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SERIOUSLY try fsTRIM tweak - on CROMI, OCed, fsync disabled

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I have it installed too, and frankly speaking I do not see any real, angible improvement past placebo level. I'm sure someone will do some benchmarking (eventually) and prove me either wrong or right., but I will not be installing this on my next clean install. It doesn;t hurt, I guess, to try and see for yourself, but I just wanted to chime in with my exprience, which is drastically different from yours.
That said, I've gone from anyone but myself giving me homework to do, and may be too cynical. I'm a beta guy, though, and as such, I'd need tangible improvement. Again, I haven't seen any.
By the way: I tried running the app a few times in succession -- is it normal it keeps reporting to have 'trimmed' each and every time, although there's only seconds between the end of one run and the start of the next? I thought there shouldn't be new stuff to trim on that timescale... <?>

MartyHulskemper said:
I have it installed too, and frankly speaking I do not see any real, angible improvement past placebo level. I'm sure someone will do some benchmarking (eventually) and prove me either wrong or right., but I will not be installing this on my next clean install. It doesn;t hurt, I guess, to try and see for yourself, but I just wanted to chime in with my exprience, which is drastically different from yours.
That said, I've gone from anyone but myself giving me homework to do, and may be too cynical. I'm a beta guy, though, and as such, I'd need tangible improvement. Again, I haven't seen any.
By the way: I tried running the app a few times in succession -- is it normal it keeps reporting to have 'trimmed' each and every time, although there's only seconds between the end of one run and the start of the next? I thought there shouldn't be new stuff to trim on that timescale... <?>
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I'm with you, see no improment, actually after browsing with stock browser on Yahoo finance for about 1 hour and my browser started acting up. It pause and sometime locked up then FC, I don't know if this caused by TRIM or something else, but again no improvement on my device.

buhohitr said:
I'm with you, see no improment, actually after browsing with stock browser on Yahoo finance for about 1 hour and my browser started acting up. It pause and sometime locked up then FC, I don't know if this caused by TRIM or something else, but again no improvement on my device.
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I've had some apps lock up as well, but I have no idea if that's related to having this installed. The browser eems to be especially sensitive indeed, but I've had it on Redditmag+ as well (but that has been loading slow as **** anyway for the past two days).
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MartyHulskemper said:
I have it installed too, and frankly speaking I do not see any real, angible improvement past placebo level. I'm sure someone will do some benchmarking (eventually) and prove me either wrong or right., but I will not be installing this on my next clean install. It doesn;t hurt, I guess, to try and see for yourself, but I just wanted to chime in with my exprience, which is drastically different from yours.
That said, I've gone from anyone but myself giving me homework to do, and may be too cynical. I'm a beta guy, though, and as such, I'd need tangible improvement. Again, I haven't seen any.
By the way: I tried running the app a few times in succession -- is it normal it keeps reporting to have 'trimmed' each and every time, although there's only seconds between the end of one run and the start of the next? I thought there shouldn't be new stuff to trim on that timescale... <?>
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I ran 3 times in a row and it only trimmed anything the first time. I dont rely on subjective results. I time everything, every performance tweak i do involves a barrage of tests which are all timed. Since using this tweak my times are better overall. To be honest everything was alost too fast to time this time around lol. I havent benchmarked it as of yet. Everything happens a few ms faster than it did before. It took 1.5s to load my largest pdf before this tweak, now its at .8s. The first time i ran the app it trimmed over 10mB. I imagine the amount that gets trimmed impacts how much of an improvement you see.

Do we need a second thread for this?
I dont rely on subjective results. I time everything, every performance tweak i do involves a barrage of tests which are all timed. Since using this tweak my times are better overall.
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Would you mind posting your before and after times?
My initial androbench, as suggested in the fstrim faq, showed no change. I plan to run the bench again tonight, just to be sure.

fortunz said:
Do we need a second thread for this?
Would you mind posting your before and after times?
My initial androbench, as suggested in the fstrim faq, showed no change. I plan to run the bench again tonight, just to be sure.
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I doubt that you're going to see any gain, TRIM is probably just clean up all the junks (cache), and data etc.. which something similar to you wipe cache and dalvik cache, so initialy so will feel the O/S is smoother, but after a few days, it should slowdown to your normal speed. I did a super clean install of cleanrom, took some reading, like how fast to open a heavy images website, then install TRIM and the results are the same. If you test TRiM before you clear your memory and cache, you may have a smoother/snappier feeling. This is my take on this.

Sample Before/After Times
buhohitr said:
I doubt that you're going to see any gain, TRIM is probably just clean up all the junks (cache), and data etc.. which something similar to you wipe cache and dalvik cache, so initialy so will feel the O/S is smoother, but after a few days, it should slowdown to your normal speed. I did a super clean install of cleanrom, took some reading, like how fast to open a heavy images website, then install TRIM and the results are the same. If you test TRiM before you clear your memory and cache, you may have a smoother/snappier feeling. This is my take on this.
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I cleared cache/dalvick a day before trying this, i clear after any major changes. I was trying new stock kernel but noticed more lag so i switched back to OCed kernel and cleared it.
Sample Before Times:
Boot - 40.3s
Very large pdf - 1.3s
Youtube - 1.1s
theverge.com - 6.4s
xda.com - 1.4s
LOTR3 bluray - 2.1s
Playstore downloaded apps page - 1.5s
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Boot - 36.7s
Large pdf - .8s
Youtube - .7s
theverge.com - 6s
xda.com - .9s
lotr3 bluray - 1.7s
playstore downloaded apps page - .9s
Havent tested everything bc that sample is enough for me at this point, especially considering ive noticed things are more responsive and smooth in general, especially multi touch gestures via GMD Gesture Control. Ive also noticed streaming flash videos are more responsive, which is huge for me, but entirely subjective, i dont time it. The university i go to has a course website that is flash based (bblearn, aka blackboard) and things are also more responsive on it as well.
These small improvements may seem trivial, however, every week or so I find a way to slightly drop my times, which adds up significantly over time. A drop of .2s is large enough for me to try anything, especially if it doesnt harm stability, and this app hasnt for me at this point. Call me crazy, i dont mind, im a performance nutter. I cant stand lag. DEATH TO LAG.

lucius.zen said:
I ran 3 times in a row and it only trimmed anything the first time. I dont rely on subjective results. I time everything, every performance tweak i do involves a barrage of tests which are all timed. Since using this tweak my times are better overall. To be honest everything was alost too fast to time this time around lol. I havent benchmarked it as of yet. Everything happens a few ms faster than it did before. It took 1.5s to load my largest pdf before this tweak, now its at .8s. The first time i ran the app it trimmed over 10mB. I imagine the amount that gets trimmed impacts how much of an improvement you see.
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Yeah, we heard this before. You mention your objectiveness almost every other post. As I said, I'm a beta guy and as such I respect data, but ANY improvement whatsoever is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS when it ONLY shows up on your "objective measurements" and not in your or someone else's "subjective measurements". Benchmarks are NOT a good representation of real-life performance.
Your stance towards people that want tangible improvement comes over as arrogant to me. I'm sorry. My largest background in online presence in from several digital photography fora, where we called people that (overly or exclusively) rely on "objective measurements" "pixel peepers" -- judging something, whether that be a camera or a photograph, or a person in your private life or an employee or co-worker, solely or overly dependently on such criteria leads to a loss of quality of "je-ne-sais-quoi", its mojo, if I may call it that. What in the world does the "improvement" you measured ("W00t! 0.1 increase in floating point operation?! I'M GOING TO TAKE ON THE WOOOOORRRRRLLLL.." <trips over power line of vacuum cleaning machine> </self-deridement>) bring me when it doesn ot result in any tangible improvement in speed of smoothness.
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You do not have actual screenshots, only typed statements?
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buhohitr said:
I doubt that you're going to see any gain, TRIM is probably just clean up all the junks (cache), and data etc.. which something similar to you wipe cache and dalvik cache, so initialy so will feel the O/S is smoother, but after a few days, it should slowdown to your normal speed. I did a super clean install of cleanrom, took some reading, like how fast to open a heavy images website, then install TRIM and the results are the same. If you test TRiM before you clear your memory and cache, you may have a smoother/snappier feeling. This is my take on this.
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Actually, fstrim is more closer to defragging your hard drive, in a literal and figurative sense. What I'm saying here is yeah it's actually doing something (possibly) useful, but just like defragging, it's not always going to show a benefit unless your drive is really fragmented (which likely wouldn't even happen for a while, if at all). The nice thing about the ext formats is they don't exactly need this, but hey, if it works for somebody, then great!
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BossMafia2 said:
Actually, fstrim is more closer to defragging your hard drive, in a literal and figurative sense. What I'm saying here is yeah it's actually doing something (possibly) useful, but just like defragging, it's not always going to show a benefit unless your drive is really fragmented (which likely wouldn't even happen for a while, if at all). The nice thing about the ext formats is they don't exactly need this, but hey, if it works for somebody, then great!
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I agree with you on this!

There's no risk in trying, I grant you that. CROMI has been running a bit more stable without this fstrim ability than with it -- especially regarding apps force-closing. I guess everyone's mileage may vary.

Fast or full encryption?

I am planning on encrypting my phone but i was curious about the benefits of going full encryption rather than fast. I know that encryption has negligible impact on battery and speed. What does full encryption do that fast doesn't?

Well you should know if you read what your phone says on the screen... it says full encryption is the whole storage and fast is just the used storage. Full is a lot better but takes a lot longer.

Is your phone rooted? Then please don't try encrypting. I just tried and f*cked it up. Everything gone haha.

crzykiller said:
Well you should know if you read what your phone says on the screen... it says full encryption is the whole storage and fast is just the used storage. Full is a lot better but takes a lot longer.
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Yeah.. Didn't go that for and read it. Thanks. Went with full. Didn't take as long as i expected it was going to take with 64gb version
Kapitein187 said:
Is your phone rooted? Then please don't try encrypting. I just tried and f*cked it up. Everything gone haha.
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Got the AT&T version, no root options now sadly
My phone feels faster after Encryption. Had a lot of lagging before but its gone for now

How to decrypt 3A?

I'm trying to decrypt my 3A to get a little better performance. I would like to know anyone can provide a step by step instruction.
I understand that all I need may just be flashing a zip with a modified file in TWRP then reset the phone. Unfortunately, I'm not savvy enough for preparing that.
Any one can assist?
Thank you.

Me too.

Isn't encryption on Pixels hardware accelerated and therefore has zero impact on performance? At least this is what I have read about the more expensive Pixel 3.
I personally prioritize security over a small performance impact. Encryption provides great benefits in the case of loosing or reselling the phone - your data is safe from unwanted access.
It would be nice if someone could post actual benchmarks before and after disabling encryption so that others can see if it is actually worth it.

There's zero benefit from permanently decrypting on pixels

en2tri said:
Isn't encryption on Pixels hardware accelerated and therefore has zero impact on performance? At least this is what I have read about the more expensive Pixel 3.
I personally prioritize security over a small performance impact. Encryption provides great benefits in the case of loosing or reselling the phone - your data is safe from unwanted access.
It would be nice if someone could post actual benchmarks before and after disabling encryption so that others can see if it is actually worth it.
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Hardware accelerated means you still need resource to compute the encryption process. No matter how good it is, it will charge extra computation and battery anyway. The only way encryption may help would be not to leak phone information when you lose your phone. It will not happen if you care your phone enough.
If someone can provide the decryption method, I can run the benchmark to support what I say above for sure~

It will not happen if you care your phone enough.
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Really, this is your excuse?
And as far as the battery consumption goes, I think this will be a similar discussion as the dark gray vs. black OLED consumption, which saves you no more than a few seconds on a full charge.

ashatter said:
No matter how good it is, it will charge extra computation and battery anyway. ~
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https://store.google.com/product/pixel_3a_specs
https://www.blog.google/products/pixel/titan-m-makes-pixel-3-our-most-secure-phone-yet/
Everything is decrypted using the Titan M processor, not the SD670. So disabling encryption would not help increase performance. Battery doesn't take much of a hit either. Maybe a few minutes at best would be saved.

en2tri said:
Really, this is your excuse?
And as far as the battery consumption goes, I think this will be a similar discussion as the dark gray vs. black OLED consumption, which saves you no more than a few seconds on a full charge.
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Not an excuse. I only experience losing my phone for 1 time which was 14 years ago and the phone was found. Again, encrypting the phone takes extra step. Just not to do it if you could not bare the risk.
Personally, I would like to fight over the smallest trifles. It may just affect the performance and battery slightly and we can barely feel it, it is still hard for me to take it.

Uzephi said:
https://store.google.com/product/pixel_3a_specs
https://www.blog.google/products/pixel/titan-m-makes-pixel-3-our-most-secure-phone-yet/
Everything is decrypted using the Titan M processor, not the SD670. So disabling encryption would not help increase performance. Battery doesn't take much of a hit either. Maybe a few minutes at best would be saved.
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Personally, I would like to fight over the smallest trifles. It may just affect the performance and battery slightly and we can barely feel it, it is still hard for me to take it.
Since you're responding, I would like to thank all contributors like you who make our phones work better for us. We appreciate it.

en2tri said:
I personally prioritize security over a small performance impact. Encryption provides great benefits in the case of loosing or reselling the phone - your data is safe from unwanted access.
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Do you unlock your phone? If so, your encryption is basically worthless.
Sure it might keep the casual user who finds a misplaced phone from getting information off of it. But anyone with even a slight interest in cracking the phone will be able to do it if it is unlocked. Please heed the boot warning on an unlocked phone states that an unlocked phone is insecure and that no sensitive information should be stored on it.

sic0048 said:
Do you unlock your phone? If so, your encryption is basically worthless.
Sure it might keep the casual user who finds a misplaced phone from getting information off of it. But anyone with even a slight interest in cracking the phone will be able to do it if it is unlocked. Please heed the boot warning on an unlocked phone states that an unlocked phone is insecure and that no sensitive information should be stored on it.
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My phone locks after the screen turns off - either manually via power button or after 1 minute of idling. I can also lock / wipe it remotely, if needed.
I should also point out that wiping an un-encrypted device (either manual wipe or remote wipe) is totally ineffective and the "deleted" data can be very easily recovered.
In the end, it is your device with your data - do what you want with it. But disabling encryption offers zero performance improvement and negligible battery improvement.

ashatter said:
Hardware accelerated means you still need resource to compute the encryption process. No matter how good it is, it will charge extra computation and battery anyway. The only way encryption may help would be not to leak phone information when you lose your phone. It will not happen if you care your phone enough.
If someone can provide the decryption method, I can run the benchmark to support what I say above for sure~
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the same as on any other phone unlock your bootloader install custom recovery format userdata and internal storage and flash a kernel that does not force encryption

billycar11 said:
the same as on any other phone unlock your bootloader install custom recovery format userdata and internal storage and flash a kernel that does not force encryption
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I did that. It does not work. I did some research and it seems I have to edit a file to disable to force encryption.
see: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3-xl/how-to/decrypting-pixel-3-xl-t3867676

en2tri said:
My phone locks after the screen turns off - either manually via power button or after 1 minute of idling. I can also lock / wipe it remotely, if needed.
I should also point out that wiping an un-encrypted device (either manual wipe or remote wipe) is totally ineffective and the "deleted" data can be very easily recovered.
In the end, it is your device with your data - do what you want with it. But disabling encryption offers zero performance improvement and negligible battery improvement.
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Sorry, when I said "unlock your phone", I really meant bootloader unlock. I think you took it as a screen unlock. The way I wrote my comment, I totally understand the confusion.
If you bootloader unlock your phone (which many of us on this forum do to gain root), then the fact that your phone is encrypted is basically worthless. Now personally I would never worry about trying to permanently decrypt my phone even though I do bootloader unlock it, but I can understand why someone might want to.

Sorry, I misunderstood you before.
I am running an unmodified stock ROM and the bootloader was never unlocked.

7 pro getting slower?

Hi guys.
I recently switched to OnePlus ( 7 pro specifically ) and out of all the phones I've used, XS max, note 10, S10 ECT it's by far the best phone I've used. Although 1 small problem is lately my phone has been feeling like it's getting slower and slower, more and more lags seems to be happening, and things are taking a lot longer to open. Is anyone else experiencing this, or have any ideas what I could do?
Thanks in advance.

I have never experienced this. Best I could think of is to factory reset, start completely from scratch. Maybe root and try a custom kernel.

GeekMcLeod said:
I have never experienced this. Best I could think of is to factory reset, start completely from scratch. Maybe root and try a custom kernel.
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Yeah I've thought of that. I've only used 50% of my storage so I don't think that would be the case. My last resort was a factory reset and custom kernels/Roms ECT. I'll see what other ideas people have first then see how we go from there I think

Okay so I installed Beta 7 and it seems to be a bit better, still not as good as it was when I first purchased it though

Are you running android 10 or 9? I'm sticking with 9 because i had issues with 10 (so do many others) No signs of slowdown here. Ive played with a note 10 and it doesnt compare to the op7 pro in terms of performance.

equlizer said:
Are you running android 10 or 9? I'm sticking with 9 because i had issues with 10 (so do many others) No signs of slowdown here. Ive played with a note 10 and it doesnt compare to the op7 pro in terms of performance.
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I'm on 10, have thought about changing back to 9 but there's quite a few things I enjoy about 10, except the slowness.
Don't get me wrong when I first opened my 7 pro, my other devices including my S10 didn't even feel like they were in the same ball park, but now it just feels like it's getting sluggish.

I've had freezing and its only 2 months old

Shipoftheline said:
I've had freezing and its only 2 months old
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I've had a couple of things freeze for about 20 seconds then it comes good again.

Just a thought, based on something I've experienced... Are you using Magisk Hide by chance? I've noticed that some apps (Google for instance) react poorly to being targeted by Magisk Manager.

aussiesausage said:
Hi guys.
I recently switched to OnePlus ( 7 pro specifically ) and out of all the phones I've used, XS max, note 10, S10 ECT it's by far the best phone I've used. Although 1 small problem is lately my phone has been feeling like it's getting slower and slower, more and more lags seems to be happening, and things are taking a lot longer to open. Is anyone else experiencing this, or have any ideas what I could do?
Thanks in advance.
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get havoc rom, all that trash will disappear.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/development/rom-havoc-os-2-6-t3942337
also, sams has the worst software on android platforms.

Tardeaux said:
Just a thought, based on something I've experienced... Are you using Magisk Hide by chance? I've noticed that some apps (Google for instance) react poorly to being targeted by Magisk Manager.
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I'm not rooted, just stock Android 10.

It would really help by giving more info on what exactly you mean by "sluggishness". Are you saying general app opening speed/ sluggishness when typing emails/ slow bootup speeds? Where really is the problem...for all you know it could be a placebo effect or btw have you checked the screen refresh rate...is it 90hz or 60hz? Being on 90hz for so long, any other phone to me looks sluggish...

amirage said:
It would really help by giving more info on what exactly you mean by "sluggishness". Are you saying general app opening speed/ sluggishness when typing emails/ slow bootup speeds? Where really is the problem...for all you know it could be a placebo effect or btw have you checked the screen refresh rate...is it 90hz or 60hz? Being on 90hz for so long, any other phone to me looks sluggish...
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The whole phone, everything I do, nothing is instant anymore. And yes it's on 90hz, I agree I used my S10 the other day and it looked terrible scrolling through stuff compared to 90hz

I second the OP. I have an OP 7 Pro, 12GB version. And after software updates etc, I have seen slowness on my phone. However, after root and running FDE.AI once, looks much better. I have no documentation to prove that actually is the case though, maybe a placebo effect.

aussiesausage said:
The whole phone, everything I do, nothing is instant anymore. And yes it's on 90hz, I agree I used my S10 the other day and it looked terrible scrolling through stuff compared to 90hz
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Funny, I can't see such sluggishness on my OP7Pro. It will be a joke to see sluggishness on these phones given that the phone specs are nothing short of desktop-level specs. I would highly recommend factory resetting your device or better yet starting right from scratch i.e. doing a fastboot stock rom flash using the latest update. This should (hopefully) iron out your issues. I'd also suggest being a bit careful on the apps that you install and rather not restore from google backups. It's best to start afresh (at least once in a while)

Just curious... Have you tried shutting off the animations or at sped them up?
I scaled mine down to 0 and my device is blazing fast now.

amirage said:
Funny, I can't see such sluggishness on my OP7Pro. It will be a joke to see sluggishness on these phones given that the phone specs are nothing short of desktop-level specs. I would highly recommend factory resetting your device or better yet starting right from scratch i.e. doing a fastboot stock rom flash using the latest update. This should (hopefully) iron out your issues. I'd also suggest being a bit careful on the apps that you install and rather not restore from google backups. It's best to start afresh (at least once in a while)
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That is my plan providing I can't do anything without factoring resetting.
room511 said:
Just curious... Have you tried shutting off the animations or at sped them up?
I scaled mine down to 0 and my device is blazing fast now.
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No I haven't actually, I'll give that a go and see how I go

If you've used up 50% of your storage then of course the phone will be processing things slower than a phone that had nothing stored in it. That effect occurs with every device that has memory.

GeeAyeZee said:
If you've used up 50% of your storage then of course the phone will be processing things slower than a phone that had nothing stored in it. That effect occurs with every device that has memory.
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Well I've been at over 70% storage used for the past few months and have seen zero drop in performance. My pixel 2 xl is 80% storage used and it to performs as if it was bone stock. I have over 100 apps on my OP7 pro and haven't lost anything that I didn't have in terms of battery and performance. I swear I don't know what some people do with there phones but issues like these and battery usually come from poorly coded apps. You also can't download PornHub mobile and expect it not to come with consequence of some sort.

GeeAyeZee said:
If you've used up 50% of your storage then of course the phone will be processing things slower than a phone that had nothing stored in it. That effect occurs with every device that has memory.
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I've had multiple devices where I've used well over 50% storage and never had any issues.
mookiexl said:
Well I've been at over 70% storage used for the past few months and have seen zero drop in performance. My pixel 2 xl is 80% storage used and it to performs as if it was bone stock. I have over 100 apps on my OP7 pro and haven't lost anything that I didn't have in terms of battery and performance. I swear I don't know what some people do with there phones but issues like these and battery usually come from poorly coded apps. You also can't download PornHub mobile and expect it not to come with consequence of some sort.
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There's a pornhub mobile app? I didn't even know, cheers ???
Kidding, but serious. I am not sure what's happening, maybe I have some app that's causing stupid issues I am not sure, I think I'm gonna factory reset and go from there I think.

Question 2+ Week impressions

Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol

Try clearing the system cache.
All Samsung's need to be optimized and I'm not talking about enabling power management. It tends to do the opposite and will likely cause erratic behavior.
What's going on with the ram?
Wonder if scoped storage is helping to screw it up? It uses extra cpu cycles not sure if it impacts ram usage though. I deliberately avoided Android 11 and 12 because of it... no regrets.

blackhawk said:
Try clearing the system cache.
All Samsung's need to be optimized and I'm not talking about enabling power management. It tends to do the opposite and will likely cause erratic behavior.
What's going on with the ram?
Wonder if scoped storage is helping to screw it up? It uses extra cpu cycles not sure if it impacts ram usage though. I deliberately avoided Android 11 and 12 because of it... no regrets.
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Just seems like only 4 apps at a time can stay in memory anything after that is reloaded.

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Just seems like only 4 apps at a time can stay in memory anything after that is reloaded.
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Can you change that in Developer options?
Standard limit... or did they change the "standard"?
Lol, I close out apps constantly especially Brave browser which always runs in the background otherwise.

joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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Exynos i think?

joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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I think people need to accept that Android is essentially malware and was designed by a company to continuously extract as much information on you as possible behind the scenes. I would estimate at least 90% of all Android apps participate in this game to gain your info for profit. People wonder why phones are sluggish with all this activity happening in the background. This is the cost for all of us users to get an OS and application environment for free.
So the fact that each of us needs to fine tune, debloat, optimize, etc on any new phone to reign in the OS and apps to get acceptable performance is not something new. It really is a journey to research and get any phone working smoothly as each one of us has different use cases.
PS - my new S22 Ultra (SD/T-Mobile) is fast as lightning and I'm very happy with it.

This has been the worst new phone transition I've ever had. From trying to order to Samsung stretching the truth about the specs, to configuring every app from scratch. To multiple Factory Resets just to solve something buggy. To Google apps not performing the same.
I expected the major debloat and privacy settings. I did not expect T-Mo to install Facebook 4 times nor that it would take 6 phone calls to unlock a phone I paid for fully.
I am happy with the performance, screen, and the camera is beyond words. Hoping I am about done configuring and side loading. adb is your friend.

So far, the S22 Ultra feels like the Note20 Ultra with faster data speeds, better battery life, and slightly better camera. There is nothing earth shattering but overall seems a bit better. My only complaints are the weaker vibrate motor and lack of microSD card support.
I had a chance to test the S21 Ultra against the S22 Ultra and found the S21 Ultra to have slightly better speakers, stronger vibration motor, slightly better battery life and it's nice that it comes with up to 16 GB RAM. It's easier to hold as well, but the screen aspect ratio is less practical in many cases. It also gets warmer than the S22 Ultra.
For everything that improves with these iterative upgrades, there are a few steps back. If you're happy with your Note20 Ultra or S21 Ultra, I'd say there's no rush to upgrade unless you get an amazing deal.

joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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Not seeing any of the lag with shutter you talking about. With or without the flash and 4k 60fps video recording works fine too even in the dark. As for the Ram+ I got mine set at 8gb and I can open and run 12 apps without any problem whatsoever. Never had any problems with T-Mobile signal. Maybe you should try a fresh install? I havent really had any issues since day one other than battery life sucks. I didn't do a fresh install either. I just used Samsung Smartwatch to setup the phone exactly like my S20U which I traded for the Unlocked 512gb using a prepaid T-Mobile plan so no T-mobile software or bloat on here.

Rubby1025 said:
I think people need to accept that Android is essentially malware and was designed by a company to continuously extract as much information on you as possible behind the scenes. I would estimate at least 90% of all Android apps participate in this game to gain your info for profit. People wonder why phones are sluggish with all this activity happening in the background. This is the cost for all of us users to get an OS and application environment for free.
So the fact that each of us needs to fine tune, debloat, optimize, etc on any new phone to reign in the OS and apps to get acceptable performance is not something new. It really is a journey to research and get any phone working smoothly as each one of us has different use cases.
PS - my new S22 Ultra (SD/T-Mobile) is fast as lightning and I'm very happy with it.
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Sorry. No. This ain't it cheif. People make the same argument for TVs (that if they were to make "dummy" TVs without Android it would be a $5K set... um $5K TVs exist and still have the spyware). The gaslighting by manufacturers is real.
Also 2~5K sets then did indeed exist, and for the sake of argument I'm not gonna talk inflation cause it really didn't change /that/ much aside from all mfr's getting greedy since covid. 2010's "smart" TVs didn't exist and the "smart" features were only on more expensive sets, as well as being more useless than today.
I paid for the hardware. But it's a "license to use" argument is the same bull that the pro-copyright NES crowd uses... sheesh

Paul_Deemer said:
Not seeing any of the lag with shutter you talking about. With or without the flash and 4k 60fps video recording works fine too even in the dark. As for the Ram+ I got mine set at 8gb and I can open and run 12 apps without any problem whatsoever. Never had any problems with T-Mobile signal. Maybe you should try a fresh install? I havent really had any issues since day one other than battery life sucks. I didn't do a fresh install either. I just used Samsung Smartwatch to setup the phone exactly like my S20U which I traded for the Unlocked 512gb using a prepaid T-Mobile plan so no T-mobile software or bloat on here.
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Something is wrong if you're getting bad battery life. It's because you didn't do a fresh install, try factory resetting and it'll be way better.
S22 Ultra 5G US AT&T locked Snapdragon 512gb AVC8 flashed U1 firmware

Kris_b1104 said:
Something is wrong if you're getting bad battery life. It's because you didn't do a fresh install, try factory resetting and it'll be way better.
S22 Ultra 5G US AT&T locked Snapdragon 512gb AVC8 flashed U1 firmware
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Factory reset guarantees nothing. Best to find the root cause to avoid a recurrence. Since each load is unique to the user, unique issues can and do evolve.
Use factory reset for: major upgrades, if you used SmartSwitch (don't make the same mistake twice), malware or if a buggy 3rd party app that altered hidden user settings you can't undo.

blackhawk said:
Factory reset guarantees nothing. Best to find the root cause to avoid a recurrence. Since each load is unique to the user, unique issues can and do evolve.
Use factory reset for: major upgrades, if you used SmartSwitch (don't make the same mistake twice), malware or if a buggy 3rd party app that altered hidden user settings you can't undo.
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It's a last resort but if has to be done then that's what you gotta do. It's the endgame. If it don't work after that your screwed.

Paul_Deemer said:
It's a last resort but if has to be done then that's what you gotta do. It's the endgame. If it don't work after that your screwed.
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If you inadvertently add the app(s) or setting(s) that caused it, you just shot yourself in the foot, again.
Never use SmartSwitch if the first load went bad using it, do a clean load instead.
Tracking down the cause can be time consuming but it's a lesson learned and time saved in the future; a reload is very time consuming. I reserve it for primarily boot loops and persistent malware.
My current load has been saved from a factory reset a couple of times, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. It will be 2 yo this June.
Some those fixes seemed impossible at first but all were done within the confines of a stock Android without using adb edits, etc.

blackhawk said:
If you inadvertently add the app(s) or setting(s) that caused it, you just shot yourself in the foot, again.
Never use SmartSwitch if the first load went bad using it, do a clean load instead.
Tracking down the cause can be time consuming but it's a lesson learned and time saved in the future; a reload is very time consuming. I reserve it for primarily boot loops and persistent malware.
My current load has been saved from a factory reset a couple of times, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. It will be 2 yo this June.
Some those fixes seemed impossible at first but all were done within the confines of a stock Android without using adb edits, etc.
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Well I haven't had a single issue with mine even using smart switch but others heve. Guess I am just one of the lucky ones.

Paul_Deemer said:
Well I haven't had a single issue with mine even using smart switch but others heve. Guess I am just one of the lucky ones.
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That's a good thing
It's completely unpredictable. I've used SmartSwitch without issues. I don't trust it at all though... I remember Kies
It may have screwed up the load on my newest N10+, still troubleshooting it. It developed a... lag No big deal.
Almost all issues can be resolved by simply "playing" with it, Adroids wuv attention.