chat group for rooting a phone on stacks, WhatsApp or discord. Why not make one for u12+ to ease everyone? It's 2018, maybe the mode of forum isn't fast enough and needs to be changed. Forum is for complete detailed guides. But if you insist, this thread can become one with hella short questions and answer posts. That's also not aesthetical. Also, do think about your initial aim of releasing a guide. isn't it helping others who don't know how to root u12+? if so, why declining an even effective way of teaching people (me) by allowing me to send you my questions instantly whenever I encounter problems following your guide? Or, which you should disagree with, is it only for your self-gratification to gain recognition from others in this 'community'?
Anyway, even you are not physically preventing anyone from fulfilling my request, what you said already to a certain extent have driven potential writers away. It's actually kinda selfish because it's totally fine if you are not writing one but you don't have to drive people away from writing one. Anyway, so, provided no hopes on anyone writing a rooting guide for noobs, let me start my follow up questions although as I have expected, I will be asking for every small detail which probably most of the experts here already know because I don't have the ability to research properly (I did researched for more hours but I still can't find my answers). I said to 'save time' means to use time effectively - if I use my time to research and actually get what I am looking for, time is not wasted; but if I cannot reach what I want anyway after spending the time, it is wasted.
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please don´t get personal with your arguments.
everyone, including you, is free to start such a chat! Open it up and get it going. It´s just, that I won´t start it nor will I maintain or support it.
Again my guide is complete and detailed. and if there is indeed something missing or a little change to be made to make it a bit more polished I will update it. As I already did.
Feel free to ask your questions in the thread and I´m sure they will be answered at some point. Then everyone can profit from your research and from the questions and answers that arose while doing the research.
time spent on researching is never wasted. even if you don´t find all answers swiftly it is never wasted. The journey is the reward!

Thread closed. This seems to have become a thread less focussed on finding an answer and more so on flaming your peers. Given that that seems to be the case for the entire thread, there is no point in leaving this open if all it is going to do is cause excessive drama.
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