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Still get OTAs while having ROOT?

If I root the latest stock 4.4.2, will I still be able to get future OTA Updates without braking the root or custom recovery, well if root gets lost I can always root it again. Just asking, maybe I won't be able to get OTA Updates at all after rooting but I don't know so that's why I'm asking it here.

KuGeL94 said:
If I root the latest stock 4.4.2, will I still be able to get future OTA Updates without braking the root or custom recovery, well if root gets lost I can always root it again. Just asking, maybe I won't be able to get OTA Updates at all after rooting but I don't know so that's why I'm asking it here.
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Yes!

SWTR said:
Yes!
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Indeed.

KuGeL94 said:
If I root the latest stock 4.4.2, will I still be able to get future OTA Updates without braking the root or custom recovery, well if root gets lost I can always root it again. Just asking, maybe I won't be able to get OTA Updates at all after rooting but I don't know so that's why I'm asking it here.
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The OTA will download but not install. You need stock recovery AND any system file that is updated by the OTA needs to be stock as well otherwise OTA install will fail.
Plenty of threads on XDA speak of this.
If you look at the OTA updater file you will see if uses MD5 (or similar) to check each system file it updates to make sure its as it was originally.
When you root it alters some system files.
Best thing is to install custom recovery and take a backup before rooted. Then root. When you get an OTA just restore backup and flash stock recovery. Then OTA will re-download. Let it install, then flash custom recovery and re-root.

Thanks, well I'll just stay unrooted and make the best out of it, the Moto G is just as amazing as Motorola developed it to be.

No stock recovery it's no need. I updated last ota with Philz recovery without problems.

denzel09 said:
No stock recovery it's no need. I updated last ota with Philz recovery without problems.
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Do you mean you downloaded OTA and flashed manually via recovery. You can do that I agree, but what you can't do is let OTA install naturally the way Motorola intended.

No. I had Philz recovery. System stock partition. Downloaded ota normally, reboot like ota update ask, phone reboots in philz recovery and this last flash ota automatically without any problem. There is not need to reflash stock recovery or flash ota update manually with custom rec, only need a non root stock system partition. I dont know if stock cwm or other rec like twrp work in same way but i doubt, always used only philz recovery.

You do not need stock recovery, I don't know who made this stupid rumour up. I use twrp and it flashes fine.
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[?] Flash 23.1.A.1.28 OTA on rooted Z3 ? [SOLVED]

Hi all,
I have a rooted Z3 with dual recovery and locked bootloader running firmware 23.1.A.0.690.
Since the OTA to firmware 23.1.A.1.28 is minor, I was wondering if it is possible to flash an update zip file while keeping root and modified recovery.
any idea ?
thanks

benjieb said:
Hi all,
I have a rooted Z3 with dual recovery and locked bootloader running firmware 23.1.A.0.690.
Since the OTA to firmware 23.1.A.1.28 is minor, I was wondering if it is possible to flash an update zip file while keeping root and modified bootloader.
any idea ?
thanks
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Modified bootloader? Do you mean unlocked? If so then you cannot do OTA, is says so explicitly on the Sony site about unlocked bootloaders. But you can make a backup in recovery, flash a stock FTF of that version (System only) then just flash back your custom kernel (Before booting the phone) and restore data from a backup
If you mean locked bootloader then you can OTA, if its a small update then the chances are it wont format system so you will keep root, but if its a large file the chances are it will format system then re-install it so you will lose root.
Just flash a pre-rooted version of the updated ROM in recovery

Sorry, i meant keeping root and modified recovery (not bootloader).
My bootloader is locked indeed and i am on stock kernel.
So, to your point, i should be safe upgrading minor OTAs?
If so can I anticipate sony's rollout of the OTA and flash the update zip? And where can it be found?
Thx

benjieb said:
Sorry, i meant keeping root and modified recovery (not bootloader).
My bootloader is locked indeed and i am on stock kernel.
So, to your point, i should be safe upgrading minor OTAs?
If so can I anticipate sony's rollout of the OTA and flash the update zip? And where can it be found?
Thx
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Maybe.... it all depends on whether or not the OTA formats system and reinstalls it. If it a minor update they may not do that so root and recovery (Which is in system for locked bootloaders) are not deleted.
Its a gamble...
to be 100% safe, you will need to get a prerooted flashable zip and flash it

Hmmm... Ok, but upgrading with a prerooted zip involves flashing a full rom not just the update right?
I am ok with that but would rather save the hassle.
Thanks for the advise

Hi,
Happy to report back that OTA process went smooth.
I am now running 23.1.A.1.28 and still have full root & dual recovery!

benjieb said:
Hi,
Happy to report back that OTA process went smooth.
I am not running 23.1.A.1.28 and still have full root & dual recovery!
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Benjieb,
Sorry friend but it was not clear to me... you updated via OTA and keep the root?

Yes that's right. I fixed the typo in my last post.

benjieb said:
Yes that's right. I fixed the typo in my last post.
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How do you do it? I mean,you were stock .690 berofe ota?you delete anything of stocks apps??because i test to do the ota update but at the end of processus it's says "verrification impossible" and i saw somewhere that's if we touch or delete stock apps we can't ota ....ans if possible,nobody van do a flashable ZIP with just ota update????

I was stock indeed, and you are right playing with system apps probably prevent OTAs.
That's why I deactivate system apps rather then delete them.
I guess you will have to do a full rom flash.

I'm on stock ROM rooted. Updated to. 28 via OTA just only. Root access still available!!
Sent from my D6653 using Tapatalk 2

No possible to create a flashable ZIP with just ota update???it will be wonderfull

I believe this is just minor update. So lucky for me haha
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Root? Kingroot?

What's going on with kingroot for Xperia z3 lolipop 5.1.1? There is a date for available kingroot for this version?

No there isn't. Kingroot only supports 5.0 not 5.1 You could always flash 5.0.2, root with kingroot then flash a pre-rooted 5.1.1

heywheelie said:
No there isn't. Kingroot only supports 5.0 not 5.1 You could always flash 5.0.2, root with kingroot then flash a pre-rooted 5.1.1
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I did it but when I updated to 5.1.1 the Root was deleted

DANIELTZ19 said:
What's going on with kingroot for Xperia z3 lolipop 5.1.1? There is a date for available kingroot for this version?
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No date available...
I'm waiting for it too :crying:

DANIELTZ19 said:
I did it but when I updated to 5.1.1 the Root was deleted
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Did you flash a stock 5.0.2, then root with kingroot, install the latest dual recovery from PC, boot to recovery, do a complete wipe then flash a pre-rooted 5.1.1 from recovery. It should work. I tried it here, worked perfectly.
BTW make sure you put the pre-rooted 5.1.1 on your sdcard before you start so once you go into recovery to do a full wipe you don't reboot until you flash the pre-rooted 5.1..1

heywheelie said:
Did you flash a stock 5.0.2, then root with kingroot, install the latest dual recovery from PC, boot to recovery, do a complete wipe then flash a pre-rooted 5.1.1 from recovery. It should work. I tried it here, worked perfectly.
BTW make sure you put the pre-rooted 5.1.1 on your sdcard before you start so once you go into recovery to do a full wipe you don't reboot until you flash the pre-rooted 5.1..1
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I don't install pre-rooted 5.1.1 because it needs to Recovery .. and I don't want to do a recovery in my device .... i just Burning a normal version of 5.1.1

DANIELTZ19 said:
I don't install pre-rooted 5.1.1 because it needs to Recovery .. and I don't want to do a recovery in my device .... i just Burning a normal version of 5.1.1
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Then just delete the recovery after you have flashed the pre rooted 5.1.1. The ramdisks are in the system partition.

gregbradley said:
Then just delete the recovery after you have flashed the pre rooted 5.1.1. The ramdisks are in the system partition.
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If I do now Recovery then it deletes all my stuff in the cell phone .. other than that it will lose my warranty and it might make my cell phone issues

DANIELTZ19 said:
If I do now Recovery then it deletes all my stuff in the cell phone
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It should not do that if you do it properly. You only lose stuff in your phone if you unlock the bootloader and you do not need to do that. Also, making a backup of things you want to keep is always a good idea.
DANIELTZ19 said:
.. other than that it will lose my warranty and it might make my cell phone issues
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No you will not lose warranty if you follow the locked bootloader tutorial. You do not need to unlock the bootloader to install recovery and flash a pre-rooted 5.1.1
Please take a moment to look through any of the multiple guides in the general section to see how to do this

gregbradley said:
It should not do that if you do it properly. You only lose stuff in your phone if you unlock the bootloader and you do not need to do that. Also, making a backup of things you want to keep is always a good idea.
No you will not lose warranty if you follow the locked bootloader tutorial. You do not need to unlock the bootloader to install recovery and flash a pre-rooted 5.1.1
Please take a moment to look through any of the multiple guides in the general section to see how to do this
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Okay, thank you very much, but there will be no hacking with "Kingroot"? This is the most easy and simple ..

DANIELTZ19 said:
Okay, thank you very much, but there will be no hacking with "Kingroot"? This is the most easy and simple ..
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Kingroot will send your IMEI to an IP address in china, I do not recommend it. Downgrade and use giefroot, install dual recovery, flash a pre rooted 5.1.1, then delete the recovery if you want, but I do not see why you would do this.

gregbradley said:
Kingroot will send your IMEI to an IP address in china, I do not recommend it. Downgrade and use giefroot, install dual recovery, flash a pre rooted 5.1.1, then delete the recovery if you want, but I do not see why you would do this.
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Because that everyone I know who did Recovery then it's destroyed a lot of things on the device ..

DANIELTZ19 said:
Because that everyone I know who did Recovery then it's destroyed a lot of things on the device ..
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You are confusing recovery with losing drm keys when unlocking the bootloader.
I have never come across anyone who has recovery installed correctly and used correctly who has had problems like that

@DANIELTZ19
If you're worried and want another opinion then my advice is that everything GregBradley has stated is correct. His method is also the safest and reliable with an excellent tutorial in the General forum. Read it http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/guide-rootrecovery-how-to-root-install-t3017056
cheers

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Downgrade Files
Any Prerooted PB1 Rom
PB1_Firmware_With_PB1_Bootloader_CAUTION.zip
Place rom and PB1_Firmware_With_PB1_Bootloader_CAUTION.zip on phone
Wipe Data/System/Cache
Flash Rom
Flash PB1_Firmware_With_PB1_Bootloader_CAUTION.zip
your done. You dont need to worry about safestrap zip because you will be rooted again

Weird.....so we'll have a we can flash any Custom MM Rom......but it won't be Rooted. Progress!

Stupifier said:
Weird.....so we'll have a we can flash any Custom MM Rom......but it won't be Rooted. Progress!
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Always need root just to install custom roms . If we can install roms without root , then we don't need root anymore ( I am still lost ). Now I can wait for custom 6.1 roms.

Its not ideal but at least you dont have to go through the whole reroot process each time you want to change roms. And you can still flash zips etc in safestrap.

Reserved

Can we run and use apps which require ROOT access?
I'm a bit confused though. Don't custom ROMs come pre-rooted???? So wouldn't flashing a custom ROM which is pre-rooted....... remain rooted?

Stupifier said:
Can we run and use apps which require ROOT access?
I'm a bit confused though. Don't custom ROMs come pre-rooted???? So wouldn't flashing a custom ROM which is pre-rooted....... remain rooted?
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Probably no . It says by @jrkruse the flashed Roms got no root !

Stupifier said:
Can we run and use apps which require ROOT access?
I'm a bit confused though. Don't custom ROMs come pre-rooted???? So wouldn't flashing a custom ROM which is pre-rooted....... remain rooted?
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Probably no . It says by @jrkruse the flashed Roms got no root !
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You cannot have a rooted MM rom with locked bootloader because to have root requires a custom kernel which locked bootloaders cannot flash. It doesnt matter if the rom is prerooted or not! Stock Boot.img means no root. You cannot run apps that require root with these roms All this method does if give you some options the biggest option being the ability to flash zips. and change roms with out having to odin back to stock pb1 then reroot then. Try the stock MM rom I posted. Once installed you can flash a debloatzip or a knox removal zip or delete apps from safestrap with the built in file manager If you dont like you can always downgrade back to PB1

jrkruse said:
You cannot have a rooted MM rom with locked bootloader because to have root requires a custom kernel which locked bootloaders cannot flash. It doesnt matter if the rom is prerooted or not! Stock Boot.img means no root. You cannot run apps that require root with these roms All this method does if give you some options the biggest option being the ability to flash zips. and change roms with out having to odin back to stock pb1 then reroot then. Try the stock MM rom I posted. Once installed you can flash a debloatzip or a knox removal zip or delete apps from safestrap with the built in file manager If you dont like you can always downgrade back to PB1
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That what i thought , this is better than nothing for use with locked bootloaders . Thanks :good:

So has anyone tried it

jrkruse said:
So has anyone tried it
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I am downloading now, I just got home.

jrkruse said:
So has anyone tried it
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my wife's computer crashed so i have not i even went to local library and i was now allowed to download there so i have to wait until i get my wife's computer out of shop.
Sent via mobile Verizon S5

@jrkruse How does this work?
Based on my knowledge from reading this, it seems that the kernel finds the checksum of the system partition and then only boots if it is unmodified.
Shouldn't modifying the system partition in the slightest bit throw this checksum off?
Also - modified kernels CAN be flashed on locked bootloaders - just not via Odin. They only won't boot though >.>

jrkruse said:
So has anyone tried it
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Perfect instructions @jrkruse , thank you ! Is working , it took me 11 minute to boot . Now lets see if everything is working wright .

alin919 said:
Perfect instructions @jrkruse , thank you ! Is working , it took me 11 minute to boot . Now lets see if everything is working wright .
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So far everything is looking good , i will run today marshmallow to check it out . Tomorrow i will try to downgrade to pb1 to see if working .

Will this method work with FF? Haven't used SS since my SG4 days.
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I got one to try. I have tried it so I know it works
Download this rom
Download my Patch
In safestrap do a manual wipe. Wipe Data,WipeCache,Wipe System
Install Rom
Install patch
This rom Does not flash system.img so you dont need to install safestrap it will stay installed
After patch is installed wipe data and wipe cache and install MM Bootloader zip
Reboot it will take 15 to 20 min to boot
Now you will Have A Note 5 port with working theme support

Hollywood67 said:
Will this method work with FF? Haven't used SS since my SG4 days.
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No

hey what can i do im on the MM firmware but i flashed something and now my phone just stays at the samsung logo with a blue led light what can i do it wont but up past the samsung logo screen

Applying system update 1.27.401.5 to my rooted HTC U11

I'm using a rooted HTC U11 with the latest TWRP and Magisk. Since yesterday I get a message that tells me to upgrade my HTC U11 to version 1.27.401.5. I can't install the downloaded ota so I need a complete rom. Where can I find that?

Maybe next door

Too much info error... So it's possible to flash an OTA over my rooted stock rom using TWRP?
Since the OTA is already downloaded to /data/data/com.htc.updater/files can I just copy it to the root folder and then flash it with TWRP?

simu_lacrum said:
Too much info error... So it's possible to flash an OTA over my rooted stock rom using TWRP?
Since the OTA is already downloaded to /data/data/com.htc.updater/files can I just copy it to the root folder and then flash it with TWRP?
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No, TWRP cannot handle an OTA completely. You have to reflash stock recovery.
And even if you reflash stock recovery the OTA could fail to apply.
Have you modified your system partition after rooting? Any mods that install to system instead of data?
If you have modified the system partition the OTA won't apply. You have to reset to stock, i.e. by using an RUU

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Have you modified your system partition after rooting? Any mods that install to system instead of data?
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I'm still on the stock rom with TWRP as recovery. Afaik I didn't use any mods that install to system instead of data.
I just want to install the current version 1.27.401.5. If that's not possible by OTA then a full rom would also be welcome.

simu_lacrum said:
I'm still on the stock rom with TWRP as recovery. Afaik I didn't use any mods that install to system instead of data.
I just want to install the current version 1.27.401.5. If that's not possible by OTA then a full rom would also be welcome.
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Get @LlabTooFeR 's Maximus HD rom, you'll always get the latest updates on an optmized stock rom

simu_lacrum said:
I'm still on the stock rom with TWRP as recovery. Afaik I didn't use any mods that install to system instead of data.
I just want to install the current version 1.27.401.5. If that's not possible by OTA then a full rom would also be welcome.
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Then you might get the OTA applied by
reflashing stock recovery
deinstalling Magisk