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Fast charging N1

It seems the only way to fast charge a N1 is with the supplied wall charger. Standard Micro USB chargers whould only allow at much as 450mA of charge current regardless of the adapter current capacity.
The bundled charger however, manages to push 900mA into the N1. I made a cut in the charger wires and measured the current draw to make sure.
Now.. I'd like my car charger to be able to do the same. There must be some hack in the plug of the N1 charger since there are only 2 conductors from the case to the plug. You can see that the plug is somewhat longer than similar Micro USB plugs..
So I tried to see if one of the 3 unused pins can tell me anything but.. they seem unconnected as far as I could tell. Diode measurement (to test for any digital part inside) also did not produce any results. The next obvious step is to take the molded plug apart but I'd rather not...
Does anyone have any clue as to what makes that plug so special?
And please - I did my tests with a bench power supply - not the car chargers - so don't go around telling me it has to do with charger current capacity.
Thanks,
Nir

are you sure the micro usb cords you are using are able to handle the amps? most chargers made prior to now, only push about 450mA, the G1, and N1 chargers i have push a full amp though. I just ordered a car charger that pushes an amp too. There is nothing "special" about the plug.

followinginsanity said:
are you sure the micro usb cords you are using are able to handle the amps? most chargers made prior to now, only push about 450mA, the G1, and N1 chargers i have push a full amp though. I just ordered a car charger that pushes an amp too. There is nothing "special" about the plug.
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I beg to differ. All the cords can easily supply 1 AMP. It is the phone itself that decides how much to draw from the charger based on something IN THE PLUG.
I am an electronics engineer so do understand I know perfectly what I am talking about
And your 1A car charger does not supply anything over 0.45A to the phone.. you will see that if you are using the phone while it charges (say nav or phone call) the phone actually looses some charge albeit it being charged... This will not happen with the stock wall charger.

I have a 900mAh car charger that I use and it does in fact give 900mAh to the phone while charging. I can tell because I used a 450mAh charger at home before and it was slooow and I could drain my phone while charging it. With the car charger I can stream music with spotify, use the GPS, have the screen on full brightness and the battery % will still go up.
I also bought a new wall charger recently, which is 850mAh on the USB port and has a 350mAh charger for a loose battery as well, works quite nice.

Has anyone measured the voltage or put a scope on the output of the stock charger?
maybe stock charger has a slight variance in voltage over USB chargers or some signalling going on and this tells the N1 to take more current from it?
I would like a solution to this too I've seen my phone discharge while on a supposedly 1A car charger using co-pilot.

SBS_ said:
I have a 900mAh car charger that I use and it does in fact give 900mAh to the phone while charging. I can tell because I used a 450mAh charger at home before and it was slooow and I could drain my phone while charging it. With the car charger I can stream music with spotify, use the GPS, have the screen on full brightness and the battery % will still go up.
I also bought a new wall charger recently, which is 850mAh on the USB port and has a 350mAh charger for a loose battery as well, works quite nice.
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Forget the numbers on the chargers - what counts is what really goes into the phone and that needs to be measured with a current meter (test equipment). What you may think to be fast might not be that.
Original HTC chargers obviously do the trick of fast charging but this comes at a price compared to the $3-$4 garden variety on Ebay and the likes.

now I cannot help you with the electronics at all, but, my old HTC Touch Pro charger seems to charge the same as the one which came with the phone, is this correct?
(suits me if it is, as then I have a charger for home and work)
my blackberry bold 2 charger only says it outputs 700MAh, but both the google and htc chargers both say 1.0A

dnts said:
Forget the numbers on the chargers - what counts is what really goes into the phone and that needs to be measured with a current meter (test equipment). What you may think to be fast might not be that.
Original HTC chargers obviously do the trick of fast charging but this comes at a price compared to the $3-$4 garden variety on Ebay and the likes.
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Yes, it is just anecdotal evidence as I don't have any equipment to measure it. But my phone no longer discharges when I use it while charging, which it used to do with the old charger I used. So while I can say for a fact that the charger I use now is faster, I can't say by how much (this goes for both the car charger and the one I put in the wall socket).

I ordered this charger a few weeks ago and it charges my phone as fast as the original charger. The label says 5v / 1200mA.
Genuine Nokia Mini AC-10U US Type AC Charger (100~240V)
$7,25 and free shipping. (Takes a while before you get it tho.)
GazzaK said:
now I cannot help you with the electronics at all, but, my old HTC Touch Pro charger seems to charge the same as the one which came with the phone, is this correct?
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HTC Touch Pro = mini USB
Nexus One = micro USB

Not an engineering here, but I am guessing the phone not always drawing more than 500ma may be is to do with the charger itself.
There is this "fast charge" USB standard where a wall plug has the USB data pins shorted to indicate that it is a wall plug and hence the phone knows when to draw more power. So even if the charger is rated 1A, the phone might not know if it could utilize that if those pins aren't shorted. Try doing a quick Google on this ....
If someone can test if the stock charger that came with the phone in fact does have those pins shorted that would confirm part of this theory.

For all practical purpose - I used two cables/plugs with a bench adjustable power supply. Simple micro USB plug would only let me draw 450mA regardless of power supply voltage in the range 4.5-5.5V. Tried shorting data pins - nothing. Tried shorting spare pin to VCC or GND or any of the other pins - nothing.
Used original cable and plug - draws 900mA at voltages from 4.9-5.5.
So it's in the plug somehow.
Tried (very difficult) to see if the pins on the plug are shorted and all 3 spares (except for 5V and GND) seems unconnected.
Next step is the irreversible hot knife...

I'm bugged by this, too. I tested with my desktop dock connected to my car charger (which states 1000 mA): it loads slowly and my battery widget reports USB- instead of AC-charger.
Might it be that the phone tries to load more than 1000 mA at the beginning to be sure that it doesn't overload the charger? And if that fails, it falls back to 500 mA?

Could N1 use a simple logic of:
- always watch the voltage
- start drawing 500ma (or whichever is the lowest current as per USB spec)
- increment in say 50ma steps
- if voltage drops below 4.x V, back off and stay at that level

I just did a little test of my own. I have a Palm Pre car charger (actual Palm brand one labeled as 1000ma output) and I plunged my N1 into it on my way home from work. In twenty eight minutes, my battery went from 47% to 70%. Much faster than plugging into my computer, which is 500ma max. I don't have any fancy test equipment, and don't claim to know a whole lot about electronics, but seems pretty fast to me.

I have a 4-port 2A 5v USB charger, and connecting it to my Nexus OR Milestone with a MicroUSB cable (the one that shipped with either phone, or the one from my Kindle) yields painfully slow charging - it basically won't charge if you are using the phone.
Connecting the Nexus One charger yields fast charging on either phone - so it is not HTC (or Motorola) proprietary.
The Milestone comes with a 900mA USB plug, and connecting THAT to either phone with either of the MicroUSB cables yields fast charging.
I have another aftermarket 2 port 2A 5V USB wall charger (brand: T'nB) AND I have an iPhone USB plug, and both give fast charging on the Milestone, and I have not yet tried them on the Nexus One.
Breakdown (on things I've tried):
FAST CHARGING on Nexus One AND Milestone:
Nexus charger (either in the US (110v/60hz) or in France (220v/50hz) through an adaptor)
Milestone wall French USB plug (which I think is something odd like 850mA at 5.9v) with ANY microUSB cable (in fact, it seems to charge both of the phones faster than the stock Nexus One plug)
SLOW CHARGING on Nexus One AND Milestone:
USB plug on computer
One aftermarket 4 port 2A 5V USB charger (NOT a hub, only a charger)
FAST CHARGING on Milestone, untested with Nexus One
T'nB 2 port 5v 2A USB wall charger
Apple iPhone 1 port 1A 5v USB wall adaptor

Seems found the answer for Fast Charging N1
I had just do some test for Charging N1 With Original AC Charger , Other band USB Charger and PC USB charger.
1. Orginal Charger give N1 from 0% to 100% at about 2 hour and something.
2. The other band AC charger and PC USB Charger can only finish the same job over 5 to 6 hours.
The Fast Charging is Due to 5.1V (Measured at N1) and 5.2V(Measured inside AC charger). 0.1V Drop is due to resistance of USB cable.
The Slow charged is due to 4.8V (measured at N1) and 5.0V (measured on PC USB and Other AC Charger)
i.e. Original Charger mod from 5.0 V to 5.2V (about 10% increase in Voltage)

Looks my theory is correct then ? N1 watches the voltage and if it droops too much, it backs off the current.
So the key would be: get a charger than can maintain at least 1A @ 5.2V, use
a decent gauge, short wire from the brick to N1.

Has anyone tried a Blackberry charger on the N1? Will they work to full capacity as well? (They're on Amazon for a fiver)

Because the nokia charger is working
http://pinoutsguide.com/CellularPhones-Nokia/micro_usb_connector_pinout.shtml
see info under table.
I tested also HP charger + standard USB cable delivered with Nexus, and it is charching cca 1A.
Then I tested one noname Carcharger + standard USB cable delivered with Nexus, and also charging cca 1A.
I dismantle the noname carcharger and here is a result:
data line (pin2+3) is shorted and connected do + (pin1 ,Vcc) thrue resistor cca 630kOhm.
1 - 4 = 5.1V
2,3 - 4 = 3.2V
rashid11 said:
Looks my theory is correct then ? N1 watches the voltage and if it droops too much, it backs off the current.
So the key would be: get a charger than can maintain at least 1A @ 5.2V, use
a decent gauge, short wire from the brick to N1.
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I try to use power supply 5.2V 2A with cable without dataline (pin 2and3 not connected) and it is charging 480mA only.

I have now tested with an HTC car charger for the HD2. It's fast charging (tested with Waze running, two bluetooth connections and playing mp3 - and it's still loading the battery, whereas before it would be stuck at the current percentage) and even shows AC power instead of USB.

Can I use a Blackberry Charger to charge my Droid?

My Samsung Droid Charge charger has an OUTPUT of the same voltage and 700 MILI amps.
My Blackberry Bold charger OUTPUT has the same voltage but is 1 AMP output... or 1,000 MILI amps.
If I use the Blackberry charger in my new Samsung Droid Charge will that mess anything up in the Samsung? could it shorten the life of the battery?
Thanks!

sure can, including wall chargers and car chargers

well if the amperage doesn't match exactly couldn't that mess up the Droid Charge?

it should be fine...but you might confuse your phone into thinking that it is a cutting edge smartphone circa 2006

If the power output of the charger you want to use is rated at less than what the OEM one is, you would only damage the charger itself if it isn't made properly.
The phone will pull a specific charge from the charger, say 500mA as an example. If the charger is rated at 400mA and doesn't have wiring to prevent an over-draw, you will damage the charger, especially if you use it for extended periods of time. If the charger does have circuitry to prevent over-drawing power, you'll just charge the phone slower. If you use a charger rated at 1000mA and the phone pulls down 500mA, using a higher rated charger doesn't make the phone charge faster as it will still just pull the 500mA. You'd just be less likely to damage the charger using one rated for more than what the device will accept.

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imnuts said:
If the power output of the charger you want to use is rated at less than what the OEM one is, you would only damage the charger itself if it isn't made properly.
The phone will pull a specific charge from the charger, say 500mA as an example. If the charger is rated at 400mA and doesn't have wiring to prevent an over-draw, you will damage the charger, especially if you use it for extended periods of time. If the charger does have circuitry to prevent over-drawing power, you'll just charge the phone slower. If you use a charger rated at 1000mA and the phone pulls down 500mA, using a higher rated charger doesn't make the phone charge faster as it will still just pull the 500mA. You'd just be less likely to damage the charger using one rated for more than what the device will accept.
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I had purchased a usb cable a couple of years ago on kijiji for my BB bold back then because I didnt have a charger for it. Then I got the S3 and one time I randomly used the BB cable connected to the S3 charger via USB, I noticed the phone charged WAYY faster than the normal S3 cable does. Now I got an S4, and it still charges a lot faster than the normal cable for it. In fact I'm charging both my S3 and S4 at the same time right now, the S3 with normal cable charged from 4% to 15% in the exact same amount of time my S4 charged from 48% to 72% with BB cable. Does this mean I'm damaging my charger that's connected to the BB cable?

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I had purchased a usb cable a couple of years ago on kijiji for my BB bold back then because I didnt have a charger for it. Then I got the S3 and one time I randomly used the BB cable connected to the S3 charger via USB, I noticed the phone charged WAYY faster than the normal S3 cable does. Now I got an S4, and it still charges a lot faster than the normal cable for it. In fact I'm charging both my S3 and S4 at the same time right now, the S3 with normal cable charged from 4% to 15% in the exact same amount of time my S4 charged from 48% to 72% with BB cable. Does this mean I'm damaging my charger that's connected to the BB cable?
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If by charger you mean that little box that plugs into the wall, that is actually a power supply. It just converts 120VAC 20A to 5VDC and whatever current it specifies. Also the stock s4 uses qualcomm quick charge, which means that if you use the stock power supply with the s4, it will charge at up to twice normal speed, provided you have a compatible cable (which it seems the BB cable is).
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[Q] I just found out my N5 apparently supports fast charging

So my friend borrowed me his charger from his phone, which is a galaxy edge. It said it was charging rapidly and omg it sure did. It was super fast. Does the N5 support any kind of fast charge? Will this break my battert?
Also attaching screenshot
Thx,
Dan

how many output amps was that charger?

I tried charger that came with Galaxy S6, which has output of 5V - 2A, and 9V - 1.7A when recognizes fast charging device. It charges my N5 from 15% to 100% in about one hour, but on lockscreen, it only says "Charging", and charges it really fast, without heating the phone, which then seems to be pretty much safe.
@tampitzel If the phone doesn't get hot to touch on the back while not used when charging (warm is ok), then it probably is safe to use.
If the screen starts to flicker, or doesn't respond well to touches (eg. while typing), that means that charger is giving too much voltage and that's bad for phone. But that mostly happens with cheap non-original chargers.
Cheers!

Mairo said:
how many output amps was that charger?
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I will check, I didn't look to be honest, I was just baffled by fast charging

Nexus 5's OEM Charger (by LG) is rated at 1 amp - whereas the Blackberry OEM travel charger (folding plugs) is rated at 1.8 amp - been using it for a year - and, it fast charge the battery typically in 1 to 2 hours (even when it's down to 25% to 40% on heavy use for the day) with its extra long micro-usb cable. http://www.amazon.com/BlackBerry-Pr...1449956341&sr=8-6&keywords=blackberry+charger
No need for custom rom or other "tweaks" - for in-car use, a 2-amp mobile charger with a high quality micro-usb cable is the "key".

Good and beefy cable makes an improvement more than you would ever imagine!

The stock charger is rated for 1.2A not 1A.
The Nexus 5 doesn't have any kind of official fast charging. However it will allow up to a 1.8A charge rate. Plug in a 2.4A charger it won't go any higher than 1.8A. Its what the TI power circuitry is rated for.
I find it a bit strange that through coincidence that the Blackberry folding blade charger is the best (I would say perfect) charger for the N5. It was cheap and plentiful as well as high quality.

Any chance to reach charging beyond 1500mAH consistently?

Good day. I have a g930L. I'm using an old original galaxy s4 charger with a 2A output. I've tried monitoring the current with ampere pro and noticed that charging goes up to 1700mah but for only a very short time like a couple of seconds and reduce down to 1A. It stays for 1000A until it fully charges. I used also ipad charger 10W and still same behavior. I also tried different cables but only a maximum ofless than 1800. Buying a wireless fast charging will make the phone reach 2A?

012512 said:
Good day. I have a g930L. I'm using an old original galaxy s4 charger with a 2A output. I've tried monitoring the current with ampere pro and noticed that charging goes up to 1700mah but for only a very short time like a couple of seconds and reduce down to 1A. It stays for 1000A until it fully charges. I used also ipad charger 10W and still same behavior. I also tried different cables but only a maximum ofless than 1800. Buying a wireless fast charging will make the phone reach 2A?
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You can use my app to monitor charging more easily
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/charge-monitor-t3555496?nocache=1&styleid=22
To answer your question, wireless charging produces a bit more heat so I don't think it'll charge more rapidly. If you want to charge faster make sure fast changing is on.
Settings - Device maintenance - Battery - overflow menu - Advanced settings

012512 said:
Good day. I have a g930L. I'm using an old original galaxy s4 charger with a 2A output. I've tried monitoring the current with ampere pro and noticed that charging goes up to 1700mah but for only a very short time like a couple of seconds and reduce down to 1A. It stays for 1000A until it fully charges. I used also ipad charger 10W and still same behavior. I also tried different cables but only a maximum ofless than 1800. Buying a wireless fast charging will make the phone reach 2A?
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How about buying an official S7 charger?
Doesn't sound like rocket science that old S4 chargers and chargers designed for completely different devices are not charging the S7 the way it was intended

Question PPS Charger

When i plug my P7P in to an Anker Nano III the P7P vibrates 4 times about 10 seconds apart before charging commences normally, is this how a PPS charger negotiates with the phone or is there a problem be it the charger or the phone?

Didn't even know what PPS was, but just did some reading on it. That explains my car charger. The delay happens no matter what I plug up, my iPad, wireless earphones cases, Pixel 4 XL, and now my 7 Pro. Seems like they're working as intended.
What is PPS Fast Charging, and What’s the Difference Between PD, QC, and PPS?
As the latest addition to the PD 3.0 standard, the PPS fast charging standard is the best charging technology for USB-C devices. Get a RAVPower PPS fast charger and power your devices in minutes!
blog.ravpower.com

Never noticed this with my OnePlus 9 charger (that's also a PPS charger). I'll have to look out for it next time.

MrBelter said:
When i plug my P7P in to an Anker Nano III the P7P vibrates 4 times about 10 seconds apart before charging commences normally, is this how a PPS charger negotiates with the phone or is there a problem be it the charger or the phone?
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Well, even if the charger fails to negotiate the PPS charging protocol, it would be still charing at minimum speed, usually the standard 5 Volts at around 1-2 Amps (depending on the charger/phone).
It seems like it's being interrupted for some reason. Unless you have the same issue with other chargers, I'm pretty sure it's the charger you're trying to use (Maybe even the cable).

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When i plug my P7P in to an Anker Nano III the P7P vibrates 4 times about 10 seconds apart before charging commences normally, is this how a PPS charger negotiates with the phone or is there a problem be it the charger or the phone?
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I've noticed that recently with newer chargers, some even explicitly mention it on their pages.
I don't know why newer ones are doing this compared to older PPS chargers, speculating either lower cost for a charge control chip that instead has to reset between negotiations or it's intentional to solve bugs with devices that might not negotiate right unless the connection is reset.

Cheers for the answers everyone, if it wasn't for the regular nature of the handshake (for want of a better description) and then charging as you'd expect I'd say the charger is wonky (Anker Nano III) simply because it is brand new.
I have ordered a new cable just to rule that out all my old cables as well.
I must have more charging bricks knocking about than a charging brick shop but from what i can gather only the Nano III is a PPS one

Hopefully it is OK now and the new cable seems to have sorted it out but i guess i will see more in the coming days.
The cable i got is an Anker 643 (just for future reference) I have always used Anker cables so i must have had an iffy one.

Hi, i noticed that my phone wasn't fast charging, despite i have an anker that reaches 18w. What kind of charger can i buy that allow my pixel to have fast charge?

Yoshito93 said:
Hi, i noticed that my phone wasn't fast charging, despite i have an anker that reaches 18w. What kind of charger can i buy that allow my pixel to have fast charge?
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Any charger which can handle at least 23w. Anything over that(per port) will be useless.
Also the biggest gripe of the Pixel 7 series is not having rapid charging.

Thank you for the reply! I had to buy a new charger because mine was not compatible I guess. The phone didn't show up the "fast charging" indication and it took 2.20 hrs to charge from 30% to 100%.

The Anker Nano 3 is 30W, PD 3.0 and PPS this is the UK version but all other regions version have folding pins which make it super compact.