Back in 2012 I used to own a Galaxy S3. Installing custom ROMs was simple. Now you have to request an unlock code from Motorola? Is this so they can keep track of who is voiding their warranty? I kind of don't want to unlock mine for this reason, but I'm afraid that when the warranty expires this tool will be gone and it'll be permanently locked.
Yes, it's for keeping track of warranty status.
The tool won't be disabled after warranty expires.
So a year from now I'll still be able to unlock the bootloader?
Took me 1 minute. Can't see a complicated thing. It safer now. Years ago you needed to flash a custom bootloader with a high risk of hardbrick.
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So a year from now I'll still be able to unlock the bootloader?
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Yes.
Aftcomet said:
Back in 2012 I used to own a Galaxy S3. Installing custom ROMs was simple. Now you have to request an unlock code from Motorola? Is this so they can keep track of who is voiding their warranty? I kind of don't want to unlock mine for this reason, but I'm afraid that when the warranty expires this tool will be gone and it'll be permanently locked.
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Also, you're comparing a Samsung phone with a Motorola phone. Two different companies with different policies.
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Also, you're comparing a Samsung phone with a Motorola phone. Two different companies with different policies.
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True that! I much prefer Motorola. I only have Linux on my laptop and Odin for flashing Samsung phones is a nightmare outside of windoze. Motorola phones can be flashed via command line with the SDK toolkit on any operating system. I remember having a Galaxy Nexus and once the bootloader's is unlocked, it'd show an open padlock on the boot screen.
If unlocking the bootloader is too much of a bother, get yourself a budget phone that doesn't have a bootloader. Then root with a couple clicks via Cydia Impactor. You'll never get Android updates, won't be able to flash ROM's, and if you brick your phone, I don't know any way to unbrick it, but you won't have to unlock a bootloader!
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Has anyone thought that maybe google has made 2.3 unrootable? Scary thought i know, but its kind of like a cat and mouse game with the developers and google/manufacturers with root patches.
Maybe google finally will put the nail in the coffin here?
WOOT. It's rooted, im happily wrong.
It's a developer phone, so why would Google want to make devs waste time trying to root.
could it be possible that Google enable root access by default, then?
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could it be possible that Google enable root access by default, then?
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Definately not.
Dev phones have always been rootable, i doubt that will change.
The phones that have trouble being rooted are always manufacture customized ones.
it's still able to fastboot oem unlock from what i've heard. Will be rooted same day it's available for purchase guaranteed.
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it's still able to fastboot oem unlock from what i've heard. Will be rooted same day it's available for purchase guaranteed.
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I'd bet that it will be rooted BEFORE!
The developer build on my Nexus One is already rooted. I don't imagine the release build will be any different from all of the previous OTAs.
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it's still able to fastboot oem unlock from what i've heard. Will be rooted same day it's available for purchase guaranteed.
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You are correct.
Samsung never locked their (Android?) phones. Personally I've installed custom ROMs on the Galaxy Spica and international S and both came factory unlocked. Unlike with some of HTC's devices you can flash anything you want without using exploits.
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Samsung never locked their (Android?) phones. Personally I've installed custom ROMs on the Galaxy Spica and international S and both came factory unlocked. Unlike with some of HTC's devices you can flash anything you want without using exploits.
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Your right, as of now I don't think Samsung locked any of their phones, but the only thing Samsung has on this phone is the hardware aspect. All the software aspect is by Google.
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Samsung never locked their (Android?) phones. Personally I've installed custom ROMs on the Galaxy Spica and international S and both came factory unlocked. Unlike with some of HTC's devices you can flash anything you want without using exploits.
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Then how do you explain threads like this (on the samsung galaxy sub forums):
[HOWTO] [REF] [FAQ] [Guides] [Tutorials] Flash/Root/ADB/ROM [MUST READ!]
It seems like you have carrier/sim lock and root confused. Just like nearly every phone on the market, they are locked. You will also need root to do anything that says "please root your phone". They do not ship this way...
I'm sure it will be rootable... Google doesn't want to block out developers
Just food for thought i guess, we cant know until its released anyways.
What exactly is fastboot oem unlock ?
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Just food for thought i guess, we cant know until its released anyways.
What exactly is fastboot oem unlock ?
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Very true
Look right above the Youtube icon.... http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/features
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Look right above the Youtube icon.... http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/features
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that's unlocked for carriers with gsm...that's not root. Simply meaning it will work with at&t or tmobile by changing the sim card. Root lets you edit system files and a custom recovery to flash roms
Lmao no one so far in this thread should get one of these developer phones as you plainly do not understand what you are doing here when it comes to deciding what the difference is between root permissions and unlocked to all networks.
lets put it this way, if you are one of the above who are having trouble, dream on and steer clear from the prospects of rooting all together
unless that is you fancy yourself a very expensive paperweight?
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Just food for thought i guess, we cant know until its released anyways.
What exactly is fastboot oem unlock ?
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This command unlocks your bootloader on the N1/N-S allowing you to flash custom roms, but visibly voids your warranty (bootloader screen shows that it's unlocked)
how to root moto g without unlock bootloader?
Right now there is no solution. Maybe one day, but don't hold your breath.
ok, and unlocking bootloader can be reverted to locked bootloader for warranty as it was never unlocked? when bootloader is locked theres any difference or alert, like the alter triangle in samsung phones with unlocked bootloader?
When the bootloader is unlocked there is a warning when you boot, but there's a solution published in these forums for how to revert to the normal Motorola boot screen. You can relock the bootloader but it doesn't restore the warranty as Motorola have a list of which phones have been unlocked.
However in Europe unlocking the bootloader does not invalidate your warranty, regardless of what Motorola might say. You also have an automatic 2-year warranty on all purchases.
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ok, and unlocking bootloader can be reverted to locked bootloader for warranty as it was never unlocked? when bootloader is locked theres any difference or alert, like the alter triangle in samsung phones with unlocked bootloader?
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To unlock Bootloader you have to submit "fastboot oem get_unlock_data" on Motorola's website and you'll get the unlock code. If you do so they have your device in their database. Secondary it is flagged in the device itself if i remember right.
ok but ive just spoken with motorola support in italy, they told me that if the phone had any software modification they wont provide anymore warranty
I know that to unlock sony phone you have to get from their website also a code, but that dont get you warranty off, in italy ive sent the phone in assistance and they didnt even check that database
anyway i hope there will be a way to root without losing warranty in near future, like for samsung flashing prerooted stock firmware
i just want root to restore data from a titanium backup for 1 app from my previous android phone, nothing more
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ok but ive just spoken with motorola support in italy, they told me that if the phone had any software modification they wont provide anymore warranty
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I'm not sure with this, but i think, in Europe you'll have full warrenty anyway on the Hardware as long as you did not destroy it by a software failure. So for e.g. if you unlock Bootloader only and your screen will be dead later which is not caused by a software modification you'll have full warrenty on the Hardware. But if it comes hard, it might be difficult to deliver a proper proof to Motorola that it is a manufacturers fault.
This is the chat i had right now with motorola germany
Ben: Hallo, mein Name ist Ben. Wie kann ich Ihnen helfen?
me: Hello, can i just ask you a question in english?
Ben: Sure, how can I help?
me: Thank you very much, i just would like to know if phone unlocking, about moto g, void warranty
me: With phone unlocking i mean bootload unlocking
Ben: Yes, this will void the warranty.
me: Ok thank you ben
me: goodbye
Ben: You are very welcome, bye for now.
This is also written in their licence Agreement. I doubt that it is applicable to EU law in this way. But as i said i don't know for sure, I'm not a lawyer. They can write and say a lot if the day is long and of course they will not give you any legal advice which will be against their own terms.. If you ask them they will always answer what they want. Terms can sometimes be futile. Maybe you can ask in a lawyers Forum. Many more will be interested in that
EDIT: In Germany you have the Terms Gewährleistung und Garantie. It can be that the Gewährleistung will be lost because it is voluntary given to you by the vendor. But with my above mentioned Situation the Garantie will be still applicable as in aboves case, at least in Germany. But as i said I don't know for sure. This is what i read in the last weeks about this.
NOT SURE IF IT IS REALLY LIKE THAT!!!
EDIT: If you can understand German you might read this. Maybe I'll find this also in English.
EDIT: Several Laguages:
Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 May 1999 on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees
I have unlocked the bootloader and if a hardware fault occured I would ask Motorola to fix it, if they said no as my warranty is void (and refuse to fix it whatever I say) my only option is to then take to them court. Am I going to do that over a £160 phone - no Im not, I'll just buy a new phone as taking Motorola to court isnt something I fancy doing
I guess there may be other options, eg some sort of civil rights organization which helps with warranty issues which may or may not cost money, but even if its free its still going to cost a lot of my time.
I think if you unlock the bootloader you really want to acknowledge that the chances are that Motorola wont be fixing your phone, whether thats lawfully right or wrong may not be worth your time and money arguing over.
Personally I wouldnt blame Motorola for telling me that made my choice and now to live with it.
What I do think is a shame is that they dont officially release the stock images of the moto g as they do with their dev editions of some phones. After all that may remove a lot of support calls they get (and then refuse) from people that have screwed up their moto g's by unlocking and rooting etc.
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I have unlocked the bootloader and if a hardware fault occured I would ask Motorola to fix it, if they said no as my warranty is void (and refuse to fix it whatever I say) my only option is to then take to them court. Am I going to do that over a £160 phone - no Im not, I'll just buy a new phone as taking Motorola to court isnt something I fancy doing
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Did you buy the phone from Motorola directly? Probably no.
Amazon, Tesco, Phones4you etc...
The warranty contract which is provided by EU law is not between you and the manufacturer (Motorola), but between you and the seller.
So if you have a hardware fault, you send/take the phone back to the seller. It's true that If they don't replace it right away, they'll probably send it to Motorola for repair anyways, and Motorola can say that your warranty is void.
But in this article this article they say:
"In case the seller refuses your right to repair or replace the device, you can sue him in a civil litigation and can report the incident to the national authority. In many European countries such action does not even require hiring a lawyer and is most of the time ensured by consumers associations."
Thanks for the info, its obvious to me now that I'd go to phones4u - just as I would return any faulty appliance to the seller. It would be interesting to see what happened if I ever had to do that, but i hope I don't have to.
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can we install cwm by this method ( http://motorola-g.blogspot.in/2013/12/how-to-install-cwmtwrp-custom-recovery.html?m=1 )without unlocking? if possible we can install pre rooted roms by cwm. am a noobie... guide me pls
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can we install cwm by this method ( http://motorola-g.blogspot.in/2013/12/how-to-install-cwmtwrp-custom-recovery.html?m=1 )without unlocking? if possible we can install pre rooted roms by cwm. am a noobie... guide me pls
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You can't. Atm it's not possible root moto g without unlock bl. There are not other ways for now.
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You can't. Atm it's not possible root moto g without unlock bl. There are not other ways for now.
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cwm?
balajiasmartguy said:
cwm?
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Without unlock bootloader you can not boot or flash a custom recovery on moto g. It is not possible in our case. Again.
y its not possible... in recovery it has a option to install update from SD card... with this can't we install cwm? correct me if I am wrong...
For root on g you need:
unlock bootloader,
custom recovery.
If you don't unlock bootloader forget root.
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For root on g you need:
unlock bootloader,
custom recovery.
If you don't unlock bootloader forget root.
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am sorry for disturbing you. am not asking about root. can I install cwm directly without unlocking... using install update from SD card option in stock recovery...
balajiasmartguy said:
am sorry for disturbing you. am not asking about root. can I install cwm directly without unlocking... using install update from SD card option in stock recovery...
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No
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I am completely clueless of what bootloader is and after some googling, I think that it's the locking of a phone's network to a specific company like verizon, at&t etc. But, here in India, we don't have such contracts, so do I need to unlock bootloader before rooting my phone? I previously had galaxy ace and there was no mention of bootloader even when I installed all sorts of custom roms.
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I am completely clueless of what bootloader is and after some googling, I think that it's the locking of a phone's network to a specific company like verizon, at&t etc. But, here in India, we don't have such contracts, so do I need to unlock bootloader before rooting my phone? I previously had galaxy ace and there was no mention of bootloader even when I installed all sorts of custom roms.
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you just won't get root if your bootloader is locked
Unlock it for root, CWM, ROMs , etc
No, a bootloader doesn't do what you assumed, it just restricts your devices from any alteration by giving you limited access. Region locked or carrier lock is a different thing.
Thanks all, one more thing, if I unlock bootloader then can I get my warranty back?
nitish159 said:
Thanks all, one more thing, if I unlock bootloader then can I get my warranty back?
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NO, you won't. When you apply for the code on Motorola site you lose your warranty. Even if you somehow manage to trick them, Moto G will still show status code as 2 (meaning relocked) instead of 1 (locked) or 3 (unlocked). Anybody feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I would like to keep my limited Motorola warranty. So I don't want to unlock the bootloader.... I just want root for basic things. But rooting this phone seems twice as difficult than my Galaxy S5.
I've searched around and found temp root methods. But no permanent ones.
I wouldn't mind unlocking the bootloader if it could be locked again and Motorola wouldn't know.
So I could use some help/guidance.
Thanks
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I would like to keep my limited Motorola warranty. So I don't want to unlock the bootloader.... I just want root for basic things. But rooting this phone seems twice as difficult than my Galaxy S5.
I've searched around and found temp root methods. But no permanent ones.
I wouldn't mind unlocking the bootloader if it could be locked again and Motorola wouldn't know.
So I could use some help/guidance.
Thanks
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Sorry bro, when you wish to unlock the boot loader, you send your device id to Motorola, so even if you relock the bootloader, they'll still have it in their records....
To get permanent root, the only current method is through unlocking the bootloader to be allowed to flash root.
Cheers
I used to worry about warranty too.
Now I just don't care anymore, and I've never regretted unlocking, on some 25+ test devices now.
If the device was returned to a store, I don't think they'll check Moto's database.
If I was worried about a bootup warning, and I didn't feel there were any moral issues (device is broken already anyway), I would just brick the phone. They can recover from that at the service centre anyway.
I DID return a phone to a store once which would not boot at all. They FREAKED out because they said they needed to boot it to see a number. Maybe they were just looking for tamper evidence, I don't know.
Anyway, that's 40 minutes of my life (plus the drive) I'll never get back, because they could not follow the normal return procedures.
And in the end they had to accept the return of course. You'd think they must have had SOME returns of completely dead phones before...
Just got mine today and it looks like the value is NO even I have allowed OEM unlock in developer options. A quick search showed if the value is no, you will never be able to unlock.
A very bad news for me. A few questions:
1. is that really not possible to unlock it? Who shall I contact? Sony or Carrier?
2. Can I root with locked Bootloader? And flash TWRP and ROMs?
Thanks
Kan
No, there is no way to root or unlock your bootloader if it reads 'No' on 'bootloader unlock allowed?'
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Just got mine today and it looks like the value is NO even I have allowed OEM unlock in developer options. A quick search showed if the value is no, you will never be able to unlock.
A very bad news for me. A few questions:
1. is that really not possible to unlock it? Who shall I contact? Sony or Carrier?
2. Can I root with locked Bootloader? And flash TWRP and ROMs?
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Kan
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I would RMA the device if it's not unlockable.
Unless u don't want to modify anything ever.
Did u got it branded from your network provider?
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I would RMA the device if it's not unlockable.
Unless u don't want to modify anything ever.
Did u got it branded from your network provider?
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RMA means what, return? I got this from an individual, no way to return but to resell.
The carrier is Bell, a Canadian carrier. I don't see their logo on the phone.
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No, there is no way to root or unlock your bootloader if it reads 'No' on 'bootloader unlock allowed?'
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I had lots of devices before. Most of them allow root with unlock bootloader. Sony is an exception?
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I had lots of devices before. Most of them allow root with unlock bootloader. Sony is an exception?
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Yes it is.
On older Z series it was possible to root on stock kernel and therefore Unlocking bootloader wasn't required for rooting.
Since Z5, they implement Sony RIC and DM-VERITY, which prevents modification to system and therefore root.
To root, we need a kernel supporting root inside the boot image.
We can't flash any kernel other than stock (signed by Sony) on locked bootloader.
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RMA means what, return? I got this from an individual, no way to return but to resell.
The carrier is Bell, a Canadian carrier. I don't see their logo on the phone.
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That's a bumm.
RMA means sending phone back and receive the money in return.
Did the seller told u it's carrierlocked phone?
Mostly on carrier locked phones there's no sticker or logo from the carrier visible on the outside.
U can try to contact Bell and explain them what's the problem. In some cases a carrier can unlock it for u. (they might charge a little fee for it)
Good luck!
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RMA means what, return? I got this from an individual, no way to return but to resell.
The carrier is Bell, a Canadian carrier. I don't see their logo on the phone.
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If you've got the Bell Z5 then you're in the same boat as myself. No way to unlock the bootloader, thus no way to root, meaning I can have ZERO fun with this device. I even paid Bell for a SIM Unlock thinking it might trigger the bootloader unlock option to change to 'Yes' Allowed, but no such luck.
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If you've got the Bell Z5 then you're in the same boat as myself. No way to unlock the bootloader, thus no way to root, meaning I can have ZERO fun with this device. I even paid Bell for a SIM Unlock thinking it might trigger the bootloader unlock option to change to 'Yes' Allowed, but no such luck.
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So I guess you have contacted Bell for unlocking it but no success? Even we would like to pay a fee for it?
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Yes it is.
On older Z series it was possible to root on stock kernel and therefore Unlocking bootloader wasn't required for rooting.
Since Z5, they implement Sony RIC and DM-VERITY, which prevents modification to system and therefore root.
To root, we need a kernel supporting root inside the boot image.
We can't flash any kernel other than stock (signed by Sony) on locked bootloader.
That's a bumm.
RMA means sending phone back and receive the money in return.
Did the seller told u it's carrierlocked phone?
Mostly on carrier locked phones there's no sticker or logo from the carrier visible on the outside.
U can try to contact Bell and explain them what's the problem. In some cases a carrier can unlock it for u. (they might charge a little fee for it)
Good luck!
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Thanks for sharing with me. You are very knowledgeable. I bought from a guy who bought from Bell. I doubt Bell will actually support my request. I will try to use it for a bit and resell if I cannot live without root. I have been using root devices since HTC G1.
All phones from carriers usually have locked bootloaders, except for nexus devices. This is why you never buy from a carrier if you want custom roms.
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Thanks for sharing with me. You are very knowledgeable. I bought from a guy who bought from Bell. I doubt Bell will actually support my request. I will try to use it for a bit and resell if I cannot live without root. I have been using root devices since HTC G1.
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It's worth trying, just see how they react
I got pretty used to root too, since my first Android a galaxy S i9000 lol
Though, when I bought this phone (my second Sony) I decided to use it without root too and in the beginning it was a bit of a struggle but later I didn't miss it at all.
I only unlocked my bootloader after a few months, just to use another kernel.
You can disable most (if not all) bloatware via settings.
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It's worth trying, just see how they react
I got pretty used to root too, since my first Android a galaxy S i9000 lol
Though, when I bought this phone (my second Sony) I decided to use it without root too and in the beginning it was a bit of a struggle but later I didn't miss it at all.
I only unlocked my bootloader after a few months, just to use another kernel.
You can disable most (if not all) bloatware via settings.
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I think Android 6 did a good job controlling app permissions. But thats the thing as you mentioned, you cannot try variety of optimizations from community. sigh.
My boootloader unlock status is also NO.
Is there anyway to flash Androplus kernel with own recovery via fastboot flashtool to get recovery and than trough him install super su zip and with that way root Z5?
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My boootloader unlock status is also NO.
Is there anyway to flash Androplus kernel with own recovery via fastboot flashtool to get recovery and than trough him install super su zip and with that way root Z5?
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If this or anything simmilar possible?
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If this or anything simmilar possible?
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Unfortunately not only way is change the device to one that says Bootloader unlock allowed YES the only carrier/network I know of that supply devices with unlockable Bootloaders for all there handsets whether payg or contract is three UK+Ireland as they only supply devices that are sim free network unlocked devices like what you would get from Sony store one of the main reasons I'm with them