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Bought this battery from a reseller around here and I wanted to know whether i just gave up nfc for an increase in battery life? Also please explain why does nfc require a special battery? Why can't it just be a microchip emitting signal integrated in the phone?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/270899338893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
I would assume so, but if you did, that seems like a pretty good trade. NFC is a dumb gimmick anyway, and I don't really trust the tech with my credit card/banking info given that mere proximity is enough to read it. I would never use NFC.
Frogacuda said:
I would assume so, but if you did, that seems like a pretty good trade. NFC is a dumb gimmick anyway, and I don't really trust the tech with my credit card/banking info given that mere proximity is enough to read it. I would never use NFC.
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Very short sighted it is as much as gimmick as Interac is.
I can not remember the last time I used cash, and why bother when all I need in my bank card and PIN.
Me I live in the 21th Century and I rather take advantage of it than wear my tin foil hat..... worry about everybody out to rip me off.
Who said anything about cash? My cards work fine.
But people can put an NFC reader in a bag and bump into your pocket on the subway. It's really not a particularly secure bit of tech, and it's also not a significantly more convenient thing than swiping a credit card.
Who cares what you think or dont think about NFC, please stick to the subject. Why do we need a special battery for NFC? Is it because the chip is in the battery?
Yes, basically it's a small, flat chip embedded under the sticker label on the skyrocket's battery. I think it works kind of like those security tags they put on books and DVDs.
Someone more knowledgeable than I might be able to tell you if it'd be possible to move that to the new battery.
Soon as NFC catches fire..IF it does.. Then you will be able to purchase mirochip stickies that you can cement on anything you can imagine.
From what I have read on many online searches the battery does not have the NFC circuitry. The battery only houses the NFC short distance antenna, which accounts for the 4th contact on the battery.
gdmuscle said:
From what I have read on many online searches the battery does not have the NFC circuitry. The battery only houses the NFC short distance antenna, which accounts for the 4th contact on the battery.
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Surely the Chinese battery manufacturers will catch on and we will see cheapo batteries with NFC antennae soon enough. But I agree with others here, NFC sounds like a gimmick and a security risk to me at this point. How strong is the crypto on this technology? It better be pretty damned secure or I will deliberately purchase one of these NON-NFC batteries for my next phone, lol.
gdmuscle said:
From what I have read on many online searches the battery does not have the NFC circuitry. The battery only houses the NFC short distance antenna, which accounts for the 4th contact on the battery.
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That information is incorrect. Read around people here on the forums have NFC working. **Edit, I misunderstood you. Yes the battery houses the antenna, and the phone has the other parts of the circuity, but without the antenna NFC is useless.
And for those of you who think its a gimmick take a look at what one user here is doing with it:
cdshepherd said:
A quick example. I have a nfc tag sitting on my nightstand. At night when I go to bed I set my phone on the tag. It automatically turns my wifi off, turns my alarm on, and turns the night mode clock on. Its really neat stuff. Paying with NFC (which we can't do yet) is only scratching the surface when it comes to this technology. If your interested more Google search it. There is tons of stuff.
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Bought this battery from a reseller around here and I wanted to know whether i just gave up nfc for an increase in battery life? Also please explain why does nfc require a special battery? Why can't it just be a microchip emitting signal integrated in the phone?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/270899338893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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The reason why it isn't in the phone is because NFC has an operating range of 4 cm, your phone is already almost 1 cm thick, some people put those horrible otterbox cases on which another 1 cm thick, throw in interference and having that antenna inside the phone rather than the edge of the phone makes it almost useless. This is why the antenna is on the battery, will they move it to inside phone? Probably, but they would have to increase the throughput of the signal which would increase range but that would decrease security.
Frogacuda said:
Who said anything about cash? My cards work fine.
But people can put an NFC reader in a bag and bump into your pocket on the subway. It's really not a particularly secure bit of tech, and it's also not a significantly more convenient thing than swiping a credit card.
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That wouldnt really work. Google Wallet has a PIN, so even if someone had some kind of NFC device in their bag, they wouldnt be able to extract money because you'd have to manually enter your PIN before the transfer would go through.
On top of that, you need to be really close for NFC to work. Like the phone has to be basically touching the reader. IIRC, for mobile phones, 4 centimeters is the distance the phone can be from the reader. On top of that, the phone has to be unlocked for NFC to work. So unless you walk around with your phone screen awake at all times, it's a total non-issue.
A normal wallet full of cash and cards is much more insecure that Google Wallet and NFC.
NFC is great though. I use it at 7/11, rite-aid, cvs, and mcdonalds all the time.
Frogacuda said:
Who said anything about cash? My cards work fine.
But people can put an NFC reader in a bag and bump into your pocket on the subway. It's really not a particularly secure bit of tech, and it's also not a significantly more convenient thing than swiping a credit card.
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Virtually all modern credit and debit cards issued by the major banks have some kind of contactless chip embedded in them.
AMEX has ExpressPay, Master Card has PayPass, Discover has Zip, Visa has PayWave. Different banks have it under their own branding, too. Chase, for example, puts them all under their "Blink" term.
The chip itself is like 5mm x 5mm, thinner than the credit card itself, and only really produces a slight variation in the surface of the credit card. You'll only really see it if you're explicitly looking for it.
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Bought this battery from a reseller around here and I wanted to know whether i just gave up nfc for an increase in battery life? Also please explain why does nfc require a special battery? Why can't it just be a microchip emitting signal integrated in the phone?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/270899338893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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I just ordered mine. I never like to buy from china but for 17 dollars even if i got scammed i thought it was worth the chance. Have you noticed an increase in battery life?
i got an extra 1.5-2 hours
ok kool im glad too here
polish_pat said:
Bought this battery from a reseller around here and I wanted to know whether i just gave up nfc for an increase in battery life? Also please explain why does nfc require a special battery? Why can't it just be a microchip emitting signal integrated in the phone?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/270899338893?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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That looks like a good battery that will fit under the current cover. I too want an extended battery like this but I don't want to lose NFC...
eagercrow said:
That information is incorrect. Read around people here on the forums have NFC working. **Edit, I misunderstood you. Yes the battery houses the antenna, and the phone has the other parts of the circuity, but without the antenna NFC is useless.
And for those of you who think its a gimmick take a look at what one user here is doing with it:
cdshepherd said:
A quick example. I have a nfc tag sitting on my nightstand. At night when I go to bed I set my phone on the tag. It automatically turns my wifi off, turns my alarm on, and turns the night mode clock on. Its really neat stuff. Paying with NFC (which we can't do yet) is only scratching the surface when it comes to this technology. If your interested more Google search it. There is tons of stuff.
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I just ordered 5 NFC tags. I'm going to place 1 on my nightstand, 1 in the car and 1 at work. Each one will be programmed to to different things. For example the nightstand tag will turn off wifi, put phone on silent. The car tag will turn up all the sounds, increase brightness to full, turn on bluetooth and GPS and launch the music player. The one at work will turn off all sounds, turn brightness down to minimum and turn off bluetooth and GPS.
Once mobile payments come to my area I will use it NFC for that as well.
i guess when you get the new battery and NFC is grayed out in the settings menu you will have your definitive answer. i'd like to know fo sho.
I just got this battery and nfc is not greyed out in the settings. But I have no way to test it otherwise.
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I just got this battery and nfc is not greyed out in the settings. But I have no way to test it otherwise.
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Stock UCLD2 has NFC test that can be accessed via *#6328378#
Custom rom's might have removed NfcTest.apk as bloat, so it might not work on all.
Hey guys,
for a few weeks now, my phone has been randomly shutting off at the slightest increase of load. Whether it be loading a YouTube video, playing the casual session of Cut the Rope (Does it count as casual when you complete all three parts with perfects everywhere in about two weeks?) and maybe Plants vs Zombies.
I've not seen similar symptoms on XDA, but who knows when it will hit the next person?
Now, I've searched quite a few forums, such as Android Central, but haven't found a thread similar to this.
I created this thread, in the hopes that it'll help some more people.
Read on if you think you have a bad battery.
Likely symptoms of a bad battery
Serial number starts with BD (Could it be short for BAD? Illuminati! Just kidding )
Phone randomly shuts off completely at the slightest increase of load
Phone refuses to power on again for a few minutes (Turning it back on usually causes it to shut off before/during boot)
The phone constantly looses signal
The phone gets extremely hot when not being used
I've had all of these symptoms and I can promise you it's a known problem.
What will happen if I don't change the battery?
Several things might happen if you don't change the battery:
The battery may explode (Leaving you with either a really big hole in your leg, or worse you might loose some bits and pieces.
The battery may leak and damage your phone irreparably.
The battery may leak and corrode your legs, clothes or what ever encloses the phone.
What can I do?
You can either go to a Samsung Repair Centre or go to your local retailer/provider.
They should cover this under warranty, no matter if the device is rooted or not.
If they don't, you CAN press charges/sue the company/provider.
Why? If they do not replace your battery, they may lead you to harm either by explosion or corrosion.
But that's a last-resort.
What I did, is following:
I called my provider (German Telekom, call them for free from your mobile in Germany under
Code:
2202
) and told them what is going on. They asked me what exactly is happening and got following response:
German Telekom Call Centre Agent said:
Oh, f*ck. Get to your nearest store and get that replaced immediately!
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which is what I'm doing tomorrow.
You can always use this as a good excuse to buy one of those extended batteries, but why should you? The stock battery is pretty decent.
I'll update this thread when I'm back or on my way back home and let you guys know what exactly happened.
I hope this can help someone with these issues and I can help prevent loosing a leg, or worse, different bits and bobs.
If you're experiencing this problem, and you've done something similar, let others know below!
Edit: I had a Galaxy S III lying around. It's battery fits more or less snug and works as long as you have the back panel on the phone. I'm using it until I get to the store tomorrow.
Yeah....I had the battery problem on S4 about two months ago and Samsung confirm that it was a known issue and that about 30% of S4 battery might be affected. They replaced my battery without any question asked.
See link below as well:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...lems-samsung-offers-free-battery-replacements
Part of the symptoms include swollen battery as well. My battery got swollen to a point that it started pushing my battery cover and the screen out. If you want to know that you have a swollen battery, put it on a desk and give it a spin. If it rolls (with the middle of the battery touching the desk) , then you have a defective battery and you should get it replaced at no cost.
Another symptom is that your battery could go from 100% charged to 0% (phone won't be able to start unless you connect a charger) during a reboot. It will then jumped to about 80% full after connecting your phone to a charger.
Beatsleigher said:
Hey guys,
Edit: I had a Galaxy S III lying around. It's battery fits more or less snug and works as long as you have the back panel on the phone. I'm using it until I get to the store tomorrow.
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May I propose you to use the SEARCH button BEFORE you will start another thread?
I know it is painful, as you just have discovered America... sadly, you're the 1492nd person who did it in last week only.
possible search result, if you'd not be too lazy...
May I propose to read the thread?
It contains solutions and symptoms of a bad battery. And I was giving my personal experiences
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Beatsleigher said:
May I propose to read the thread?
It contains solutions and symptoms of a bad battery. And I was giving my personal experiences
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Symptoms: serial number of faulty batch; swithing off while showing different load state, heating, swollen battery.
Remedy: replace the battery. By purchasing, visiting the Samsung centre or calling the Samsung Customer Help in ANY country.
So, please, read the linked thread again. Take special attention on the posts: 1; 2; 9; 12; 17; 18; 28; 29; 33; 34; 36.
So far, you were unable to find the linked in my previous post thread, what gives some interesting picture about the ... ability of searching.
Symptoms: wrong as well, because typical for DB bad battery case symptom is that you cannot turn the phone on back again, no matter how long you would wait, without putting the phone to the charger. As well, phone was not going hot (above normal level) no matter, used or not.
Finally, the phone wasn't loosing signal more frequently than normal.
"What will happen section" :, your statement that bad BD series battery will leak, explode, cause the nuclear blast or whatever is unjustified, because the battery is swelling so badly that it would damage the screen much faster. ( further info here and here - I hope you will be able to find the appropriate posts by yourself. If not - please ask, I will help you if your parents are too busy).
Furthermore, so called solutions you tried to provide are ridiculous, as Samsung knows the problem with BD batteries and replaces it without single word, worldwide (examples from threads: Asia, Australia, Africa, Europe).
Last but not least: on the XDA, there is simple set of rules, where one of them states: DO NOT REPLICATE the posts and threads, USE the search button before posting and add your comment to the existing thread before starting a new one if the similar thread exists.
so far, your thread is the 4th related with officially called back by Samsung faulty BD series of batteries.
I don't see anything wrong with this thread and am leaving it open. It provides useful information, which is clearly outlined in the OP, and may cut down on future threads being opened about it.
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I had been thinking about this. Is there any way to use or convert or transform those non-removable/embedded/built-in/internal batteries as external/removable batteries? Does the built-in batteries also have the 3-pins like removable batteries inside? Is it possible?
Probably with some soldering and electrical know how, sure. Not sure it would be worth it, but yeah.
kolniklaus said:
I had been thinking about this. Is there any way to use or convert or transform those non-removable/embedded/built-in/internal batteries as external/removable batteries? Does the built-in batteries also have the 3-pins like removable batteries inside? Is it possible?
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Possible? Yes
But....
Very impractical for more reasons than I can list due to the fact that you're talking about doing it with lithium batteries which are unstable to begin with, in part, it's that instability that make them a good energy source. Controllably unstable like the engines on a rocket ship, in control but just barely enough to get it to do what you want as long as you don't deviate from its design/function and can go wrong at any moment with the slightest change in variables.
In my opinion, you're more likely to start a fire or at least burn a device up than have any kind of sensible long term success.
I'm sure we all have heard about the note 7 and the hover board incedents, right? That's all I could picture when I read this OP.
Yikes!!!
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Please explain your nonsensical post
Please explain why the connection between the phone and a non-removable battery differs so much from a built - in battery that it would be dangerous. They're virtually identical. I have to consider your post propaganda from the phone companies that benefit from the planned obsolescence unless you reply. I'm considering converting a note 10 so I can upgrade from a note 4 finally. Would like to do so safely. Hope you get this and respond because you sound like you know what you're talking about, but I'm old enough to have encountered good liars, and I simply can't see why this would be as dangerous as you're trying to make it seem. The note 7 was a problem with the battery itself, not the fact that it was built-in or removable. Thanks.
affg said:
Please explain why the connection between the phone and a non-removable battery differs so much from a built - in battery that it would be dangerous. They're virtually identical. I have to consider your post propaganda from the phone companies that benefit from the planned obsolescence unless you reply. I'm considering converting a note 10 so I can upgrade from a note 4 finally. Would like to do so safely. Hope you get this and respond because you sound like you know what you're talking about, but I'm old enough to have encountered good liars, and I simply can't see why this would be as dangerous as you're trying to make it seem. The note 7 was a problem with the battery itself, not the fact that it was built-in or removable. Thanks.
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If the battery is the same form factor, same dimensions, has the contacts in the correct location to make a connection, has the contact points in the correct order/configuration(+ in the correct position and - in the correct position) and is rated with the same specs as the original battery, it might work.
But, I think it is a shot in the dark, I doubt you'll find a battery that will actually fit and connect at the right points. If you are considering trying to use wire to connect the battery to the contact points in the phone, I'll go ahead and tell you that is a bad idea.
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Why
Why?
affg said:
Why?
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Adding the wire between the battery and the contact pins changes the amount of resistance between the battery and the contact pins, this difference will probably, at some point, lead to some kind of hardware damage/failure.
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Hello,
I ordered online (Amazon) a Samsung replacement battery for my AT&T Note 4, the replacement battery I received model is EB-BN910BBE while the original battery model is EB-BN910BBU, some web searches I did makes me think that the last letter in the battery model are related to its intended region; E for EU and U for US. Power-wise the new battery works fine, however when I try to use Android Pay the Point of Sales reports an error (the wording varies but basically the message is "select just one card") therefore I am unable to pay using Android Pay.
To troubleshoot I brought my old battery to the store and after being unable to pay using the new one I replaced the it with the old one (EB-BN910BBU) and I was able to pay using Android Pay. It is important to note that after the first time I had the error (before re-installing the old battery) I cleared all data from Android Pay and re-configure it with the new battery (in case that the NFC tag played a role in Android Pay Configuration), when I installed the old battery it worked without any Android pay reconfiguration (looks like the NFC Tag Id it is not part of the Android Pay configuration)
The Amazon Seller sent a second battery (same model) and not being an expert both EB-BN910BBE battery seem legit, print is clear, recognizable QR code, well trimmed and sealed.... And the issue happens with both batteries.
I wonder if NFC tag specs for Europe are different from US and that is the reason that the Point of Sales does not accepts the NFC tag that comes with the EB-BN910BBE.
Any suggestion/comments?
Thanks
I bought my spare battery from Samsung web site. Sometimes you can get lucky and get it a half price, just look on web for Samsung battery coupons. Works as it supposed too, NFC works too.
Thanks,
That was the first thing I tried at the Samsung site but the battery is not available at their store. (http://www.samsung.com/us/search/searchMain?Dy=1&Nty=1&Ntt=*EB-BN910BBU*)
So I got it from the Samsung Store at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung/pages/2530342011)
I noticd some of the note 4 batteries are not nfc . are you sure your new battery is NFC
Yes I am sure, I am able to transfer pictures via NFC and read NFC tags
I noticd some of the note 4 batteries are not nfc . are you sure your new battery is NFC
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Hi guys
So I'm my country South Africa this isn't locally available however its possible to import it using amazon. As with any device, before I buy I read through the xda thread for it.
Some alarming things have caught my attention namely the kill switch thing. I have a vague understanding of what it is but I don't know what triggers it.
I'm looking at buying the newest shield tablet, the one for $200 without the stylus. Is this tablet affected by the kill switch thing?
Lastly, how is it to flash TWRP and root?
The Shield Tablet K1 does not have the kill switch.
Flashing TWRP and rooting is easy.
As edisso10018 said, rooting and flashing twrp is pretty easy, As for the kill switch, the Original Shield Tablet has the kill switch not the Shield Tablet K1
Cool thanks guys.
Also this kill switch thing was created because there was a fatal flaw in the y01 series battery and it proved hazardous as in it exploded in several events and when lipo go off they can cause serious damage so in order to cover nvidia's butt they issued a mandatory recall send new tablets to owners and then pushed out an update that is supposed to brick any of the tablets with this battery in it. Near the end of the recall they stopped requiring the bad tablets back and if you did not go on the internet before killing it services you could keep the Pyro tablet going it was strongly suggested that the Pyro battery is pulled and replaced with another cell the of Nexus 7 cells seem to work...
mirrin said:
Also this kill switch thing was created because there was a fatal flaw in the y01 series battery and it proved hazardous as in it exploded in several events and when lipo go off they can cause serious damage so in order to cover nvidia's butt they issued a mandatory recall send new tablets to owners and then pushed out an update that is supposed to brick any of the tablets with this battery in it. Near the end of the recall they stopped requiring the bad tablets back and if you did not go on the internet before killing it services you could keep the Pyro tablet going it was strongly suggested that the Pyro battery is pulled and replaced with another cell the of Nexus 7 cells seem to work...
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Please cite the latter, where you suggest Nexus 7 battery works.
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Please cite the latter, where you suggest Nexus 7 battery works.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66585885&postcount=53
There is two things I have issue with in his directions but as I don't have a Pyro or a spare Nexus 7 battery to mess with my warnings are probably safe to ignore.
1. The ribbon should be going to a similar board that he took off the stock battery pack. In theory those two wires he does nothing with are for the temperature sensor and signal wire to tell the charging circuit to shut off. By pealing back to that board you should be met with a bare li-ion pack with 2 leads a positive and negative and some sort of temp probe. It should be possible to remove that board and place the shield's protection board on that lipo.
2. It should be possible to connect the other 2 wires to the shield rather than use the old y01 protection which may or may not be involved in the issue.
In addition thus gave me the idea of putting 6-7 18650 in parallel using a combination of a 3d printed back and a hole cut in the OEM backplate the 3d printed part may or may not be removable to swap the cells live. But having a 9000+ mAh battery might be worth the junk in the trunk you just added... The batteries would double the thickness but each 18650 holds between 2000mAh and 3500mAh by my measure in the spot of the battery you should be able to fit 6-7 so 12,000-24,500mAh depending on cells you get...