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16GB X7510 but can I use it?

Hello, sorry if this is a double post but I will be brief. After buying the X7510, I was informed that the ActiveSync software only works on the phone memory and was asked (after I called HTC support) to "Copy and Paste" the My Documents folder on my pc if it was big, which it is.
What kind of a solution is that?
I am also trying to sync with Exchange 2003 and again, it appears only to work on the phone memory. Is there any software out there which will at least allow me to sync My Documents on to the 16GB flash disk?
Surely HTC are not that stupid as to give you 16GB and then not allow you to use it except "Copy and Paste"!!!!!!
Although my gut feeling is that it is Windows Mobile 6 that is stupid.....
Thanks,
Adrian.

make a briefacse, itll sync when you connect. but probably only if you connect as usb storage rather than proper activesync. I did it successfully for ages with all my cab files
Rory

Try wm5torage version 1.73 (google it).
Then you'll be able to use the 16GB as standard USB mass storage.

Unfortunately the 16 GB Flash Disk works like an on-board or built-in memory card. But there should be a software out there that would let you update a folder in it, if that is your question.
How about using the BT Shared Folder option?
You need not install WM5torage if all you want is to see the 16 GB Flash Disk. Just go to
Start>Settings>Connections>USB to PC>check DISK DRIVE>OK
and this should let you see the contents of the Flash Disk like an SD Card does.

you guys should check out Card Export 2 for PPC

AllGamer said:
you guys should check out Card Export 2 for PPC
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The last time I tried Card Export 2, it is buggy as hell. It does not always work.
WM5torage is way better than Card Export in reliability and it's FREE.

Thanks.
I will try some of the solutions suggested in the threads, but it still does not answer why HTC have not considered an "Out Of The Box" sync via Activesync onto the 16GB flash storage for My Documents and Emails......
Adrian.

losdelrock said:
I will try some of the solutions suggested in the threads, but it still does not answer why HTC have not considered an "Out Of The Box" sync via Activesync onto the 16GB flash storage for My Documents and Emails......
Adrian.
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I might be wrong but I think on all devices it works this way. The email is by default (i.e. out of the box) stored on the device memory.

OK, I think I just found a solution for you, but this would need SK TOOLS which is not free, but you can try it out first if it will work.
If you go to SK Tools Main Menu>Tune Up>Active Sync>Choose Folder to Sync, then you can try and choose Flash Disk and the folder you want active sync to always synchronize with your PC.

actually i just realized something
apparently we DO NOT need any additional software.
not even set the option for USB to PC as a disk drive.
if you have Active Sync 4.5 installed
you can simply DRAG AND DROP anything you want, from and to the 2 SD cards and Main memory of the Advantage X7510
i just noticed that after we started this discussion.
i did a factory reset, because i'm trying different setups, so i wanted to be able to quickly copy and past stuff i want over to install try and clean up.
that's when i noticed, none of the above mentioned software, none are required
just activesync 4.5 and your Advantage connected to your PC

AllGamer said:
actually i just realized something
apparently we DO NOT need any additional software.
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just activesync 4.5 and your Advantage connected to your PC
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That's true.
But in my experience this is rather slow and some files (like .doc etc) may be reformatted (unless you turn this off).
So most of the time I tend to use Activesync, but for movies or folders I almost always switch to Wm5torage.

@losdelrock: Your gut feeling is correct. Windows mobile is that daft.
From Microsoft's view, i can understand some of why they did it, but i cannot understand why they do not give you an option to specify a different folder if you choose. surely it can't be that hard....
@allgamer: OMFG no! Activesync is awful for transferring large files like movies, or at least every time i have tried it it is. However, you are right, no extra software should be needed with WM6.1.
Does the x7510 have the storage device option in start>settings>connections>usb to pc?
If so, just select that when you plug it into the computer and it shows up as a usb stick.
if it's not there on the 7510, go with WM5torage all the way.

in USB to PC mode
it only shows the 16 GB disk of the machine, it wont show the 8GB mini SD that i have in the drive.
using ActiveSync mode, i can access both without problem
but it is true in Active Sync mode it is slower
my work around right now is to use FTP server / client
so i enable WiFi, and then client into my FTP server, and transfer any large stuff i want to my 8 GB miniSD

yeah, it will do that.
I still reckon wm5torage will be better for you. The later versions of the software allow you to select which memory device will appear to the PC before you connect it. It's gotta be faster transferring direct over USB2.0 rather than over Wifi...

i just tried both way, and it's no much different
i'll have to say the Athena has an excellent 54G wifi, that really tops up speed, probably that's why.
it seems like my USB 2 isn't as fast as it should be, but i know it's not running at USB 1 speed, because that is hella slow,
USB 1 speed is at like 10 mbps

[Q] Windows sees MicroSD card, but not the SD card

UPDATE: Android 3.2 has fixed the problem
Title says it all.
Computer-->Transformer 101-->Device Storage
I can see the MicroSD directory, but not the SD directory.
The transformer sees the SD card fine.
Using Prime 1.5
Tried both NTFS and FAT32 format on the SD card
Any suggestions?

Lack of Honeycomb support for more than one external storage device.

I'm usually too lazy to get the usb cable. I use swiftp and upload things to my tablet from ftp. It sees the whole directory including /system/ and so forth.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using XDA Premium App

So, lack of multiple storage devices? Really? That sucks.
I'll try the swiftp. That looks viable.
Thanks.
If anyone knows a work around get the SD card visible in windows, please let me know.

SwiFTP is a old app and not updated much but it still works. App isn't optimized for HC, but you can do the basic things you need to do. Other than optimization for screen, it works great.
You can see /removable/microsd/ and /sdcard/.

Checked out SwiFTP. It gets the job done, with transfer speeds of around 200-300 Kb/s over wifi. Tomorrow I'll buy an extra ethernet cable and see if I can get this usb-to-lan adapter working with the transformer. That should give me fast enough speeds to keep me happy in the mean time. SwiFTP also allows me to charge the transformer while doing file transfers, which is nice.
I really hope Android 3.2 will fix this so I can see the SD card through windows.
I really really like the transformer, but it's all the little things wrong with it that drive me nuts.

Have you considered transferring files the other way around? E.g. sharing a dir in windows and accessing it via smb from tf over wifi with whatever you want - es file manager, file manager hd, file expert, etc. You can also mount it with cifs manager if you want.
The transfer speeds shouldbe reasonably faster over smbcompared to ftp.

Not quite sure what smb is. I'll have to google it. I'll look into it.

typci said:
Not quite sure what smb is. I'll have to google it. I'll look into it.
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SMB protocol is basically what you usually share your windows files via. Just share a folder in Windows like you usually would (not through home network though), and you'll be able to access it via any file manager on tablet.
I'm getting 2-2.5Mbytes/sec over wifi this way, which probably can be improved since the TF connects to my wifi router at 65Mbps (so, theoretically up to 8 Mbytes/sec which is ideal, but 4-5 should be real) but I don't bother with that since I don't really need faster transfer speeds.

There should be a folder called "MicroSD", maybe two. One of them is your external SD Card. But i found out that i don't see every file with windows...

interesting ... so i haven't even tried SD+MicroSD at the same time I can't tell if TF101 will see both ... should probably try it tonight.
But I know I have plugged 2 differnet USB flash drives into the dock with the microSD and the tablet saw everything.

I think people are missing the OPs question. I read the setup as he/she is windows computer connected to the TF and looking at the Windows Explorer window. In Window Explorer it shows the uSD, but not an SD card plugged into the dock.

jerrykur said:
I think people are missing the OPs question. I read the setup as he/she is windows computer connected to the TF and looking at the Windows Explorer window. In Window Explorer it shows the uSD, but not an SD card plugged into the dock.
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We (at least I) understood it correctly. I was just suggesting a workaround based on my own experience to achieve the same goals via different means.

A couple of people missed the point, but the information provided has been very useful. Thanks for the help so far.
I also forgot that not everyone has the dock. If you do not have the dock, then you do not have an SD card slot (the tablet has a MicroSD card slot). The SD card slot on the dock is the card I'm having trouble with.
The ultimate goal of the question was to be able to transfer files between the computer and the Transformer, and Transformer's various storage areas: Internal, MicroSD, and SD card. That has been achieved with the various work arounds provided so far (SwiFTP, smb). But I would like to have an option in windows to drag and drop files to the Transformer SD (not MicroSD, or internal memory) card located on the dock, with the Transformer hooked up to the computer via USB.
Just to clarify:
The transformer can store user files in 3 places:
Internal Flash Memory - /SDCard directory from within Android, /transformer 101/Device Storage directory from windows via USB
External MicroSD Card - MicroSD card slot on tablet, /Removable/MicroSD directory from within Android, /transformer 101/Device Storage/MicroSD directory from windows via USB
External SD Card - SD card slot on the Transformer's dock, /Removable/SD directory from within Android --> This is the card that does not show up when the Transformer is connected to the computer via USB.
I use the internal memory for games, apks, and other basic android stuff.
I use a 8GB MicroSD card for extra stuff needed by apks, clockwork mod stuff, and school stuff (I'm a teacher and a student)
I also have a 8GB SD card I want to use for video and audio. I need a very convenient and fast way to switch out these files, since I will be changing them pretty often, and because they are huge files. Once I get this setup, I plan buy a much larger SDHC card to store videos on.
So far, I really like the SwiFTP suggested by zephiK, because everything can be controlled on my windows computer, and with a decent FTP program it should be really easy to use. I don't like dealing with file systems in Android just yet. Astro and root explorer are nice, but no where near as easy to use as windows explorer (multiple open windows and drag and drop).
Also, I just bought a ethernet cable and USB-to-LAN adapter. This will make it so I can plug my charge my transformer via the wall plug while I transfer files over the LAN.
I'm interested in smb, but probably won't use it because you use a file manager on the tablet to control it. But it is always good to have options.
If someone has a working setup where all three Transformer storage locations (Internal, MicroSD, and SD) are accessible through windows via USB, let me know. Or if someone has it natively working, please let me know. I'm trying to figure out whether my problem is with my transformer, or it all transformers have this problem.

i had this same issue, this is how i fixed it!
I went to the asus website and downloaded all the programs for sync and everything,
Then i was able to see the removable folder on the transformer
Hope this helps

number16 said:
interesting ... so i haven't even tried SD+MicroSD at the same time I can't tell if TF101 will see both ... should probably try it tonight.
But I know I have plugged 2 differnet USB flash drives into the dock with the microSD and the tablet saw everything.
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The TF101 will see SD+MicroSD card at the same time, and probably as many USB flash drives as you can plug into it.
The trouble I'm having is with the TF101 connected to my computer via USB, windows explorer sees the TF101 internal memory, the MicroSD card, but not the SD card.
Do you know if windows explorer will see a USB flash drive plugged into the TF101?

Another very viable solution is to install a samba server on your tablet, and share the needed dirs right from it wirelessly. Then you'll be able to normally work with them via windows explorer like you would with any other network share.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8239139&postcount=128
Needs root though. Havent tried it myself, i will later today or tomorrow.
Needs some setup, but some setup > having to be cable tied in my book, i hate all kinds of cables.

Take the SD/microSD card out, plug it into computer via real reader. You get faster read/writes, takes seconds.

I just realized I missed the pound RE Windows - removed my post entry.

I can't even seem to be able to access my microSD from a windows computer over the sync cable. It only shows me internal storage.
However removing the microSD and directly coping is faster, however if you have stuff open on the card, it is inconvenient. So being able to copy stuff over from the laptop is useful.
My other option is to map the windows drive onto the transformer and copying the files over wifi.

Mount Xoom as USB Drive

I am running the Team EOS ICS ROM. Is there anyway to mount my Xoom's internal memory or SD card as a logical drive to my Windows 7 PC?

sure,
download the motorola usb drivers from motorola and plug your xoom into your pc via USB. Both the internal and SD card will show in Windows Explorer.

Its showing in Windows Explorer, but unlike other Android devices it is not being assigned a logical drive letter when Windows knows about it.

I think your problem is because of the way they have the rom setup. If you look in the settings for storage than select the "action" menu" (top right). There are only two options which is media device and camera device. On other roms, an option is presented to connect as "mass storage" which is what you are looking for.
So, the short answer is that in the current iteration of the rom, what you are looking for does not exist.

Mounting as mass storage is a depricated technology never to return. In fact, Android devices with external storage are being depricated. It has to do with the problems associated with having unmounted storage while android attempts to use that storage.

bigrushdog said:
Mounting as mass storage is a depricated technology never to return. In fact, Android devices with external storage are being depricated. It has to do with the problems associated with having unmounted storage while android attempts to use that storage.
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I'd like to run a file syncing app to copy the files from both the internal storage and SD card thats automated when I leave the xoom in its dock overnight. Is there a way of getting windows to see it as a drive with a letter?

integramodder said:
I'd like to run a file syncing app to copy the files from both the internal storage and SD card thats automated when I leave the xoom in its dock overnight. Is there a way of getting windows to see it as a drive with a letter?
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depends on what ROM you are using and if they have added the mass storage feature, which as noted right above your post has been deprecated by Android/Google...so unless you are running maybe an ICS rom or there is some app in the Play Store that will give you that functionality, then i would say no

[GUIDE] MTP and PTP (Media Transfer Protocol) vs UMC (Mass Storage Class)

Here I will post the advantages and disadvantages of the two.
Advantages of UMC
UMC works at block level. It means that you access the partition from the operating system like if were local, and you have complete control of it.
For the previous reason, UMC keeps timestamps for files and folders. This is specially important for pictures, photos or videos that don't have EXIF, where you rely on file creation or modification time to arrange them and to know when were taken. MTP sets for all transferred files current system time, thus overwritting the real creation or modification time and ruining your gallery.
UMC allows the use of recovery software (Recuva) or partition software (Easeus Partition Master) and even format with a different filesystem. Without UMC you have to use android side software that usually is less powerful, needs a rooted phone, etc.
As you have total access to the partition, you can access all files there, even hidden, system, etc. With MTP you only have access to the files that the controlling operating system (android) wants. For example, with MTP, files starting with dot (.file) are not accessible. Some file formats are not allowed.
UMC is compatible with any operating system that allows connecting a FAT32 / exFAT pendrive, while MTP requires specific support. Linux and OS X may have built-in support or not.
With UMC you directly access the files, so modification is instant, and viewing. On the other side, with MTP you download it, modify it and re-upload the edited version, but you never do it directly. Even to play files you need to completely download it first. Imagine downloading a 5 GB MKV.
UMC is always the same, while for MTP there are several implementations: MTP, MTPZ (Microsoft Zune), Sony SonicStage, Apple DMAP.
UMC is faster than MTP because requires less time to initialize transfer, but isn't that big difference for an average user. The higher the number of files to be transferred and the lower the size of each file, the higher the ratio MTP/UMC.
Advantages of MTP or PTP
In MTP mode, the android device controls the input/output to the filesystem, so there is no risk of data loss because of cold disconnecting the device from USB. You work on a layer over the filesystem. With UMC you must be careful.
MTP allows you to use the sdcard from both the android phone and the computer at the same time, even to any desired number of them. On the other side, with UMC you only can do it from a device at a time, meaning that you have to unmount the sdcard from the android to view it on the computer, stopping apps, etc. Of course there are software that can force viewing UMC from both sides, but is a highway to corruption.
MTP does not show the native filesystem to the computer (it uses a hierarchery simulated by the MTP driver), so it will always be compatible. For example, on devices with the same partition for data and sdcard (like Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3) you are writing from the computer to an ext4 partition and you don't need windows to support it. The same if the device partition were in any imaginable filesystem, the MTP will show you it in a standard hierarchy. On the other side, with UMC your local operating system (windows, linux, mac) must support natively the filesystem of the partition or download some software that allows you to do it.
With MTP you use all capabilities and disadvantages of the device filesystem. If the filesystem is in ext4 you can copy files over 4GB to the device, that you couldn't in UMC mode because usually it will come formatted in FAT32, that is the most compatible fs for all operating systems.
MTP enables Windows Media DRM, UMC doesn't.
MTP allows the use of password for accessing the files (on compatible devices). On the other side, with UMC, of course you could use powerful tools like TrueCrypt, but you need the corresponding software on android that reads it.
How to preserve timestamps
- Use File Timestamp app. Root is required, and works recursively too.
- Use Mass Storage Mode when possible.
- zip or tar the files when sending them to the phone or receiving from.
- If the device has external sd, you can use it as a man in the middle.
- samba (smb protocol) allows preservation of timestamps, however applications for android don't support it.
- FTP allows preservation of timestamps, however applications for android don't support it.
- NFS allows preservation of timestamps, however couldn't get any application for android working properly (Servers Ultimate Pro).
- Rsync allows preservation of timestamps, however couldn't get any application for android working properly (Servers Ultimate Pro).
- adb push and pull does not preserve timestamps. Furthermore doesn't work recursively with folders.
- MTP does not preserve timestamps.
- Cloud services like Google Drive, Dropbox, etc. usually never preserve timestamps.
Questions and answers
Is possible to implement MTP on "put here your device"?​Possibly yes, if has USB. MTP works on software side, so updating your rom or installing a new one will do the job
Is possible to implement UMC on "put here your device"?​That depends on hardware mainly. If the internal sdcard and the data folders belong to the same partition, you can't. The reason is that you can't enable access to a part of a partition at block level, the whole or nothing. This is the case for Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy S3, in order to take advantage of all space, and discard the case where you have filled a partition and the other plenty of space.
Dan Morill said:
It isn't physically possible to support UMS on devices that don't have a dedicated partition for storage (like a removable SD card, or a separate partition like Nexus S.) This is because UMS is a block-level protocol that gives the host PC direct access to the physical blocks on the storage, so that Android cannot have it mounted at the same time.
With the unified storage model we introduced in Honeycomb, we share your full 32GB (or 16GB or whatever) between app data and media data. That is, no more staring sadly at your 5GB free on Nexus S when your internal app data partition has filled up -- it's all one big happy volume.
However the cost is that Android can no longer ever yield up the storage for the host PC to molest directly over USB. Instead we use MTP. On Windows (which the majority of users use), it has built-in MTP support in Explorer that makes it look exactly like a disk. On Linux and Mac it's sadly not as easy, but I have confidence that we'll see some work to make this better.
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Sources:
Easy UMS, USB Mass Storage and Media Transfer Protocol – XDA Developer TV
DifferenceBetween: Difference Between MTP and MSC
Directions on Microsoft: What is MTP?
CrackBerry: On startup - Media Transfer Protocol
Ice Cream Sandwich supports USB mass storage after all, Galaxy Nexus does not
Issues and questions:
[Q] Hidden folders through Android MTP
Nexus 4 not showing files via MTP
[Q][MTP] Certain files/directories hidden to windows file manager?
Connecting to PC files are different!
MTP and hidden files
[Q] Hidden files and MTP/Windows
[Q] Do the S3 still using 2gb partition for data and 12 as virtual sd?
Just got meself a Nexus 7... But!
Upload to dropbox: file timestamps should be preserved
Android File Transfer - For Mac users only

Thanks for this guide !

If I understand this correctly, then devices like the Asus Transformer Eee Pad (TF300T) which has a 16GB or 32GB internal storage, PLUS a microSD card (and standard SD card slot when docked) could use UMC, if the manufacturer made it so (which they haven't), right?

invertedskull said:
If I understand this correctly, then devices like the Asus Transformer Eee Pad (TF300T) which has a 16GB or 32GB internal storage, PLUS a microSD card (and standard SD card slot when docked) could use UMC, if the manufacturer made it so (which they haven't), right?
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The UMC should appear then for the microsd, which you can physically remove from the phone, plus the dock if existent.
For the 16/32 GB internal storage it depends if there is a dedicated partition for internal sdcard. Check it for the Eee Pad.

Well, then I assume(?) Asus were lazy or just didn't think to give us the choice, cos I only have MTP or PTP mode. I miss UMC.

invertedskull said:
Well, then I assume(?) Asus were lazy or just didn't think to give us the choice, cos I only have MTP or PTP mode. I miss UMC.
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Well, assuming that you have your device rooted and with busybox, can you post the output of these three commands
Code:
ls -lR /dev/block
Code:
mount
Code:
su
parted /dev/block/mmcblk0
print

scandiun said:
Well, assuming that you have your device rooted and with busybox, can you post the output of these three commands...
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Sorry, I don't have it rooted. I have been asking around if rooting / unlocking the TF300T would give me the option for UMC, but pretty much everyone told me chances are zip.

invertedskull said:
Sorry, I don't have it rooted. I have been asking around if rooting / unlocking the TF300T would give me the option for UMC, but pretty much everyone told me chances are zip.
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Rooting can't change that because it's hardware implemented. You can't do anything about it. Probably the Eee pad transformer doesn't have a dedicated partition for sdcard.
A quick way to check it is see if the free space for the sdcard and the userdata is exactly the same, and is always like that no matter on which of the two partitions you write.
About the issue anyway, modern phones like Galaxy S3, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note and probably newer like Nexus 2 and Note 2 won't have it anymore, it's just the way to go because takes all the advantage of the free space on the device. It will be the standard from now on.
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If you want UMS on devices that don't have it, you can use DriveDroid from market (there's both free and paid). With it, create a blank file that will be used as "partition". Then you can connect your phone to your computer and put there the songs you want. Then do the same in the car. For example, in my Nexus 7 I've created a 2 GB file which serve for that purpose (takes a while when is big).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39203658&postcount=21

I have 20.71GB free internal, and 1.89GB free on the mSD card. :/

invertedskull said:
I have 20.71GB free internal, and 1.89GB free on the mSD card. :/
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Because the mSD is another sdcard, different than the internal, in case it has it.
Would be great if you could get the partition scheme as I requested before, or ask for it, to definitely rule it out.

scandiun said:
Because the mSD is another sdcard, different than the internal, in case it has it.
Would be great if you could get the partition scheme as I requested before, or ask for it, to definitely rule it out.
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Is this what you need?

when i connect my device with computer(MTP conection), i saw 1drive appear, then i go inside, i saw 2drive(iternal&external with how many free space left), go inside again always empty... how to use it?

I get that also. Just go into either one (internal or external) that you want to copy your files to and do your stuff.

invertedskull said:
Is this what you need?
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More or less. The internal sdcard and the external (microsd) are different, one has 27.15 GB and the other 29.80 GB.
Click in the More... and see if you have UMC for the external microsd

scandiun said:
More or less. The internal sdcard and the external (microsd) are different, one has 27.15 GB and the other 29.80 GB.
Click in the More... and see if you have UMC for the external microsd
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Nope, I only have MTP or PTP. This makes me sad.

Of UMC, MPT, and PTP, which is the most benigh?
I don't know if this is the best place to ask my question, but at least you all seem to understand this all pretty well.
I plug my phone into my PC to just use ADB. Under Gingerbread, I would select "Charge only" as my USB connection type.
With ICS, there is no longer the "Charge Only" option for an USB connection to a PC. I have to pick UMC, MTP, or PTP.
Given I really don't want to use any of those, just ADB, which of the three is the most benign one?

WaltA said:
I don't know if this is the best place to ask my question, but at least you all seem to understand this all pretty well.
I plug my phone into my PC to just use ADB. Under Gingerbread, I would select "Charge only" as my USB connection type.
With ICS, there is no longer the "Charge Only" option for an USB connection to a PC. I have to pick UMC, MTP, or PTP.
Given I really don't want to use any of those, just ADB, which of the three is the most benign one?
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Either the MTP or PTP are the safer ones. There is no possibility to select "none" like was possible in previous version as you say. The UMC has the disadvantage that if you activate the Mass Storage usually the /sdcard won't be available from ADB commands.
Anyway, the ADB is separate from those options. The ADB option is usually found under Developer options. You can use adb with any of the options you say.

Thanks a lot very very helpfull!

oops, delete post. wrong window lol

scandiun said:
Rooting can't change that because it's hardware implemented. You can't do anything about it.
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About the issue anyway, modern phones like Galaxy S3, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note and probably newer like Nexus 2 and Note 2 won't have it anymore, it's just the way to go because takes all the advantage of the free space on the device. It will be the standard from now on.
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I thought I would let you (and anyone else reading this thread) know that your post here is wrong. It's not "hardware implemented" in the sense that these two protocols are software implementations of data transfer. In fact, in many cases, even where there is NOT a microSD card that is mounted as a separate partition from system/data, the UMS/MSC (USB Mass Storage Transfer/Mass Storage Class) can still be implemented by this procedure:
1. Root (and optionally flash a custom ROM, that can be easily modded)
2. boot into alt OS, such as Recovery or OS from alt. source (USB OTG?)
3. Partition such that you have the required "separate partition"
4. add kernel modules/libraries you want and will need for UMS/MSC
5. Boot up and enjoy UMS/MSC as well as MTP (if you don't mind crappy speed)
Done.
Also, regarding MTP/PTP (Media Transfer Protocol, which is actually different from Picture Transfer Protocol), being a future replacement for all "modern phones", I am not so sure. It is designed for that indeed, but the Android community is different from most others. I will personally be going out of my way in the future, to ensure all phones I buy have removable uSDcard slots, as long as I can still find them, because it makes recovery in a bind, much easier (like, if there's a problem establishing communications with a computer, and numerous other possibilities). There's nothing like popping in a 32 or 64 Gig card of movies, training videos, eBooks, etc., within 10 to 20 seconds, vice the hours it will typically take to transfer even 5 Gigs of videos over the MTP protocol. Again, I don't like programs handling all my media for me. I prefer to see the files where they live (a higher fidelity simulation, is afterall, a hallmark property of how sharper minds represent reality, and abstractions from it are always mere shortcuts we use in a hurry). You got an easier method to rapidly check file hashes on your phone, from your laptop? Think of it this way, saying that MTP will "replace" UMS, is like saying Apple will replace Linux.
Regards,
Paul
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VZW GS5 Adoptable storage, how to access.

I have adoptable storage working per the S7 command line method with ADB. Now, as for how I can access it.. Since its encrypted the PC can't read it directly. Is it possible to use linux commands to create a linked folder on the phone's actual internal storage to the root of the adopted sd card? Wouldn't this cause the phone to handle the encryption work and let us have access to it? The other question is would this created link survive a reboot? I remember when I did a linked folder I had to have a script autorun on boot of the Android 3.0 tablet to recreate the link.

Nova5 said:
I have adoptable storage working per the S7 command line method with ADB. Now, as for how I can access it.. Since its encrypted the PC can't read it directly. Is it possible to use linux commands to create a linked folder on the phone's actual internal storage to the root of the adopted sd card? Wouldn't this cause the phone to handle the encryption work and let us have access to it? The other question is would this created link survive a reboot? I remember when I did a linked folder I had to have a script autorun on boot of the Android 3.0 tablet to recreate the link.
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Since adopted storage becomes internal, it's best to think of it as you would a hard drive in your PC. You don't physically connect PCs or remove hard drives to transfer files; you networking or apps. There are a myriad ways to do this: FTP, SMB, BitTorrent Sync (my preferred way), SendAnywhere, SuperBeam, etc.

WiFi is far slower than USB3. USB3 would be my preferred method to load up music on it vs wireless methods.

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WiFi is far slower than USB3. USB3 would be my preferred method to load up music on it vs wireless methods.
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The interface is only theoretically faster. The S5 uses MTP to connect to your PC over USB, which means writes are made at the file level, not the block level. Translation: if a file has changed on the S5, your PC rewrites the entire file instead of just the changes. This makes routine USB file transfer extremely inefficient.
OTOH, using BitTorrent Sync with an 802.11ac router gives me block level write speeds of up to 16 MB/s, which is pretty good for the S5's notoriously slow SD card R/W performance. And if you have a slower router you can just let the network transfer run overnight anyway.

All fine and dandy, but not important to the answer sought. What im looking at doing is creating a symlinked "folder" that I can drop large amounts of data on, and have it sent directly to the card. Permissions are currently the issue on looking into the "private" directory on the phone for its storage. I just have to look up the command structure for the permissions changes when I get time to dig into it. Might not work depending on what protections google put in place to prevent those changes as they could compromise security.