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Any thoughts about the advantages/disadvantages of MTP over mass storage? Some custom ICS ROMs only allow the default MTP, and it is likely the stock ICS will do the same.
For me, here are the advantages of each one:
MTP:
1. Can copy files over (like APKs) and then access on them on the device without mounting/unmounting
2. File transfer is available immediately when plugged in without having to mount
Mass storage:
1. Better security since you have to get past the lock screen to mount
2. Is actually a real drive in Windows, so you can do all operations normally
On second look, the internal storage does not show up in Windows until the phone is unlocked. So scratch out advantage #2 for mass storage.
When google finalizes config for ics in nexus s, your /sdcard partition will mount as USB mass storage just like it always has.
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Noticed it is much slower than mass storage.
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galaxy nexus doesn't have UMS so it's easy to understand that ICS source now don't support UMS, still we will have UMS for nexus s in near future
Possible to repartition Nexus S like Galaxy Nexus?
For future reference, here's Google's statement on the matter, courtesy of Dan Morrill:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/21/ice-cream-sandwich-supports-usb-mass-storage-after-all-galaxy-n/
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oakamil said:
Any thoughts about the advantages/disadvantages of MTP over mass storage? Some custom ICS ROMs only allow the default MTP, and it is likely the stock ICS will do the same.
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After considering the trade-offs, I think it's clear to me that I would prefer a partition structure like the Galaxy Nexus, as I can easily deal with MTP-only PC access in exchange for more space on the data partition.
Thus, I wonder has anyone found a way to repartition their Galaxy S to be like a Galaxy Nexus, such that all 16GB of internal memory is data storage and there exists no separate USB storage partition?
Once the repartitioning has been performed, what other modifications might be necessary (to the recovery, ROM, etc)?
Thanks!
SIDE QUESTION: Where can I find the MTP drivers for my Nexus S? I run Windows 7 and I have ICS on my Nexus S.
Nothing changes for Nexus S, UMS stays as it is.
ICS supports both.
Galaxy Nexus (and newer devices) will have MTP only.
madd0g said:
Nothing changes for Nexus S, UMS stays as it is.
ICS supports both.
Galaxy Nexus (and newer devices) will have MTP only.
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Humm.... But Windows does not recognize the USB storage. I don't see the "mount/unmount" option in Storage params. menu in ICS... Am I doing something wrong!?!?!
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Humm.... But Windows does not recognize the USB storage. I don't see the "mount/unmount" option in Storage params. menu in ICS... Am I doing something wrong!?!?!
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Since we are using the sources from Galaxy Nexus, UMS support is limited to a few ROMs with some hacks (like kwiboo's, it has UMS). When we get an official release, things will become simpler.
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Noticed it is much slower than mass storage.
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that is what i hate the most about MTP
MTP tunnels also has limited format support, the driver determines which file formats are allowed and which are not
usually they block all DRM signed contents
you do not get an error message, the transfer bar will just get stuck at the same percentage forever ...
... well you do get an error message after like an hour waiting for it to finish, and you get the time out message
Hey guys , i know some people say that MTP is faster than usb storage. But on my own experiance things take about 3 to 4 times more time to copy over.
If someone can point me to which drivers they use to see if i can probably install them cause i find it really slow and my device Gets recognized fine.
I know people complained about MTP a lot, but I really miss having it now that I'm not using beezy's SDK port. it was really nice that it auto-mounts, and allows you to access the storage from your pc and your phone simultaneously, and it transferred about 5x faster for me than MSD does....the only complaint I had is my ps3 couldn't read it because it wasn't a true storage drive. Honestly, though, for me, the benefits FAR outweighed the drawbacks.
I agree with the guy above. It was ultra convenient. Now I use airDroid for all of the above...
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david279 said:
I agree with the guy above. It was ultra convenient. Now I use airDroid for all of the above...
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I'll check that one out, thanks!! I've been looking for an alternative until someone builds a rom with MTP again
I'm also missing MTP on my Nexus S. Any hacks or ROMs known how to get it back?
I prefer UMS over MTP
Since I theoretically have a total of 48 GB of storage on my phone, I'd benefit from the speed of UMS. I regularly transfer 1080p movies and stuff to and from my Galaxy SII. Also, I could organise files very easily and quickly.
However, after upgrading from Gingerbread 2.3.4 to Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0.3, the UMS function has disappeared forever. I could go back to GB, but I don't want to do that.
i hate mtp... can't transfer large files :-(
oakamil said:
Any thoughts about the advantages/disadvantages of MTP over mass storage? Some custom ICS ROMs only allow the default MTP, and it is likely the stock ICS will do the same.
For me, here are the advantages of each one:
MTP:
1. Can copy files over (like APKs) and then access on them on the device without mounting/unmounting
2. File transfer is available immediately when plugged in without having to mount
Mass storage:
1. Better security since you have to get past the lock screen to mount
2. Is actually a real drive in Windows, so you can do all operations normally
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ICS allows Mass Storage Mode when possible at block level. And for both MTP and UMC you have to unlock the screen first to view it on the computer.
DA6030 said:
Thus, I wonder has anyone found a way to repartition their Galaxy S to be like a Galaxy Nexus, such that all 16GB of internal memory is data storage and there exists no separate USB storage partition?
Once the repartitioning has been performed, what other modifications might be necessary (to the recovery, ROM, etc)?
Thanks!
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Not sure but, I don't think that would be possible, because depends too much on hardware level. Just take a look at GT-I9100 Pit analysis.
vantt1 said:
Since I theoretically have a total of 48 GB of storage on my phone, I'd benefit from the speed of UMS. I regularly transfer 1080p movies and stuff to and from my Galaxy SII. Also, I could organise files very easily and quickly.
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If the android device had UMS, surely you couldn't copy there some of your 1080p movies, because the sdcard will be formatted in FAT32 instead of EXT4, so no bigger files than 4 GB.
MTP uses the native filesystem on which the partition was formatted, so in this particular case of large files it's an advantage for you.
Anyway, if both the data and sdcard are physically the same partition, you won't ever be able to achieve USM because you just can't mount only a part of a partition at block level device, if you know what I mean. You could do it only, if possible, at recovery mode where the top level partition (root, /) is not mounted.
Read more here:
[GUIDE] MTP and PTP (Media Transfer Protocol) vs UMC (Mass Storage Class)
I'm having huge problems on a Sony device since updating to ICS. One of my paid apps is for syncing specific content and the devs said it's related to the MTP standard in ICS+, that UMS is much better for the task.
I bought my phone to replace my iPod, it's fairly well-featured for the job. But unless I fix this MTP problem, I may go back to Gingerbread.
I am unable to connect my TF700 as mass storage on Ubuntu 12.04. I tried with USB debugging enabled and disabled. PTP works but is extremely restrictive. There's an adress about the filetransfer page on android's web page, but it just provides Mac dmgs.
I wasn't expecting that since my Galaxy Note running ICS mounts as mass storage without hassle. There's even a "USB utilities" under Settings.
The apps claiming to mount Android devices seem to require root. I am using gMTP as a workaround for now. But I'd much rather have mass storage. Any tips?
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The apps claiming to mount Android devices seem to require root. I am using gMTP as a workaround for now. But I'd much rather have mass storage. Any tips?
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ICS removed support for mass storage (e.g. see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1351097), it is usually available for samsung devices because they hack it into their touchwiz UI.
i also hate MTP because it is slow as hell, mtpfs or gMTP don't work properly for me, it takes about 20-30 seconds until the device is found (same for my galaxy nexus, tried many different libmtp versions..) and then it also takes ages to go into a folder or copy files. if i want to copy pictures to the PC i boot my virtualbox windows....
enough ranting i just found "jmtpfs" this week (which still relies on libmtp) which works a little bit better than mtpfs or gMTP, see: http://research.jacquette.com/jmtpfs-exchanging-files-between-android-devices-and-linux/
I used the app "stick mount" on my samsung galaxy note with aosp ics. But I think the device has to be rooted.
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masiegel said:
I used the app "stick mount" on my samsung galaxy note with aosp ics. But I think the device has to be rooted.
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That's an app for mounting USB sticks n your device -- the Tf700 supports that natively, so you would not need an app like that. The OP's question is if the memory of the TF700 itself can be mounted as a native USB Mass Storage Device, if I understand correctly. The only correct answer to that is already in post #2: no, it cannot (natively), because MSD were dunked in ICS (to my dismay; thanks a bunch, Google, it stopped my SGS2 from working as a USB pen drive at work). A custom ROM could fix this, as several did for my phone (SGS2).
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That's an app for mounting USB sticks n your device -- the Tf700 supports that natively, so you would not need an app like that. The OP's question is if the memory of the TF700 itself can be mounted as a native USB Mass Storage Device, if I understand correctly. The only correct answer to that is already in post #2: no, it cannot (natively), because MSD were dunked in ICS (to my dismay; thanks a bunch, Google, it stopped my SGS2 from working as a USB pen drive at work). A custom ROM could fix this, as several did for my phone (SGS2).
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CyanogenMod adds this feature back doesn't it? I know on my phone, CM9 has it available (and strangely, no MTP support). I know my stock ICS Blur lets me use MTP or mass storage.
But I wonder if there's an app that will let me mount as a mass storage? Or do we have to wait for some devs to do it in a ROM? I will install the custom ROM just for that, because MTP is just PAINFUL.
MartyHulskemper said:
The only correct answer to that is already in post #2: no, it cannot (natively), because MSD were dunked in ICS (to my dismay; thanks a bunch, Google
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Did they provide any reason for ditching MSD? Are they too lazy to bother with partitioning issues? It's a grotesquely **** move by Google...
Depends on the device. For example, my phone supports it through cm but my Touchpad did not.
They probably switched to it so apps with SD card files in use wouldnt abruptly lose file access and panic
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CyanogenMod adds this feature back doesn't it? I know on my phone, CM9 has it available (and strangely, no MTP support). I know my stock ICS Blur lets me use MTP or mass storage.
But I wonder if there's an app that will let me mount as a mass storage? Or do we have to wait for some devs to do it in a ROM? I will install the custom ROM just for that, because MTP is just PAINFUL.
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Indeed it's a CM-specific feature, although some other ROMs have built-in tricks that they ripped off of CM. I hate MTP as well, because it won't go where I work (hospital, no admin access, no installs allowed).
EDIT: might this do the trick: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.abraxas.mountusb.donate ?? I don't know, but give it quick whirl and see. <?>
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Did they provide any reason for ditching MSD? Are they too lazy to bother with partitioning issues? It's a grotesquely **** move by Google...
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Well, the jump to MTP was primarily because of the past: small on-board memories. Earlier versions of Android kept reserved space for system partitions, data partitions and so on to prevent the system running out of RAM because of the amount of installed apps and the volume of their data storage. Nowadays, memory is so large that that precaution is no longer needed, as any recent phone should have ample memory. And, indeed, you are right: the secondary advantage of MTP is the filesystem being accessible to the system itself while also being 'seen' by the host (Windows, for example), thus preventing running apps from being 'orphaned' from their data storages.
How come when I connect the USB cable TF700 files I see on the PC are different from the ones I see on the Tab?
For example, files that I had deleted the TAB, connecting via USB while I continue to see the folders you create ultimately not viewing them.
Even the microSD, if inserted directly into the PC I see all the files, if I view the TF700 via USB and see only a few folders!
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How come when I connect the USB cable TF700 files I see on the PC are different from the ones I see on the Tab?
For example, files that I had deleted the TAB, connecting via USB while I continue to see the folders you create ultimately not viewing them.
Even the microSD, if inserted directly into the PC I see all the files, if I view the TF700 via USB and see only a few folders!
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The SD cards are not mounted as USB Mass Storage units, but under MTP. This means that it works *through* Android -- do they files you do not see when connecting over USB happen to have a full stop in front (".")? Like ".some_folder_name"? Android would interpret that as an intentionally hidden folder.
I think this is something to do with the "media transport protocol" seen by a windows PC.
It's kind of like Windows doesn't know what to do with a .apk yet android recognizes that format.
You know how a hard drive wipe won't necessarily clear the drive, it just doesn't protect user files in NTFS when instructed to overwrite a sector.
Zeroing seems to be the best way to flatten most drives.
Takes a little time to write 0's to firm memory however.
But how come I can only see some folders, the oldest and still see deleted files and not the new ones?
This happens both in the internal memory to the external SD (microSD)
How do I mount USB MASS STORAGE?
With all the other smartphones and Android Tablet I have never seen!
MarkAndroid said:
But how come I can only see some folders, the oldest and still see deleted files and not the new ones?
This happens both in the internal memory to the external SD (microSD)
How do I mount USB MASS STORAGE?
With all the other smartphones and Android Tablet I have never seen!
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As I said above, you cannot mount as UMS device on any Android version that came after Honeycomb, i.e., you will not be able to let your 700 show up as a connected external USB drive, neither on ICS, nor on JB. If you have never seen this before on other smartphones or tablets, it's either because you weren't paying attention, or because they were running Honeycomb, which was the last Android version that allowed mounting as UMS device.
Have you tried rebooting the 700 before connecting? That's one of the ways to see if the media scanner problem Thats OK referred to is occurring. If it is, there's a crapload of apps on the Play Store that can issue a rescan (that's the alternative to rebooting, although it'd require you to load yet another app).
This morning I had connected (after installing Mont Dual USB) and it seemed to work ...
Then I restarted the TF700 and I could no longer see all the files!
I also tried to uninstall and reboot Dual Mount, but nothing
What do you call the APP to be taken on the market?
Before you upgrade to JB files were visible connecting the TF700 via USB to PC
PS You need to install asus sync on your PC?
Has Google translate reactivated itself..? I can't make sense of half of this...
Check to see if you have MTP enabled or PTP. Go to Settings --> Storage, hit the button at the top right corner (the three dots) and open up USB computer connection. If it's set to PTP, change it to MTP.
Yes, I used google translate!
The memory settings is set to PTP.
I tried to change in MTP but now only displays the folders DCIM and Pictures
MarkAndroid said:
Yes, I used google translate!
The memory settings is set to PTP.
I tried to change in MTP but now only displays the folders DCIM and Pictures
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That's odd, it's supposed to be the other way around. PTP should only show DCIM and Images/Pictures, whereas MTP should display all the folders...
No, you shouldn't need Asus sync, by the way.
What else could it be... Hm.. Maybe hidden folders in Windows? Try checking if 'show hidden folder' is selected under windows explorer-folder options.
In Windows I can see hidden files and also .xxx.apk
I tried both Win7 and Windows Vista
But your TF700 show all content by connecting via USB to your PC?
I also tried with USB debugging
I still have this annoying problem and I do not know how to solve!
The app rescan on the market do not work on the TF700
What can I do?
I need to pass data from the internal memory (64GB) to your PC
MarkAndroid said:
I still have this annoying problem and I do not know how to solve!
The app rescan on the market do not work on the TF700
What can I do?
I need to pass data from the internal memory (64GB) to your PC
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I'm not sure I can follow you. What do you mean by "app rescan on the market"?
There are several ways to transfer data from the table to a PC. What data are you referring to?
I installed Rescan Media and RescanSD but do not work on JB.
I would like to transfer data from TAB to PC are the most common, videos, photos, PDF, Music, DOC, etc.
The problem is that the PC I view old folders and not all files!
I try to photograph the difference
Here's an example: I view those folders from your PC while in TAB visualize more!
The CF directory does not exist anymore because I deleted while it continues to be seen on the PC
The UCAM directory exists and is not displayed on the PC
MarkAndroid said:
Here's an example: I view those folders from your PC while in TAB visualize more!
The CF directory does not exist anymore because I deleted while it continues to be seen on the PC
The UCAM directory exists and is not displayed on the PC
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What are the file permissions? Who is the owner according to the system? Are you rooted?
My tab is ROOT
How do I see the permissions?
How do I know who is the owner according to the system?
MarkAndroid said:
Here's an example: I view those folders from your PC while in TAB visualize more!
The CF directory does not exist anymore because I deleted while it continues to be seen on the PC
The UCAM directory exists and is not displayed on the PC
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How did you transfer the files before you had the problem?
I never transferred the files!
The TAB have it recently and I have never served to make backups of the data in the internal memory
With the smartphone LG and everyone else I've had, I've never had problems with transfer
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My tab is ROOT
How do I see the permissions?
How do I know who is the owner according to the system?
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Install Total Commander -- great file manager and I do not understand how you people get by without it anyway, hahaha! -- and long-press a file or folder >> Properties. I must admit I'm low on ideas here.
Properties of the folder SDCARD (64GB internal memory) with ES manager files: Readable: yes; Writable: Yes; Hidden: no
Folder properties MicroSD (32GB external SD) with ES file manager: Readable: yes; Writable: Yes; Hidden: no
Hi, when I had my SGS3 I was able to plug it into my TV via USB and explore the phones files (helpful to play movies ect without having to transfer it to laptop via USB then to a portable USB pen drive).
However when I plug my Nexus in, it doesn't see it at all so can't go through the files with the file browser.
I noticed when I open 'my computer' this appears - (see screenshot)
My old SGS3 just came up directly with internal storage rather than showing the phone model first, is this related to the issue?
Cheers!
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Hi, when I had my SGS3 I was able to plug it into my TV via USB and explore the phones files (helpful to play movies ect without having to transfer it to laptop via USB then to a portable USB pen drive).
However when I plug my Nexus in, it doesn't see it at all so can't go through the files with the file browser.
I noticed when I open 'my computer' this appears - (see screenshot)
My old SGS3 just came up directly with internal storage rather than showing the phone model first, is this related to the issue?
Cheers!
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the Nexus 5 does not mount USB storage by default.
You must either:
1) Buy Nexus 5 media importer (non-root)
2) Use USB OTG Helper or Stickmount from play (Free but requires root)
3) Use a custom kernel (such as Chaos) to enable Automount of OTG
Excellent answer, thanks
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No probs.
This was one of the annoying things I've found with the Nexus 5. Not sure if the rest of the Nexus line is the same but I can't see why the Nexus 5 doesn't have full USB OTG support like a lot of other phones out there. My S3 and Toshiba Excite 10 but support full OTG but why not the flagship Google device?
That said, my Toshiba supports micro HDMI whereas both the S3 and Nexus use MHL and Slimport respectively. I know this is probably due to space constraints to fit two ports on a phone but its still annoying that you need yet another cable to hook up your phone to a TV without any lag like miracast.
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Indeed it's annoying..
I actually tried the first two options of rootSU's answer however it didn't mount (which is strange as I am on stock ROM)
I will try the kernel tomorrow
Damnit double post!
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Indeed it's annoying..
I actually tried the first two options of rootSU's answer however it didn't mount (which is strange as I am on stock ROM)
I will try the kernel tomorrow
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1) what is the usb stick formatted to? Anything other than fat32 will fail
2) whats the error? With stickmount, it just mounts it to a folder on /sdcard. Nothing happens visually
Kernel is best option though
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I think you are missing what the op is wanting to do.
What you are describing is allowing the phone to access an external device.
The op wants his external device (TV) to access his phones storage.
Unfortunately this is not possible unless your TV supports the mtp protocol which it looks like it doesn't.
Starting in android 4.0 Google moved away from a physical fat32 sdcard partition and went with a scalable fused ext4 sdcard Mount.
This required a new interface because the new style cannot be mounted as a USB mass storage device.
Thus came mtp. (Media transfer protocol)
Using the fused system is much more beneficial in android (I won't go into the reasons now) but it means you cannot use the device with anything that doesn't support mtp access
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I think you are missing what the op is wanting to do.
What you are describing is allowing the phone to access an external device.
The op wants his external device (TV) to access his phones storage.
Unfortunately this is not possible unless your TV supports the mtp protocol which it looks like it doesn't.
Starting in android 4.0 Google moved away from a physical fat32 sdcard partition and went with a scalable fused ext4 sdcard Mount.
This required a new interface because the new style cannot be mounted as a USB mass storage device.
Thus came mtp. (Media transfer protocol)
Using the fused system is much more beneficial in android (I won't go into the reasons now) but it means you cannot use the device with anything that doesn't support mtp access
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Oh yes I am missing that.
FYI, sgs3 is an mtp only device
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Yes you get it. Didn't the s3 ship with jelly bean though?
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Yes you get it. Didn't the s3 ship with jelly bean though?
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No. It shipped with ICS 4.0.x but it always had FUSE and MTP. S2 is a different story though.
S3 could mount external sd as mass storage if rooted but not internal (more info here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2448070 )
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question about usb mass storage
Not really a computer guy myself but i take it that a lot of people have said the same thing: the n5 and n4 both did not allow the phones to be used as mass storage devices. This was very annoying to me as I just bought my n5 and wanted to transfer my music onto the phone. I don't see the point in this change nor do I see it as a 'step forward'.
What is interesting is that my friend in Canada who also owns a nexus 5 has no problems using her n5 as a mass storage device. I did not believe her so she sent me a screenshot of her storage options which indeed allows her to use the phone as a mass storage device. Is her n5 manufactured completely differently from mine??
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Not really a computer guy myself but i take it that a lot of people have said the same thing: the n5 and n4 both did not allow the phones to be used as mass storage devices. This was very annoying to me as I just bought my n5 and wanted to transfer my music onto the phone. I don't see the point in this change nor do I see it as a 'step forward'.
What is interesting is that my friend in Canada who also owns a nexus 5 has no problems using her n5 as a mass storage device. I did not believe her so she sent me a screenshot of her storage options which indeed allows her to use the phone as a mass storage device. Is her n5 manufactured completely differently from mine??
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you just need to enable MTP on the notification bar and will be able to transfer files like music.
make sure that Nexus 5 shows under "Computer" directory. If it doesn't, need to reinstall the driver
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I did not believe her so she sent me a screenshot of her storage options which indeed allows her to use the phone as a mass storage device.
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That menu allows you to switch between Media MTP & Camera PTP and not Mass storage.
In MTP you should see the N5 as a media device and drag and drop to it in explorer.
As already mentioned, that's not USB mass storage. I think your friend perhaps doesn't know what mass storage is but here is a thread I wrote explaining it all
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2534010
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Hi, does anyone have writing to usb storage (given a hub) working? I've been trying, and while I can read files from the root directories of all attached external volumes, I get denied on write.
The CCwGTV firmware is lacking the Android "Storage Access Framework" and probably other features needed to access that stuff. It DOES however allow moving installed apps to a USB connected storage device. (I bought a 80 GB SATA SSD got 10 dollars and hooked it up to the HyperDrive USB hub I bought for the CCwGTV. Any files I'd want to read and write to I use a HDD attached to my Asus router setup through network shared folders (effectively turning it into a a NAS/home cloud storage.
Note that the USB link speed is only 2.0, so I'd try get a cheap SSD (SATA2 ones go pretty cheap plus a sata to USB adapter, the app load times are as fast as the internal storage with all that set up. Good luck mate! It's the best setup I can achieve and it was worth the time I put into testing it. Reply if you need any further help or clarification.