As I have understand ROM is only manufacturers " own look". So is it possible to somehow delete ROM and use "naked" android ?
Im using Motorola DEFY 2.2.2 (nordic nonblur version)
This could be stupid question. But yes, Im beginner in Android world
Even if you use "naked" Android, this would still be a ROM. This is what's commonly referred to as 'stock' Android.. And yes it is possible, just do a search for a 'barebones' ROM. Here's one.
A phone without a ROM is like a computer without an operating system. It may as well be an empty box.
Motodefyuser said:
As I have understand ROM is only manufacturers " own look". So is it possible to somehow delete ROM and use "naked" android ?
Im using Motorola DEFY 2.2.2 (nordic nonblur version)
This could be stupid question. But yes, Im beginner in Android world
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a custom Rom (like cm7) is just a modified android firmware which has his own look and the "unnecessary" System Apps are deleted, the whole android system is customized, you have more settings...
i hope i could help you.
sorry for my bad english!
Julian
juli9797 said:
a custom Rom (like cm7) is just a modified android firmware which has his own look and the "unnecessary" System Apps are deleted, the whole android system is customized, you have more settings...
i hope i could help you.
sorry for my bad english!
Julian
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Ookay. Thanks. Im not gonna install any custom ROM yet coz' Im not sure about all these things whitch you need to do to install custom ROM. But maby in future when Im more vise...
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I've always wondered why they still it a ROM. In early days, smartphones and PDAs had a read only memory area which stored the Operating System(OS) of the device. This is how the word ROM came. I think this is not relevant anymore and a OS would be more descriptive.
If you swap the word ROM with the word Operating System(OS), everything will be clear. Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS.
All devices come with a preinstalled ROM designed by the manufacturer. This is called stock ROM.
Then, there's vanilla ROM or AOSP ROM. These ROMs have the Android OS in its purest form as developed by Google. Most manufacturers add a custom interface and software in the stock ROM.
Finally, we have custom ROMs. There are extensively modified ROMs which have features and customization you can't find in custom or AOSP ROMs. These are usually for the people who want to push their device beyond its limits. It's kind of like getting a tattoo. Famous examples include CyanogenMod, MIUI and MCR.
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I've always wondered why they still it a ROM. In early days, smartphones and PDAs had a read only memory area which stored the Operating System(OS) of the device. This is how the word ROM came. I think this is not relevant anymore and a OS would be more descriptive.
If you swap the word ROM with the word Operating System(OS), everything will be clear. Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS.
All devices come with a preinstalled ROM designed by the manufacturer. This is called stock ROM.
Then, there's vanilla ROM or AOSP ROM. These ROMs have the Android OS in its purest form as developed by Google. Most manufacturers add a custom interface and software in the stock ROM.
Finally, we have custom ROMs. There are extensively modified ROMs which have features and customization you can't find in custom or AOSP ROMs. These are usually for the people who want to push their device beyond its limits. It's kind of like getting a tattoo. Famous examples include CyanogenMod, MIUI and MCR.
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"Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS."
So is it possible to somehow hide/delete ROM ? I have Motorola DEFY (nonblur) and I don't really like that ROM made by motorola..
Motodefyuser said:
"Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS."
So is it possible to somehow hide/delete ROM ? I have Motorola DEFY (nonblur) and I don't really like that ROM made by motorola..
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No. You still need a ROM, just think of a rom as the operating system. You can flash a rom that's what you're looking for. Look through your phone's development section & see if you can find something that you like. Then if you don't know how to flash custom roms, read about that until you understand. It's not hard to do, and I bet you'll like your phone even more once you find a rom that you like.
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No. You still need a ROM, just think of a rom as the operating system. You can flash a rom that's what you're looking for. Look through your phone's development section & see if you can find something that you like. Then if you don't know how to flash custom roms, read about that until you understand. It's not hard to do, and I bet you'll like your phone even more once you find a rom that you like.
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Okay. Thanks mate !
Motodefyuser said:
"Android doesn't need ROM or OS to work because Android itself is the ROM/OS."
So is it possible to somehow hide/delete ROM ? I have Motorola DEFY (nonblur) and I don't really like that ROM made by motorola..
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You can *replace* the MotoBlur ROM by Motorola with a AOSP or Vanilla ROM for your phone. This is specific to your phone and you should see the development section for your phone.
A phone will not function without a ROM. It's like the Windows or Linux in a PC. ROM is just another word for Operating System.
nibras_reeza said:
You can *replace* the MotoBlur ROM by Motorola with a AOSP or Vanilla ROM for your phone. This is specific to your phone and you should see the development section for your phone.
A phone will not function without a ROM. It's like the Windows or Linux in a PC. ROM is just another word for Operating System.
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Okay. Thanks! Then one question coz' you know about these Do z4root work? And is it safe?
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Motodefyuser said:
Okay. Thanks! Then one question coz' you know about these Do z4root work? And is it safe?
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No rooting or modding procedure is 100% risk free. There's always a slight risk although it's very minimal.
Most often, even if something goes wrong and you can't use the phone, you can usually boot into bootloader/fastboot/recovery and use a PC software that came with your phone to restore it to the factory state.
I have used z4root. I don't prefer it but it's relatively easy and works on all 2.1 phones, some 2.2 phones and very few 2.3 phones. If your model is listed as supported, it will most probably work.
Nonetheless, this question is specific to your phone and you should ask it in the Motorola Defy forums or another Defy user.
Hello everyone,
Ive spend the last hour or so trying to find a basic step by step for me here, but so far nothing I can understand- Please pardon my ignorance...
Ok-
I have a fully STOCK galaxy tab 2 7.0 Plus:
-GT-P6210 (US model)
-4.0.4
-Kernel: 3.0.15
-Build: IMM76D.UELPC
I would like to get 4.1-4.2 running on here, but ideally- 4.1/2 running a stock(nexus like) ROM. I am def. not a fan of Samsungs interface as time has gone by, but seem to favor the nexus's (unless there is better?) . I know I need to root the device, and I am fine with that, along with all the risks that go with this (I killed a atrix a few years ago).
So, if someone could direct me to the proper link(s), or if your willing to help me a little (we can work something out PP/BTC) Id greatly appreciate it!
I have the ability, just have 0 teacher to show me the way. From what I understand some of the ROMs available here are great, and id really like to learn. I am a hardware guy for a living, swimming in this world of software is daunting at times...
There is no such thing as a Google / Nexus style ROM for this device. there are variants of CM 10 but that is custom CM, not Nexus UI.
In fact there is no such thing as a pure Google version of Android for any device. Google does not supply the kernel and device drivers so Google Android from Google source runs on none, nada, zero, devices out of the box. Each hardware vendor takes the base Android and adds their own parts to the kernel, adds device drivers and in Samsungs case some additional UI and frame work features (Touchwiz).
The CM 10 JB variants work ok, but some hardware features like the IR blaster will not work on those since the HW is Samsung specific. A better experience if you don;t like the TW launcher might be to install the stock Samsung JB 4.1.2 ROM and then install one of the nice third party launchers on the market to get a different UI look. The launcher is really the major visible difference between Nexus UI and Samsung. Apex, Nova, and Holo are 3 launchers that work well.
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There is no such thing as a Google / Nexus style ROM for this device. there are variants of CM 10 but that is custom CM, not Nexus UI.
In fact there is no such thing as a pure Google version of Android for any device. Google does not supply the kernel and device drivers so Google Android from Google source runs on none, nada, zero, devices out of the box. Each hardware vendor takes the base Android and adds their own parts to the kernel, adds device drivers and in Samsungs case some additional UI and frame work features (Touchwiz).
The CM 10 JB variants work ok, but some hardware features like the IR blaster will not work on those since the HW is Samsung specific. A better experience if you don;t like the TW launcher might be to install the stock Samsung JB 4.1.2 ROM and then install one of the nice third party launchers on the market to get a different UI look. The launcher is really the major visible difference between Nexus UI and Samsung. Apex, Nova, and Holo are 3 launchers that work well.
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Hello, and thank you for you reply!
That makes sense, regarding the Nexus/android ROM- again, please pardon my ignorance...
As for the IR blaster, i am not too concerned about loosing that function. I never really use it, and its never worked great anyway...
Id like to try a stock samsung 4.1/4.2 ROM, and try a 3rd party launcher, or even give the CM10 a go if the stock rom doesnt work. It is my understanding I will have to root the device before I can proceed anywhere. Is this a hard to do process, or pretty simple now a day (I would imagine)?
I again thank you for your help!
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Hello, and thank you for you reply!
That makes sense, regarding the Nexus/android ROM- again, please pardon my ignorance...
As for the IR blaster, i am not too concerned about loosing that function. I never really use it, and its never worked great anyway...
Id like to try a stock samsung 4.1/4.2 ROM, and try a 3rd party launcher, or even give the CM10 a go if the stock rom doesnt work. It is my understanding I will have to root the device before I can proceed anywhere. Is this a hard to do process, or pretty simple now a day (I would imagine)?
I again thank you for your help!
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You can install JB without rooting , right over ICS. Using ODIN.
If you want to customize, Rooting is the starting point. Root and install a recovery module , CWMR or TWRP. Haven't had to install root in a few months, I'll have to look at the current threads to give you a recommendation on that.
One caution,install JB or install the custom recovery and root before you wipe anything on the ICS ROM . Samsung had a bug in the system wipe routine that can cause permanent damage to the memory. It is fixed in JB ROMs and also in the custom recovery software. Just be sure not to do a factory reset on ICS.
Here is a link to the Samsung JB 4.1.2 for P6210. Using ODIN you install this over your current Samsung ICS ROM. (NOTE: the only 4.1.2 P6210 Samsung release so far is a UK ROM and some people have reported Wifi issues due to this, but I run this one and have encountered no issues at all. )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2278740
This appears to be the latest instruction for rooting JB.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41800762&postcount=216
Once you perform the above, you can return to stock Samsung ICS later if you want, but that would most likely return you to factory stock and wipe your programs and settings, so be sure you know the consequences before you jump.
DigitalMD said:
Rooting is the starting point. Root and install a recovery module , CWMR or TWRP. Haven't had to install root in a few months, I'll have to look at the current threads to give you a recommendation on that.
One caution, install the custom recovery and root before you wipe anything on the ICS ROM . Samsung had a bug in the system wipe routine that can cause permanent damage to the memory. It is fixed in JB ROMs and also in the custom recovery software. Just be sure not to do a factory reset on ICS.
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Thank you, I will wait for your reply!
and thats huge on the reset, no joke- i was thinking of doing that before I start the root process!
Thank you much! I greatly appreciate it.
Grumbles said:
Thank you, I will wait for your reply!
and thats huge on the reset, no joke- i was thinking of doing that before I start the root process!
Thank you much! I greatly appreciate it.
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See my updated reply above.
Hello,
Thank you for all your help,
I am def. going to take the JB over ICS route, that would be fine by me!
ive downloaded Odin3, and in process of downloading the JB ROM, so yay! hopefully all will go smooth! I will keep you posted if I fry it, fail, or succeed!
Thanks again.
DigitalMD said:
See my updated reply above.
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I have one final question for you, or anyone out there running this same JB/ODIN process...
Will this, and if so how much, bog the performance of the tab itself? I notice that the tab even with ICS tends to be a little "jerky" going from menu to menu, etc... Is this because of my hardware, or lack of the "project butter" being part of the OS? (I think that was part of JB?)
If I were to have the wifi issues, would I be able to flash back?
Other than that, i am ready to hit the "Go" button!
Grumbles said:
I have one final question for you, or anyone out there running this same JB/ODIN process...
Will this, and if so how much, bog the performance of the tab itself? I notice that the tab even with ICS tends to be a little "jerky" going from menu to menu, etc... Is this because of my hardware, or lack of the "project butter" being part of the OS? (I think that was part of JB?)
If I were to have the wifi issues, would I be able to flash back?
Other than that, i am ready to hit the "Go" button!
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Why would this bog down the tablet?. JB is much smoother than ICS. That was one of Goggles goals in JB. However, some people expect PS4 like performance ..... ha...., all of these phones/tablets use cheap / low power processors. You get what you get, That being said, I am very happy with my P6210 on JB
You can always use ODIN to go back, but you will lose all your settings and installed apps when you do that.
The Wifi issues I have seen reported seem to be that some US Wifi channels do not show up. Not surprising, there are differences in the UK spectrum.
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Why would this bog down the tablet?. JB is much smoother than ICS. That was one of Goggles goals in JB. However, some people expect PS4 like performance ..... ha...., all of these phones/tablets use cheap / low power processors. You get what you get, That being said, I am very happy with my P6210 on JB
You can always use ODIN to go back, but you will lose all your settings and installed apps when you do that.
The Wifi issues I have seen reported seem to be that some US Wifi channels do not show up. Not surprising, there are differences in the UK spectrum.
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More just a thought about the S/W being much newer than the hardware. I most certainly do not expect superformance out the device, but more or less was making sure the hardware is up to the task. Would you rec. I do a backup of the system past the basic "app back n restore" app?
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More just a thought about the S/W being much newer than the hardware. I most certainly do not expect superformance out the device, but more or less was making sure the hardware is up to the task. Would you rec. I do a backup of the system past the basic "app back n restore" app?
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When you install the JB over the Samsung ICS, your settings and apps should be retained. For all brands and ROM, You can backup and restore apps with something like Titanium Backup if you are rooted, but you should not restore data between ICS and JB using most backup apps. the storage areas are different and doing so will cause bad things to happen.
DigitalMD said:
When you install the JB over the Samsung ICS, your settings and apps should be retained. For all brands and ROM, You can backup and restore apps with something like Titanium Backup if you are rooted, but you should not restore data between ICS and JB using most backup apps. the storage areas are different and doing so will cause bad things to happen.
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Done n Done with success!
As you stated, everything held perfect and no issues on the wifi side of things. This OS really made a good difference on the tab as a whole, feels more complete.
I thank you again for all your help!!!!!!!!
What would be a reason to "root" this tablet other than being able to run custom ROMs and maybe be able to off load some bloatware? I feel like I am missing out on what is possible with android and really should get on the bandwagon.
Grumbles said:
Done n Done with success!
As you stated, everything held perfect and no issues on the wifi side of things. This OS really made a good difference on the tab as a whole, feels more complete.
I thank you again for all your help!!!!!!!!
What would be a reason to "root" this tablet other than being able to run custom ROMs and maybe be able to off load some bloatware? I feel like I am missing out on what is possible with android and really should get on the bandwagon.
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For this tablet I don't feel that any of the current custom ROMs offer any advantages or features over the stock setup. I keep it rooted in case I want to drop in a custom startup screen or backup things. Other than that, there is really no good reason to root for the tablet.
Hopefully some of the developers will update to JB and add some of the Note 2 or S4 features soon though.
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For this tablet I don't feel that any of the current custom ROMs offer any advantages or features over the stock setup. I keep it rooted in case I want to drop in a custom startup screen or backup things. Other than that, there is really no good reason to root for the tablet.
Hopefully some of the developers will update to JB and add some of the Note 2 or S4 features soon though.
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I hear ya there,
What a big difference this has made! thank you!!!
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I hear ya there,
What a big difference this has made! thank you!!!
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Welcome of course.
Keep paddling, we are all in this together
Hey guys I am fairly new to android and really new to this rooting and custom rom thing and I've been doing my research with what a rooted android w/ custom rom could look like and what it could further do.
I was hoping that my rooted phone is compatible with Custom Roms like Cyanogen Mod, AOKP, etc. Unfortunately my phone isn't listed in any listed devices in the well known Custom Rom Sites but I still proceeded with installing Cyanogen Mod since everyone seems to be using it. I don't even know if there are more of these eye candy useful mods that makes the ios look miserably locked up while hoping at least one of these custom rom is compatible with my crappy awesome phone. But upon installation process of Cyanogen Mod WITHOUT awareness that it really isn't compatible, it stated in that page that I could (STILL)use their Custom Rom at my own risk. Beyond that I stopped the installation process in fear of destroying my phone.
I was wondering whether you guys could enlighten me about the compatibility of Huawei Y220-U10 to Custom Roms. I've seen Huawei Y210's on youtube that's using a custom rom but unfortunately ALL of them who's demonstrating their phones are speaking in Spanish. I also installed ROM Installer but I can't seem to see 'FEATURED'? Maybe because it's the free version?
Now I am willing to take the risk, starting from the bottom meaning derooting my phone, wiping it clean, rerooting it and flashing that Custom Rom but I'm seeking advice from much more experienced users because if you guys tell me that it is a BIG NO NO I guess I'll just have to stick with the Go Launcher and wait until I get a much better, stronger, faster android smartphone which has a friendlier compatibility to everything android. And how come I can't access facebook nor yahoo from any web browser in my phone? is it a virus? Please clarify my theories.
Much Regards, Jom
P.S. Phone is running at 2.3.6 and rooted with Kingo Android ROOT
Hello @Jom Apa Welcome to Android / XDA!
"BIG NO NO!" You can't flash ROMs not made for your device because of the underlying hardware incompatibilities. You might completely kill your phone.
Give me a few minutes while I search for ROMs you can use
UPDATE: Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any custom firmware for your device nor Github entries for the chipset used. Seems you'll either have to stick with stock or create your own custom ROMs there are a lot of support here on XDA, Let the learning begin!
Cheers!
Hello, I have a samsung Y tv with its stock rom with android 2.3.6. I found a custom rom with android 4.2.2 and I installed it hoping that I could download the apps that I could not download with the 2.3.6 version, but I could not anyways. I imagine that its not a problem with the android, but one with the hardware, am I right?
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Hello, I have a samsung Y tv with its stock rom with android 2.3.6. I found a custom rom with android 4.2.2 and I installed it hoping that I could download the apps that I could not download with the 2.3.6 version, but I could not anyways. I imagine that its not a problem with the android, but one with the hardware, am I right?
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i assume the play store is saying your device is not compatible with the apps you want?
it could be hardware, but most likely software.
its difficult to some times not possible to make apps work with every version of android ever made, so there is usually a cut off as to how far back it will work. this information is frequently posted with the app, but not always. look near the bottom.
usually will say something like "requires android 4.4 or newer" but the backwards compatibility varies from app to app. one might be compatible back to 3.0 where another might be only 5.0 and up.
I have a Samsung Galaxy Discover, it's my old childhood phone and for the memories, I want to make it as usable as I can now, however I basically can't do anything internet related with it as it runs Android Ice Cream Sandwich (which I will be shortening to ICS for the rest of this post), ICS has certificate issues which you can't do anything about, to use anything internet related you need Jellybean (also has certificate issues but not as bad as ICS and they can be updated unlike ICS) or KitKat (has all modern certificates), however the Discover only has ICS ROMs, there was a Jellybean ROM at one point however the link is dead and I can't find an archive of it. I know it's possible to get Jellybean and KitKat on the Discover because the Galaxy Ace Plus has both Jellybean and KitKat ROMs, and the Ace Plus and Discover are basically the same phone, and I did spend a bit of time trying to port a CyanogenMod 10 ROM for the Ace Plus to the Discover, but I'm just too inexperienced with ROM porting and making ROMs and I had absolutely no idea what I was doing, so after I ran into an issue I couldn't find any details about on Google, I just gave up and went back to ICS.
If anyone could explain how to make a ROM (whether it be making my own ROM from scratch or porting an already existing ROM like CyanogenMod) for the Discover or even make a ROM for me, I'd be super thankful, preferably I want Jellybean as this is a super cheap phone and I don't think KitKat will run very well on it, however if KitKat is easier to get running I'll do KitKat. The exact model number of the phone is SGH-S730M. I have access to computers running macOS, Windows and Linux. (figured that'll be helpful to know if I need to make a ROM)
How do I create a custom rom?
Hey! So I was so happy with my phone, a Huawei mate 20 lite, that has been obsolete cuz it's old. I unlocked it's bootloader, and I will install TWRP for it, but there's no custom roms like pixel experience or Lineageos for it, so I decided to...
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How do I create a custom rom?
Hey! So I was so happy with my phone, a Huawei mate 20 lite, that has been obsolete cuz it's old. I unlocked it's bootloader, and I will install TWRP for it, but there's no custom roms like pixel experience or Lineageos for it, so I decided to...
forum.xda-developers.com
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That page doesn't help. The first guide linked there requires you getting the device tree, vendor, and kernel from GitHub, and since the Discover is an obscure device, I highly doubt any of that stuff is on GitHub, I'd have to pull it from a pre-existing ICS ROM or something (but idk how to do that), and on the second page linked there I don't see any sort of guide.