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Hi, I just got my Nexus S, this is my first Android device, I've been an iPhone user for the last 3 years.
So my question is:
should I root it right now?
or should I just play with stock Android for a while?
if root: what should I install/do with it?
Thanks.
wilee1928 said:
Hi, I just got my Nexus S, this is my first Android device, I've been an iPhone user for the last 3 years.
So my question is:
should I root it right now?
or should I just play with stock Android for a while?
if root: what should I install/do with it?
Thanks.
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Well, there is no reason not to root it. If you root you can do whatever you want. I suggest you check out the different apps, roms, kernels, or mods you can get because there are far too many choices and different kinds of things you can do with root for anyone to tell you what or how should you use it.
kenvan19 said:
Well, there is no reason not to root it. If you root you can do whatever you want. I suggest you check out the different apps, roms, kernels, or mods you can get because there are far too many choices and different kinds of things you can do with root for anyone to tell you what or how should you use it.
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i forgot another thing.
if i root it, is there a way to "unroot" it? just in case there is something wrong with the phone and needs repair (warranty).
wilee1928 said:
i forgot another thing.
if i root it, is there a way to "unroot" it? just in case there is something wrong with the phone and needs repair (warranty).
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Making it seem untainted is as easy as flashing a stock rom and relocking the bootloader.
Always yes.
root.
I might suggest playing with the stock android for a bit first since this is your first android device. That way you can get acquainted and get a feel of what you want or expect from a custom rom or applications that require root.
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Look around and see if of interest you then root.
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Rooting gives you access to some incredibly powerful and useful applications that many of us can't live without.
There's really no reason not to root. It's stupid simple to do, and easily reversed with a few terminal commands to delete the su binary, busybox and its symlinks and the superuser.apk. I don't believe it's even an issue with warranty service. Google's endorsed rooting and hacking the phone (thanks kevnan for shoving that one down my throat again last night), and part of why they made it so easy to do.
Until recently, if you wanted to root, it was really a bad idea not to do it right away because the earlier methods (still) have you doing the fastboot oem unlock command, which will WIPE EVERYTHING on your phone, including all the stuff on your /sdcard (pictures, music, etc), and all your apps' data (like Angry Birds scores) that can't be backed up without root.
We've recently found a method that doesn't require you to wipe the phone, and is just as effective as the earlier methods (really all we're doing is skipping that oem unlock step), so it's not as time critical to root right away as it used to be.
Good luck with the phone; it's fantastic, even on stock ROMs (my choice to use), despite a few annoying quirks!
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I am a new member on xda, however i have read posts and forums to resolve issues with my gt-p1000n. I now own a Motorola Razr (XT910), on 2.3.5 rooted. I want to play the new 9 innings from Com2us and Inotia4. As you may all know this is not possible if your device is rooted. I have played them both on my wifes SGS2 with shell root, and sure enough...they run perfectly fine. My phone is full in root, is there any way around this? Someone please help!!!!
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I am a new member on xda, however i have read posts and forums to resolve issues with my gt-p1000n. I now own a Motorola Razr (XT910), on 2.3.5 rooted. I want to play the new 9 innings from Com2us and Inotia4. As you may all know this is not possible if your device is rooted. I have played them both on my wifes SGS2 with shell root, and sure enough...they run perfectly fine. My phone is full in root, is there any way around this? Someone please help!!!!
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did you use a one click root? if so most of them can unroot, so you could just unroot for a bit to get your gaming on.
Good to know, I'm new to XDA and hacking my devices. I had know idea that some games or apps wouldn't work on rooted devices. Now I know
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I actually did...i used super one click. Yeah it's fast once you've attained the Motorola drivers for your device. I was looking for a work around with much less hassle. In my opinion the Motorola Razr beats Samsungs Galaxy I & II in performance and video/audio quality (haven't compared against an SIII yet). Only if the Motorola Razr is rooted though. Motorola has so much more bloatware compared to Samsung, so battery life is just terrible on such an amazing device. I do appreciate the reply though, thanks! Way to make a new member feel welcomed. Looking for a full on work around, that won't require me to temoprarily unroot then reroot. Thanks though @ loosedupon!
Yup, there are quite a few actually. Don't let that stop you from rooting though, i don't know how to flash and **** like that. Personally, I'd prefer not to though. Due to all the different outcomes if you load the incorrect files. However, rooting my device has made me truly enjoy my devices (gt-p1000n & razr xt910). My Galaxy Tablet is one of the first batches out in the Latin American versions (the original 7in. with a ****ty 400 ram availability). I played Blood Brothers and Quest and Sorcery on it with little to no lags or hangs opposed to my razr. @wannahit
Try Voodoo OTA rootkeeper. It will protect root, but also allow you to temporarily unroot with the " push of a button" I use it for google movies. Works good.
Thanks chrism.brunner! I will try that. I actually tried Hide My Root, it worked. For that to work, you must set a password first. That password is needed to hide/uninstall the su apk, and su binary. I was super baked when i set mine! About 45 minutes later tried to restore my binary files. I forgot the ****ing password, [email protected]! What upset me was, there was no recovery process to have my password reset. I had to re-root my device. I will give OTA a try though. Thanks!
Just so you know, OTA Rootkeeper's latest version will not save an SU binary in /system/xbin.
So when you re-root your device, you will have to go into /system/bin and scroll down and copy SU. Then go into /system/xbin and paste it in there and set your permissions. Not having it in xbin sometimes causes some Root applications to not run.
I've use OTA on my Transformer for 6 updates now and restored each and every time. Granted that is for a Asus product. If worse come to worse, you could always just SBF back to stock using RSDlite (I'm an ex-Motorola user btw).
Thanks for the help! @ Woodrube
I actually just finished using OTA Rootkeeper. It restored my su back up fine. I tested it on 9 innings 2013, and i still ended up with the same results. I also tried the temp. unroot and ota survival options on superuser. Same as OTA Rootkeeper, i do intend on keeping the app for further uses. Hopefully i won't get the same result as 9 innings!
I am a better hands on learner than a read and study. I am also not ashamed of my ignorance. With that being said, what the f*ck is a SBF and RSDlite?
No need to be ashamed. Every one of us was new at one time.
An sbf file, is the Motorola file for reflashing the stock operating system to the phone. It returns the phone to the way it was brand new.
Rsd lite is the program used to flash the sbf file. It is installed to your computer, and and " installs" the software on your phone. It can be dangerous if you flash previous versions of android. Many have bricked their devices with this.
Once again, thanks! I was completely lost with Woodrube's reply. I am also fully aware of the possibilities of bricking while flashing. So flashing is something I refuse as a resolve. So all of that are things I won't attempt, to simply avoid that from occurring.
How about if I uninstalled root and replaced it with shell root. My wife has a GT-i9100 on 4.0.3, with shell root...I know the pro and con of shell root vs root. Surprisingly, she hasn't lost her root access! However, with shell root your device only has temporary root access. Will I still be able to grant su access, for apps such as lucky patcher, TB, and the many other apps used to tweak performance and settings?
Man this is burning out my mind!!!! Maybe, I'll just give it a try...won't know until I try right? On SuperOneClick, which exploit should I use though? Should I use motofail, zergrush, or gingerbreak? I am currently running 2.3.5 (on a Razr XT910, of course) which is a gingerbread, if I am correct. I used zergRush on my GT-P1000N running 2.3.4 which I'm assuming is a gingerbread too.
Also, what are ideal min. - max. values for over/underclocking my device? Where I won't sacrifice too much performance for battery life.
I used the automatic script for unlocking the bootloader, rooting, and installing cwm. I used unlock_ version 4.2.
As to overclocking, I don't anymore. The phone I am using now is a new one from Motorola to replace the one with constant reboots. I am told it was a hardware issue, but I'm not sure of it wasn't related to constant changing kernels and overclocking. I am actually satisfied with the atrix on the stock kernel and clock speed.
I haven't used the root that you are talking about, but it might be an option. Try it on your wifes phone, if you can.
Let me know, if you will. I'm interested now.
As to sbf files, no need to worry about it. I have found it to be totally safe. If you Need to get back to stock, it works. I have done it many times. Just flash the same or newer version.
Superuser
Could this not be worked around by denying root access to the game using superuser?
thanks, thanks! i bricked my xt910 changing the boot logo. at least i know not to change that from now on.
What app were you using to change the boot logo?
Rom Manager Pro....and no you can't work around by denying root access. The games are granted permission to see all apps running in background. I have tried denying such permissions with Permission Denied, whatever the name is. All it did was automatically close the game. Didn't even launch at all, immediately closed.
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I am in big dilemma; either to root my tab or not.
There is no bloatware to remove and I dont want to play with it with custom roms like I do in my phone.
But I want to install different launcher which need su power to fix widgets.
So should I root it or not I am soooo much confused.
Sorry I can't answer that for you. I was about to ask the same question but in a slightly different form. This is my first tab ( a tab isn't worth getting if it doesn't have an active digitizer ), and I would like to know whether or not to root. The way I see it is that it breaks down into two lists: pros and cons, which I think is also the way you want to look at it. So aside from a custom rom, what are the pros and cons of rooting your Note?
All I want is different launcher with su power. . Touch wiz is silly. Dont let me resize all widgets and eat my all space.
With out root I cant place widgets on home screen in different launcher.
bikrame said:
I am in big dilemma; either to root my tab or not.
There is no bloatware to remove and I dont want to play with it with custom roms like I do in my phone.
But I want to install different launcher which need su power to fix widgets.
So should I root it or not I am soooo much confused.
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I'm in the same dire dilemma...
Root Pros:
Many very useful apps require root to access the inner system settings
It allows to see what's behind the curtains of one's Android device (browse and see system files and settings) and (slowly) learn how does it work
Root Cons:
The device can loose its immaculate "official" status, loose the warranty and the OTA updates.
Some app (mainly apps dealing with media contents and concerned with possible copyright infringements) may stop working if they detect a rooted device, by means of the binary counter, that could anyhow be zeroed with "Triangle Away", or by the mere presence of the SuperUser (SuperSU) app.
The ideal way would be to root but, at the same time, being able to completely hide the rooted status of the device; both for Samsung warranty and Ota updates and for those apps that stop working if they "sniff" a rooted device... but I think that's not possible yet...
I find rooting a device also plugs a lot of security exploits too...
If you're able to, taking back to stock is fairly easy but that can be a BIG if sometimes....
Overall I find having root is a big "+". It allows me touse my device how I want and plugs those holes left by Google/Samsung in their OS.
Each person should evaluate if they need to or not but I find it a lot better to root simply for peace of mind... at least if I get a virus that destroys my tab , I'm the one who gave it root access... The blame is mine other than the tab dies mysteriously one day..
Rooting was super simple with the exynos exploit apk, if you didn't update. I rooted using that apk, then used the same developer's MobileOdin app to update while keeping root. For me, I'd say that rooting is very useful on this tablet because you can also enable multiwindow for every single app, something you won't have without rooting..
asdfuogh said:
For me, I'd say that rooting is very useful on this tablet because you can also enable multiwindow for every single app, something you won't have without rooting..
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I thought you got that with JB?
JB only have a few apps added to have multiwindows then ICS...but if you root you can use multiwindow manager to add multiwindows ability to all apps.
Also adds the ability to freeze unwanted apps, backup OS in case of bad things happening (settings, OS and user data) and to truly set things up as you, the owner and user, want...
Allows 3rd party tracking apps like cerberus to track and remotely wipe sensitive data in case tablet goes missing not to mention turn on GPS to track and get pics of person using it.
In my view worth it for Titanium Backup Pro and Nandroid backup .
Warranty void easy enough to put that right .
OTA updates don't work not a problem this is after all XDA .
jje
I don't see the confusion on your part. It's a simple decision imo. You want an ability to do something that can only be done with root. Just because you root, doesn't mean you have to customize in any other way.
As far as OTA's go that should be a non–issue as well since they are mostly a joke as far as improvement in any significant way. Everything they have is readily available here on XDA and more often than not sooner.
bikrame said:
All I want is different launcher with su power. . Touch wiz is silly. Dont let me resize all widgets and eat my all space.
With out root I cant place widgets on home screen in different launcher.
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Forgive me if I haven't totally understood what you want.....but you can install any launcher you want without rooting. I have Go Launcher, it allows me to resize Widgets etc.
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Markhypnosis said:
Forgive me if I haven't totally understood what you want.....but you can install any launcher you want without rooting. I have Go Launcher, it allows me to resize Widgets etc.
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Yeah. Do u really need root just to change launcher?
Unless u need it for other reason, I don't think root is needed just for changing the launcher.
But if u want root access, then yes, ur device need to be rooted.
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Yup I got that guys. Thank you.
I tried long time ago and it didnt work. Now it does
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sphere314 said:
...The ideal way would be to root but, at the same time, being able to completely hide the rooted status of the device; both for Samsung warranty and Ota updates and for those apps that stop working if they "sniff" a rooted device... but I think that's not possible yet...
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A new possible solution for some Samsung devices is here.
I haven't tried it yet, but, according to the thread posts it seems that:
it can preserve the official status and the binary counter
there's an "unroot" option, so that, if some apps sniffs the rooted status and stops working, you can temporarily unroot and have it work again
If anyone has actually tried it on the GNote 10.1, his comments will be appreciated.
Backup apps and data without root
JJEgan said:
In my view worth it for Titanium Backup Pro and Nandroid backup .
Warranty void easy enough to put that right .
OTA updates don't work not a problem this is after all XDA .
jje
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You all know that there is a new backup program that does not need root to backup apps and app data.
Its called "Carbon - App Sync and Backup" by ClockworkMod
Here is the link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup
It works great.
sphere314 said:
A new possible solution for some Samsung devices is here.
I haven't tried it yet, but, according to the thread posts it seems that:
it can preserve the official status and the binary counter
there's an "unroot" option, so that, if some apps sniffs the rooted status and stops working, you can temporarily unroot and have it work again
If anyone has actually tried it on the GNote 10.1, his comments will be appreciated.
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kkretch said:
You all know that there is a new backup program that does not need root to backup apps and app data.
Its called "Carbon - App Sync and Backup" by ClockworkMod
Here is the link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.koushikdutta.backup
It works great.
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I've tried them both and I'm really satisfied with the results.
1) before trying the Framaroot app I used Carbon backup to make a full backup of all my apps data (without root).
2) after that, being confident enough I could restore back my tablet apps data (in case something went wrong), I used the Framaroot app to get root.
Result:
1) I could backup my app's data before rooting
2) With Framaroot I have now root access. Anyway, the most important thing is that my device status has remained "Official" (1) and the binary counter is "unchanged" as well!
I wouldn't ever think that it was possible to root a device without having to change the recovery and, by doing so, change the device status/binary counter.
Now I know it's possible
(1) EDIT feb-17-2013
Update: the device status is now "Custom". Yet, after the rooting, I checked and rebooted more than one time. There must be some Android service that checks the presence of root periodically and finds out, sooner or later, if the device is rooted
sphere314 said:
I've tried them both and I'm really satisfied with the results.
1) before trying the Framaroot app I used Carbon backup to make a full backup of all my apps data (without root).
2) after that, being confident enough I could restore back my tablet apps data (in case something went wrong), I used the Framaroot app to get root.
Result:
1) I could backup my app's data before rooting
2) With Framaroot I have now root access. Anyway, et hemost important thing is that my device status has remained "Official" and the binary counter is "unchanged" as well!
I wouldn't ever think that it was possible to root a device without having to change the recovery and, by doing so, change the device status/binary counter.
Now I know it's possible
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Thank you for the info on framaroot. I read the thread you had linked earlier and decided to try it out on my old Archos 101 gen 8 (since the developer indicated he was able to root this device with framaroot) before attempting to install it on my note. Needless to say, it didn't work on the Archos (tried it twice) and I ended up having to reformat both times because the tablet got stuck in a boot loop. Was installation really that smooth on your note and can you confirm that you're running JB 4.1.2 not 4.1.1 (saw your post in the framaroot thread).
mke1973 said:
Thank you for the info on framaroot. I read the thread you had linked earlier and decided to try it out on my old Archos 101 gen 8 (since the developer indicated he was able to root this device with framaroot) before attempting to install it on my note. Needless to say, it didn't work on the Archos (tried it twice) and I ended up having to reformat both times because the tablet got stuck in a boot loop. Was installation really that smooth on your note and can you confirm that you're running JB 4.1.2 not 4.1.1 (saw your post in the framaroot thread).
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As I said in the other thread I'm not 100% sure about JB 4.1.1 or 4.1.2.
All I'm sure of is that the firmware code is N8000XXCLL3-N8000ITVCLL1
According to Sammobile it is 4.1.1 but according to Samsung-updates it is 4.1.2. In the tablet, in the "Settings - About device" page the Android version reported is 4.1.2.
Since I'm now rooted maybe I could find out the real Android version (beneath Samsung's touchwiz) by having a quick look at some of the system file... if anyone could tell me where to look .
Anyway I can confirm that my rooting process was really smooth, that it took less than a minute and that my Note's Status has stayed "Official". (1)
Probably I was just lucky or the firmware I had on the GNote 10.1 is one of those with which Framaroot works ok.
(1) EDIT feb-17-2013
Update: the device status is now "Custom". Yet, after the rooting, I checked and rebooted more than one time. There must be some Android service that checks the presence of root periodically and finds out, sooner or later, if the device is rooted
sphere314 said:
As I said in the other thread I'm not 100% sure about JB 4.1.1 or 4.1.2.
All I'm sure of is that the firmware code is N8000XXCLL3-N8000ITVCLL1
According to Sammobile it is 4.1.1 but according to Samsung-updates it is 4.1.2. In the tablet, in the "Settings - About device" page the Android version reported is 4.1.2.
Since I'm now rooted maybe I could find out the real Android version (beneath Samsung's touchwiz) by having a quick look at some of the system file... if anyone could tell me where to look .
Anyway I can confirm that my rooting process was really smooth, that it took less than a minute and that my Note's Status has stayed "Official".
Probably I was just lucky or the firmware I had on the GNote 10.1 is one of those with which Framaroot works ok.
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Thank you. I may wait to see if other note users with JB 4.1.2 report success with Framaroot before I try it on my note since I had issues with a device that the developer had been able to root with his program. Even though I've backed up with Carbon, I don't care to deal with my note stuck in a virtual boot loop. I appreciate you pointing out Framaroot I hadn't seen the thread on it.
Since Lollipop was finally released for Verizon Moto G prepaid. I am wondering if it is now more possible to root and unlock the bootloader without paying anything. Lots of people got the phone black Friday last year and wants to root it since it was a cheap phone to get. So lots of people are hoping for a new method for it. Please reply if there is any new info, methods, or anything. Thx
I'm holding off on upgrading in case I get a way to get root on 444, but the nag screen for updating is getting on my nerves so bad I may take it just to make it stop...
I have some very specific reasons for wanting to keep this phone, if only I could get root, then sunshine it, then get a custom 5.1 rom... Ah the dream
I updated my phone to 5.1 on Tuesday (when it came out) and I was wondering the same thing too. I hope someone can find a way to do it
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I'm holding off on upgrading in case I get a way to get root on 444, but the nag screen for updating is getting on my nerves so bad I may take it just to make it stop...
I have some very specific reasons for wanting to keep this phone, if only I could get root, then sunshine it, then get a custom 5.1 rom... Ah the dream
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Did you try temp root with Kingoroot? Supposedly it works on 4.4.4 and apparently not on 5.1... once you have temp root then onto Sunshine and once your bootloader is unlocked you can even take the 5.1 OTA or for that matter any ROM
dovw said:
Did you try temp root with Kingoroot? Supposedly it works on 4.4.4 and apparently not on 5.1... once you have temp root then onto Sunshine and once your bootloader is unlocked you can even take the 5.1 OTA or for that matter any ROM
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Kingroot has varying degree's of success for me, but the one constant for me is that my temp root has never once lasted long enough for sunshine's purposes. The tests simply take too long, and my root is gone before it reaches a conclusive point.
About all its good for in my case is to backup some files, or tweak a few other quick settings that can be done in less then a minute
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Kingroot has varying degree's of success for me, but the one constant for me is that my temp root has never once lasted long enough for sunshine's purposes. The tests simply take too long, and my root is gone before it reaches a conclusive point.
About all its good for in my case is to backup some files, or tweak a few other quick settings that can be done in less then a minute
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I hear you... so if there is currently no root for 4.4.4 and we don't know of anyone working on a root I am not sure what there is to wait for...
Because if I do upgrade, I can't downgrade. And knowing my luck as soon as I get 5.1 a 444 root will come out. Another issue is I'm worried about storage consumption when it moves from dalvik to art runtime. It's my experience that using 5.1s ART system will increase all file sizes across the board, I'm already strapped for space.
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DaxxTrias said:
I'm holding off on upgrading in case I get a way to get root on 444, but the nag screen for updating is getting on my nerves so bad I may take it just to make it stop...
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Don't make the rookie mistake !!! It's really trivial to block the nagging upgrade screens. You'll have to use adb from your PC and run something like Debloater ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294 ). Then find a program named com.motorola.ccc.ota on XT1028, and block it.
I am still hoping that one day we'll get full RW root with 4.4.4 (for free ).
Good point, didn't think to try this. Also I'm holding out hope for that chrome for Android exploit that was revealed in Tokyo last week at PacSec. When last I checked no details yet, but no patch by Google yet either.
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I am still waiting to see if there is a way to unlock/root Verizon Moto G Lollipop (XT1028). Any luck?
tired of this phone
I'm sorry to say it but I think that it's a lost cause and its a shame its a great phone and it was a learning experience for me. I'll never buy a prepaid phone from Verizon again I'm moving on to the newest moto g. From what I've been hearing MOTOs are going to be phased out eventually by lenovo so I think it's best to upgrade before its too late. Its just my opinion but I think it's a foolish move on their part cause the moto series is one of the best out there for the price I've had Samsung, HTC,and a few other brands that aren't even worth mentioning (zte/kyocera/BlackBerry/I phone) and Motorola is the best value by far the only downside is the locked bootloaders it's a shame no one is working on the xt 1028 it was a great little phone
Kingroot 4.8 works. But only temporary root. and sometimes later everything crashes
System cant be writable, still
I still have my xt1028 and keep hoping people will report root. I've intentionally avoided upgrading it to 5.1 hoping I can get root 1 way or the other
My phone I bought to replace this one (VS880, LG G Vista for Verizon) was able to be rooted, its a crying shame this one still cant be rooted.
I was about to root it after installing busy box (no root) and then running the king-root app a few times after that i was able to root it but only a temp root, however having the temp root i was about to uninstall some of the unnecessary system apps but i would like to have a full root on this phone and a custom ROM i know it is possible because i have been searching the internet for years looking for a way to root it and i have found custom roms and recoverys for it so its possible to root we just need to find how because how and why would custom roms and recoverys be made for this phone if you can't flash then so there has to be something out there that can help.
I'm so sad of hearing this, I just got this phone ( xt1028 ) as a gift two days ago and I was quick to figured out it needs to be rooted because it don't have SD slot so all the verizon crapp can be removed, this news just upset me.
New update??
I upgraded to 5.1 and notice there is an update pending. Anyone know what they are patching? I doubt they would push out another update for this phone unless something is vulnerable.
I guess if obtaining root was possible, someone would have done it by now. I would've liked to install a Marshmallow ROM, but 5.1 works great, so that's something.
Why
I'm always do what ever you said but I didn't find anything I have search
Hi,
I know this is a NooB question, I know HOW to root my S4, and have a RIFF box, but I need an honest opinion.
I just bought a new mobo to replace my old one with the dead eMMC. It came with Android 4.3, Knox, and firmware version M919UVUEMK2. T-Mobile is offering me an OTA update to M919UVSFQA1 every 24 hours. I want to root my device, simply so they cannot take that ability away from me. I'm too busy really to develop my own apps now, but I don't think it's fair to tell me how I can and can't use MY phone.
If I accept the update, from what I read, it's most likely I will be able to root it, using CF Auto Root, but RegionLockAway (my phone is already unlocked from T-Mobile giving me the code - do I still need this?) may not work. Is M919UVSFQA1 still rootable? I know it will trip the KNOX bit, that's OK. If I root my M919UVUEMK2 the way it is, will it trip the KNOX bit?
Also, what are these "Security Policy Updates" offered by Google they are asking me to accept? Security policy for malware, or security policy against me?
I guess I want my cake and eat it too. I want the stability and security against malware, and the latest baseband, but I don't a security update against myself. If I root my phone the way it is (M919UVUEMK2), will it trip the KNOX bit anyway?
All I am asking is, have I got anything to lose by accepting the OTA update? Will I lose rooting / bootloader options, or is my bootloader already locked on MK2, and it will still trip the KNOX bit. If so, and nothing's different, I will accept the OTA update first so my phone is the latest OFFICIAL version, then I can be sure my new rooted phone is most stable, as I doubt T-Mobile will support a rooted phone.
My S4 employs E-Fuses (a.k.a. the "Knox" bit) and once they're blown, that's it. If you want them un-blown, you need to buy a new CPU hence a new mobo. This is why I'm wary of ANY update, especially security. (Google eFuse if you're interested in the technology). eFuse was a brilliant idea from IBM, but was abused like most other technology.
Thanks,
-Rob
filter4ever said:
Hi,
I know this is a NooB question, I know HOW to root my S4, and have a RIFF box, but I need an honest opinion.
I just bought a new mobo to replace my old one with the dead eMMC. It came with Android 4.3, Knox, and firmware version M919UVUEMK2. T-Mobile is offering me an OTA update to M919UVSFQA1 every 24 hours. I want to root my device, simply so they cannot take that ability away from me. I'm too busy really to develop my own apps now, but I don't think it's fair to tell me how I can and can't use MY phone.
If I accept the update, from what I read, it's most likely I will be able to root it, using CF Auto Root, but RegionLockAway (my phone is already unlocked from T-Mobile giving me the code - do I still need this?) may not work. Is M919UVSFQA1 still rootable? I know it will trip the KNOX bit, that's OK. If I root my M919UVUEMK2 the way it is, will it trip the KNOX bit?
Also, what are these "Security Policy Updates" offered by Google they are asking me to accept? Security policy for malware, or security policy against me?
I guess I want my cake and eat it too. I want the stability and security against malware, and the latest baseband, but I don't a security update against myself. If I root my phone the way it is (M919UVUEMK2), will it trip the KNOX bit anyway?
All I am asking is, have I got anything to lose by accepting the OTA update? Will I lose rooting / bootloader options, or is my bootloader already locked on MK2, and it will still trip the KNOX bit. If so, and nothing's different, I will accept the OTA update first so my phone is the latest OFFICIAL version, then I can be sure my new rooted phone is most stable, as I doubt T-Mobile will support a rooted phone.
My S4 employs E-Fuses (a.k.a. the "Knox" bit) and once they're blown, that's it. If you want them un-blown, you need to buy a new CPU hence a new mobo. This is why I'm wary of ANY update, especially security. (Google eFuse if you're interested in the technology). eFuse was a brilliant idea from IBM, but was abused like most other technology.
Thanks,
-Rob
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There are several threads covering most of your questions or at least have answers somewhere in them in the Tmobile S4 forum if you take the time to search and read. I don't have Tmobile S4 so I don't know the details.
And it's called qfuse in Samsung devices, not e-fuse.
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Thanks
Thanks. I've had a lot of homework so I haven't had the time to search very deep. I found a Knox less NH7 update and installed it, guess I'm just going to have to wait for the OTA to become available.
qFuse
Droidriven said:
There are several threads covering most of your questions or at least have answers somewhere in them in the Tmobile S4 forum if you take the time to search and read. I don't have Tmobile S4 so I don't know the details.
And it's called qfuse in Samsung devices, not e-fuse.
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Thanks. If you're interested, I found the code that burns qfuses. Bootloader.rollback(blowFuse) at 0x00004000 (I think). Has only to do with bootloader upgrades.
Qfuse, for Qualcomm, duh. Still the same thing though. It makes me sick that they would go THAT FAR to prevent even the advanced nerds from doing with... I guess I'll say Samsung 'so phone now, I won't buy an S7 if I don't own it fully. It's the principal, I can understand if it is their network they are worried about security, but I don't see how that is an issue. if I buy it, it's mine. If I fixed it from the garbage, it's REALLY mine. Just who do they think finds these bugs and security flaws? The average user? If phones get bricked, wouldn't they want to hire someone who learned what they're doing? Using to pirate apps, OK, I can see that it not right. Running your own software and being able to repair the firmware? If I can run it over with my car and break it, I should be allowed to do anything in between.
Anyways, thats my rant about qfuses, efues, any permenent harfware changes being used this way.
filter4ever said:
Thanks. If you're interested, I found the code that burns qfuses. Bootloader.rollback(blowFuse) at 0x00004000 (I think). Has only to do with bootloader upgrades.
Qfuse, for Qualcomm, duh. Still the same thing though. It makes me sick that they would go THAT FAR to prevent even the advanced nerds from doing with... I guess I'll say Samsung 'so phone now, I won't buy an S7 if I don't own it fully. It's the principal, I can understand if it is their network they are worried about security, but I don't see how that is an issue. if I buy it, it's mine. If I fixed it from the garbage, it's REALLY mine. Just who do they think finds these bugs and security flaws? The average user? If phones get bricked, wouldn't they want to hire someone who learned what they're doing? Using to pirate apps, OK, I can see that it not right. Running your own software and being able to repair the firmware? If I can run it over with my car and break it, I should be allowed to do anything in between.
Anyways, thats my rant about qfuses, efues, any permenent harfware changes being used this way.
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I'll check out that qfuse code just for curiosity.
The main reason they work so hard to prevent even advanced users from altering the devices is because they got tired of losing money replacing devices under warranty that had been bricked, technically the warranty is voided when a device is modified but when fully bricked they can't tell that their was any attempt to modify it.
I agree, when you buy something it is yours to do with as you wish but most devices on plan aren't owned, technically they are considered mortgaged property, these devices that are advertised as free with a plan aren't free, it's being paid for in your monthly bill. This means it's just like financing a car, you have to have full collision insurance coverage to protect their investment. That is, in effect, the thing that gives Samsung or your carrier the right to do what they've done to protect their investment.
It would be a logistical nightmare if they had it so that people that actually own the devices didn't have to worry about qfuse but at the same time have it so that customers still paying for the device do have to worry about qfuse, so they just have them all like that across the board.
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It's in the partition "SBL3" at offset 0x31160. I have a dump of my phone if interested, but I would like to remove specifics (make sure I'm not signed in, did factory wipe, imei, etc)
{
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"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
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It appears to be C code (compiled possibly encrypted) before or after the file name. Please don't let this fall into the wrong hands :0
I bought an app, "MobileODIN", that seemed a bit iffy, but I thought I'd give it a try. T-Mobile has the OTA update, they want me to use Kies (yeah, right) so I am using that stupid RapidGator thing (oh well, at least they dont ask for my credit card, I mean, WTF?, who would do such a thing)? Anyways, EverRoot - Part of the PRO version I bought as I wanted to try Loli but KitKat is the latest. T-Mo just released M919UVSFQA1 on 2/8, if I can do things like EverRoot, do you think it would successfully castrate that code? Even if it can preserve root, if I lost it, I may not be able to get it back. Right now I'm running the M919UVUFNH7 Stock Rooted, Permissive NH7, and NH7 non-hlos and it works good. Read a couple posts on mobile ODIN and it did say it would root firmware, keeping it from being lost, BUT - not a full stock image (which possibly has boot.img - just what that nasty little firebug code is looking for in SBL3). I will post in mobile ODIN, but have you heard of an unlocked boot.img, one that doesn't have this nasty little line of code?
Just took upgrade.
Well i just flashed the ota with odin and even with supersu pro 2.79 runing survival mode it took root from me. Now. I know this may be a shot in the dark here but what about doing something similar of the i337 and flashing a previous kernal rooting locking in survival and then reflashing kernal? I have thr ota file saved on my laptop if you would need it to break it down and see what is possible. I will toy around with it as i have time to. Having 4 youngins gets a little difficult to have a whole lot of time to invest myself to most of this stuff anymore. Eventually it will work right? Lol GL And let me know if we want to give this a shot or not
xXxCyanidexXx
Been playing around the with the new upgrade trying to find some sort of root method for it. I was able to run king root and got it to suscessfully get root access, after running it like 4 or 5 times in a row. However I didn't really care much for king root itself. Just the extra unnecessary garbage it has. So I tried to swap root management over to super su.... so far i have not had any luck with that part yet.... ain't giving up on it though, so as soon as I find something successfully able to get root aside from kingroot I will let you guys know.
xXxCyanide87xXx said:
Been playing around the with the new upgrade trying to find some sort of root method for it. I was able to run king root and got it to suscessfully get root access, after running it like 4 or 5 times in a row. However I didn't really care much for king root itself. Just the extra unnecessary garbage it has. So I tried to swap root management over to super su.... so far i have not had any luck with that part yet.... ain't giving up on it though, so as soon as I find something successfully able to get root aside from kingroot I will let you guys know.
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Did you try the Supersume app? Did you try normal SuperSU or did you try systemless SuperSU?
Just make sure you get rid of everything else that came along with Kingroot, it's malware.
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Switched around some...
Well I got tired of the king root app really didnt want to do the bloat removal so I switched to kingo root which so far seems to be doing OK. Still no luck on SuperSu. I tried just normal SuperSu & SuperSu Pro.. also tried 2 different apk fIles for SuperSu Me one just kept saying License Verified (no app just black screen flash then that) the other one loaded the actual app and when I clicked the blue bubble thing it said please wait whIle environment is loaded & load bar went maybe 1/20 of the way then just sets there going no further. Going to mess with it some more here later on. Have a little St. Patrick's day baby girl to prepair a 1st birthday party for. I'll keep you posted when I find out more.
xXxCyanide87xXx said:
Well I got tired of the king root app really didnt want to do the bloat removal so I switched to kingo root which so far seems to be doing OK. Still no luck on SuperSu. I tried just normal SuperSu & SuperSu Pro.. also tried 2 different apk fIles for SuperSu Me one just kept saying License Verified (no app just black screen flash then that) the other one loaded the actual app and when I clicked the blue bubble thing it said please wait whIle environment is loaded & load bar went maybe 1/20 of the way then just sets there going no further. Going to mess with it some more here later on. Have a little St. Patrick's day baby girl to prepair a 1st birthday party for. I'll keep you posted when I find out more.
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Ok, try SuperSU in systemless mode, it'll probably work for you. Good luck.
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Just got home gonna get twrp .tar for Odin and the systemless zip and see what I don't break lol
New firmware successfully rooted using Kingo Root to initially access root then flashing TWRP 3.1.0-0 using Mobile Odin Pro then flashed SuperSU 2.79 with TWRP after recovery was flashed. Rebooted no problems, then froze Kingo and removed it...
Yes I'm sure there a far easier way to do this but I am patting myself on the back for not screwing up the phone considering I have still yet to back anything up >. < So thanks for starting this post and giving me something to amuse myself with these past couple of days (-:
xXxCyanide87xXx said:
New firmware successfully rooted using Kingo Root to initially access root then flashing TWRP 3.1.0-0 using Mobile Odin Pro then flashed SuperSU 2.79 with TWRP after recovery was flashed. Rebooted no problems, then froze Kingo and removed it...
Yes I'm sure there a far easier way to do this but I am patting myself on the back for not screwing up the phone considering I have still yet to back anything up >. < So thanks for starting this post and giving me something to amuse myself with these past couple of days (-:
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Good to go. Actually, the method you used is about the easiest, it's commonly the go-to method if Supersume doesn't work. You did good.
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Thanks for the update!
So you flashed OTA at first, then re-rooted using KingoRoot? I used CF Auto Root, and CF RegionLockAway before upgrading to NH7, but I haven't tried this yet.
Here's the firmware for all who want to flash the old fashioned way using ODIN (not OTA or Kies).
Rapidgator Mirror: http://rapidgator.net/file/cc090b9fd3b077b9041ff1b6df3bf889
AltaFile Mirror: https://alfafile.net/file/vbGh
If these links don't work (I had a hell of a time), PM me or post below, I can send you a direct link.
Did you originally try to flash using Mobile Odin, regular Odin, or the OTA stock update? I don't know if mobile ODIN works yet - I'm not really into nightly builds yet. The only reason I bought mobile ODIN was because if it already HAS root, it can "castrate" the code like this:
I found in SBL3. My "new" mobo that came with M919UVUFMK2 (WITH knox ). Jellybean 4.3, I asked for a 4.2.2, but they didn't have any in stock. I disabled KNOX, but I think this is still in here.
Thank you for letting me know, I finally rooted the MK2 using CF Auto Root, T-Mo gave me the unlock code (since my previous mobo was already unlocked and IMEI changed), but I used CF Region Lock Away before upgrading. (Works GREAT, but not sure on the new firmware). I ended using this stock M919UVUFNH7, Non SE Enforcing (Permissive) Kernel, and NON-HLOS modem found here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...stock-base-4-4-4-nh7-rooted-deodexed-t2873695
If any of you developers make a modded version of this stock firmware QA1 (like NH7 above), let me know.
I just heard on the radio that Samsung (as well as other manufacturers) are desperately trying to improve the security of their devices, as they are paranoid of the govt getting in (like the story about their smart TVs), so I wouldn't be surprised of them (at least trying to) take rooting capability away soon.
SuperSU
xXxCyanide87xXx said:
Well I got tired of the king root app really didnt want to do the bloat removal so I switched to kingo root which so far seems to be doing OK. Still no luck on SuperSu. I tried just normal SuperSu & SuperSu Pro.. also tried 2 different apk fIles for SuperSu Me one just kept saying License Verified (no app just black screen flash then that) the other one loaded the actual app and when I clicked the blue bubble thing it said please wait whIle environment is loaded & load bar went maybe 1/20 of the way then just sets there going no further. Going to mess with it some more here later on. Have a little St. Patrick's day baby girl to prepair a 1st birthday party for. I'll keep you posted when I find out more.
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I'm a NooB but the only thing I can think of is that CF may have not updated SuperSU for this kernel version. Can you post your details ("Settings" > "More" > "About Device")? I still haven't updated, NH7 works OK.
Rooting without SuperSU is scary. I make sure to turn off "Auto MMS download" as I once thought I got an MMS virus with rooted firmware and just about had to change my shorts.
Here is a screenshot of my phones info... kernel build ect. Let me know if you need anything else. Or just need help in general with your phone.
filter4ever said:
Thanks for the update!
So you flashed OTA at first, then re-rooted using KingoRoot? I used CF Auto Root, and CF RegionLockAway before upgrading to NH7, but I haven't tried this yet.
Here's the firmware for all who want to flash the old fashioned way using ODIN (not OTA or Kies).
Rapidgator Mirror: http://rapidgator.net/file/cc090b9fd3b077b9041ff1b6df3bf889
AltaFile Mirror: https://alfafile.net/file/vbGh
If these links don't work (I had a hell of a time), PM me or post below, I can send you a direct link.
Did you originally try to flash using Mobile Odin, regular Odin, or the OTA stock update? I don't know if mobile ODIN works yet - I'm not really into nightly builds yet. The only reason I bought mobile ODIN was because if it already HAS root, it can "castrate" the code like this:
I found in SBL3. My "new" mobo that came with M919UVUFMK2 (WITH knox ). Jellybean 4.3, I asked for a 4.2.2, but they didn't have any in stock. I disabled KNOX, but I think this is still in here.
Thank you for letting me know, I finally rooted the MK2 using CF Auto Root, T-Mo gave me the unlock code (since my previous mobo was already unlocked and IMEI changed), but I used CF Region Lock Away before upgrading. (Works GREAT, but not sure on the new firmware). I ended using this stock M919UVUFNH7, Non SE Enforcing (Permissive) Kernel, and NON-HLOS modem found here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...stock-base-4-4-4-nh7-rooted-deodexed-t2873695
If any of you developers make a modded version of this stock firmware QA1 (like NH7 above), let me know.
I just heard on the radio that Samsung (as well as other manufacturers) are desperately trying to improve the security of their devices, as they are paranoid of the govt getting in (like the story about their smart TVs), so I wouldn't be surprised of them (at least trying to) take rooting capability away soon.
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Yes I flashed it first.
This is the order I did it all
1 - downloaded firmware ( rom https://samsung-firmware.org )
2 - Flashed update using Odin PC version (search forums there are links everywhere.
3- downloaded Kingo root from https://www.kingoapp.com and ran root process (may take a couple times... if it fails immediately run it again
4 - after root was successful I then downloaded Mobile Odin (lite or pro your choice. I used Mobile Odin Pro. Check forums for links to download.
5- Download Twrp 3.1.0-0 follow
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ne...recovery-twrp-2-8-7-0-touch-recovery-t3234976 follow steps to retrieve .tar file. MAKE SURE IT IS CORRECT FILE FOR INSTALLATION.
Don't flash yet
6- down load SuperSu 2.79 SR3 .zip from
h1ttps://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/2014-09-02-supersu-v2-05-t2868133
Now we flash.
7 run Mobile Odin and click recovery. Place Twrp there. Then scroll down to after flash and click. Set it for reboot recovery. Run.
8- After TWRP loads click on Flash .Find SuperSu 2.79 select and flash. Reboot to System (I went ahead and wiped just the regular cache partition then rebooted)
9- Run SuperSu (if prompted by Kingo for root then allow.
10- Using something abe to freeze/Remorvebe (Root Essentials, Lucky Patcher, something of that sort) then proceed to freeze and remove all the kingo junk and bloat.
11- Reboot phone and enjoy.
Now I will warn you the Samsung-firmware is slow for download. So if need be and I am allowed to. I have the firmware file I can upload on here for everyone.
I take no responsibility for any damage that can &/or may happen to your device this method worked for me. Doesn't guarantee that this method will work for you. GL and happy rooting ^__^
qFuse Code
Droidriven said:
I'll check out that qfuse code just for curiosity.
The main reason they work so hard to prevent even advanced users from altering the devices is because they got tired of losing money replacing devices under warranty that had been bricked, technically the warranty is voided when a device is modified but when fully bricked they can't tell that their was any attempt to modify it.
I agree, when you buy something it is yours to do with as you wish but most devices on plan aren't owned, technically they are considered mortgaged property, these devices that are advertised as free with a plan aren't free, it's being paid for in your monthly bill. This means it's just like financing a car, you have to have full collision insurance coverage to protect their investment. That is, in effect, the thing that gives Samsung or your carrier the right to do what they've done to protect their investment.
It would be a logistical nightmare if they had it so that people that actually own the devices didn't have to worry about qfuse but at the same time have it so that customers still paying for the device do have to worry about qfuse, so they just have them all like that across the board.
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I agree, and I don't have a problem with the qFuse "Warranty Bit" for that reason... when it says "This Will Void Your Warranty" it means exactly that. Like I said, when I buy something it's mine (including, Samsung doesn't have to support it if I screw it up).
Are there any custom variations with permissive kernel of this firmware yet? Tried looking around here and searching, none yet... this post of mine appears to be my latest. If you would like this firmware I'll provide the link.
Now that I have SuperSU Pro and Mobile ODIN pro, do I still have to worry about that bootloader qFuse code (my guess is they flashed the locked bootloader and it's already been executed) I just don't want this new update to screw me, and didn't worry about it for a year, but now my phone is acting funky.... showing ads when I open the "Lock Screen" etc. I got Super SU Pro specifically because... an Android virus... with ROOT privileges = anyone's WORST nightmare. Just look at the /dev folder, not to mention "ps -l -C", or "pidstat -l -C" (and other commands I'm not familiar with yet). Listen to you, take pictures of you, steal your data, your passwords, do something illegal and blame it on you (Use your phone as a PSTN and Internet proxy).... you name it. (also it being mine applies to they don't have to support security updates as well - caveat to all rooters that's the 'Catch 22').
LOL, thats more than my Brain Can Handle
I have the same phone.. samsung s4 with the m919uvsfqa1 . It was from Tmobile, i bought the phone in canada and have it locked to Fido in Ontario , Canada. The fact the phone is Canadian, is likely irrelevant. As the Revision is the same as the phone ASHLEY has rooted.
I want to Multitask Apps, and the Samsung Apps that are Preinstalled do not offer the ones i want.
So I read, that if i Root the Phone then any app can be Multi-Window.
As I see Ashleys , rooting was quite difficult. I ask is it Possible to Root this Phone. For someone that really dont know what they are doing. I would need, a very detailed plan that i could follow but am not able to Follow Ashleys plan. Is there a New Method since your THREAD was POSTED?
I doubt any Local Tech would ROOT THIS for a Price, in Sault Ste Marie Ontario... as the stores wont void warranty and i dont know any Techs.
I need to get something done, so that i can access the Calendar app to add Information while talking on the Phone. So far i have to hang up the phone to enter information to the Calendar. That doesn't seem like a Smartphone....