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Hi, Recently I've downloaded video 1080p from youtube but when playing it, the video laggy but the audio just playing properly fine...
I thought it because the decoder set to H/W, but when switched to S/W both video & audio become laggy, then try switched to H/W+ it become worse (doesn't support this kind video it says...).
When I see media info of video, it use VP9 format video.
Here is the video: www[dot]youtube[dot]com/watch?v=aE2GCa-_nyU
I've tried on 3 devices; Asus Zenfone 6, Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1, and LG G2, all of it have the same issues...
And tried on PC to check if the video has errors or something, but the video is playing perfectly fine.
Is it something like bugs so the video didn't play properly? Or android can't play video with format VP9 properly?
Because I've tried other video 1080p, it can be played properly.
Oh FYI, I've tried using few other video player, and none of its can play the video as good as MX Player. That's why I've been using MX Player as default video player.
Hope there will be improvement on the next update so the video VP9 1080p can be played properly
MX Player is the best
All 1080p videos are not same.
It may lag at various parameters like higher frame rate, bitrate, color depth,....etc.
For example if you consider a video 1080p @ 30fps inorder to display 1 sec of videos it needs to decode 30 frames. Where as in 1080p @ 60 fps it requires 60 frames to be decoded. So, It will require the double power. Like wise various encoding parameters matters in video playback.
Second, H/W uses your hardware's native decoder . If the codec is natively supported by your device, H/W decoder will be the best option.
In case of S/W decoder, it supports more video formats since it depends on the ffmpeg. But, decoding will be completely done one CPU. So, it needs very high cpu power. That's why it's more laggy.
Night.Lurker said:
Hi, Recently I've downloaded video 1080p from youtube but when playing it, the video laggy but the audio just playing properly fine...
I thought it because the decoder set to H/W, but when switched to S/W both video & audio become laggy, then try switched to H/W+ it become worse (doesn't support this kind video it says...).
When I see media info of video, it use VP9 format video.
Here is the video: www[dot]youtube[dot]com/watch?v=aE2GCa-_nyU
I've tried on 3 devices; Asus Zenfone 6, Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1, and LG G2, all of it have the same issues...
And tried on PC to check if the video has errors or something, but the video is playing perfectly fine.
Is it something like bugs so the video didn't play properly? Or android can't play video with format VP9 properly?
Because I've tried other video 1080p, it can be played properly.
Oh FYI, I've tried using few other video player, and none of its can play the video as good as MX Player. That's why I've been using MX Player as default video player.
Hope there will be improvement on the next update so the video VP9 1080p can be played properly
MX Player is the best
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VP9 isn't a widely supported format. That's likely why HW and HW+ don't work well with it; most devices don't have VP9 hardware acceleration.
SW rendering of a 1080p video is very demanding. Even on the most powerful devices, since there's no hardware acceleration, expect performance to be sub-par. Currently, devices on the market can only SW render 720p smoothly.
This being said, for SW mode, try Settings > Decoder > use speedup tricks. See if that helps a little bit on SW.
Ultimately, the best option is to reencode the video to something like H264/AVC mp4.
VP9 on KitKat+
I've tried on 3 devices; Asus Zenfone 6, Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1, and LG G2, all of it have the same issues...
And tried on PC to check if the video has errors or something, but the video is playing perfectly fine.
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Can you explain more where you're trying to playback the video? VP9 support is built in to Android from KitKat+ and should not have an issue playing back. Additionally, can you try playing back the video on Chrome on Android and see if there are still decode issues?
Thanks.
ktsamy said:
All 1080p videos are not same.
It may lag at various parameters like higher frame rate, bitrate, color depth,....etc.
For example if you consider a video 1080p @ 30fps inorder to display 1 sec of videos it needs to decode 30 frames. Where as in 1080p @ 60 fps it requires 60 frames to be decoded. So, It will require the double power. Like wise various encoding parameters matters in video playback.
Second, H/W uses your hardware's native decoder . If the codec is natively supported by your device, H/W decoder will be the best option.
In case of S/W decoder, it supports more video formats since it depends on the ffmpeg. But, decoding will be completely done one CPU. So, it needs very high cpu power. That's why it's more laggy.
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CDB-Man said:
VP9 isn't a widely supported format. That's likely why HW and HW+ don't work well with it; most devices don't have VP9 hardware acceleration.
SW rendering of a 1080p video is very demanding. Even on the most powerful devices, since there's no hardware acceleration, expect performance to be sub-par. Currently, devices on the market can only SW render 720p smoothly.
This being said, for SW mode, try Settings > Decoder > use speedup tricks. See if that helps a little bit on SW.
Ultimately, the best option is to reencode the video to something like H264/AVC mp4.
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I see... So the point is the problem because most devices don't have VP9 hardware accelaration yet, especially for 1080p VP9...
Well... I've tried using SW speed up trick, it didn't much help...
Yeah...maybe the best option is to reencode the video to H264...or download 720p version..., cause the 720p VP9 can be played perfectly fine.
Still... I hope the MX Player developer team has plan to improve playback for 1080p VP9 video
Btw thanks for your answer bro
gurupanguji said:
Can you explain more where you're trying to playback the video? VP9 support is built in to Android from KitKat+ and should not have an issue playing back. Additionally, can you try playing back the video on Chrome on Android and see if there are still decode issues?
Thanks.
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As I said before, I'm trying to play 1080p VP9 video (that I've downloaded from youtube using IDM on computer) on my Asus Zenfone 6, Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1, & LG G2 using MX Player.
But when I playing it, the video is laggy on all devices...
Surely you can streaming it using youtube app & chrome android and it plays well till the end cause the available quality option in those apps is up to 720p (the 1080p quality option is hidden on those apps so I can't select it to test if it plays well or not).
Night.Lurker said:
Still... I hope the MX Player developer team has plan to improve playback for 1080p VP9 video
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That would be something you would have to ask the ffmpeg team to do, since MX uses their codecs. Unless the MX dev has a magic trick up his sleeve, I don't think there's much else MX can do to further improve SW playback performance for a video that exceeds the CPU's capabilities...
Likewise, on a hardware acceleration, it's limited by the hardwaree put in place by the manufacturer... so this aspect would need a new device.
Hi, i bumping this thread because i encountered the issue on some youtube vids too, but it's mostly playing fine, i think that with a few updates it will be good my phone is getting hot fast though.. (oneplus one)
VP9 1440p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNNfZuIA1GQ : fine
VP9 1080p with a lot of "motion" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGyZY4HNumw a bit laggy
I think I have already answered.
Read the second post. Video encoding parameters matters.
If you can't play in H/W or H/W+ decoder, Don't expect the smooth playback on S/W. It fully depends on CPU. If is laggy then your processor is not powerful enough. Sometime enabling the speed up tricks may reduce the lagging.
One more thing, using CPU will drain your battery faster than H/W. When CPU runs it's maximum speed for long time it will emit more heat which may lead to issues.
ktsamy said:
I think I have already answered.
Read the second post. Video encoding parameters matters.
If you can't play in H/W or H/W+ decoder, Don't expect the smooth playback on S/W. It fully depends on CPU. If is laggy then your processor is not powerful enough. Sometime enabling the speed up tricks may reduce the lagging.
One more thing, using CPU will drain your battery faster than H/W. When CPU runs it's maximum speed for long time it will emit more heat which may lead to issues.
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Okay thank you. Then i hope new processors will have vp9 decoding h/w
coc014 said:
Okay thank you. Then i hope new processors will have vp9 decoding h/w
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The chance of that happening, I can't see to be high. The MPEG consortium probably pays a lot to lobby chipset makers to only support MPEG formats, such as H.264 and H.265.
CDB-Man said:
The MPEG consortium probably pays a lot to lobby chipset makers to only support MPEG formats, such as H.264 and H.265.
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Lolno, it's just that industry is not interested in VP9. Even if they don't have to pay royalties they still have to develop asics (and h/w engineers are saying that it's not h/w friendly) and include them into the chip. It still costs a lot.
And what is the point of supporting vp9? It's an ugly google toy that they're ready to abandon (say hello to vp10 in 2015).
Ah yes, ASICs. I don't think manufacturers would be very happy at making more dies for new ICs. They already aren't happy with being forced to support Hi10p in H.265.
Forced? I would be happy if they were forced, but, at least Qualcomm, have no plans whatsoever
vivan000 said:
Forced? I would be happy if they were forced, but, at least Qualcomm, have no plans whatsoever
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Well, this sucks. Looks like we'll be waiting another generation... Where did you find that support chart?
Edit: We should move this discussion to the 10-bit thread. I'm going to quote you over there. http://forum.xda-developers.com/app...layer-10-bit-video-discussion-t2725241/page12
abput supporting vp9 1080p and undeleting files in mx player p higher andrpid version
first of all:
"Most probably you’re on Android marshmallow 6.0 API. If you’re trying to delete a video that is located on the external storage then its not possible due to some bug in the file system and mx player.
If you’re on the internal storage then MX player has only read only rights on the directory on which you’re currently on."
or just delete on your internal system file manager application.
Second answer about playng videos vp9
becayse you can't play vp9 if you download youtube videos with IDM (internet download manager)
because it is bull**** and its newer versions used idmmkvlib.01 codec.so when downloadimg it not only download andit convert into ist bull**** special format.so won't play withx pr others.try another downloader or manual download yt videos i recomend.
I want to play 720p HEVC H.265 in MX Player. Does it depends on mobile? Do I need to download any codecs? What are the minimum requirements to play HEVC in MX Player smoothly? Pleasy do reply.
awesomealpesh said:
I want to play 720p HEVC H.265 in MX Player. Does it depends on mobile? Do I need to download any codecs? What are the minimum requirements to play HEVC in MX Player smoothly? Pleasy do reply.
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Yes, it's completely depends on device.
If the device natively supports HEVC, you can play HEVC in HW decoder. Else, SW decoder is the only option. But, it needs very powerful processor.
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Hevc
If I want to play it in SW, then how much powerful processor is needed?
It will be a great help if you mention minimum requirements for PC too.
Thanks
awesomealpesh said:
If I want to play it in SW, then how much powerful processor is needed?
It will be a great help if you mention minimum requirements for PC too.
Thanks
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It depends upon the quality of the video.
Just try yourself. If SW is laggy, your processor is not powerful enough to play that video.
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awesomealpesh said:
If I want to play it in SW, then how much powerful processor is needed?
It will be a great help if you mention minimum requirements for PC too.
Thanks
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Any Device, with CyanogenOS 12.1 / CyanogenMod 12.1 Can play smoothly in HW for 720p hevc/x265 8bit (10bit, not sure) @ 25fps.
With the same codec & resolution above 25fps, You need a device Display of 720p Resolution (Must).
For PC (Windows Platform Only), The Best of The Best - K-Lite Mega Codec Pack ( Much better than VLC ) URL :-
http://codecguide.com
Deblocking feature would be great for that. We can disable deblocking for highly compressed videos to achieve a better decoding.
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Any Device, with CyanogenOS 12.1 / CyanogenMod 12.1 Can play smoothly in HW for 720p hevc/x265 8bit (10bit, not sure) @ 25fps.
With the same codec & resolution above 25fps, You need a device Display of 720p Resolution (Must).
For PC (Windows Platform Only), The Best of The Best - K-Lite Mega Codec Pack ( Much better than VLC ) URL :-
http://codecguide.com
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You are completely wrong...!
Eventhough rom configuration also plays a vital role in multimedia performance, it's mainly depends on the processor. If I am not wrong to implement HW acceleration for HEVC the chipset must support HEVC.
In device with unsupported chipset can't be HW accelerated even when you use Cyanogen(Mod/OS) 12.1.
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Hi i have wonderings, concerning HEVC on phones.
I can play my H265 videos on my phones enough smoothly (i used to have a Honor 6, and now it's a Oneplus X) - tryed VLC or MX Player Pro (+AC3&DTS Codec).
Yet i can't move inside any video. if i try to, the video always restart from the beginning. It's really annoying to me.
Concerning the HiSilicon processor, i thought there was some incompatibility, but with the OPX's SD801, everything should be fine, shouldn't it ?
Thanks in advance for your help
Lord_Babass said:
Hi i have wonderings, concerning HEVC on phones.
I can play my H265 videos on my phones enough smoothly (i used to have a Honor 6, and now it's a Oneplus X) - tryed VLC or MX Player Pro (+AC3&DTS Codec).
Yet i can't move inside any video. if i try to, the video always restart from the beginning. It's really annoying to me.
Concerning the HiSilicon processor, i thought there was some incompatibility, but with the OPX's SD801, everything should be fine, shouldn't it ?
Thanks in advance for your help
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SW or HW decoder? Also, sounds like your video may have container wrapping issues, if you cannot seek.
OnePlus One should have more than enough power.
I've tried sw,hw, and hw+.
The behavior keeps the same.
As i mostly watch downloaded mangas, i've tried different ones, from different groups, but always impossible to seek inside a video...
What i understand from you is that it is not normal, and not a known issue... Crap!
ktsamy said:
You are completely wrong...!
Eventhough rom configuration also plays a vital role in multimedia performance, it's mainly depends on the processor. If I am not wrong to implement HW acceleration for HEVC the chipset must support HEVC.
In device with unsupported chipset can't be HW accelerated even when you use Cyanogen(Mod/OS) 12.1.
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@ktsamy, I Just Forgot That.
Thanks Mate.
@CDB-Man do you think it is something you can reproduce/investigate? (in OPX we have SD801 version aa i think...)
i truly believe that very few people use H265 for now, so such problem may keep marginal.
i haven't mentioned that i have tried every video reader i found on google play, all behave the same.
Or maybe does it come from the manufacturer's implementation/drivers in its rom ? (what about SD801 with samsung's S5 phone?)
I haven't encountered any seek issues specific to HEVC; what I have seen before are videos not in a proper MKV or other container, and therefore you cannot seek it.
A raw .hevc video stream file, you may not be able to seek.
So MX player is great and all, and I download videos from youtube. Recently I downloaded one that MX player cannot really play using HW or HW+ and I'd like to find out why. Interestingly, the program I use to download videos from youtube (on PC) lists all the formats the video exists in, and there are two "1080p60" versions of different sizes. After opening them up with a program called MediaInfo, they seem to use different codecs/formats. One is AVC, the other is VP9.
When I said "MX player cannot really play" I mean "one video will show the first frame, audio will play normally, frames do not advance" (the AVC one). The VP9 one plays like a slide show with a frame updating every couple seconds, occasionally playing 2-3 frames at a time.
So yeah if anyone with more know-how could take a look at the video files in question, that'd be great. Here's the youtube video in question if you have your own way to download videos: SfjYhQ0dfCk
I WAS going to post dropbox links to 1) the two versions of the same video and 2) HTML files of the MediaInfo output and 3) The URL of the youtube video, but the forum is touchy about that apparently. Thank christ it doesn't complain about youtube video IDs.
H/W & H/W+ decoder uses android's internal decoder.
Looks like you device doesn't natively support playback @60fps.
S/W may play. But, it may be laggy if the processor is not powerful enough.
Ah okay. I thought it would at least play it very choppily but the video does not play at all. If I seek a few frames will play but then it will freeze again.
I'm also an idiot and forgot to mention that this is on a Galaxy S4. quad-core 1.8.
Majora_Luna said:
So MX player is great and all, and I download videos from youtube. Recently I downloaded one that MX player cannot really play using HW or HW+ and I'd like to find out why. Interestingly, the program I use to download videos from youtube (on PC) lists all the formats the video exists in, and there are two "1080p60" versions of different sizes. After opening them up with a program called MediaInfo, they seem to use different codecs/formats. One is AVC, the other is VP9.
When I said "MX player cannot really play" I mean "one video will show the first frame, audio will play normally, frames do not advance" (the AVC one). The VP9 one plays like a slide show with a frame updating every couple seconds, occasionally playing 2-3 frames at a time.
So yeah if anyone with more know-how could take a look at the video files in question, that'd be great. Here's the youtube video in question if you have your own way to download videos: SfjYhQ0dfCk
I WAS going to post dropbox links to 1) the two versions of the same video and 2) HTML files of the MediaInfo output and 3) The URL of the youtube video, but the forum is touchy about that apparently. Thank christ it doesn't complain about youtube video IDs.
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Would you share download link of both videos? Your link 'SfjYhQ0dfCk' is actually not a link.
There are many reasons why video not playing properly or not supporting HW acceleration.
Sometimes bug or limitation of device's media framework, sometimes bug of MX Player, sometimes corruption of video file, and so forth.
I have a 2015 model of sony bravia android tv, and it has a MT5890 CPU and a mali T-624 GPU. I installed the latest version of mx player and armv7 neon codec.
I am able to play x265 coded videos with built-in video player without any problem, it's very smooth, and I can skip forward or backward or just jump to whenever I wish to.
However when using mx player, it's also very smooth, but I can only play from the beginning, if I try to skip forward or backward, or jump to a certain time point, it starts to act very weird. Sometimes video speeds up 2x or 3x, sometimes it slows down, like it's catching up or slowing down to wait audio to be synchronized. And it can take from couple of minutes to half an hour to go back to normal.
This only applies to x265 coded videos, I have other video that are coded with x264 or HEVC, and they work just fine in both built-in player and mx player.
I have tried other video players like spmc, kodi or VLC, they all stutter, VLC is probably the best among these but it is still dropping frames left and right. But most of them don't have problem with skipping or jumping.
Can someone please explain the reason? Could it be fixed?
Much appreciated!
terrytw said:
I have a 2015 model of sony bravia android tv, and it has a MT5890 CPU and a mali T-624 GPU. I installed the latest version of mx player and armv7 neon codec.
I am able to play x265 coded videos with built-in video player without any problem, it's very smooth, and I can skip forward or backward or just jump to whenever I wish to.
However when using mx player, it's also very smooth, but I can only play from the beginning, if I try to skip forward or backward, or jump to a certain time point, it starts to act very weird. Sometimes video speeds up 2x or 3x, sometimes it slows down, like it's catching up or slowing down to wait audio to be synchronized. And it can take from couple of minutes to half an hour to go back to normal.
This only applies to x265 coded videos, I have other video that are coded with x264 or HEVC, and they work just fine in both built-in player and mx player.
I have tried other video players like spmc, kodi or VLC, they all stutter, VLC is probably the best among these but it is still dropping frames left and right. But most of them don't have problem with skipping or jumping.
Can someone please explain the reason? Could it be fixed?
Much appreciated!
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Basically, x265 is an encoder for HEVC. So, both are same.
Maybe some particular HEVC profile has issues. Can you try HW+ decoder?
Thirumalai.K said:
Basically, x265 is an encoder for HEVC. So, both are same.
Maybe some particular HEVC profile has issues. Can you try HW+ decoder?
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In fact I am using HW+ decoder, and it's the only way I can play those videos smoothly. Switching to HW or SW would make the video either completely unplayable or stutter very heavily.
To sum it up, I CAN play any videos with built-in player smoothly and drag or jump or skip however I want to.
I CAN play x265 coded files smoothly with mx player in HW+ mode, but I CANNOT jump or skip. I CAN play any other videos with mx player without any problem.
I CAN play x265 coded files with some level of stutter with other players like spmc and VLC, but I CAN drag or jump however I want to.
The videos that I am having problem with have these kind of parameters:
Format : HEVC
Format Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main [email protected]@High
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Writing library : x265 2.5+4-b4a5bcfe29c7:[Windows][GCC 4.9.3][64 bit] 10bit
If the writing library is x264 or ATEME Titan KFE or ATEME Titan file, or if the codec ID is hev1, or if the format profile is Main [email protected]@Main, I don't have a problem.
This is so weird....
To the TC - Did you ever get this sorted?
I am having the same issue on my Sony Bravia. Whilst the actual player is exactly what I wanted, I get exactly the same issue when fast forwarding or rewinding.
I have played around with the different codec settings but it doesn't seem to make any differences.
Did you end up finding a solution?
Cheers
littlelostkiwi said:
To the TC - Did you ever get this sorted?
I am having the same issue on my Sony Bravia. Whilst the actual player is exactly what I wanted, I get exactly the same issue when fast forwarding or rewinding.
I have played around with the different codec settings but it doesn't seem to make any differences.
Did you end up finding a solution?
Cheers
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Glad to see that I am not alone. But unfortunately I did not find any solution and had given up on this.
After all, it is only a tiny fraction of all the videos have this kind of behavior.
Thank you for the confirmation
(Yes, I know i already asked about this in the Asus Zenfone 3 subforum.)
The title says it all. Basically MX Player plays HEVC encoded videos on this phone using software decoding, even though this device has hardware decoding support for that codec. Can anyone explain it to me why?
I will attach a bug report as soon as I figure out how add attachments.
AronNemeth2001 said:
(Yes, I know i already asked about this in the Asus Zenfone 3 subforum.)
The title says it all. Basically MX Player plays HEVC encoded videos on this phone using software decoding, even though this device has hardware decoding support for that codec. Can anyone explain it to me why?
I will attach a bug report as soon as I figure out how add attachments.
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Hi,
It depends. Not all HEVC files are same. For example your device may only support HEVC main profile upto 1080P @ 30fps.
In such cases, you can't play any HEVC 4K file or an HEVC file encoded with the Main10 profile or a video HEVC video with 60fps (in HW+, it may lag).
If you can't upload the logs here, you can share the link after uploading to anywhere else (like Google Drive, Dropbox, etc.,).
If you have issues with links as well, then just mask it ( Like replace http with h**p)
Thanks for the reply!
Here is the report:
h**ps://drive.google.com/file/d/14lguX8sJefjLzBS7w2vOaoqMjQaufn4u/view?usp=drivesdk
AronNemeth2001 said:
Thanks for the reply!
Here is the report:
h**ps://drive.google.com/file/d/14lguX8sJefjLzBS7w2vOaoqMjQaufn4u/view?usp=drivesdk
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There is no log about the playback. Maybe some other app is generating too many logs.
Kindly Increase the log buffer size on developer options on your system & collect the log again immediately after attempting to play in HW & HW+.
Never mind, I've figured it out. The problem was that the videos I tried to play were encoded at level 4, while my phone only supports hardware decoding up to level 3.1.
Again, thanks for your help.