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[Q] Is it true that custom ROM's are always less stable than stock ROM's ?

If it's true, why is that? Is it because stock ROM developers are better?
Not being a troll. Honest question.
I'm just curious. I use galaxy Ace, and I would very much like to use a custom ROM to get rid of all the samsung junk apps. But if it's unstable, it may not be worth it.

No. Well made custom roms are usually more stable and faster than stock roms, especially for devices which have unoptimized stock roms, such as the SGS.
You can remove apps from the stock rom by rooting it - Its not necessary to flash a custom one.

Hi 314! Really, I didn't know that. How do I do it safely?

My personal experience is that custom ROMs have been every bit as stable as stock ROMs. I'm quite often running alphas and dailies and impressed with their stability. Of course, doing that, you're bound to run into some gotcha's from time to time but that's part of the fun of dailies, discovering the changes and surprises. I'm on Deck's alpha1 ICS ROM and it's been sweet, but alpha2 hasn't worked for me (wigetsoid seems broken). Shurg. So I restored alpha1, wait for alpha3, and try and get my post count up to give Deck some feedback in his thread.

Thanks mhwarfield. What are dailies? and what is OPS?

"You can remove apps from the stock rom by rooting it - Its not necessary to flash a custom one."
Well i heard this before in some youtube video but exactly not sure how and with which software may be (root manager). Please somebody with experience in this matter give us a full guide how to remove junk apps after rooting. Thanks in advance

rayhan0701 said:
"You can remove apps from the stock rom by rooting it - Its not necessary to flash a custom one."
Well i heard this before in some youtube video but exactly not sure how and with which software may be (root manager). Please somebody with experience in this matter give us a full guide how to remove junk apps after rooting. Thanks in advance
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You can do that easy with "Titanium Backup" from the Market after you Rooted your Device. I think you dont need "Titanium Back Pro" to Remove Junk Apps.

rayhan0701 said:
"You can remove apps from the stock rom by rooting it - Its not necessary to flash a custom one."
Well i heard this before in some youtube video but exactly not sure how and with which software may be (root manager). Please somebody with experience in this matter give us a full guide how to remove junk apps after rooting. Thanks in advance
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It's really really not difficult.
Android stores all user apps in "/data/app"
all stock apps are stored in "/system/app" (this includes every system app, even the keyboard, camera and the gallery are in here)
this is the place where the junk apps should be ( i never had a bloated phone, but i guess they are in here, because we need root to manipulate files here)
now use a file explorer with root function (i use root explorer, and i definitely recommend it) and browse to this folder.
search the junkApp.apk and delete it.
you're done
EDIT: oh and yes, you can do it with titanium backup too, but i don't know if you need the pro version for it

Once you get custom ROMs out of Alpha/Beta/RC, they're better than stock, in my opinion. "Custom" means they can be designed for extra speed, power, leanness, beauty, or any combination of the above.
I don't mind helping out with betas and contributing to developers. Usually, by the time it gets to beta, most stuff is buttoned up nice and tight--plus I don't demand much from my phone.
Sounds like you got it covered with root and Titanium Backup. But do not fear the custom ROM.

It really depends. Some developers are EXTREMELY aggressive and throw a ton of crap into their kernel/ROM without much testing so they can "get ahead" - but often this leads to instability.
Others carefully fix issues one by one, with the exception of initially doing "standard" mods (like extended power menu on Android).
Some ROMs will often see releases coming out multiple times a week, often with lots of changes and reverting back and forth, and ALWAYS rebasing on the latest and greatest stock base, even before it's proven. This approach can sometimes pay off, but the risk of screwing up is high. Most such ROMs turn out to be crap.
Other ROMs take the most stable known base available, and fix whatever remaining known issues exist, and make a few standard tweaks. These are the ROMs that you still see people using more than three months after the last update. An example of this is VillainROM over in I9100-land. I only know of two issues with it - one has a one-time-after-install workaround, and the other is specific to trying to run that ROM on a device it wasn't designed for (I777).

[Q] Main reason to install custom ROM's on WP7

Hi,
I have been a WP user for a very long time (A journey which started with HTC Artemis)
I had started using the custom ROM's provided by some amazing chef's over here compared to what MS was dishing out.
I am not having the WP7 from the first day it had launched (Started with the mozart and now on lumia 800)
I have not yet tried to root the mobile or install a custom ROM in this as for the first time I am loving what MS has given.
Since there are quite a lot of people here who are using custom ROM and also rooting their devices I was wondering what I am missing.
If you have rooted your device or installed a custom ROM please let me know the advantages of rooting and/or installing a custom ROM.
I had searched the threads and could not find an answer anywhere so if this was posted somewhere before apologies.

This has definitely been asked (and answered) before, but the short version is that custom ROMs give deeper access to the system (ability to replace system files, which are locked in ROM, and ability to completely bypass the security system, for example). They also can include the best firmware features from multiple different OEMs. Current "rooting" ability gives less complete access than a custom ROM (for example, native EXEs aren't supported yet, although that's being worked on and should be available soon), but also maintains the OS's ability to receive official updates. Stock ROMs are also less likely to have bugs than custom ROMs, though they typically also offer fewer features.
Of course, part of it comes down to the model of phone you have. LGs can be rooted, but don't get custom ROMs. Lumia 710s (and a very lucky few Lumia 800s) can get custom ROMs, but we havent' been able to root their stock ROMs.

I had checked a few threads but did not find the complete list of benifits in one central place hence this thread.
I am giving below the benefits of rooting based on my little knowledge. It would be great if some one would be able to add to this very small list.
Pro's of rooting
1) Can install the best firmware for your phone regardless of your carrier and your location.
2) Can side load apps which are not approved by MS and not in the marketplace
3) SMS tones
4) Using the phone as mass storage (Not sure about this one)
5) Change the available fonts and metro theme colors
A very small list from me so it would be really great if someone could expand and also correct if the above list is wrong.

I just really dont know if I should custom rom mine. I have so many sms and mms, couple of my games are finished, and final fantasy is still halfway through. Carbon isnt in the marketplace anymore but I still have it. Also messages in whatsapp viber and kik, risking all those for full unlock and homebrew apps that I need but lived without since I bought a titan. If it were possible to export messages, and game progress, and import them back, then I'd definitely custom rom mine, else I'll just have to get a lumia 920 and then do a custom rom.

Ability to send all files through bluetooth to other phones is also great, you should really consider jailbreaking.

NeuroXT said:
I just really dont know if I should custom rom mine. I have so many sms and mms, couple of my games are finished, and final fantasy is still halfway through. Carbon isnt in the marketplace anymore but I still have it. Also messages in whatsapp viber and kik, risking all those for full unlock and homebrew apps that I need but lived without since I bought a titan. If it were possible to export messages, and game progress, and import them back, then I'd definitely custom rom mine, else I'll just have to get a lumia 920 and then do a custom rom.
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It's defenetly worth trying out the 7.8 rom, with the windows phone 8 startsceen!! (link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1908624)
I'm sure you won't regret this one!!! (Microsoft is said to release this February 2013!)
And after you have the Nokia apps (Maps, Music, Drive, City Lens & Counters) you won't let the custom rom's go!!!
(Use this HSPL guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32097753&postcount=14)
For the backing up part: USE CABSENDER! (http://xboxmod.sylvester20007.com/TOOLS/WP7-Update-Cab-Sender.rar) (as Admin)

Thanks sianto I really appreciate it, but I've read some posts around that backing up via cabsender and after installing a custom rom, you won't be able to use that backup anymore as the ID changes per rom install. Is this true? Is it not like in android where you perform a full nand backup and restore anytime?

NeuroXT said:
Thanks sianto I really appreciate it, but I've read some posts around that backing up via cabsender and after installing a custom rom, you won't be able to use that backup anymore as the ID changes per rom install. Is this true? Is it not like in android where you perform a full nand backup and restore anytime?
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Well, it is unstable sometimes! But you just need to copy the folder xxxxx - xxxxx - xxxxx - xxxxx - xxxxx
x: is something random
from an temp folder called Windows Phone Update C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Phone Update
to an safe location, and (after flashing) place it back (with still an extra copy on a safe location) and just use R.
It "should" work!

Expected apps to be installed in every released Rom for HTC explorer

I want to inform every developers of not only HTC explorer developers but also other phone Rom developers that these apps is recommended to be in the Rom's please.
First of all, most of Rom's don't have apps such as
Apps2sd
File manager
And titanium backup
It's necessary that there should be these apps to help the users by making them comfortable to access important files and this even helps the Rom developers get more thanks
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It would be very helpful if every Rom developers see that these apps to be included.
If I have missed anything, plz post it
Please click the thanks button if this helped :thumbup:

Many ROMs are based on AOSP/CM and as such attempt to keep to the minimalistic CM build ethic. The OS is stripped down to the bare OS, nothing more. It is up to the user to install whatever they want beyond that. Usually there is a file manager (CM certainly contains one, and CM-derived ROMs probably contain the CM one), but the others are user preference. While many probably do want some sort of apps2sd script, there are dozens to choose from, and it's up to the user to decide which is right for them. TB is again probably used by quite a few people, but it's still not an essential part of the OS (a file manager, arguably, is [despite it's exclusion from AOSP] and so it is included), and not everyone will want it.
The ROMs are built this way ("bare bones") deliberately; otherwise the situation becomes as dire as the one with manufacturers and carriers preloading all sorts of rubbish people don't want. It is much, much better to release the OS as stripped back as possible and leave it up to the user to choose their apps. It literally takes about a minute to install TB and mounts2SD from the Play Store, and then you have everything you requested (assuming your ROM has a file manager; if not, add a few more seconds to install one of those two). For those that want those things, that's not much to ask. It's better than expecting them to first remove, say, int2ext+ so they can install mounts2sd if they would prefer mounts2sd (just an example, never bothered to compare the two very much).
tl;dr - It is the way it is, and for good reason. Don't expect it to change.

try total commander

I guess all developers will be very thankful that you pointed out which apps they have to include into their roms .
It's not that they know themselves what they want to do and what not. They surely need you to tell them.
I would suggest you make your own rom with all those apps then, just to make sure the community has at least one quality rom :laugh:

jotha said:
I guess all developers will be very thankful that you pointed out which apps they have to include into their roms .
It's not that they know themselves what they want to do and what not. They surely need you to tell them.
I would suggest you make your own rom with all those apps then, just to make sure the community has at least one quality rom :laugh:
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that and moreover .. including apps without asking the original devs of the apps even in copy paste ports is a practice I feel is unethical .

I'm On It!
jotha said:
I guess all developers will be very thankful that you pointed out which apps they have to include into their roms .
It's not that they know themselves what they want to do and what not. They surely need you to tell them.
I would suggest you make your own rom with all those apps then, just to make sure the community has at least one quality rom :laugh:
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I joined this forum long ago, but didn't post anything. Because I didn't know what to post. Slowly i started to learn the activities of developers. How they create a new thread and add roms, and give out new builds. I have even tried almost all of the roms .
Then i decided to create my own, and i did and its still in development. As i got to know that i can't start new threads in forums related to development without atleast 10 posts, i started posting new posts or thread. :silly:
My website www.cthacks.com

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[Q&A] Unofficial CM11 for Saga [06.10.14]

Q&A for Unofficial CM11 for Saga [06.10.14]
Some developers prefer that questions remain separate from their main development thread to help keep things organized. Placing your question within this thread will increase its chances of being answered by a member of the community or by the developer. Thanks for understanding and for helping to keep XDA neat and tidy! :smile:

Hello! I have my Desire S for more than 3 years and it's really wonderful that it has fresh updates thanks to you guys! Great work! Maybe one day it'll be Lollipop also on our device
I've been using cm-11-20141006-UNOFFICIAL-saga for about 2 weeks, it had "no camera" error, some lagging, but it hadn't "mic error", wifi, gps problems or something else and all in all it was good for a daily use. Then I decided to flash the latest build - cm-11-20141020-UNOFFICIAL-saga and from the start it has problem "Unfortunately, the process com.android.phone has stopped"
I will test your new builds as possible and very glad to help you.

com.android.phone
Installed the latest version of CM11 works, but again an error "com.android.phone".

com.android.phone
Installed the latest version of CM11 works, but again an error "com.android.phone".
what to do?

Issues
cons:
Other person cant hear me during call (in loudspeaker mode everything is alright)
Front facing camera is just fliped 180 degrees back camera
signal stucked at 1 bar
themes tendt to crash but nothing special

dolinh said:
cons:
Other person cant hear me during call (in loudspeaker mode everything is alright)
Front facing camera is just fliped 180 degrees back camera
signal stucked at 1 bar
themes tendt to crash but nothing special
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There is ver.2 for testing

During development MoKee for DS, I do not know how Ruling solved the problems on warning no text context during flashing Rom and Calling problem on his ROM development. I remembered he has the same problem on version prior to date 08/08/2014.

So far CM11-2014-10-24 is providing users with fast responsive, smooth and stable, however, it is still contained some bugs considerable minor for me in comparison to the mentioned functions. On top of that in SuperSU, list of managed apps which require SerperSU granted is easily shown up when open SerperSU of which none of CM11s for Saga has provided even popular CM11-MoKee 2014-08-09 which provides users with responsive, smooth and rather stable is still not provided this feather which I consider as important as other. If the ROM is not providing the feathers as it is supposed to be, there should be some bugs preventing that feather to normally function. However, considering the machine itself is also far from perfect when using ROMs that it is not orginally assigned for, bugs is not avoidable; besides ROM software itself has to be developed to suite many kinds of apps from various developers. So developing software for variety of favourite is a hectic task. Android phones, for me, small ROM with small algorithms with less complexity should be a good ROM since it provides a direct access rather than going around. I have been testing many kinds of ROMs including sens, JB and Kitkat for a while and decided to stick on Kitkat rather than sens or JB. For old machine like Saga, if users could ignore some minor bugs and battery drainage in comparison to sens or JB , Kitkat is considering a good choice of ROMs around. I mainly used MoKee by Ruling after Devin Kin stop his development and found that the ROM still has some bugs such as list of apps allocated by SeperSU did not shown up and occationally lag and hang up. I found this version of ROM kindly developed by Kylon and sHAKajaada has suite my needs. Thank you very much.

Remix151 said:
Is cm-11-20141028-UNOFFICIAL-saga.zip fixes ringtone_fix_flinny_a5?
Is everything on this point is working or further need to apply this patch?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=51318467
Regards and thanks for your hard work!
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It is working by itself, there is no need to fix, calling can be heard on both sides. Kylon has compiled with his fix though. The problem, I have so far is Wifi Ap, I could not figure out how to enable it, because Kylon has disable WiFi Ap.

here

kchaisu said:
So far CM11-2014-10-24 is providing users with fast responsive, smooth and stable, however, it is still contained some bugs considerable minor for me in comparison to the mentioned functions. On top of that in SuperSU, list of managed apps which require SerperSU granted is easily shown up when open SerperSU of which none of CM11s for Saga has provided even popular CM11-MoKee 2014-08-09 which provides users with responsive, smooth and rather stable is still not provided this feather which I consider as important as other. If the ROM is not providing the feathers as it is supposed to be, there should be some bugs preventing that feather to normally function. However, considering the machine itself is also far from perfect when using ROMs that it is not orginally assigned for, bugs is not avoidable; besides ROM software itself has to be developed to suite many kinds of apps from various developers. So developing software for variety of favourite is a hectic task. Android phones, for me, small ROM with small algorithms with less complexity should be a good ROM since it provides a direct access rather than going around. I have been testing many kinds of ROMs including sens, JB and Kitkat for a while and decided to stick on Kitkat rather than sens or JB. For old machine like Saga, if users could ignore some minor bugs and battery drainage in comparison to sens or JB , Kitkat is considering a good choice of ROMs around. I mainly used MoKee by Ruling after Devin Kin stop his development and found that the ROM still has some bugs such as list of apps allocated by SeperSU did not shown up and occationally lag and hang up. I found this version of ROM kindly developed by Kylon and sHAKajaada has suite my needs. Thank you very much.
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The feature on SuperSU of which I mentioned that app permission list is not function on CM11-MoKee 2014-08-09 now is working perfectly after updated to new version of chain fire. This problem should be related to SuperSU itself.

Installing CM11 on HTC Desire
Funny thing my answer seems to go to a different thread, but nevertheless...
In the "Unofficial CM11 for Saga [06.10.14]" thread ManishGade described a blank screen after installing CM11. That may happen when boot.img has not been flashed, especially if there's a stock ROM there.
Moving from stock ICS 4.0.4 to CM11 on HTC Desire S:
1. Unlock bootloader (HTCDev etc)
2. Download cm-11-xxxxxxxx-UNOFFICIAL-saga.zip
3. Replace upload-binary (inside the zip) with patched version, or you'll get "set_metadata_recursive" error (see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2532300)
4. "fastboot flash recovery recovery.img", with 4EXTRecovery_v2.1.3RC4 (none of 1.0.0.6 I found worked for me - the screen stuck on "HTC", that's why the trick with upload-binary was needed) - http://www.4ext.net/get.php?f=4EXTRecovery_v2.1.3RC4.zip&device=saga
5. "fastboot flash boot boot.img" with boot.img from the CM11 package
6. Go to the 4ext recovery (battery out/in, VolumeDown+Power, Recovery)
7. Wipe data, clear caches, install the CM11 zip package.
Regards,

Thanks I installed it last monday.
When my waranty on my desire ran out I installed Cyanogen 7.2 even though it is old it is brilliant. Last Monday I decided to install CM11 unofficial for Saga. Also a Brilliant Rom!

Empty ROM

Hello everyone,
Im here for a long time now, enjoy my different android cellphone with different ROMs you proposed.
But now I wish one thing : a empty ROM with nothing in it for my Z3.
Is it existing and/or valuable? Indeed I want it to put a modded Store and add everything I want with nothing else.
Well I think Im not the only one in this quest and and maybe It's already discuss elsewhere.
Well thanks for all of your work its really amazing what you can do in here.

What do you mean by an "empty ROM" ?
You can always take a rom .zip and modify it the way you think it suits you best,
but I don't think many users here want to have a bootable rom with nothing in it.
Please specify what you mean by empty.
Do you mean no system at all, no apps, no bloat, no extra features besides AOSP?

he basically means no apps/widgets at all, just the rom itself

The rom itself functions because of the system apps or am I missing something?
But like I said he could use every rom zip and modify it, which would be in fact the same
as getting an "empty" one, where he had to add many apps for basic things like phone, settings etc.

Richy99 said:
he basically means no apps/widgets at all, just the rom itself
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Yes That's what i am talking about.
I have just seen in android development ROMs with lot of apps.
I install ROM til the SGS and now I own a Z3.
Between I took a break with Android for iPhone.
Well I am again in android stuff and there are changes.
I mean when I installed ROM back in the days I had to flash the kernel, etc.
Now there's only a zip to flash in Recovery with all already configured.
How can I configure more? Choose what i want in the ROM.
Obviously I need Phone app (didn't know that's an app in fact) but for the rest, I can use for example Retrica for APN, Box for email etc. I don't advertise it's just examples.
Well are the cyanogen ROM nightlies what I am looking for?
I want to personalize all.
Thanks for the interest.

Well I understand the need to configure it yourself, but theres definitely no such rom. I for myself never saw something like that on xda. But like I said if you don't want the pre-installed apps you can open the rom zip and delete those you don't want and replace them with the ones you got.
But beware: like I already said there's a whole lot of apps for basic phone features which may not appear as an app with an actual interface on your device but rather work in the background. Deleting such could end in a brick in the worst case.
CyanogenMod has all the standard apps pre-installed like every other major custom rom out there.
It's designed to be flashed and used right away.