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I've been thinking about removing the security pin on my phone so I just slide to unlock instead of requiring a pin.. I have motoblur and can remotely wipe the phone if I lose it (if someone doesn't find it and remove sim first ) the reason is im just sick of putting my pin in all the time.. I don't keep any major personal information on the phone.. the worst thing would be access to any cached emails or txt mags if found by a not nice person.. any major security issues I might not be thinking of? Do you require a pin or not? And why?
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I've never used a lock pattern or pin. I use another security device that came free with my pants: my pocket.
Just keep track of your belongings.
iwasapirate said:
I've never used a lock pattern or pin. I use another security device that came free with my pants: my pocket.
Just keep track of your belongings.
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iwasapirate said:
I've never used a lock pattern or pin. I use another security device that came free with my pants: my pocket.
Just keep track of your belongings.
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Second that. Sercurity is important, but putting in a pattern or pin everytime would get extremely old/annoying.
I also thought about the pin, but decided it would be too much everytime I want to use the phone, but I suppose once you set it up you would get used to it like anything else.
How many times a day to you wake up your telly? lol thats alot of pin entering.
Okay I've been viewing and using the forums for a while, but never had a reason to join until now. I've had my HTC one X for over a month and in that time frame I've managed to accidentally call 911 over 8 times (all inside my jean pocket, even 3 times in 1 day). Is there any mod to disable emergency call or remove the emergency contact of 911 from the list when its locked and the button is pushed inside my pocket? I've searched everywhere and can't find a fix. I've even edited my build.prop to read "ro.ril.oem.ecclist=123" instead of "=911". I know there has to be a way to fix this issue but I haven't been able to find it.
I was going to post in the development section but because I just joined I'm unable to post in that thread.
FYI: I"m rooted, unlocked bootloader, CWM, and running CleanRom 3.0.
Please somebody!
Anyone? I really need help on this one, I'm afraid of getting into some serious trouble if I can't fix this issue. Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
Ohh I get it, you use a security lock.
Do not use a security lock?
With the standard lock screen(security lock set to none) there is no emergency dial button.
Other thought though is to buy a flip cover so when the phone is in your pocket the entire screen will be blocked by the cover?
You can buy them online for just a few dollars.
How do you do this? Even with the emergency dial button, it asks you to input the number.
twistedddx said:
Ohh I get it, you use a security lock.
Do not use a security lock?
With the standard lock screen(security lock set to none) there is no emergency dial button.
Other thought though is to buy a flip cover so when the phone is in your pocket the entire screen will be blocked by the cover?
You can buy them online for just a few dollars.
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Those are both good suggestions, but I'm kind of a security nut, and I'd hate to cover up this gorgeous phone. I took my case back because I hated covering it up, but maybe I can find something nice on Amazon. Thank you for the reply.
KitF said:
How do you do this? Even with the emergency dial button, it asks you to input the number.
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There's my issue, it brings you to a dialpad but it also has 911 as an emergency contact at the top of the screen. Even if my pocket dials an insane string of numbers, if it ever touches that top contact or I touch it as I'm pulling it out because it's vibrating and I'm at work, it automatically dials 911. I just thought there was a way to remove that contact.
Just to be complete, also consider a pouch. That way you can just slide it in and out as required. Better suited to car mounts and keeping the phone slim
You have to compromise somewhere...Either keep dialing 911 and eventually get your number blacklisted by them or get in trouble OR stop using the security lock screen. Simple as that, seeing that you don't want to cover the screen with anything.
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You have to compromise somewhere...Either keep dialing 911 and eventually get your number blacklisted by them or get in trouble OR stop using the security lock screen. Simple as that, seeing that you don't want to cover the screen with anything.
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You've overlooked option #3: Learn how to develop for android, and make my own mod to solve my issue. Anything is possible and I think it's my only option left, If anyone knows any of the specific files, folders, or APK's that may be in question please let me know. Other than that I'm off on a wild goose chase that I hope I'm able win. Wish me luck!
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You've overlooked option #3: Learn how to develop for android, and make my own mod to solve my issue. Anything is possible and I think it's my only option left, If anyone knows any of the specific files, folders, or APK's that may be in question please let me know. Other than that I'm off on a wild goose chase that I hope I'm able win. Wish me luck!
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That's such a refreshing response my man, more power to you
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With.mine using a pin.lock, you have to.unlock the normal screen, then the emergency dial pops up. Which way do you have you phone in your pocket, like screen in or out?
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kleeman7 said:
With.mine using a pin.lock, you have to.unlock the normal screen, then the emergency dial pops up. Which way do you have you phone in your pocket, like screen in or out?
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Screen towards my thigh, maybe my jeans are too tight. lol
Well my update for the night (if anyone is interested) is I browsed through the .apk's in cleanrom 3.0 and unzipped 5 of them that had relevant names: DialerLauncher, HTCDialer+, Idlescreenbase, Phone, and Phonesky. Opened up the .dex files in those with notepad just to take a peek at what's readable. found a lot of interesting things in Phone and Dialers. Just went into adb and dexdumped those to read through them all without all the formatting issues in notepad. I'm so new to all this that I have no idea if I'm on the right path or not, but it seems like solid progress to me. Gotta hit the hay though it's 2am, I'll try more tomorrow. Take care everyone and feel free to leave me any suggestions (or encouragement at this point)!
Warning!
I don't recommend dexdumping phone or phonesky! I sure hope my answer isn't in there it's MASSSIVE! Also thank you Corythug for the encouragement lol
I have found two things for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562477
And
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1688407
The file you would have to.edit would be android.policy.jar
Those two.post should help one is specific to HTC lockscreen with a for.sure fix.
Good luck.
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jo3holl4nd said:
Screen towards my thigh, maybe my jeans are too tight. lol
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Well there's your problem! Try putting the phone in your pocket screen out. The heat from your thigh is what is dialing the numbers.
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kleeman7 said:
I have found two things for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562477
And
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1688407
The file you would have to.edit would be android.policy.jar
Those two.post should help one is specific to HTC lockscreen with a for.sure fix.
Good luck.
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Lol obviously you have the same issue I have of hitting period instead of space on the keyboard. Come from Samsung phones?
timmillah said:
Lol obviously you have the same issue I have of hitting period instead of space on the keyboard. Come from Samsung phones?
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I hit period like no other on this phone, lol.
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ECEXCURSION said:
Well there's your problem! Try putting the phone in your pocket screen out. The heat from your thigh is what is dialing the numbers.
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I considered this but because other screens have cracked and died from sharp table edges with the screen facing out I prefer not to store my phones screen out.
Flashed my DS with ICS and thought the face unlock function was great.
One of my friends mentioned that it would work with a photo of my face.
All we did was take anphoto of my face and lined the camera up with the other screen and removed the glare and the phone unlocked.
Its a great function but not as safe as i had hoped.
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slugger7 said:
Flashed my DS with ICS and thought the face unlock function was great.
One of my friends mentioned that it would work with a photo of my face.
All we did was take anphoto of my face and lined the camera up with the other screen and removed the glare and the phone unlocked.
Its a great function but not as safe as i had hoped.
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Hardly news mate - this has been known for a long time.
Hahaha sorry just thought all of u should know about it hehehe. I went back to standard patern.
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So there is a new feature on galaxy nexus,you have to wink your eyes after facing unlock...
ReznovHuang said:
So there is a new feature on galaxy nexus,you have to wink your eyes after facing unlock...
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Is that just to prove that it is a living person? And not a photo?
While on this topic can someone explain the Samsung S3 thing were it unlocks when you look at it or something?
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Basic face unlock is the same (without wink), but there is also a second option with face and voice, but I can't tell how safe it is and if it can be tricked with a picture and an audio record (have vpn set up and can't change to this unlock method).
But I guess it is still not as save as pattern, pin or password (this 3 are at least those I still can choose from).
About the wink within the gnex, sure safer, but still can be tricked with a video I guess.
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Sliding a ring to the center of the screen is much safer method, for sure!
Pattern unlock can also normally be guessed from looking at the greasy smudges onscreen!
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ben_pyett said:
Pattern unlock can also normally be guessed from looking at the greasy smudges onscreen!
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Just for advanced hackers muahaha!
ben_pyett said:
Pattern unlock can also normally be guessed from looking at the greasy smudges onscreen!
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If there is many overlapping it's not that easy, pin and password can also be easily cracked if you use your birthday or name of your kid I.e.
In the end every method can be cracked, but at pattern, pin and password you at least are able to make it safer while using complex pass keys.
But sure your right that password and pin are the safest methods when they are used in a safe way.
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Are u trying to hide porn from ur girlfriend? Lol jk. Sorry
I used to put a password but then after getting a data plan and included in a few group chat, they lock just seem like an additional unescessary option.
Unless ofcourse ur're a type of person who has a habit of leaving the phone around or have friends who will use ur phone facebook account to make random embarrassing post and have sensitive password inside then it is a must.
rain987 said:
Are u trying to hide porn from ur girlfriend? Lol jk. Sorry
I used to put a password but then after getting a data plan and included in a few group chat, they lock just seem like an additional unescessary option.
Unless ofcourse ur're a type of person who has a habit of leaving the phone around or have friends who will use ur phone facebook account to make random embarrassing post and have sensitive password inside then it is a must.
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Yes my friends do like to make messed up jokes like that.
But as they said with the patern if you overlap your path its not as easy to see and you can make it invisible then it only shows the wrong patterns entered.
I have a nice function on my phone tjat when someone enters the pattern or password in and its wrong three times in a row it takes a photo with the front facing camera and emails it to my email account. Did that with a app called cerberus
http://market.android.com/search?q=pname:com.lsdroid.cerberus . Its like the ultimate security app for android phones.
It does more than what I've mentioned.
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slugger7 said:
Yes my friends do like to make messed up jokes like that.
But as they said with the patern if you overlap your path its not as easy to see and you can make it invisible then it only shows the wrong patterns entered.
I have a nice function on my phone tjat when someone enters the pattern or password in and its wrong three times in a row it takes a photo with the front facing camera and emails it to my email account. Did that with a app called cerberus
http://market.android.com/search?q=pname:com.lsdroid.cerberus . Its like the ultimate security app for android phones.
It does more than what I've mentioned.
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+1 for cerberus . The best paid security app with root functionality. IMO
Not sure if this is well known or not but if you lose your android phone and think that your 4 digit lock screen password is going to cut it, you may be wrong. I realize that most people here know multiple ways to get access to a device but I haven't seen this way before and thought it was unique.
A 4 digit password can be brute force hacked in 16.5 hours, using the USB rubber duckie developed by the guys at Hak5.
They have a detailed video posted over at: http://hak5.org/episodes/hak5-1217
It works because android doesn't implement longer wait times between unsuccessful pin entries. Every 5 tried it locks you out for 30 seconds. That's it! That's all! Every 5 times, 30 seconds over and over again! It never gets longer! Thus why it takes 16.5 hours to go from 0000 to 9999 with one second between attempts, and 30 seconds between every 5 attempts.
Hopefully this gets fixed in the next version of android. For comparison, BlackBerry has a 10 password rule and the phone gets wiped and Apple makes successive longer wait times and will ultimately lock itself and need to be plugged into the original syncing computer (I believe, not really a big Apple fan, so I don't know for sure)
Thanks for this information
The difference in the time it takes to break a 5 digit pin or a 10 digit pin is cRaZy
Sure, the wait times should be "smarter" - but if you're keeping TRULY sensitive information on your phone, just use a real password to unlock it, not a PIN.
Or, perhaps a solution in the spirit of Android would be to let people decide for themselves how they want it implemented. Some people wouldn't care and wouldn't want their data to be wiped after ten wrong tries - I mean, wow - that would suck if someone knew that and wanted to be malicious and wipe your phone for the lulz or whatever. Or if you wanted to let a kid play with it - which I've read a lot of people do (beats me, but hey). Other people who need tighter security could choose that.
Any tips on how to bypass or brute force the android pattern lock?
After a certain number of tries, Android will not allow you to unlock via PIN, and force you to enter a Google account registered on the phone.
Hacker can't get past that unless they know whose Google account is on the phone, and then they have to hack a Google account
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I have never thought the android lock screen was any good if im honest. if you have a dirtyish screen you can actually see the pattern you draw.
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What gagdude said, after so many failed attempts you need to login via your associated Google account.
Ty for sharing
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Hmmmm interesting, wonder how long it would take for the pattern method of unlocking.
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Hmmmm interesting, wonder how long it would take for the pattern method of unlocking.
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Depends. A 4 digit PIN is 10*10*10*10=10000
A pattern can be from 9*8*7*6 to 9! possibilities
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Hi!
I just think PIN is unuseful. I was cheated by one of my friend because he discovered the PIN of my phone. I give my phone to nobody no more. Now I have a phone without protection: it is more comfortable!
Put any password /pin, u can just boot into recovery, do a factory reset and it's all gone! Right? (in case of theft I'm talking about)
Thanks for the heads up, my mother in lay asked this about her new Note II today.
Lifehacker7 said:
Put any password /pin, u can just boot into recovery, do a factory reset and it's all gone! Right? (in case of theft I'm talking about)
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As if someone who actually goes low enough to steal know what recovery is.
What I'm trying to say here us that the average person doesn't know what recovery is.
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gagdude said:
As if someone who actually goes low enough to steal know what recovery is.
What I'm trying to say here us that the average person doesn't know what recovery is.
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Just sayin!
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Just sayin!
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I know; I used to worry about this until I asked my friend about it and he was like "what's recovery? Stop being a nerd." And then it hit me: people don't know what it even is, much less how to boot into it
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Yeah, but all but the dumbest theives have the wits to Google search If they have an issue that's in the way of turning a profit (like a lock screen). It's occupational information even if it's not known to "normal" people. You know, like lock picking, hot wiring, et cetera. Not all theives are rock-stupid - and maybe some are, and but they're stealing phones they can't sell at low costs/for meth to someone who in fact does know how to make these devices much more profitable.
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If someone steals my phone he can just flash a new rom on it.
No need to brute force the password/pin unless he's after my personal info/my messages.
Hi,
I noticed today that I can unlock my EU S8+ using any finger in under 10 attempts. Only 3 fingerprints are registered.
The fingerprint scanner can't be that insecure surley?
Anyone else find it that easy to bypass?
No, mine only unlocks with the fingers I have registered
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Dra444 said:
No, mine only unlocks with the fingers I have registered
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Same after 5 attempts it asks for pin in my setup
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Swizzle Firma said:
Hi,
I noticed today that I can unlock my EU S8+ using any finger in under 10 attempts. Only 3 fingerprints are registered.
The fingerprint scanner can't be that insecure surely?
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You must have duplicate fingerprints on those other fingers... which is impossible, but the only explanation for what you are describing.
And don't call me Shirley.
https://youtu.be/KM2K7sV-K74
If you have smart lock enabled you'll see this behavior. I just reproduced this while my device was location smart unlocked. It doesn't occur when the device isn't unlocked from smart lock
I have no Smart Lock enabled.
Swizzle Firma said:
I have no Smart Lock enabled.
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Did you buy this phone used?
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I saw a video of a fake Galaxy S8+ that had a fake fingerprint scanner that only pretended to secure the device but worked with anyone's finger....
Your device is fake
u got fake device... try unlocking with elephants finger,,, phone will unlock surely....
Does the box say 5am5ung instead of Samsung?
Seems like you got a faulty piece
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.vndnguyen.phoneinfo
What does this app say about your phone?
Hmmmm
Heh, not, it's not a fake phone. Was bought new, sim free directly from Samsung
No but seriously, delete your fingerprints that are registered and re-register them. Maybe you had some fault reads 1st pass around.
Hi.
I had the same problem. I could unlock my wifes phone 2 times but only 2 of her fingers are registered. Brand new original Samsung. This really shocked me.
I have been told...lol
That how these systems work is to convert your bodies fingerprint basically into electric energy and then a form of binary code
So if its anything like this It is actually a really insecure system in the means electrical resistance and such as it dont actually read your fingerprint pattern but just converts the ridges and valleys into a electrical signal.....
Its supposed to be more secure than short passwords but still easily circumvented...
As this is not the same type of fingerprint scanner they use to book you at the polices station which does scan the images of your print......
I may be blowin smoke but across many pages of reading this is the conclusion I have come to
This explains some of it
https://www.androidauthority.com/how-fingerprint-scanners-work-670934/