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Hey guys. So I've had the 7500mAh battery for a little while now and felt it was time for the review. So here ya go!
Let me guess:
whole night charging time for original S4 charger,
24h charging time for generic USB ports,
on airport checkpoints everybody thinks it is portable C4 improvised explosive device pretending phone,
when you drop it, than there is no doubts if screen is broken or not - it will be for sure because of heavy weight (high impact force).
Diamond 2 owner said:
Let me guess:
whole night charging time for original S4 charger,
24h charging time for generic USB ports,
on airport checkpoints everybody thinks it is portable C4 improvised explosive device pretending phone,
when you drop it, than there is no doubts if screen is broken or not - it will be for sure because of heavy weight (high impact force).
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lol,
only takes a couple off hours to charge and with this cover i feel much more safe to drop it (or put it in my pocket without taking risk off breaking screen like in other reviews) because off special shock absorbing material wich also goes a little around the front off the phone protecting the front from scratches when lying upside down. This phone feels like a tank now, especially if i add a nano screenprotector
(90gr extra is high impact force allready?)
in airport they have something called scanners wich know the difference between c4 & a battery so no need to worry
Other then that this battery finally makes my phone worth it's money (what is good about a 700 euro phone if the battery is empty after 3 hours driving with google navigate ?)
if you don't like better battery life and extended batterys, it's no problem but don't give fantasy opinions about how you think it will work if you know not much about the subject..
contrinsan said:
lol,
only takes a couple off hours to charge and with this cover i feel much more safe to drop it (or put it in my pocket without taking risk off breaking screen like in other reviews) because off special shock absorbing material wich also goes a little around the front off the phone protecting the front from scratches when lying upside down. This phone feels like a tank now, especially if i add a nano screenprotector
(90gr extra is high impact force allready?)
in airport they have something called scanners wich know the difference between c4 & a battery so no need to worry
Other then that this battery finally makes my phone worth it's money (what is good about a 700 euro phone if the battery is empty after 3 hours driving with google navigate ?)
if you don't like better battery life and extended batterys, it's no problem but don't give fantasy opinions about how you think it will work if you know not much about the subject..
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7500mAh vs. 2600mAh means it is almost tripled. Tripled capacity means tripled charging time. Dead simple physics. Do the math.
90g vs. 130g means it is almost doubled. Doubled weight means doubled kinetic energy, which will have to be dissipated during ground impact. Doubled impact energy means more damage. Dead simple physics.
3 hours driving with google navigate and you forgot about charging port in your vehicle? S4 is not an heavy duty survival device. It was never meant. If you need GPS device for all day skateboard rides look for GARMIN devices.
Yes, sure extra battery life is nice (especially if you are Bear Grylls and need S4 with two week standby time, or teenager and need 24h gaming time). Nobody said it is opposite. Just don't try to pretend, that this solution does not have mentioned drawbacks or looks nice.
Diamond 2 owner said:
7500mAh vs. 2600mAh means it is almost tripled. Tripled capacity means tripled charging time. Dead simple physics. Do the math.
90g vs. 130g means it is almost doubled. Doubled weight means doubled kinetic energy, which will have to be dissipated during ground impact. Doubled impact energy means more damage. Dead simple physics.
3 hours driving with google navigate and you forgot about charging port in your vehicle? S4 is not an heavy duty survival device. It was never meant. If you need GPS device for all day skateboard rides look for GARMIN devices.
Yes, sure extra battery life is nice (especially if you are Bear Grylls and need S4 with two week standby time, or teenager and need 24h gaming time). Nobody said it is opposite. Just don't try to pretend, that this solution does not have mentioned drawbacks or looks nice.
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It's Allah Akbar, not Allahu Akbar. And for your "terrorist" comment, as a muslim, I find it very disrespectful.
Back to topic, extended batteries hardly look nice anyway. But for me, extra battery life means more. The problem is the cases for these don't offer a lot of protector.
Diamond 2 owner said:
7500mAh vs. 2600mAh means it is almost tripled. Tripled capacity means tripled charging time. Dead simple physics. Do the math.
90g vs. 130g means it is almost doubled. Doubled weight means doubled kinetic energy, which will have to be dissipated during ground impact. Doubled impact energy means more damage. Dead simple physics.
3 hours driving with google navigate and you forgot about charging port in your vehicle? S4 is not an heavy duty survival device. It was never meant. If you need GPS device for all day skateboard rides look for GARMIN devices.
Yes, sure extra battery life is nice (especially if you are Bear Grylls and need S4 with two week standby time, or teenager and need 24h gaming time). Nobody said it is opposite. Just don't try to pretend, that this solution does not have mentioned drawbacks or looks nice.
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You might be right about the charging, i don't know how long it takes because it charges when i sleep and it's fully charged when i wake up.
Edit, it's done in less then 4 hours, i don't know how long a stock battery needs ?
Hearing people complain about how a phone looks always makes me smile, a nice looking phone attracts thieves is one thing and we're not talking about a pretty woman that gained too much weight, we're talking about an object that promises us to give us features such as calling, texting, hd screen & hd recording, games, music, camera, the android app store and much more... but came with a battery that laughs in my face when i want to use these features.
I have replaced my gps, mp3player, camera and even my watch a couple off phones ago allready, this worked fine in the past with other phones (nokia n82 & nokia n8 with selfcooked firmware), saves me money and i don't need to take care off 4-5 extra things.
(if i needed a phone only to make some calls i would buy an old 39 dollar nokia symbian phone and have one/two week(s) standby time on 2g)
I also have no wish to buy ugly cables for charging in my car and i hate the need for taking usb-cables or chargers with me everywhere and look for (slow) usb ports or electricity every couple off hours when i am reading an online newspaper on 3G/LTE.. (this is another example of what happens to me if i forgot my charger and needs no reply that i should buy a newspaper
Anyway, so far i've been bragging about the good sides but this battery also has bad sides wich people should think about before buying.
-bluetooth distance between my phone & bluetooth speakers was bad allready in samsung (compared to nokia and i-sheep) & it get's worse with this cover.
-same for mobile connection, dbm goes with this +2 wich means connection get's a little less good.
-sound might sound better, it doesn't get louder, a mod/app for getting louder speaker is almost a must have.
Diamond 2 owner said:
7500mAh vs. 2600mAh means it is almost tripled. Tripled capacity means tripled charging time. Dead simple physics. Do the math.
90g vs. 130g means it is almost doubled. Doubled weight means doubled kinetic energy, which will have to be dissipated during ground impact. Doubled impact energy means more damage. Dead simple physics.
3 hours driving with google navigate and you forgot about charging port in your vehicle? S4 is not an heavy duty survival device. It was never meant. If you need GPS device for all day skateboard rides look for GARMIN devices.
Yes, sure extra battery life is nice (especially if you are Bear Grylls and need S4 with two week standby time, or teenager and need 24h gaming time). Nobody said it is opposite. Just don't try to pretend, that this solution does not have mentioned drawbacks or looks nice.
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Stop trolling.........
I love how the people that don't like extended batteries are so passionate about it. I won't name the other guy that trolled the other thread by name, but I find myself asking if this is his alter ego in this thread, lol!
My 1st Cycle Results
First, lets talk about the results from using the battery. Per the instructions for the best performance you are to go through 5-6 cycles. For this review I only went through one cycle. The instructions also encourage you to leave the phone on the charger for 12hours for its first charge, which I complied.
The result was getting two and half days worth of battery life. Check the video for a full explanation. In short, I have full brightness on most of the time, 4G over WiFi, lots of automatic push notifications, emails pushed and streaming services being used. I would consider myself a heavy user. If you are not a heavy user, you will for sure get better battery life than I.
The TPU case is really tough and is a perfect fit for the battery and phone. There are white and black covers available to choose from. The surface is smooth but not slippery and is pocketable. Cutouts are great. The power and volume controls are covered up and require a little bit more effort to press as if the case was not installed.
The NFC capabilities works great. I tried it out on TYLT NFC Tags stickers and car mount and I had no issues at all.
Overall, for an extended battery with NFC it performed well for me. It was exciting to see two and half days of battery life on a smartphone. That was a first for me. I don’t know if I could use this as a daily driver because the thickness and heaviness got on my nerves at times. I like my devices thin and not as heavy. This battery will definitely get you through the weekend or would be a nice travel companion for anyone not able to charge the device on demand.
Should I try slim extended battery on my new Galaxy S5 G900T? My friend who owns one for his Note 3 from MPJ said it has a bit more power but still fit the original back. How do they get more power in the same size? I don’t expect it is 4300mAh, but at least last 2-3 hrs longer. Maybe I should try it out myself…
ishnum said:
Should I try slim extended battery on my new Galaxy S5 G900T? My friend who owns one for his Note 3 from MPJ said it has a bit more power but still fit the original back. How do they get more power in the same size? I don’t expect it is 4300mAh, but at least last 2-3 hrs longer. Maybe I should try it out myself…
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This shouldn't be a difficult question to reason out for yourself. Do you really think if it was possible to cram 4300mAh into a battery of the same size, Samsung, one of the world's leading tech companies, would be total retards and use a battery with 30% less juice in their flagship phone? use your brain ffs!
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This shouldn't be a difficult question to reason out for yourself. Do you really think if it was possible to cram 4300mAh into a battery of the same size, Samsung, one of the world's leading tech companies, would be total retards and use a battery with 30% less juice in their flagship phone? use your brain ffs!
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and your a likeable guy huh?........... Your so smart your must be an Aerospace Engineer... he was asking a basic question... and BTW..YES... The 3200mAh battery on Ebay lasts longer..So Samsung could have done better but..... They don't make it max capacity in hopes that people will buy extra batteries from them. Be nice and not mean to people asking basic questions.. your a senior member so please act like it.
Martinjv71 said:
and your a likeable guy huh?........... Your so smart your must be an Aerospace Engineer... he was asking a basic question... and BTW..YES... The 3200mAh battery on Ebay lasts longer..So Samsung could have done better but..... They don't make it max capacity in hopes that people will buy extra batteries from them. Be nice and not mean to people asking basic questions.. your a senior member so please act like it.
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I agree :good: :good: :good:
Zamboney said:
This shouldn't be a difficult question to reason out for yourself. Do you really think if it was possible to cram 4300mAh into a battery of the same size, Samsung, one of the world's leading tech companies, would be total retards and use a battery with 30% less juice in their flagship phone? use your brain ffs!
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Actually its more than 50% more capacity, I have no clue where you got 30 from, use your brain ffs!
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Martinjv71 said:
and your a likeable guy huh?........... Your so smart your must be an Aerospace Engineer... he was asking a basic question... and BTW..YES... The 3200mAh battery on Ebay lasts longer..So Samsung could have done better but..... They don't make it max capacity in hopes that people will buy extra batteries from them. Be nice and not mean to people asking basic questions.. your a senior member so please act like it.
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That's wrong as well, not making it higher capacity is hardly going to make people go and buy more batteries from them is it, its going to make people go buy more batteries based on the false advertising from the likes of MPJ. And while I am on the object, I would love to know how the hell they get away with claiming the mAh that they claim on these things because it's plainly obvious without even going near one of the batteries that it isn't possible.
What WOULD make people go buy more Samsung batteries is if they had a 'premium' higher capacity version and sold it for a higher price. People would fall over themselves to buy it and Samsung would make a killing. Since they have never done this, I suspect it's highly likely that although it may be possible to squeeze a bit more out of the same size, the methods in doing so mean the battery is less stable, less reliable, and doesn't work for as long, as seen in all the batteries like this from Anker to MPJ.
Now what WOULD be interesting is a battery that is physically larger and takes up the space used by the water proofing. So you lose the waterproofing but gain a big chunk of battery power, now that I think IS possible, it just needs someone with the foresight to produce it. There are many people, myself included, who aren't the slightest bit interested in the waterproofing because we don't plan on dropping it down the toilet or into the bath every 5 minutes so would gladly sacrifice this for a nice bump in battery life.
I always buy extra batteries for my phones. Note 1, Note 2, S4, and now the S5.
I have yet to see a battery that was the same size as OEM and had higher capacity. Anker had one that I tried that had I think 100ma higher capacity, but when I placed the battery in my phone it was a tighter fit. So really in my books it was a bigger battery.
I am not saying its not possible to get higher capacity than OEM in a slim battery, but I have not come across a slim battery that met lofty claims yet. For this reason, I now tend to stick to an OEM battery as I can trust that it will operate in a predictable manner. Add in the waterproofing seal on the current S5, I would try my best to stick with a battery that maintains OEM dimensions.
Sorry for the thread necromancy!
I know this is blatant thread necromancy but the viewpoints left here are skewed at best.
I am what you would call a vaper. I work for a company that thrives on making and selling electronic cigarette juice. i also get to see how LI-ION Cells have evolved as LI-ION and LIPO cells are choice for our devices albeit more commonly in a tube cell form.
I have seen both 18650 and 26650 cell specs explode over the last year and to discount innovation and advancement in favor of an ideal that it will always be the same is rather preposterous. It all depends upon what is crammed into the housing. I have seen 2Ah 26650 cells with a 30a load rating and 6 months later here comes a 4.2Ah cell sporting 40a continuous with 60a 7 second pulse rating. I got to torture test these new cells as a daily vape as well as the old. The new cells were clearly head and shoulders above the old. Lipos are the same way. I have a cell pack in a 2s1p config that sports 4.2ah with a 65c/130c+ rating.
i'll spell the lipo bit out. A c rating in the lipo world can be used to find your ah rating. 65*4.2=273 continuous run amp load.
130*4.2=546 max pulse amp load.
the 2s1p stands for 1 pack of 2 cells wired in series for a nominal voltage of 7.4 (8.4 when fully charged.)
The point is the size of this pack is very small and packs a wallop compared to other lipo packs that have the same ratings but are larger in physical size. My pack however is top of the line from one of the most well known and reputable cell pack makers. The others are knock offs.
To cut it short perhaps the OEM LI-ION packs in our phones are the same way. Perhaps the OEM packs are of knock off make and the 4200mah packs that have been found are more efficient and of better quality. With the way phones are phasing out expandable storage in favor of "data hogging" cloud storage (which mind you opens you to risk of EXPENSIVE data overages) i would't be surprised to see our precious little phone companies like samsung and LG and others using cut corner tactics. Until i see actual usage and testing with results on a graph, i wouldn't pass judgement. You might just get your mind blown like i do just about every other day.
Technology is an ever evolving creature and it's simply FASCINATING to sit back and watch it all take new form and make our lives better.
again i apologize for the thread necromancy but there were key pieces of information missing with a mindset of bash the newcomer. For the price i'm game to try it for sure!
If i have offended anyone i apologize in advance and assure you that in no way am i out to cause any drama or hurt feelings.
As a matter of fact i'm off to study these mpj packs to see how people feel. Just might find myself a graph full of information as well!
Cheers!
"I like this phone, but I wish the battery wasn't so big."
"It's such a convenience to carry around a charger and data cable."
"This iPhone lasts forever on a charge!"
3 phrases you'll never hear anybody utter.
The phone news sites for the last day or so have reported that Motorola has filed to trademark the name "Droid Maxx", and rumors for a "Maxx" version of the Moto X or X+1 (or could be a G). For those that don't know, the Maxx line of Motorolas are thicker than their slimmer counterparts, packed with huge batteries. 3300mAh for the Razr Maxx and HD Maxx, 3500 for the Droid Maxx. And apart from a HSPA version of the original Razr Maxx (XT910), they're exclusive to Verizon in the USA.
But why is this so uncommon? Why are there so few phones that come with bigger batteries? Big enough to power the huge screens phones have these days, and the power-hungry processors inside? And why are so many companies going with non-replaceable batteries? Even on some phones with removable backs like the Moto line and the OnePlus One, where you can see and touch the battery, it's not replaceable.
There are a couple reasons I can think of why manufacturers are leaning towards non-replaceable batteries. One is construction. By making the battery integral, you can shave a layer or two of plastic, making the phone thinner or making the battery bigger. It can also make the phone more solid, or at least feel solid. A HTC One, Sony Z2, or iPhone certainly feels like a more solid and high-quality device than a Samsung Galaxy with a flimsy battery cover. And face it, nobody likes chasing down a flying battery cover when they drop their phone, hoping it didn't break the cover or the little tabs that hold it in place.
The other reason is so the user can't replace the battery. Every so often, you'll see on the news sites a story about a Samsung Galaxy phone catching fire or exploding. The reason is always the same: cheap/knockoff/counterfeit batteries. Or maybe it was a cheap charger (as is the case anytime somebody's gets toasted). But by at least preventing the battery from being replaced, they can prevent you from buying a $5 battery from China off eBay.
I suppose planned obsolescence could be a reason too. Li-ion and Li-po batteries have a life of a few hundred cycles. But there's only a few hundred days in a year, and phones often get charged more than once a day. So that means most of our batteries turn to crap and degrade after about a year, give or take. And if you can't replace the $10-20 battery, you have to replace your multi-hundred-dollar phone, or at least spend a bunch to get it repaired (if you don't want to do it yourself, or don't realize that you probably can).
But here's the thing: bigger batteries last longer. That might sound like an obvious statement, but it's not just about how long a charge it'll hold. The bigger a battery, the lower the internal resistance is. That means it degrades slower over time. Combined with requiring less charge cycles, it takes longer to degrade over time. Lower internal resistance also means a bigger battery is more efficient. A jump from 2000mAh to 3000mAh isn't just a a 50% increase in capacity, but a more than 50% increase in actual runtime on a charge.
So why can't we get bigger batteries in our phones? Is thin really that in? For example, look at the Droid Ultra and Droid Maxx. The Ultra is pretty dang thin at 0.28" (7.18mm), vs the still fairly svelte Droid Maxx at .33" (8.5mm). Plus about an ounce (30g) in weight. But the Maxx has a massive 3500mAh vs an anemic 2130mAh on the Ultra. That's a 64% increase in capacity, and it without making much of an extra burden in your pocket.
I'm not saying that everybody should follow my opinion and start asking for fatter phones - maybe you want/need something as svelte as possible. All I'm saying is that I want the option of having a bigger battery, or at least a replaceable one. I'm increasingly less and less a fan of Samsung, but at least they're keeping with replaceable batteries. And if you pick up a popular one (Galaxy S series, Note), you can pick up an battery/case like Zerolemon or if not something that fat (with 8500-10000mAh batteries), there are slimmer options. Other popular devices might have cases with built-in batteries, but that's just not the same (plus they're fat and longer as well). And carrying around a charger/cord is an annoyance as is one of those battery blocks or whatever they're called.
Manufacturers are also touting their software that has so-called ultra-power saving modes, but that's just not the same thing (since if you need to use the mode, you're also not using your phone). And it's no substitute for simply cramming a bigass battery in the phone.
I'll conclude my musings with a story - a true one.
In November I was forced to walk home from work because of a flat tire. Rather than walking down a main road, I went down a side-road (it was quicker) that wasn't well lit. Tucson isn't really a city, it's more a big town, so it wasn't like I was walking down a sketchy alley like you see in a movie. It was just a road through a residential area. Right by a highschool. Long story short, I got jumped by 2 guys, beat up and stabbed in the abdomen. I'll spare the details (it wasn't cinematic - I got my ass kicked and couldn't fight back). I tried calling the 911, but touchscreens don't work when covered in blood. A passer-by called for me, and help was on the way.
At this point in time, I got my phone to respond, and I called my parents. My phone was a Motorola Droid Razr Maxx, and it's beefy 3300mAh battery was at 69% after a 11 hour shift at work, which included texting my boss and complaining about not having enough help, and complaining on Facebook about how much my day was sucking (little did I know...). By the time I called my parents again and my boss to let him know what happened, my phone was down to 63%. All the police left me with was my phone, keys and wallet. It should have occured to me to ask for my charger (and work clothes - they cut all mine off and put them in evidence) from my backpack, but hey, I just stabbed and the crap kicked out of me and wasn't thinking very clearly.
I spent the night in the hospital, during which I used my phone to text and FB to let my friends and family know what happened (and to check every few minutes for "get well" messages). By the time a friend brought me my backpack (which the cops were nice enough to drop off at my work for me), my battery was at 9%.
The point is you can't always rely on having a charger or a spare battery when you need one. And I don't mean "need" as in you want to charge it because you're on a hot streak on a game, or you have to go into a power-saving mode. I mean need it. That's why I want bigger batteries in phones and more phones with them. On a side-note, it's a good idea to memorize a few important phone numbers (friends/family/work), because you might not even have your phone when the worst happens, or you have it but the battery completely dies.
And BTW, I'm fine. Went home that evening, was up and about in 2 days and back at work a week after. I was very lucky. Cops never found the guys though.
I much prefer a power bank. Granted my first instinct used to be get a larger, high capacity battery and a case to fit it in..
But then my flip cover became important to me, so I ended up with a power bank.. and actually I'm much happier and more mobile this way.
I either prefer a phone that is really power efficient or has a huge battery
Lol love the Sir Mixalot reference
I just replaced the batteries in my HTC One V (which is a "non-replaceable" one). After viewing a youtube video that showed the procedure I was able to do it during 15 minutes.
I think this is not much time for 2 years of usage. Why would I want to remove the battery? A removable battery requires extra room for an elsewhere unneeded cover.
Even if I don't want to do it myself I could spent the 30$ for the replacement by a professional or I would buy a new phone because a two year old model is no longer powerful enough...
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Why would I want to remove the battery?
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To pop in a fresh spare, duh.
I have 2 phones at the moment. A Samsung Galaxy Light and a Nexus 4. The Galaxy Light has a 1800mAh battery. Pretty small, but so is the phone. But it's replaceable, so I bought a spare. I only recently got the Nexus 4, 2nd hand. Replaced a broken screen, and while I was at it, I put a brand new battery in. It wasn't difficult, but it's not exactly something you can do on-the-fly, or would want to. Being stuck with the internal battery, I'm toying with custom kernels to maximize battery life.
If you read my whole post, including my sob story, you'll understand my point is that your best plans and intentions are probably going to be thrown out the window when the SHTF. You won't always have a charger, or a spare battery, or your power bank. When in the hospital, I asked the nurses/orderlies if anyone could lend me a charger, even for a brief time, but they all had iPhones.
Too many phones have smallish batteries because people want thin phones, and there aren't enough options available for those that want phones with bigger batteries. The point is that you never know when you might need extra time from your phone, be it an unexpectedly long day at work, a broken-down car on a road trip, or an overnight stay at Hotel Liverstab.
I don't want to insist in my point but even a large battery will be empty in the moment you will need it. That's murphys law...
You are right, bigger batteries would be better but people want tiny phones with giant screens and endless running times and tremendous computing/gaming power. All of them is simply not possible. So constructors ask their marketing departements what to do. And _most_ people can live with existing solutions.
I think if you search hard you will find somewhere a "survival phone" with a hand crank like this :
http://www.dx.com/p/dynamo-hand-crank-usb-cell-phone-emergency-charger-24036#.U-DHpERceVk included. :silly:
Good thread and I agree completely. The only issue I have with your reasoning is that there ARE large battery, high spec phones on the market. But phones have become like jewelry and practical considerations aren't a priority for most users (cough, cough...... The iPhone). The trend towards thinner phones is driven by looks, ego and trendiness since that's what the majority of smartphone users (iPhone type teens and housewives) are looking for. The Huawei Honor 6 isn't the best looking phone on the market but at 5 inches fhd, a massive 3100mah battery, superb processor, dual sim half the price of comparable phones and only 7.5mm thick you would think it would outsell everything. But it probably won't once it becomes widely available. life teaches us otherwise. After all, what use is Kim Kardashian outside of the bedroom? But she seems to be doing ok!
Galaxy S3 with 4400mAh
I have a Galaxy S3, I bought it since the release day (2 years now). I bought also a 4400mAh battery from amazon, and guys, this battery is amazing.
I travel a for my job, I spend on the plane more than 8 hours and I can use the phone without worry about the battery (and also I always carry on with me the original battery), when I am not traveling I use waze to drive to the office that is 30 minutes away from my home without traffic and I use toghether with waze when I am driving Google Music. Sometimes I play plant vs zombies 2, whatsapp, twitter, facebook, evernote, BBM, etc. At the end of the day my battery usually is 15%.
The only inconvenient is the cover, because the battery is bigger, and need another cover, this cover is now broken after 2 years and I need to stick it with some tape hahaha. It does not look to nice but I prefer to have this battery than the original one.
I would happily use a thicker phone if it meant longer batter life and better battery efficiency. My GS3 got about 3 hours of screen-on time when the battery was new. I'd happily have a thicker phone if I could get 8-9 hours SoT out of it.
i Agree, but just in case i have a power bank for my Huawei P1.
Personally I don't mind batteries that drain quickly by XDA's standards. I generally don't use my phone on a continuous loop very much and it's very rare that I'm not around a charging device. So I guess I'd fall in the "give me slimmer" camp. I like my phones to be slim and light over bulky and heavy.
I don't think bigger batteries are the long term solution. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a battery as large as a screen fit into a phone form-factor, but I think there are still LOTS of gains to be made in software optimization.
IMO, one of the reasons why Linux typically has inferior battery life compared to Windows / Mac is with patents. Google has made steady improvements with Android, but I think if Android was as efficient as iOS we would hardly be complaining about 2800/3100 mAH batteries.
xperia z3c kinda broke the taboo of usual 1 day crap battery , i hope manufacturers follow sony;s trend and for once dont compromise on battery
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I read the title as i like big butts
Does anyone else here see a clear trend for phone manufacturers deliberately diverging from customer wants and needs when introducing new phones/features?
Here are three examples of seemingly irreversible trends that an awful lot of people DON'T WANT:
- Non-replaceable batteries - I've NEVER had a smartphone battery that lasted all day, or a smartphone battery that wasn't shot after about 18 months. Why should I need to buy a new phone every 18-24 months just to get around this, when newer phones typically offer such marginal improvements over their predecessors? I'm currently using a 2 year old LG G5 (WITH a removable battery), and I have no need of the marginal improvements offered by the G6, G7 or any of the other current handsets. I'll just replace the battery when it no longer retains enough charge for my use. I also have absolutely no need for a waterproof phone (which is one of the most common arguments made for sealing a battery into a phone).
- Glass backs - these are marketed as more attractive but basically they are guaranteed to smash within months of purchasing a phone, requiring the customer to buy another phone, which benefits nobody but the phone manufacturer
- Disappearing 3.5mm headphone sockets - even if Bluetooth "always worked", and never randomly disconnected, why would I want to rely on remembering to keep a pair of wireless headphones charged at all times? It's hard enough making sure that my phone retains enough charge (particularly as its battery will drain more quickly if it's connected to a Bluetooth headset). Why not just give us a CHOICE?
In short, phone manufacturers are cynically looking for new ways to force customers to replace their phones or invest in new hardware more frequently than they would like. While they have an obvious motivation, I was wondering how the masses could make their voices heard in a protest against the cynical product evolution cycles of the big manufacturers?
Would anyone else here like to send a loud message back to them that they are flying in the face of their customers' wishes by cynically forcing these technology or design "advances" on them?
if you get everything you want in a phone, then you'll never want to buy a new one. They make money by selling you their new product
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if you get everything you want in a phone, then you'll never want to buy a new one. They make money by selling you their new product
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Yes that was the "obvious motivation" that I was referring to. I was just wondering what might happen if the masses spoke back with a loud voice to say that they're not happy with it. Apart from everything else, their current policy means that an unnecessary number of discarded phones will finish up in landfill every year, when their owners would really rather have kept them.
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Yes that was the "obvious motivation" that I was referring to. I was just wondering what might happen if the masses spoke back with a loud voice to say that they're not happy with it. Apart from everything else, their current policy means that an unnecessary number of discarded phones will finish up in landfill every year, when their owners would really rather have kept them.
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Well I did hang onto my Note 4 until it wouldn't take a charge anymore. Then I replaced the charging port and it still wouldn't charge. I'm sure a lot of people are using old phones with removable batteries like the note 4 still
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if you get everything you want in a phone, then you'll never want to buy a new one. They make money by selling you their new product
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Well I did hang onto my Note 4 until it wouldn't take a charge anymore. Then I replaced the charging port and it still wouldn't charge. I'm sure a lot of people are using old phones with removable batteries like the note 4 still
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Yes - I use an old G5 and my wife uses an old Note 4, and we both intend to keep replacing the batteries in them until either (a) the phone dies or (b) a new phone comes along which has a new feature that we actually want/need. The problem is that I don't see any new phones that offer anything new that I want or need - they are all a regression from my current handset because of the lack of a removable battery, glass back or lack of 3.5mm headphone socket.
Offhand I can't think of any other market where manufacturers can get away with making their products less and less appealing to customers with every new release, while effectively giving customers no choice but to purchase them (because of the short lifespan of their existing battery).
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Yes - I use an old G5 and my wife uses an old Note 4, and we both intend to keep replacing the batteries in them until either (a) the phone dies or (b) a new phone comes along which has a new feature that we actually want/need. The problem is that I don't see any new phones that offer anything new that I want or need - they are all a regression from my current handset because of the lack of a removable battery, glass back or lack of 3.5mm headphone socket.
Offhand I can't think of any other market where manufacturers can get away with making their products less and less appealing to customers with every new release, while effectively giving customers no choice but to purchase them (because of the short lifespan of their existing battery).
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not to mention IR blaster is gone from most new handsets. Such a cool feature to have.
I ended up getting a Sony Xperia XA2.. which is decent, although it does lack a few things I miss from my note 4. Mainly the camera doesn't do very well in low lighting.. I guess because it's a midrange. For gaming though, I'd say it's similar, and with a 3300 mAh battery, it does seem to be lasting decently the past 3 months or so I've had it.
I had one of those battery cases for my note 4 with like a 11800 mAh battery ?
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not to mention IR blaster is gone from most new handsets. Such a cool feature to have.
I ended up getting a Sony Xperia XA2.. which is decent, although it does lack a few things I miss from my note 4. Mainly the camera doesn't do very well in low lighting.. I guess because it's a midrange. For gaming though, I'd say it's similar, and with a 3300 mAh battery, it does seem to be lasting decently the past 3 months or so I've had it.
I had one of those battery cases for my note 4 with like a 11800 mAh battery
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Ah yes IR - another feature that I like and use but which is disappearing, presumably on the grounds that it's too useful for customers. Many's the time I've needed to use my phone when the TV remote in the hotel was missing or broken.
I've also had a few of those battery cases (sadly not available for my G5 though). Big clonking things but it was often preferable to a dead battery at 5pm or a dodgy cable connection to a battery pack in my pocket.
Everywhere I go I see poor suffering phone users desperate to top up their depleted batteries via whatever method they can, and the phone manufacturers simply look the other way and focus on the really important stuff like waterproofing and wireless headsets. How can we get them to get their heads out of their a*ses?
This is a very healthy discussion for me. I got answers to some questions which already in my mind. Yes, A phone doesn't have everything which anyone wants to have on it.
MY PERSONAL COMPLAINTS & REVIEW OF THE HUAWEI MATE 20 X
This is my personal take of the huawei mate 20X which I provide as a cautionary note to potential buyers. This is an honest critique of a phone I owned for little over a month. For comparison sake I own the samsung a70 and used that to gauge the phone's overall value. Last month I bought it going in with the mindset that the big screen and its features would be cool as hell. I was wrong.
Online I purchased it for $590. My first impression when I unboxed it was I felt horrified. The phone is monster big. It made me a bit uneasy to think that the heavy weight coupled with its sheer size would make for a perfect shattered screen in time. As I handled it I was on edge that it would fall which made me feel somewhat insecure. But after a while I got used to the size and it fit my pockets although the top protrudes out a bit. After toying with it I felt I had to always be aware that it might fall so I used extra precaution while it was on my person, but it was no biggie.
BATTERY
The first thing that constantly bothered me about the phone was the battery which is 5000 mah. The first thing I made sure to do was to put this baby into airplane mode, turn off bt and location and just keep wifi on. Also, I made sure of turning off background activity in the settings on the grand majority of apps not to mention uninstalling unwanted apps.
You might at first glance think, "wow 5000 mah, amazing I'll buy it right away!" Hold your horses buddy. Just because a phone has a big battery doesnt necessarily mean it will perform like a big battery champ. An example of this is when I charged the phone to 100% one morning. I read email, went on youtube for 10 minutes, surfed the net and made one call that lasted 2 minutes. This whole session lasted 20 minutes. The battery drained to 87%, I kid you not! Another example is when I charged it to 100% one night. After 3 hours of idleness, not picking it up or doing anything to it, the battery read a disconcerting 96%. How in god's name is that possible on 5000 mah after I disabled many apps and killed many more running in the background?? By comparison my samsung a70 which has a 4500 mah battery beats the mate 20X big time in battery. After I put the a70 through the ringer with the above same session in the same amount of time the battery showed a pleasing 97%. A user on xda commented that his mate 20x's battery is slightly (keyword, slightly) better than his samsung s9 which has a 4100 mah battery. Now youre seeing the bigger picture.
UI
The UI is the 2nd worst thing about this phone. It looks like Ice Cream - heavily outdated and disappointing. Though it navigates fast through menus, the app drawer cant be accessed by swiping from the bottom as in most phones today with Pie which is installed on this phone out the box. Even though you have an option for that feature its clumsy and not pretty.
SCREEN RESOLUTION & COLOR
Another bone of contention is the screen resolution. It looks good. But when compared to modern phones like my a70 which is very sharp it falls short. Of course the screen is large which "thins out" pixel density making it less crisp. Thats understandable. But it disappoints when juxtaposing it with sharper phones.
Color is not well calibrated even though it's set to vivid by default. Red apparently dominates the other colors which makes the reds stand out too much. Perhaps a tweak in the settings would do the trick? But with a phone debuted at $1000 you would think huawei would have the experience by now to fix that. Completely inexcusable. The samsung a70's vivid color depth blows the mate 20x out of the water.
SOUND
The sound volume and quality are quite loud and amazing respectively. The best I've ever heard in any smartphone. Huawei did a good job in this dept. But there's no way to toggle dolby atmos off unfortunately. Battery charging is fast, no complaints. Stereo is a huge plus!
GAMES AND VIDEO
For some unknown twisted reason, given the above complaints, playing games on this phone lasted a long time in battery. Playing asphalt 9 for 15 minutes drained only 4 - 5%. Same thing with playing videos. An hour of youtube drained only 6%. Very good but strange given its battery drains in other areas.
OVERALL & MY ADVICE
My great question in all this is, why the hell arent people complaining about these issues?? Battery is not efficient, the UI looks ugly and feels way outdated, the colors are off, resolution isnt as sharp as on other phones and its a bit heavy. To be perfectly honest, with all these faults the phone is worth $460, not $650 which is the lowest price as a new item selling on amazon at the time of this writing. Without any of these issues the phone would be perfect.
For those considering buying this phone take great heed of the aforementioned before you fork over 7 tall bills for it that later on you might regret. Dont be easily fooled by rave reviews of owners of the phone on xda either. Many will exaggerate it because theyre blinded by its large size. Likewise, dont be easily fooled by tech reviews elsewhere like those found on zdnet. Some of them are actually written by paid reviewers who will intentionally gloss over a product, ignoring its faults to satisfy ad revenue.
Yo - I'll bite.
I like your post. Although I am only a senior member too. I don't think that means I am anywhere near qualified to do anything more than pontificate and slander. Basically, all that means is that I have been lucky enough to experience help from other waaaay more knowledgeable people than myself.
It amazes me that none of us have anywhere near the same experience as each other. ok - i have had a wine or two and the last ime that happened I started the worst rated thread in the house. https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-20-x/how-to/goodbye-huawei-phone-t3965177/page3#post80500435
COMPLAINTS & REVIEW OF THE HUAWEI MATE 20 X
This is my personal take of the huawei mate 20X which I provide as a cautionary note to potential buyers. This is an honest critique of a phone I owned for little over a month. For comparison sake I own the samsung a70 and used that to gauge the phone's overall value. Last month I bought it going in with the mindset that the big screen and its features would be cool as hell. I was wrong.
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I haven't owned a Samsung since the S8+ - I loved it, but the battery was nowhere near what they said it was for me. I wonder if it was because I have to use a VPN 80% of the time to access Google services. (in China - Lucky/unlucky me). How do I know that you are not some sort of Samsung plant? A70 can't be as awesome as this phone, can it?
Online I purchased it for $590. My first impression when I unboxed it was I felt horrified. The phone is monster big. It made me a bit uneasy to think that the heavy weight coupled with its sheer size would make for a perfect shattered screen in time. As I handled it I was on edge that it would fall which made me feel somewhat insecure. But after a while I got used to the size and it fit my pockets although the top protrudes out a bit. After toying with it I felt I had to always be aware that it might fall so I used extra precaution while it was on my person, but it was no biggie.
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I'm a big guy. I like the size. I like everything about the size. Yes, if you don't want a big phone - go to something else.
BATTERY
The first thing that constantly bothered me about the phone was the battery which is 5000 mah. The first thing I made sure to do was to put this baby into airplane mode, turn off bt and location and just keep wifi on. Also, I made sure of turning off background activity in the settings on the grand majority of apps not to mention uninstalling unwanted apps.
ok - I have no idea why this is the way it is for you. I have NEVER experienced a battery experience like this in sooooo ****ing many phones. So many times that famous African American on youtube - you know who - would tell me that 'this' phone's battery life was the best. And so many times I'd get let down (never more so than the Huawei Nexus 6P. Damn I loved that phone, but damn that battery sucked). Anyway, Now-a-days I can accidentally leave my camera or torch on and it DOES NOT MATTER. This thing is a battery wizard ... for me. THe AL00 in china with Veeeeepeeeee-ENNNN
You might at first glance think, "wow 5000 mah, amazing I'll buy it right away!" Hold your horses buddy. Just because a phone has a big battery doesnt necessarily mean it will perform like a big battery. An example of this is when I charged the phone to 100% one morning. I read email, went on youtube for 10 minutes, surfed the net and made one call that lasted 2 minutes. This whole session lasted 20 minutes. The battery drained to 87%, I kid you not! Another example is when I charged it to 100% one night. After 3 hours of idleness, not picking it up or doing anything to it, the battery read a disconcerting 96%. How in god's name is that possible on 5000 mah after I disabled many apps and killed many more running in the background?? My samsung a70 which has a 4500 mah battery beats the mate 20X big time in battery. After I put the a70 through the ringer with the above same session in the same amount of time the battery showed 97%. A user on xda commented that his mate 20x's battery is slightly (keyword, slightly) better than his samsung s9 which has a 4100 mah battery. Now youre seeing the bigger picture.
I have NEVER been more impressed by a smart phone. I get a day and a bit an dI am a HEAVY user. Not sure why your phone life is ****, but I wish I knew why.
UI
The UI is the 2nd worst thing about this phone. It looks heavily outdated like Ice Cream or Kit Kat. Very disappointing. Though it navigates fast through menus, the app drawer cant be accessed by swiping from the bottom. Even though you have an option for that feature its
I actually really like EMUI despite my bashing in numerous threads. I especially like the gestures. I am even unsure if I could go back to Nova ... but the fact I can't, ****s me off more than anything. The worst and second-worst and third-worst thing about this phone is the lack of accessibility to a launcher. Damn -that is frustrating and I want to elbow all the EVR dudes right in the GD nose for their insistence that the phone is awesome!
SCREEN RESOLUTION
Another bone of contention is the screen resolution. It looks good. But when compared to modern phones like my a70 which is very sharp it falls short. Of course the screen is large which "thins out" pixel density making it less crisp. Thats understandable. But it disappoints when juxtaposing it to sharper phones.
Nah man - in my opinion, the phone's resolution is pretty good. You sure you don't work for Samsung?
SOUND & BATTERY
The sound volume and quality are quite loud and amazing respectively. The best I've ever come across in any smartphone. Huawei did a good job in this dept. But there's no way to toggle dolby atmos off unfortunately. Battery charging is fast, no complaints. Stereo is a huge plus!
You're probably right, but I couldn't give a toss about this as I mostly use Bluetooth ear. Speakers have been handy once ort twice, but essentially, I have never used the jack. Also I have no clue what the **** is Atmos - I am a philistine when it comes to musique.
GAMES AND VIDEO
For some unknown twisted reason, given the above complaints, playing games on this phone lasted a long time. Playing asphalt 9 for 15 minutes drained only 4 - 5%. Same thing with playing videos. An hour of youtube drained only 6%. Very good but strange given its battery drains in other areas.
Think you are right with this. I seem to be able to set my son up on math prodigy and t4each your monster how to read and it lasts a zillion times longer than when I use the old huawei 6P.
OVERALL & MY ADVICE clumsy and not pretty.
My great question in all this is, why the hell arent people complaining about these issues?? Battery is not efficient, the UI looks ugly and feels way outdated, resolution isnt as sharp as on other phones and its a bit heavy. To be perfectly honest, with all these faults the phone is worth $460, not $650 which is the lowest price as a new item on amazon at the time of this writing. Without any of these issues the phone would be perfect.
It is worth it, in my opinion if you live outside of China and can get the EVA version and you don't need heaps of mem or a dual sim. I need a dual sim, heaps of mem, and I live in China. Therefore it has completely sucked owning the most amazing phone EVER.
For those considering buying this phone take great heed of the aforementioned before you fork over 7 tall bills for it that later on you might regret. Dont be easily fooled by rave reviews of owners of the phone on xda. Many will exaggerate it because theyre blinded by its large size. Likewise, dont be easily fooled by tech reviews elsewhere like those found on zdnet. Some of them are actually written by paid reviewers who will intentionally gloss over a product, ignoring its faults to satisfy ad revenue.
Nah dude ... It is a solid phone. I also got my wife off Apple with the mate 20 pro. These are the best phones - period. Sady though, big business and government dictate otherwise.
HUAWEI... CAN YOU PLEASE LET ME UNLOCK MY BOOTLOADER FFS
That was me who mentioned about the battery drain being slightly better on the mate 20X , it was in relation to my s10+.
The S10+ screen is smaller at 6.4", screen on time battery drain would be greater with a larger panel regardless of battery capacity as we all know. It's all relative.
My ideal goal is 0.9 - 0.4% per hour idle drain or less. Which I get on the Mate 20X , similar to my s10+. The mate 20X larger battery provides greater in between charges when device is in idle and screen off and a slightly better SOT time with screen on than my S10+.
As we all know battery drain % has nothing to do with battery capacity. Drain is drain, regardless. I use GSAM and Accubattery Pro on all my devices to measure SOT and idle drain amongst other things. One other important point is that battery drain on same given device can be completely different to someone elses same device. There are many variables that come into play in regards to battery drain. Hence why there are users of s10+ devices that complain their battery drains faster whereby others post 10 hours plus screen on time. The S10 plus is a mere example, change the device name and it's the same scenario on other device forums on XDA.
As for YouTube reviews for phones in general, I've came to find out a while ago that most are fake. YouTube influencers are given the device for free for favourable reviews.
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s327374 said:
I like your post. Although I am only a senior member too. I don't think that means I am anywhere near qualified to do anything more than pontificate and slander. Basically, all that means is that I have been lucky enough to experience help from other waaaay more knowledgeable people than myself.
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Thats fine I dont expect anyone to know more than anyone else. There are no absolutes here just relative critiques.
How do I know that you are not some sort of Samsung plant? A70 can't be as awesome as this phone, can it?
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What would I or samsung gain from a phone made for the asian market if I were a secret samsung agent based in USA on an english-based website? The samsung a70 is the only phone at my disposal with which to compare the mate 20x.
ok - I have no idea why this is the way it is for you. I have NEVER experienced a battery experience like this in sooooo ****ing many phones. So many times that famous African American on youtube - you know who - would tell me that 'this' phone's battery life was the best. And so many times I'd get let down (never more so than the Huawei Nexus 6P. Damn I loved that phone, but damn that battery sucked). Anyway, Now-a-days I can accidentally leave my camera or torch on and it DOES NOT MATTER.
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Did you actually read or just scan through the battery paragraph? I specifically explained how I set up my phone. Battery life again compared to the a70 leaves much to be desired. Why it went from 100% to 96% in 3 hours with everything turned off is completely inexcusable. As for the black guy in youtube, we dont know how HE set up his phone. Keep in mind that the mate 20x mustve been his 1st 5000 mah battery phone which came out last year at the time of his review when very few phones within that same period had the same mah capacity. This is why you cant judge a phone without comparing it to other phones. I actually tested the phone with the a70 on several occasions, being careful to take notes of observed changes in battery. Just to let you know, two phones from different companies with the same battery capacity will ALWAYS perform differently in terms of battery. This is irrefutable fact.
I actually really like EMUI despite my bashing in numerous threads. I especially like the gestures. I am even unsure if I could go back to Nova ... but the fact I can't, ****s me off more than anything.
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I cant qualify your response as to the UI since you prefer a 1971 chevy when we're driving 2018 ferraris. What I can comment on is that I think the L29 version can install launchers. But I'm not 100% sure on that so dont quote me for assurance.
Nah man - in my opinion, the phone's resolution is pretty good. You sure you don't work for Samsung?
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Yeah it looks like this is the only phone you may have owned. Not sure but thats what it sounds like to me. Reviewers have also entered the same judgement as to its resolution.
Nah dude ... It is a solid phone.
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Never said it wasnt a solid phone. Its just not a perfectly solid 10 out of 10. Its plagued with issues serious companies arent foolish enough to make which should have been ironed out before huawei released it. Premium should be premium especially at premium price, no excuses.
Chinese phone makers are not in the habit of being keen on quality control and are slow to correct mistakes. They think they can just slap together a phone with high end specs through cheap labor as their corp revenue goal, throw it in the consumer's face like a doggy treat and expect them to bite. Thats not how you make customers happy. You keep them satisfied through constant and consistent quality control which the chinese have historically lacked for a long time in their product cycles. But admittingly they are getting better at it; in that sense I give them credit where credit is due. But china is still no korea at least not yet. The mate 20x issues are to the mate 20x what chinese companies are to customers. If china would have made a strong effort to make phones amazing in all respects they could have single-handedly put a major dent in apple, lg and samsung by now.
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That was me who mentioned about the battery drain being slightly better on the mate 20X , it was in relation to my s10+.
The S10+ screen is smaller at 6.4", screen on time battery drain would be greater with a larger panel regardless of battery capacity as we all know. It's all relative.
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Oh yes I remember now, it was you. Appreciate that info you confirmed. However I mistakenly said it was your s9 when it was actually your s10+. I stand corrected.
As we all know battery drain % has nothing to do with battery capacity. Drain is drain, regardless. I use GSAM and Accubattery Pro on all my devices to measure SOT and idle drain amongst other things. One other important point is that battery drain on same given device can be completely different to someone elses same device. There are many variables that come into play in regards to battery drain. Hence why there are users of s10+ devices that complain their battery drains faster whereby others post 10 hours plus screen on time.
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Thats exactly what I surmised in my review. Battery capacity means nothing. It doesnt matter how big a battery is; its how efficiently the phone utilizes the voltage and how the software is able to tie in everything together, hardware and software wise.
As for YouTube reviews for phones in general, I've came to find out a while ago that most are fake. YouTube influencers are given the device for free for favourable reviews.
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Yes you are correct. It is very unfortunate that we still cant get unfiltered honest reviews despite the "free" internet environment.
Isn't it strange that we have experiences with the phone, and yet we are both ultimately unhappy with the outcome. I am frustrated, you are disappointed.
We are like the odd couple of Huawei owners.
Except, you know, we aren't really a couple...
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Yo - I'll bite.
I like your post. Although I am only a senior member too. I don't think that means I am anywhere near qualified to do anything more than pontificate and slander. Basically, all that means is that I have been lucky enough to experience help from other waaaay more knowledgeable people than myself.
It amazes me that none of us have anywhere near the same experience as each other. ok - i have had a wine or two and the last ime that happened I started the worst rated thread in the house. https://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-20-x/how-to/goodbye-huawei-phone-t3965177/page3#post80500435
COMPLAINTS & REVIEW OF THE HUAWEI MATE 20 X
This is my personal take of the huawei mate 20X which I provide as a cautionary note to potential buyers. This is an honest critique of a phone I owned for little over a month. For comparison sake I own the samsung a70 and used that to gauge the phone's overall value. Last month I bought it going in with the mindset that the big screen and its features would be cool as hell. I was wrong.
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I haven't owned a Samsung since the S8+ - I loved it, but the battery was nowhere near what they said it was for me. I wonder if it was because I have to use a VPN 80% of the time to access Google services. (in China - Lucky/unlucky me). How do I know that you are not some sort of Samsung plant? A70 can't be as awesome as this phone, can it?
Online I purchased it for $590. My first impression when I unboxed it was I felt horrified. The phone is monster big. It made me a bit uneasy to think that the heavy weight coupled with its sheer size would make for a perfect shattered screen in time. As I handled it I was on edge that it would fall which made me feel somewhat insecure. But after a while I got used to the size and it fit my pockets although the top protrudes out a bit. After toying with it I felt I had to always be aware that it might fall so I used extra precaution while it was on my person, but it was no biggie.
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I'm a big guy. I like the size. I like everything about the size. Yes, if you don't want a big phone - go to something else.
BATTERY
The first thing that constantly bothered me about the phone was the battery which is 5000 mah. The first thing I made sure to do was to put this baby into airplane mode, turn off bt and location and just keep wifi on. Also, I made sure of turning off background activity in the settings on the grand majority of apps not to mention uninstalling unwanted apps.
ok - I have no idea why this is the way it is for you. I have NEVER experienced a battery experience like this in sooooo ****ing many phones. So many times that famous African American on youtube - you know who - would tell me that 'this' phone's battery life was the best. And so many times I'd get let down (never more so than the Huawei Nexus 6P. Damn I loved that phone, but damn that battery sucked). Anyway, Now-a-days I can accidentally leave my camera or torch on and it DOES NOT MATTER. This thing is a battery wizard ... for me. THe AL00 in china with Veeeeepeeeee-ENNNN
You might at first glance think, "wow 5000 mah, amazing I'll buy it right away!" Hold your horses buddy. Just because a phone has a big battery doesnt necessarily mean it will perform like a big battery. An example of this is when I charged the phone to 100% one morning. I read email, went on youtube for 10 minutes, surfed the net and made one call that lasted 2 minutes. This whole session lasted 20 minutes. The battery drained to 87%, I kid you not! Another example is when I charged it to 100% one night. After 3 hours of idleness, not picking it up or doing anything to it, the battery read a disconcerting 96%. How in god's name is that possible on 5000 mah after I disabled many apps and killed many more running in the background?? My samsung a70 which has a 4500 mah battery beats the mate 20X big time in battery. After I put the a70 through the ringer with the above same session in the same amount of time the battery showed 97%. A user on xda commented that his mate 20x's battery is slightly (keyword, slightly) better than his samsung s9 which has a 4100 mah battery. Now youre seeing the bigger picture.
I have NEVER been more impressed by a smart phone. I get a day and a bit an dI am a HEAVY user. Not sure why your phone life is ****, but I wish I knew why.
UI
The UI is the 2nd worst thing about this phone. It looks heavily outdated like Ice Cream or Kit Kat. Very disappointing. Though it navigates fast through menus, the app drawer cant be accessed by swiping from the bottom. Even though you have an option for that feature its
I actually really like EMUI despite my bashing in numerous threads. I especially like the gestures. I am even unsure if I could go back to Nova ... but the fact I can't, ****s me off more than anything. The worst and second-worst and third-worst thing about this phone is the lack of accessibility to a launcher. Damn -that is frustrating and I want to elbow all the EVR dudes right in the GD nose for their insistence that the phone is awesome!
SCREEN RESOLUTION
Another bone of contention is the screen resolution. It looks good. But when compared to modern phones like my a70 which is very sharp it falls short. Of course the screen is large which "thins out" pixel density making it less crisp. Thats understandable. But it disappoints when juxtaposing it to sharper phones.
Nah man - in my opinion, the phone's resolution is pretty good. You sure you don't work for Samsung?
SOUND & BATTERY
The sound volume and quality are quite loud and amazing respectively. The best I've ever come across in any smartphone. Huawei did a good job in this dept. But there's no way to toggle dolby atmos off unfortunately. Battery charging is fast, no complaints. Stereo is a huge plus!
You're probably right, but I couldn't give a toss about this as I mostly use Bluetooth ear. Speakers have been handy once ort twice, but essentially, I have never used the jack. Also I have no clue what the **** is Atmos - I am a philistine when it comes to musique.
GAMES AND VIDEO
For some unknown twisted reason, given the above complaints, playing games on this phone lasted a long time. Playing asphalt 9 for 15 minutes drained only 4 - 5%. Same thing with playing videos. An hour of youtube drained only 6%. Very good but strange given its battery drains in other areas.
Think you are right with this. I seem to be able to set my son up on math prodigy and t4each your monster how to read and it lasts a zillion times longer than when I use the old huawei 6P.
OVERALL & MY ADVICE clumsy and not pretty.
My great question in all this is, why the hell arent people complaining about these issues?? Battery is not efficient, the UI looks ugly and feels way outdated, resolution isnt as sharp as on other phones and its a bit heavy. To be perfectly honest, with all these faults the phone is worth $460, not $650 which is the lowest price as a new item on amazon at the time of this writing. Without any of these issues the phone would be perfect.
It is worth it, in my opinion if you live outside of China and can get the EVA version and you don't need heaps of mem or a dual sim. I need a dual sim, heaps of mem, and I live in China. Therefore it has completely sucked owning the most amazing phone EVER.
For those considering buying this phone take great heed of the aforementioned before you fork over 7 tall bills for it that later on you might regret. Dont be easily fooled by rave reviews of owners of the phone on xda. Many will exaggerate it because theyre blinded by its large size. Likewise, dont be easily fooled by tech reviews elsewhere like those found on zdnet. Some of them are actually written by paid reviewers who will intentionally gloss over a product, ignoring its faults to satisfy ad revenue.
Nah dude ... It is a solid phone. I also got my wife off Apple with the mate 20 pro. These are the best phones - period. Sady though, big business and government dictate otherwise.
HUAWEI... CAN YOU PLEASE LET ME UNLOCK MY BOOTLOADER FFS
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deloj said:
Oh yes I remember now, it was you. Appreciate that info you confirmed. However I mistakenly said it was your s9 when it was actually your s10+. I stand corrected.
Thats exactly what I surmised in my review. Battery capacity means nothing. Its how you use it that determines its longevity and drain rate. It doesnt matter how big a battery is; its how efficiently the phone utilizes the voltage and how the software is able to tie in everything together, hardware and software wise.
Yes you are correct. It is very unfortunate that we still cant get unfiltered honest reviews despite the "free" internet environment.
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Thats fine I dont expect anyone to know more than anyone else. There are no absolutes here just relative critiques.
What would I or samsung gain from a phone made for the asian market if I were a secret samsung agent based in USA on an english-based website? The samsung a70 is the only phone at my disposal with which to compare the mate 20x.
Did you actually read or just scan through the battery paragraph? I specifically explained how I set up my phone. Battery life again compared to the a70 leaves much to be desired. Why it went from 100% to 96% in 3 hours with everything turned off is completely inexcusable. As for the black guy in youtube, we dont know how HE set up his phone. Keep in mind that the mate 20x mustve been his 1st 5000 mah battery phone which came out last year at the time of his review when very few phones within that same period had the same mah capacity. This is why you cant judge a phone without comparing it to other phones. I actually tested the phone with the a70 on several occasions, being careful to take notes of observed changes in battery. Just to let you know, two phones from different companies with the same battery capacity will ALWAYS perform differently in terms of battery. This is irrefutable fact.
I cant qualify your response as to the UI since you prefer a 1971 chevy when we're driving 2018 ferraris. What I can comment on is that I think the L29 version can install launchers. But I'm not 100% sure on that so dont quote me for assurance.
Yeah it looks like this is the only phone you may have owned. Not sure but thats what it sounds like to me. Reviewers have also entered the same judgement as to its resolution.
Never said it wasnt a solid phone. Its just not a perfectly solid 10 out of 10. Its plagued with issues serious companies arent foolish enough to make which should have been ironed out before huawei released it. Premium should be premium especially at premium price, no excuses.
Chinese phone makers are not in the habit of being keen on quality control and are slow to correct mistakes. They think they can just slap together a phone with high end specs through cheap labor as their corp revenue goal, throw it in the consumer's face like a doggy treat and expect them to bite. Thats not how you make customers happy. You keep them satisfied through constant and consistent quality control which the chinese have historically lacked for a long time in their product cycles. But admittingly they are getting better at it; in that sense I give them credit where credit is due. But china is still no korea at least not yet. The mate 20x issues are to the mate 20x what chinese companies are to customers. If china had made a strong effort to make phones amazing in all respects they could have single-handedly demolished apple, lg and samsung by now.
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s327374 said:
Isn't it strange that we have experiences with the phone, and yet we are both ultimately unhappy with the outcome. I am frustrated, you are disappointed.
We are like the odd couple of Huawei owners.
Except, you know, we aren't really a couple...
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I'm both frustrated and disappointed. Honestly I wanted to make the mate 20x my main driver that I planned to replace my a70. But huawei decided for me to keep my a70.
The honor 8x max is a good big screened phone. But problems with installed google services like the playstore keep me from considering buying it.
Looks like I'll stick to my a70 until I see a better contender with a bigger screen, hopefully one with no issues that would otherwise prompt me to open a thread to complain about.
Wouldnt say we're the 'odd couple' since we're both not as frustrated with each other as with that one thing bothering us, the mate 20x. We're more like Frasier and Niles.
deloj said:
I'm both frustrated and disappointed. Honestly I wanted to make the mate 20x my main driver that I planned to replace my a70. But huawei decided for me to keep my a70.
The honor 8x max is a good big screened phone. But problems with installed google services like the playstore keep me from considering buying it.
Looks like I'll stick to my a70 until I see a better contender with a bigger screen, hopefully one with no issues that would otherwise prompt me to open a thread to complain about.
Wouldnt say we're the 'odd couple' since we're both not as frustrated with each other as with that one thing bothering us, the mate 20x. We're more like Frasier and Niles.
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Honor 8X Max doesn't appear to support any TMobile USA LTE bands.
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Limeybastard said:
Honor 8X Max doesn't appear to support any TMobile USA LTE bands.
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I actually saw on amazon the 8x max for gsm carriers like tmobile.
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I actually saw on amazon the 8x max for gsm carriers like tmobile.
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Max version hasn't got any USA T-Mobile LTE bands.
The none Max version has some T-Mobile LTE bands though.
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For me, the terrible bluetooth quality is killing me. The signal breaks up a LOT!
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Max version hasn't got any USA T-Mobile LTE bands.
The none Max version has some T-Mobile LTE bands though.
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Very sad to hear that. Another example of huawei disappointing potential consumers. The fact that this will hurt them in revenue makes me happy. If they dont take this as a lesson I dont know what will.
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bigfire said:
For me, the terrible bluetooth quality is killing me. The signal breaks up a LOT!
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You mustve picked up a defective phone. I didnt have any issues with bt. Hate saying this but try a factory reset.
My bluetooth works brilliantly. Did the factory reset work?
Well guys I'm thinking of buying back this phone. Before I do I need to see how it looks with Emui 10. If anyone has the BETA emui 10 installed I'd appreciate a few pics. Thanks guys.