I want to inform every developers of not only HTC explorer developers but also other phone Rom developers that these apps is recommended to be in the Rom's please.
First of all, most of Rom's don't have apps such as
Apps2sd
File manager
And titanium backup
It's necessary that there should be these apps to help the users by making them comfortable to access important files and this even helps the Rom developers get more thanks
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It would be very helpful if every Rom developers see that these apps to be included.
If I have missed anything, plz post it
Please click the thanks button if this helped :thumbup:
Many ROMs are based on AOSP/CM and as such attempt to keep to the minimalistic CM build ethic. The OS is stripped down to the bare OS, nothing more. It is up to the user to install whatever they want beyond that. Usually there is a file manager (CM certainly contains one, and CM-derived ROMs probably contain the CM one), but the others are user preference. While many probably do want some sort of apps2sd script, there are dozens to choose from, and it's up to the user to decide which is right for them. TB is again probably used by quite a few people, but it's still not an essential part of the OS (a file manager, arguably, is [despite it's exclusion from AOSP] and so it is included), and not everyone will want it.
The ROMs are built this way ("bare bones") deliberately; otherwise the situation becomes as dire as the one with manufacturers and carriers preloading all sorts of rubbish people don't want. It is much, much better to release the OS as stripped back as possible and leave it up to the user to choose their apps. It literally takes about a minute to install TB and mounts2SD from the Play Store, and then you have everything you requested (assuming your ROM has a file manager; if not, add a few more seconds to install one of those two). For those that want those things, that's not much to ask. It's better than expecting them to first remove, say, int2ext+ so they can install mounts2sd if they would prefer mounts2sd (just an example, never bothered to compare the two very much).
tl;dr - It is the way it is, and for good reason. Don't expect it to change.
try total commander
I guess all developers will be very thankful that you pointed out which apps they have to include into their roms .
It's not that they know themselves what they want to do and what not. They surely need you to tell them.
I would suggest you make your own rom with all those apps then, just to make sure the community has at least one quality rom :laugh:
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I guess all developers will be very thankful that you pointed out which apps they have to include into their roms .
It's not that they know themselves what they want to do and what not. They surely need you to tell them.
I would suggest you make your own rom with all those apps then, just to make sure the community has at least one quality rom :laugh:
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that and moreover .. including apps without asking the original devs of the apps even in copy paste ports is a practice I feel is unethical .
I'm On It!
jotha said:
I guess all developers will be very thankful that you pointed out which apps they have to include into their roms .
It's not that they know themselves what they want to do and what not. They surely need you to tell them.
I would suggest you make your own rom with all those apps then, just to make sure the community has at least one quality rom :laugh:
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I joined this forum long ago, but didn't post anything. Because I didn't know what to post. Slowly i started to learn the activities of developers. How they create a new thread and add roms, and give out new builds. I have even tried almost all of the roms .
Then i decided to create my own, and i did and its still in development. As i got to know that i can't start new threads in forums related to development without atleast 10 posts, i started posting new posts or thread. :silly:
My website www.cthacks.com
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First, the new Droid Sans for the dev phone works great! If you haven't seen it, check the market!
That program, and some of the other apks, such as the one for flash seem to get a ton of really stupid comments in the market. Also, the market now seems to be too big, with not enough sub-categories to find things easily.
IMO, there should at least be a category for advanced users and developers only. (Maybe even one which you would have to sign in to visit, with a big disclaimer saying something like "These programs will not run on most G1s. They are programs for rooted or (don't know if Google will like the rooted part), developer's phones. Many of them are apk's for developers to make it easier for them to write better apps for you, rather than stand-alone-apps. If you are a developer, or an advanced user, please sign up to download the apps."
Is there a place to suggest improvements to the market to Google?
(Maybe I just am feeling nasty after looking at all those grade school comments in the market).
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First, the new Droid Sans for the dev phone works great! If you haven't seen it, check the market!
That program, and some of the other apks, such as the one for flash seem to get a ton of really stupid comments in the market. Also, the market now seems to be too big, with not enough sub-categories to find things easily.
IMO, there should at least be a category for advanced users and developers only. (Maybe even one which you would have to sign in to visit, with a big disclaimer saying something like "These programs will not run on most G1s. They are programs for rooted or (don't know if Google will like the rooted part), developer's phones. Many of them are apk's for developers to make it easier for them to write better apps for you, rather than stand-alone-apps. If you are a developer, or an advanced user, please sign up to download the apps."
Is there a place to suggest improvements to the market to Google?
(Maybe I just am feeling nasty after looking at all those grade school comments in the market).
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tbh i think that if you had a moderator (obviously not just the one ) who
monitored the market and removed stupid comments and who could even issue 24 hour bans or something it would improve things tenfold.
and about the rooted section, google wouldn't like it but what can they do? no matter what they release people will find a way to get root access again google might as well just release cupcake with root access already enabled.
If Google released cupcake with root access, there would be an awful lot of happy G1 users!
I see you have RC30, do you have auto rotate with your pictures? Now that I've got the new Droid Sans, everything except pictures seems to auto rotate. (although I've only tried one photo so far, I need to check others).
which app is for flash?
would u send me code for how to use different font in android
installed this app- this rocks.
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which app is for flash?
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Action Script Reference. It doesn't do Flash, it's a help for Flash and Flex developers. (I added that in case there are any non developers reading this who think they are going to have Flash by downloading it).
I know its still kinda soon and all but do you think that there will be something along the lines of this quick install for the pre for the evo soon?? I used to have it for my pre and I liked it a lot. I just think its an easier way to out themes and tweaks on your phone. Lets get some devs on this
AS far as I know, It does not exist, but it would be awesome.
I mean, I understand the ROM approach, and all is good, but is a little bit too much.... For instance, right now I have OMJ's rom that gives me anything I need, but, let's say, I want to add something.. like to edit the hosts file to avoid ads, I only have 2 options, either load another rom (and again wipe everything, restore from a backup, and manually tweak the data that was not backed up, like some edits inside contacts, quick dial, etc), or manually tweak the hosts file, but there is no software to help automate any tweaks like Quick Install.... (or patches or anything like that)
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AS far as I know, It does not exist, but it would be awesome.
I mean, I understand the ROM approach, and all is good, but is a little bit too much.... For instance, right now I have OMJ's rom that gives me anything I need, but, let's say, I want to add something.. like to edit the hosts file to avoid ads, I only have 2 options, either load another rom (and again wipe everything, restore from a backup, and manually tweak the data that was not backed up, like some edits inside contacts, quick dial, etc), or manually tweak the hosts file, but there is no software to help automate any tweaks like Quick Install.... (or patches or anything like that)
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This is why we should make this a sticky and get people to make this happen. It would be so convenient and easy for the people that dont know what to do when it comes to the ROMs.
agreeeed! quickinstall and preware...aww man bring back the memories....
Can someone explain to me what this quick install thing is? Maybe I or one of my co devs can help make it happen
im quoting from the pre wiki:
Preware is a package management application for the Palm Pre and the Palm Pixi. Preware allows the user to install any package from any of the open standard package repositories on preware.org (or any other location that hosts an open standard package repository). Preware relies on a custom written service developed from community research which allows the mojo app to talk to the built-in ipkg tool.
This application was the result of extensive community-based design in IPKG Service and Preware Design.
For application management, Preware can access more applications, and has more features, than any other on-device package installer.
And since it is open source, and has a completely open development process supported by a team of world-class WebOS Internals developers, it will continue to get better much faster than any other package management application.
Preware is the open application installer that has been written specifically to support a homebrew ecosystem where any developer can upload any application to any submission site, and that application can then be installed by any user. Developers no longer need to upload their applications to multiple submission sites, and users are no longer excluded from accessing applications from any open standard package repository.
quickinstall is essentially the same thing but all actions done via your computer
the homebrew community for the pre was INCREDIBLE, im hoping with the growing number of users here that hopefully it will be just a good here!
Well first, the dev community here is much better. Trust me. It takes a little to get off our feet because WebOS and Android are completely different and HTC tries to block us at every move. The Evo community is moving faster than any other XDA Android community has. Don't doubt our devs
I knew what Preware was. I didn't realize quick install was the same thing. Ok so basically you want a repository consisting of what? Roms?
roms, patches,tweaks, themes, hell even some apps on the low low haha
haha i still have my pre and follow the updates on preware using wifi.
i think if devs use rom manager that would be great...and i am sure all devs will get on that soon enough
haha yea i have noticed work on the EVO moved alot faster than any of the other android phones...
thanks for your responses chuck, ill be getting more involved here and always let me know if there is anything i can do to help.
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Well first, the dev community here is much better. Trust me. It takes a little to get off our feet because WebOS and Android are completely different and HTC tries to block us at every move. The Evo community is moving faster than any other XDA Android community has. Don't doubt our devs
I knew what Preware was. I didn't realize quick install was the same thing. Ok so basically you want a repository consisting of what? Roms?
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why is that? i only ask because with the pre, palm was a really big supporter of the dev community...it just seems counter productive for htc to try and block users efforts to make the phones even more desirable and customizable...i know thats what drew so many people to the pre...also one of the reasons i loved it
Are you referring to something like metamorph maybe used it on my hero a lot
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ahh yea i guess in a way rom manager and meta pretty much do what preware does
i guess maybe we were trying to see if it could all be consolidated to one place [make it evo specific] and have a few more features and options??
for example: there is not flash for the camcorder...perhaps a patch to change that? or like when the light senor detects a face the phone is in earpiece, when you move your face away it automatically goes to speakerphone [i use these two examples because they are somewhat recent developments on the pre] but now that I have an idea of what kinda tweaks are possible i think we could probably move really quickly
havent played with metamorph yet but i will def check it out tonight]
EDIT #1: upon future researching metamorph it seems even more like preware than i thought, BUT the OP was talking about quickinstall...i am cool with either haha thanks for the replies
EDIT #2: i just tried to install and i guess its not ready for us yet...ill be patiently waiting i guess hah
If it's true, why is that? Is it because stock ROM developers are better?
Not being a troll. Honest question.
I'm just curious. I use galaxy Ace, and I would very much like to use a custom ROM to get rid of all the samsung junk apps. But if it's unstable, it may not be worth it.
No. Well made custom roms are usually more stable and faster than stock roms, especially for devices which have unoptimized stock roms, such as the SGS.
You can remove apps from the stock rom by rooting it - Its not necessary to flash a custom one.
Hi 314! Really, I didn't know that. How do I do it safely?
My personal experience is that custom ROMs have been every bit as stable as stock ROMs. I'm quite often running alphas and dailies and impressed with their stability. Of course, doing that, you're bound to run into some gotcha's from time to time but that's part of the fun of dailies, discovering the changes and surprises. I'm on Deck's alpha1 ICS ROM and it's been sweet, but alpha2 hasn't worked for me (wigetsoid seems broken). Shurg. So I restored alpha1, wait for alpha3, and try and get my post count up to give Deck some feedback in his thread.
Thanks mhwarfield. What are dailies? and what is OPS?
"You can remove apps from the stock rom by rooting it - Its not necessary to flash a custom one."
Well i heard this before in some youtube video but exactly not sure how and with which software may be (root manager). Please somebody with experience in this matter give us a full guide how to remove junk apps after rooting. Thanks in advance
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"You can remove apps from the stock rom by rooting it - Its not necessary to flash a custom one."
Well i heard this before in some youtube video but exactly not sure how and with which software may be (root manager). Please somebody with experience in this matter give us a full guide how to remove junk apps after rooting. Thanks in advance
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You can do that easy with "Titanium Backup" from the Market after you Rooted your Device. I think you dont need "Titanium Back Pro" to Remove Junk Apps.
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"You can remove apps from the stock rom by rooting it - Its not necessary to flash a custom one."
Well i heard this before in some youtube video but exactly not sure how and with which software may be (root manager). Please somebody with experience in this matter give us a full guide how to remove junk apps after rooting. Thanks in advance
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It's really really not difficult.
Android stores all user apps in "/data/app"
all stock apps are stored in "/system/app" (this includes every system app, even the keyboard, camera and the gallery are in here)
this is the place where the junk apps should be ( i never had a bloated phone, but i guess they are in here, because we need root to manipulate files here)
now use a file explorer with root function (i use root explorer, and i definitely recommend it) and browse to this folder.
search the junkApp.apk and delete it.
you're done
EDIT: oh and yes, you can do it with titanium backup too, but i don't know if you need the pro version for it
Once you get custom ROMs out of Alpha/Beta/RC, they're better than stock, in my opinion. "Custom" means they can be designed for extra speed, power, leanness, beauty, or any combination of the above.
I don't mind helping out with betas and contributing to developers. Usually, by the time it gets to beta, most stuff is buttoned up nice and tight--plus I don't demand much from my phone.
Sounds like you got it covered with root and Titanium Backup. But do not fear the custom ROM.
It really depends. Some developers are EXTREMELY aggressive and throw a ton of crap into their kernel/ROM without much testing so they can "get ahead" - but often this leads to instability.
Others carefully fix issues one by one, with the exception of initially doing "standard" mods (like extended power menu on Android).
Some ROMs will often see releases coming out multiple times a week, often with lots of changes and reverting back and forth, and ALWAYS rebasing on the latest and greatest stock base, even before it's proven. This approach can sometimes pay off, but the risk of screwing up is high. Most such ROMs turn out to be crap.
Other ROMs take the most stable known base available, and fix whatever remaining known issues exist, and make a few standard tweaks. These are the ROMs that you still see people using more than three months after the last update. An example of this is VillainROM over in I9100-land. I only know of two issues with it - one has a one-time-after-install workaround, and the other is specific to trying to run that ROM on a device it wasn't designed for (I777).
Hello Experts,
Even though, I don't knows "A" of "Android", but after playing around couple of ROMs with my rooted OnePlus One device, I have below wish/suggestions for ROM developers :
1.There should be two type of ROM installation i.e. custom and default installation. In custom installation user should have options (recommended by ROM team) to choose the rom compatible apps like browser,email clients,camera app, audio and video player app,file explorer,launcher,Gapps,theme etc.
2.Which app, mod/zip have been flashed/uninstalled after installing rom i.e. mod/app history.
3.Suppose I am going to install a new app/mod, rom should tell me that this new app/mod will affect in these areas of phone, if it not compatible with rom and still user is going to install, then there should be a place like "Uncompilable Installed Apps" with the details that why it is not compatible with this kernel,rom and/or device.
4.Forthcoming release will have these features and expected date of release.
5.ROM comparison option/app i.e. this ROM have/have not these features in compare to other market roms.
Obviously, ROM developers do their hard work without any monetary gain and my above "suggestions" are like they are paid for it, but whenever I gets some idea popped up, I writes in the forum, so that if I am suffering by "Bad Ideas Syndrome", then I will be stand corrected by your replies. I don't know how good or bad I have idea for ROM developers, but just sharing though.
Thanks and Regards
Girish Sharma
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Hello Experts,
Even though, I don't knows "A" of "Android", but after playing around couple of ROMs with my rooted OnePlus One device, I have below wish/suggestions for ROM developers :
1.There should be two type of ROM installation i.e. custom and default installation. In custom installation user should have options (recommended by ROM team) to choose the rom compatible apps like browser,email clients,camera app, audio and video player app,file explorer,launcher,Gapps,theme etc.
2.Which app, mod/zip have been flashed/uninstalled after installing rom i.e. mod/app history.
3.Suppose I am going to install a new app/mod, rom should tell me that this new app/mod will affect in these areas of phone, if it not compatible with rom and still user is going to install, then there should be a place like "Uncompilable Installed Apps" with the details that why it is not compatible with this kernel,rom and/or device.
4.Forthcoming release will have these features and expected date of release.
5.ROM comparison option/app i.e. this ROM have/have not these features in compare to other market roms.
Obviously, ROM developers do their hard work without any monetary gain and my above "suggestions" are like they are paid for it, but whenever I gets some idea popped up, I writes in the forum, so that if I am suffering by "Bad Ideas Syndrome", then I will be stand corrected by your replies. I don't know how good or bad I have idea for ROM developers, but just sharing though.
Thanks and Regards
Girish Sharma
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i think these points youve taken has been addressed ..
1. its always been indicated on which is better, either clean or dirty flash
2. always posted based on the file being uploaded , included on changelogs most of the time.
3. this is usually on the user side.. thats why its been posted, and users tend to report if theres any problem or not on the said file being uploaded, usually reports has been posted with specific logs on why these apps did not work on the user side..
4. ETA is not always advisable.. developers are doing this for free.. unless its really something they earn money for..
5. rom comparison is always on the user side.. users are free to download any rom available and test all they want..
Hi Cebu,
Thanks for your participation in the thread. But, your point-wise replies do not match with what I have posted. Let me elaborate me.
1.Suppose you have cooked a rom, so I think there should be two types of installation (A) Standard/Default (B) Custom. If I opted (A) then there will be apps which you have provided by default, but if I opted Custom, then there should be options for selections of apps like I wish to have X Camera app, Y Browser, Z email client etc. like that.
2.Suppose today I ported XYZ rom, and after 2 days, I installed an app or flashed a mod. On the 3rd day I installed another app/mod. On the 4th day I uninstalled one app which I installed before 2 days... so there should be a place where I can see the app's installation and uninstallation log/activity.
3.There should be place where user can be aware that after installation of an app/mod/zip will have impact on these areas.
4.Agree that developers are doing the programming as and when they gets time, but forthcoming feature list and/or on which part they are working should be there.
5.Suppose I have X ROM, so in the rom itself, there should be a place where rom comparison can be viewed.
GirishSharma said:
Hi Cebu,
Thanks for your participation in the thread. But, your point-wise replies do not match with what I have posted. Let me elaborate me.
1.Suppose you have cooked a rom, so I think there should be two types of installation (A) Standard/Default (B) Custom. If I opted (A) then there will be apps which you have provided by default, but if I opted Custom, then there should be options for selections of apps like I wish to have X Camera app, Y Browser, Z email client etc. like that.
2.Suppose today I ported XYZ rom, and after 2 days, I installed an app or flashed a mod. On the 3rd day I installed another app/mod. On the 4th day I uninstalled one app which I installed before 2 days... so there should be a place where I can see the app's installation and uninstallation log/activity.
3.There should be place where user can be aware that after installation of an app/mod/zip will have impact on these areas.
4.Agree that developers are doing the programming as and when they gets time, but forthcoming feature list and/or on which part they are working should be there.
5.Suppose I have X ROM, so in the rom itself, there should be a place where rom comparison can be viewed.
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Comparing roms is pointless. It is up to each.
Eta are never given.
There is no telling if an app or a mod will effect anything. That is up to you. You have to do proper research. Remember this is a developers forum.
Some roms use aroma installers but they can be buggy.
You have to remember that roms are not made for users. They are made for the devs and they decide to share it.
Hello everyone,
Im here for a long time now, enjoy my different android cellphone with different ROMs you proposed.
But now I wish one thing : a empty ROM with nothing in it for my Z3.
Is it existing and/or valuable? Indeed I want it to put a modded Store and add everything I want with nothing else.
Well I think Im not the only one in this quest and and maybe It's already discuss elsewhere.
Well thanks for all of your work its really amazing what you can do in here.
What do you mean by an "empty ROM" ?
You can always take a rom .zip and modify it the way you think it suits you best,
but I don't think many users here want to have a bootable rom with nothing in it.
Please specify what you mean by empty.
Do you mean no system at all, no apps, no bloat, no extra features besides AOSP?
he basically means no apps/widgets at all, just the rom itself
The rom itself functions because of the system apps or am I missing something?
But like I said he could use every rom zip and modify it, which would be in fact the same
as getting an "empty" one, where he had to add many apps for basic things like phone, settings etc.
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he basically means no apps/widgets at all, just the rom itself
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Yes That's what i am talking about.
I have just seen in android development ROMs with lot of apps.
I install ROM til the SGS and now I own a Z3.
Between I took a break with Android for iPhone.
Well I am again in android stuff and there are changes.
I mean when I installed ROM back in the days I had to flash the kernel, etc.
Now there's only a zip to flash in Recovery with all already configured.
How can I configure more? Choose what i want in the ROM.
Obviously I need Phone app (didn't know that's an app in fact) but for the rest, I can use for example Retrica for APN, Box for email etc. I don't advertise it's just examples.
Well are the cyanogen ROM nightlies what I am looking for?
I want to personalize all.
Thanks for the interest.
Well I understand the need to configure it yourself, but theres definitely no such rom. I for myself never saw something like that on xda. But like I said if you don't want the pre-installed apps you can open the rom zip and delete those you don't want and replace them with the ones you got.
But beware: like I already said there's a whole lot of apps for basic phone features which may not appear as an app with an actual interface on your device but rather work in the background. Deleting such could end in a brick in the worst case.
CyanogenMod has all the standard apps pre-installed like every other major custom rom out there.
It's designed to be flashed and used right away.