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I have a Gtab with TnT Lite 2.2.0, and its been asleep for approximately 24 hours. When I slept the display yesterday, the battery was at 92%. Just woke it up, and now its 52%.
I slept it via a quick press of the power button on the side. Should I long press and then select 'Sleep'? Seems like the WiFi was definitely off, when it woke up it had to reconnect to the wireless. Its been awhile since I messed with Android, my last device was a G1, and I'm not sure if it lights up the WiFi when its asleep. My battery use is WiFi - 45%, Device idle - 44%, Android System - 10%, Display - 2%.
Does this sound normal battery drain?
Sounds normal to me. I went from 75 to 34 overnight, just sitting unplugged.
If you're running TnT Lite, don't let the battery get to low... Mine got low, started a FC loop and I lost everything. Guess it's time to start over
This drain is why I want to see if getting SetCPU or similar apps working would help keep screen off battery use down to a minimum. It may or may not work, there may be other apps and things we could try, something to really shut down all the extraneous running junk.
Mine loses about 4%/hour in sleep mode. But I have the problem with my unit where it won't "wake up" once I put it to sleep (detailed all I've tried to fix this on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855821).
Even though it won't wake up, it still burns about 4%/hour in sleep mode.
To work around the "it won't wake up" I use regpon wifikeepalive from the market which prevents the cpu from totally disengaging. I also use CPUBoost from the market to set the cpu to 216000 when the screen is off. Doing this should still result in higher battery drain than if the unit slept properly but in my experience it does not, it still drains at about 4% an hour.
My Archos 101 however does not behave like this. When sleeping it drains at a rate of about 1% every 2 hours. Whereas the GTablet will die in sleep mode in about 25 hours, the Archos could stay alive for about 200 hours!
I did some testing with the two, using DDMS (part of Android SDK). Oddly, when the Archos is "sleeping" the USB port is still active and I can get logging out of it, whereas the GTablet shuts down the USB port (odd becuase its the GTablet which is burning battery). The Archos does seem to log its power down/power up elegantly from what I can tell...I can't tell anything about the GTablet because it shuts down the USB port for debugging. Log2SD on the Gtablet doesn't really tell me much either.
There is something very wrong with the power management stuff on this chipset/or on the GTablet. This is definitely something that would be good to see addressed at some point. Having a tablet that can stay away from the wall charger for a week (Archos) is definitely nicer than having one that you have to put on a charger nightly.
Can anyone else report what their battery drain is like while the unit is sleeping?
Sean
If you run dmesg (either via ADB shell or via Terminal Emulator) you'll probably see lots of wake-sleep-wake-sleep activity going on while it's supposedly asleep. At least I've seen that with Vegan ROM.
Also, just because your Wifi was asleep when you woke up the G Tablet doesn't in my experience mean it was really asleep the whole time.
As an experiment, I'd suggest you charge up your G Tablet, then manually turn off Wifi and try sleeping it overnight. When you wake it up, check the battery usage and compare - I'm guessing it will be significantly lower, but you need to try for yourself.
The power management stuff is definitely still quite beta quality with our kernel and ROMs. I think that's mostly NVidia's fault. To a lesser extent it's a function of support from the ROMs which will improve.
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If you run dmesg (either via ADB shell or via Terminal Emulator) you'll probably see lots of wake-sleep-wake-sleep activity going on while it's supposedly asleep. At least I've seen that with Vegan ROM.
Also, just because your Wifi was asleep when you woke up the G Tablet doesn't in my experience mean it was really asleep the whole time.
As an experiment, I'd suggest you charge up your G Tablet, then manually turn off Wifi and try sleeping it overnight. When you wake it up, check the battery usage and compare - I'm guessing it will be significantly lower, but you need to try for yourself.
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Thanks for the dmesg advice, I'll play with that. I'll try turning off my wake fix hack (regponwifi), turning off wifi, letting it sleep overnight, then restarting it (since it won't wake) in the morning to see if the battery drain goes down and report back here tomorrow.
Sean
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I have a Gtab with TnT Lite 2.2.0, and its been asleep for approximately 24 hours. When I slept the display yesterday, the battery was at 92%. Just woke it up, and now its 52%.
I slept it via a quick press of the power button on the side. Should I long press and then select 'Sleep'? Seems like the WiFi was definitely off, when it woke up it had to reconnect to the wireless. Its been awhile since I messed with Android, my last device was a G1, and I'm not sure if it lights up the WiFi when its asleep. My battery use is WiFi - 45%, Device idle - 44%, Android System - 10%, Display - 2%.
Does this sound normal battery drain?
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Mine also drains way too much when sleeping. Right now I'm experimenting with disabling services. Calendar, Gmail, Contacts, Dropbox .. many of these just duplicate what my phone does so I just moved them to bookmarks in a browser.
Something really eats battery when asleep. In comparison my iPad would probably go a month in sleep mode. Whatever Apple is doing with batteries and power management is fantastic.
I'm currently running Vegan 5.1 and hope to switch over to Cyanogen 7 soon. I may try playing with Juice Defender.
So I reflashed last night using Pershoot's new kernel and tntLite 4.21. I've loaded almost nothing back on the unit. I shut down wifi, presed the power button to put the unit to sleep overnight and here's what I saw:
80% @ 12:27am
48% @ 9:18am
So it dropped 32% in almost 9 hours or around 3.5%/hour. Note that it still didn't wake from sleep, I had to reset it. Pershoot posted that he's going to try to put more logging in his kernel to see what is going on with the failure to wake scenario.
Clayfree, I'm not sure this is an Apple vs Android thing, the Archos 101 I have here is Android and it drops battery life MUCH slower than the Gtablet. I think this is more a Gtablet issue. This is going to be an issue for Google, different hardware makes it a much more challenging proposition than what Apple has to deal (one type of hardware that they control).
Sean
stiphy said:
So I reflashed last night using Pershoot's new kernel and tntLite 4.21. I've loaded almost nothing back on the unit. I shut down wifi, presed the power button to put the unit to sleep overnight and here's what I saw:
80% @ 12:27am
48% @ 9:18am
So it dropped 32% in almost 9 hours or around 3.5%/hour. Note that it still didn't wake from sleep, I had to reset it. Pershoot posted that he's going to try to put more logging in his kernel to see what is going on with the failure to wake scenario.
Clayfree, I'm not sure this is an Apple vs Android thing, the Archos 101 I have here is Android and it drops battery life MUCH slower than the Gtablet. I think this is more a Gtablet issue. This is going to be an issue for Google, different hardware makes it a much more challenging proposition than what Apple has to deal (one type of hardware that they control).
Sean
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Yes I agree it's probably not an Apple/Android issue. The only other tablet I have is the iPad so I compare them by default. I do have a Samsung Vibrant that does really well with battery life.
What I will say about Apple is that they are very conscious of battery life and how it shapes our perceptions and usage of their products. With the iPad i NEVER think about the battery and it really affects how I use it. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty I don't like about the iPad and that's why I'm here
When you guys talk about putting the G-Tab to sleep, are you just pressing the power button for a short period to turn off the screen? Is that sleep or just screen off? Because if I hold down the power button to bring up the shutdown options, there is a "Sleep" option that can be selected. Are these two the same mode, or two different things?
I'm talking about both methods, I believe they are the same thing. I've observed similar results using either method, namely that my tablet won't wake up.
I will run another test at some point using the sleep option.
One interesting thing to note is my Archos 101 has a "deep sleep" option too on the power button hold. Not sure what this means, and why this isn't an option on a Gtab.
Sean
smalis said:
When you guys talk about putting the G-Tab to sleep, are you just pressing the power button for a short period to turn off the screen? Is that sleep or just screen off? Because if I hold down the power button to bring up the shutdown options, there is a "Sleep" option that can be selected. Are these two the same mode, or two different things?
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That's a good question. I just press the button. I have not tried using the sleep command.
I'm really worry about this... I use Current Widget to get the battery consumption and is SO high! much more than any of my Android phones in Airplane mode...
Any solution? I tried TnT rom and Vegan... and it's the same!
Thanks!!
This is one thing thing that just recently started to happen in the past two days that's kinda creeping me out.
Sometimes the phone starts to overheat and immediately I get a low battery notification.
The overheating is usually caused by something that caused the system to go haywire, such as:
(1) when in the stock launcher and using HDMI mirroring, tilting the phone into landscape. The phone loses the connection with the monitor, and it shuts off. Once this happens the phone is usually super hot. I turn the phone back on, and find out that the battery has dropped somewhere around 50-60% in an INSTANT.
(2) I was using bloat freezer to freeze "my account," which caused a continuous force close screen. When I try to close those screens, I can tell that the phone is heating up again. Low and behold, not soon after, my charge that was sitting at 80% dropped down to the teens.
I've only been off the charger for a couple hours in each case, so I know that I was really at around 80% in both situations.
The only thing I'm really worried about is overcharging the battery. If android thinks that the battery is at 15% when it is actually not that empty, would it overcharge it?
*Edit - Ok, I just figured it out. Whenever this happens, don't let your phone recharge itself when the phone is on. I noticed that when I turn my phone off to charge, it'll know that the charge isn't that low, so the battery charging indicator will start off with a higher charged capacity and fill up to full much faster than when the phone is actually empty.
As for the plunge in battery within Android, I don't know what's going on.
Request a new battery. If they say no say fine give me a new phone. Its in warranty.
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Hi, I been looking around but can't find an answer for this so here goes:
I'd like my phone to NEVER shut down on low battery. I'm not talking about the miss calculated battery stats, but the (I assume) built-in shutdown when I am down to 2-3 % left.
When this happens (I tend to forget to charge my Charge), I usually turn it on and call people back which gives me around 10-30 seconds of talk at least 4-5 times before the phone is finally dead (And showing 0%).
What bugs me is that each time I waste battery on the phone starting up again, checking the SD card, firing up display etc etc. I'd rather spend that juice on talking.
So... anyone know of any tricks to tell the phone to just keep ticking till it cant no more...?
Thanks,
I don't know of a way, and even if I did, that's an extraordinarily bad idea. It shuts down in low battery situations for a reason. This isn't a simple feature phone. Android is a full-fledged Linux operating system, and just losing power can cause major data corruption if it happens at the wrong time.
Data doesn't matter
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I don't know of a way, and even if I did, that's an extraordinarily bad idea. It shuts down in low battery situations for a reason. This isn't a simple feature phone. Android is a full-fledged Linux operating system, and just losing power can cause major data corruption if it happens at the wrong time.
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I know this. However, corruption would not be in the firmware, merely in the user storage and I factory reset my phone all the time in the blink of second. Everything I have on the phone is constantly unloaded and easily restored; the phone is in itself just a hub for everything cloud (to use a overused buzzword).
So question is still there
My phone doesn't shut off until it is at critical level, <1% battery. I've even had my phone on before when it was displaying 0% battery, and it didn't turn itself off until it had to. I haven't had my phone shut down on its own until it was essentially dead, both with my Charge and Fascinate.
So...? Recalibrate?
So, it may sound like I need to re-calibrate my battery (again) ?
Is it possible that the phone will need more than one round of charge/drain/charge to show/use the correct battery charge?
It shouldn't if you do it properly. You need to let it cycle from 100% to 0% without restarting, flashing, wiping data, or anything similar. Just charge the phone to 100%, unplug it as soon as you can after it is fully charged, and then allow it to drain until it turns off, and recharge it again fully and you should be good to go.
Also, I thought that I read somewhere that if you ran the battery down to absolute 0, you kill the battery totally
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Also, I thought that I read somewhere that if you ran the battery down to absolute 0, you kill the battery totally
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You'll never have to worry about that on a cell phone. When the phone shows 0%, you'll still have a bit over 3V in the battery. Cell phones have a very narrow range that they work over (about 4.2-3V). Outside of that, there's not enough voltage to power the phone, so it will never be able to fully discharge the battery.
It is still a really bad idea to drain the battery all the way down to zero. Buy another battery and carry it with you, if you must. Lithium-Ion does not like to be discharged drastically and charged drastically repeatedly. It likes to cycle at a higher range.
It sounds like you are draining the battery as far as you can as often as possible. This is no good in my experience.
I bought the charging dock that charges a spare battery and comes with a spare (OEM) battery also. When ever I go to leave the house and I realize I forgot to charge my phone, I just swap the battery and I have 100% instantly. If this was a problem for me while I was out, or if I go on a long trip, I'd just carry the spare battery with me one way or another.
I'm no technical expert, but it seems like this article may be somewhat relevant to the conversation.
I have now had this problem twice this week. I have read other posts that sound similar but the issue seems different.
Twice I have shut down my phone at night. With FULL battery. The next morning, I could not turn the phone on. It would vibrate when I hit power button but not come on at all.
Both times I plugged it in and saw that the battery was COMPLETELY drained. I have seen threads where people post about some battery drain overnight, but this was an entire drain, with the phone off.
This is a major issue obviously as both times the next morning I was on the go and had zero battery life.
Any ideas of what this can be? Does it sound like a physical battery issue? Is the phone maybe not actually shutting down and getting caught in some battery draining process?
Help please.
The best way to test the shutdown issue is pulling the battery after it seems to shut down. Try pulling it for a few seconds and replacing it, but leaving the device off. If that produces the same result, try leaving the battery out overnight.
This seems to only be happening if I leave the battery in the phone.
It happened again last night. Complete drain.
Im not sure but I feel like there may have been a buzz as it turned itself off (not sure if its always there need to experiment further). I picked it up and hit buttons to make sure it wasnt just in standby. It wasnt. it was OFF.
Next morning, no battery.
Any ideas? Id love some help as this is becoming a pretty big problem for me.
Have you ruled out a hardware issue already? If not then call the carrier.
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lirong said:
This seems to only be happening if I leave the battery in the phone.
It happened again last night. Complete drain.
Im not sure but I feel like there may have been a buzz as it turned itself off (not sure if its always there need to experiment further). I picked it up and hit buttons to make sure it wasnt just in standby. It wasnt. it was OFF.
Next morning, no battery.
Any ideas? Id love some help as this is becoming a pretty big problem for me.
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This actually happened to me a night before last as well - twas the first night running Smooth Ice 5.1. Are you on that by chance? Not knowledgeable enough to really comment on whether or not that could be it, but it'd be something to eliminate.
I switched to the new leak last night and the battery life has been excellent off charger all day, for what it's worth.
I am on stock everything.
I am still trying to diagnose the problem.
It seems that when I Power Off, occasionally at the end of the power done I will get a Vibrate. When that happens, I think it is draining while switched off.
When the Power Down happens and I dont feel the vibrate, so far I have not experienced the drain.
Does that perhaps give anyone ideas about what might be happening? Some kind of locked in Process or App? Any likely culprits? Any diagnostics that can show, if it does drain, what drained it?
In the past when it drained I plugged it in to charge and checked battery stats, but it showed Display as the largest consumer. Does the About Battery stats reset each time you plug in and start charging?
lirong said:
I am on stock everything.
I am still trying to diagnose the problem.
It seems that when I Power Off, occasionally at the end of the power done I will get a Vibrate. When that happens, I think it is draining while switched off.
When the Power Down happens and I dont feel the vibrate, so far I have not experienced the drain.
Does that perhaps give anyone ideas about what might be happening? Some kind of locked in Process or App? Any likely culprits? Any diagnostics that can show, if it does drain, what drained it?
In the past when it drained I plugged it in to charge and checked battery stats, but it showed Display as the largest consumer. Does the About Battery stats reset each time you plug in and start charging?
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It always vibrates when you power off, at least mine does.
The battery stats reset after a full charge has been achieved.
I have no idea what would be discharging it while off besides a bad battery.
Put the BetterBatteryStats application on there. The stock Battery Use GUI interface that is built into the firmware will not show you details enough, it will just show what application used the cpu for X amount and caused the battery to go down X amount.
Put BetterBatteryStats on there to find out what is causing the phone to get drained so quickly. Seems like its not going in deep sleep mode and there is some partial wakelock that is keeping the phone from going into deep sleep. That app will tell you what service or application is holding the largest wakelocks and amount of time it does it for. This helps to determine the issue. Without this, you are just speculating on the problem with the built in Battery Use stats/graph in the Status screen.
Dixit
dixit said:
Put the BetterBatteryStats application on there. The stock Battery Use GUI interface that is built into the firmware will not show you details enough, it will just show what application used the cpu for X amount and caused the battery to go down X amount.
Put BetterBatteryStats on there to find out what is causing the phone to get drained so quickly. Seems like its not going in deep sleep mode and there is some partial wakelock that is keeping the phone from going into deep sleep. That app will tell you what service or application is holding the largest wakelocks and amount of time it does it for. This helps to determine the issue. Without this, you are just speculating on the problem with the built in Battery Use stats/graph in the Status screen.
Dixit
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He is talking about when his phone is powered off.
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He is talking about when his phone is powered off.
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Damn, then disregard my post. Thanks for clarifying it.
Dixit
Something else I noticed...
Over the last few data, sometimes when I power down the phone, it goes through the powering down process usual, but as soon as its done, the phone vibrates and powers right back on...
Anyone experience this or an idea why that would happen?
Just a thought; If I'm charging my phone with a generic charger (500 mA) and shut it off, it will reboot.
If I'm charging with either the factory wall charger or a 12 volt that triggers AC charge it won't.
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The reboot happens when I shut down and am not plugged in to a charger at all....
My galaxy S has been doing this too lately (loses all charge when off overnight). It always buzzes on shutdown.
One thing that mine has is a problem with the usb port, it slowly stopped working and now I can't charge it anymore through the port. I'm wondering if there is a physical short there that is causing the battery to drain. Possibly you have something similar going on, or a short elsewhere in the system.
I've noticed that you cannot shut the phone down when charging from certain chargers too, especially in the car. Very annoying.
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Hey guys,
Im still having this issue and wanted to hear if there is a known fix or solution?
Honestly, the severity of battery drain you're describing sounds lije more of a hardware issue than anything else. I would contact yoir carrier as mentioned above. Beyond that, trying out a custom ics like sky or embryo might be your best bet if you prefer the tw interface. Im on embryo 5.1 right now and am experiencing better battery health and longevity than ever before with the skyrocket. But the issue does sound like a bad battery.
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Same exact issue, but I have the t-mobile version.
Very weird!
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Same exact issue, but I have the t-mobile version.
Very weird!
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This happened to me on one of my i777s.
The phone would even not boot up. It will just vibrate. Turns out the battery was bad. Changed the battery. It was still the same.
Then tried another charger, same thing happened.
So then I changed the whole charging port part in the phone.
Voila! Phone worked like a charm.
So if you have warranty change the phone. If not change the charging port. At least in my case.
I came to a conclusion that even the battery went bad because of the bad charging. Might be a coincidence too.
zcexve said:
This happened to me on one of my i777s.
The phone would even not boot up. It will just vibrate. Turns out the battery was bad. Changed the battery. It was still the same.
Then tried another charger, same thing happened.
So then I changed the whole charging port part in the phone.
Voila! Phone worked like a charm.
So if you have warranty change the phone. If not change the charging port. At least in my case.
I came to a conclusion that even the battery went bad because of the bad charging. Might be a coincidence too.
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I have 3 S2 phones that I bought as defect and played around with. Two I could fix but I could not resolve the battery issue on the third phone like by buying a brandnew USB charger part (and trying the ones from the other 2 phones. It has nothing to do with the ROM or anything software either. I narrowed it down to be an issue on the actual mainboard. The weird thing is that the battery discharges way faster when the phone is turned off than when it's in use.
I got this phone about a week ago and I am noticing two major issues with it. First, the phone sometimes gets really warm in my pocket. Second, when it gets warm it starts to kill the battery. Interestingly, last night I unintentionally left it under an unused pillow. The battery was at 100%, but this morning when I got up the battery was down to 1% and the phone was really warm.
As you can see in the attached screenshot there wasn't much running, the phone wasn't awake much, and I had good signal. Any ideas what might be going on here?
I'm just spit-balling here. These are some basic things I'd look at for a start:
A) use cpy spy to see what states the cpu is in
B) See what apps are running while this is going on. Anything weird?
C) check your data usage. It should list apps. Perhaps you have something sending a crap-load of data?
D) Turn off GPS, BT, WiFi, etc all/one at a time.
Thanks, UberSuber.
I was waiting for it to happen again, but it hasn't so far, so I am going to chalk it up as a fluke.