Hello all,
In smart manager I can see that KNOX is disabled. Is it ok to enable this? Or will this cause problems with rooting the device later on? What's the advantage of enabling it?
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Nobody?
I deleted knox lol
Keep it disabled, enabling it will cause problems when/if you try to root.
It's the main source for all of the "Galaxy S6 (Edge) - Powered by Android" bootloops.
Paradoxumical said:
Keep it disabled, enabling it will cause problems when/if you try to root.
It's the main source for all of the "Galaxy S6 (Edge) - Powered by Android" bootloops.
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But isn't that the knox bootloader that anyone has regardless of using the knox security that you can find in smart manager? Isn't that more like a virus scanner that has nothing to do with the knox trigger in the bootloader?
swa100 said:
But isn't that the knox bootloader that anyone has regardless of using the knox security that you can find in smart manager? Isn't that more like a virus scanner that has nothing to do with the knox trigger in the bootloader?
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Nope, not at all. Hit the learn more link under the option to activate the protection.
It's total bogus. They're actually monitoring the system, kernel, etc.,. for unauthorized changes.
When those changes are detected, the phone craps itself.
Hi paraduxomical, i was enable my knox in my smart manager , then now i notice it was not enabled and when i tried to enabled back .. it shows an error message "Unable to use knox active protection . Device has no root key " any suggestion ? Thanks and best regards
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1. Did anyone try KingRoot and found a working method?
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
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1) no
2) no one used it so they can't say what it does, if anything
Mystixor said:
2. Does this trip the Knox Counter as soon as it works?
Both questions are related to the portable version of KingRoot for Android.
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Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
the_scotsman said:
Any method of rooting this device will trip the Knox counter.
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Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Mystixor said:
Really? And I always thought it was due to flashing a new firmware...
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Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
the_scotsman said:
Nope, flashing new official samsung firmware won't trip Knox.
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Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Mystixor said:
Well what I wanted to stress wasn't that a custom firmware trips Knox but that KingRoot does not flash a new firmware and therefore potentially does not trip Knox. All it uses is an exploit to change some specific root-determining system files.
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Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system files.
The Knox security bombproof to the level that a physical fuse is blown inside the phone when Knox is tripped, meaning there is no way to un-trip Knox through software once it's been tripped. It's possible to fool the ROM to think that it's not tripped (like some S8 ported ROMs, to enable secure folder), but warranty can never be restored, as the Knox counter in download mode can't be tricked.
galaxyYtester said:
Knox detects if system files are changed, it is simply not possible to change or modify any system files in any way without tripping Knox. So if you managed to use any sort of 3rd party application to root (not possible currently), the application would trip Knox, because it modifies system.
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It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
skinza said:
It was possible
Kingroot used to work on s6 you could root with knox intact and use all root features only thing that would trip knox was custom recovery and/or rom
Wish it could be done with s8
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
galaxyYtester said:
That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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Yep, Knox is totally solid these days. Its impossible to not trip it when rooting. F*** it and root the phone anyway, if it breaks ill claim it on insurance not through warranty.
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That was over 2 years ago, when you could use root tools to reset the counter back to not tripped. Nowadays the security is much more strict, and there's a physical fuse inside the phone that gets blown when Knox is tripped. Knox isn't a bootloader-only thing anymore, now it scans system files to see any third party tampering, and gets tripped if it's detected.
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There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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I didn't mean that, I meant that if you rooted with a method that worked through bootloader (Not kingoroot), you still could restore Knox to not tripped through root tools. Knox security used to be that simple to bypass, nowadays it's impossible to revert once tripped.
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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BereanPK said:
Having successfully rooted two HTC devices and a Samsung devices in the past and loved every minute of it, I was kinda excited when Kingroot props said it was possible to root the later Notes... but I never did my old Note 4, partially but not primarily because of the Knox issue.
I've heard different things RE: Knox, pretty much covers what everyone else has been saying here (no way to reset Knox, possible to reset Knox, "soft-root" via Kingroot trips/doesn't trip Knox counter, etc.) Personally, since the Note 4 issue where (correct me if I'm wrong) that Samsung phone was the first one that full rooting was impossible, I've pretty much given up on rooting for a while. Though S8+ may be possible to root (provided you're OK with possibly never resetting Knox), I'm OK with my S8+ non-rooted stock (for now), just like I HAD to be OK with my old Note 4 never being able to be rooted.
I guess my bottom line take on all this is, root at your own risk, know what you're doing, and do it if you can say "Knox be damned" and have no intention of trading the phone back in or reselling it to someone who knows nothing about rooting.
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Root became possible on note 4 after a program to alter cid to dev version was released. Also because something was possible before shouldn't mean it's possible anymore as things are updated, common sense.
skinza said:
There was no need to reset anything i rooted used some tweaks then when i restored my knox was still 0x0
I never phiscally reset anything
Even while i was rooted my phone still said 0x0
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As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
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As I said, it's not possible to root the S8 without tripping Knox. Regardless of how it was with the S6. This is the S8, it's different. It cannot be done.
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Definitely
Those days are over unless someone gets lucky,i know they wont though just wishful thinking
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
rk73 said:
Well.. Do samsung says knox became bulletproof, or does the best hackers see it that way to?
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Both sides.
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Hey guys,
I just got a used S8+. Upon booting up it was a clean factory reset. I went forward with the setup.
When i open up Samsung Pay i get the "samsung pay access to samsung pay has been denied...." msg.
This phone is not rooted, i have downloaded a root check and comes back as false.
The person who had the phone never rooted the phone.
And i also get this notification " Security Notice, unauthorized actions have been detected..."
Also secure folder has issues.
Secure folder cannot be set up because unauthorized software was installed on the device.
Anyone know what could be wrong with it?
try reset with smart switch on pc.
MINTED7 said:
try reset with smart switch on pc.
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The new SS does not allow resetting.
I just launched it and it said that.
Unless you know of a version that supports this.
Hello! I have Knox Enterprise Enrollment service active on my J330F (J3 2017 - android 7) and I want to remove it but I don't know how. I tried with TWRP installed, but no luck. Is possible to permanently remove Knox Enterprise Entrollment service from Samsung J330F ?
Knox is a PIA
The only thing I hve been able to do with knox is reset the phone back to factory then use All in one toolbox to cancel it's startup entry. Basically keeps it from booting when you restart your phone. other than that i have no other options. If anyone else has the solution, please let us know.
diavas2007 said:
Hello! I have Knox Enterprise Enrollment service active on my J330F (J3 2017 - android 7) and I want to remove it but I don't know how. I tried with TWRP installed, but no luck. Is possible to permanently remove Knox Enterprise Entrollment service from Samsung J330F ?
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huckfinn9 said:
The only thing I hve been able to do with knox is reset the phone back to factory then use All in one toolbox to cancel it's startup entry. Basically keeps it from booting when you restart your phone. other than that i have no other options. If anyone else has the solution, please let us know.
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Can you please provide how to use the all in one toolbox thing to do what you did ?
ion my case, A520F, the knox thing enables FRP Lock, so, it is a bit hard...
I can use Combination file to access Adb mode, then can Remove FRP, and gain partial access to system, but after knox runs, it enables its security policy and enable FRP again and disable ADB access
yurais said:
Can you please provide how to use the all in one toolbox thing to do what you did ?
ion my case, A520F, the knox thing enables FRP Lock, so, it is a bit hard...
I can use Combination file to access Adb mode, then can Remove FRP, and gain partial access to system, but after knox runs, it enables its security policy and enable FRP again and disable ADB access
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You have to stop the start up entry with thew Boot Speedup option in All in one Toolbox. You will see "User Apps" on the left and "System Apps" on the right. Choose System apps and then scroll till you find the Knox apps. You have to disable all of them I think. They are the Knox Folder container, Knox Apps Update, Knox Setup Wizzard, Knox Enrollment Service and the Knox app itself. And this only stops it from starting up when you reboot the phone. Whatever triggers it to start after the phone boots is a mystery to me, I sure as hell dont try to open it myself, LOL! That is why you have to disable all of it and immediately try to root the phone as soon as it boots up. Don't give it time to wake up!
I"d like to root my new phone before putting any stuff on it, but according to the Magisk installation guide using it will trip Knox.
Already knowing the unofficial software warning when rebooting from my current phone, this is a nuisance i"d like to avoid.
Sadly, the disable option for all Knox apps is inaccessible.
Does anyone know how to enable disabling them on the not yet rooted phone?
I am unable to create secure folder in my s22 ultra . While I am trying to create secure folder it says "If this keeps happening , contact customer service" . I tested my device via Samsung members app and I noticed something strange . I have attached the screenshot below. I really want to fix this software issue and secure folder . Please anyone help me out. I also tried clean flash via odin . But the issue is same. I formatted the device and restored the OS. But that doesn't help. Please help me out. Thanks .
Is it rooted? Rooting disables Knox, which is what Secure Folder, Samsung Wallet, DeX, and many banking apps require to run or work.
I rooted it earlier but then I removed root and flashed stock firmware . Now my device is not rooted and the bootloader is also locked . And after locking the bootloader , I flashed stock firmware again . But the issue is still same. How can I reflash full stock firmware so that I can enjoy all of the knox essential apps.
Knox is removed and you cant use secure folder anymore.
Is there any way to fix this .? Or , I need to visit customer service .?
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Is there any way to fix this .? Or , I need to visit customer service .?
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Once you root, knox tripped forever and some knox apps won't work. Nothing can help but buy a new device/replace mobo
dr.ketan said:
Once you root, knox tripped forever and some knox apps won't work. Nothing can help but buy a new device/replace mobo
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^this^
The efuse is a physical micro fuse that's part of the chipset.
arslaankhan said:
Is there any way to fix this .? Or , I need to visit customer service .?
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Only fix is replacing the phone motherboard...in a service yes
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Only fix is replacing the phone motherboard...in a service yes
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That won't be cheap. Samsung seems to accept knox tripped phones for trade ups though. So best course of action probably is to live with it and wait.
Knox isn't that useful, but having it tripped may skew banking apps... more work arounds to do, or just access banking through the browser which is a better plan anyway.
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I rooted it earlier but then I removed root and flashed stock firmware . Now my device is not rooted and the bootloader is also locked . And after locking the bootloader , I flashed stock firmware again . But the issue is still same. How can I reflash full stock firmware so that I can enjoy all of the knox essential apps.
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Rooting trips an "e-fuse" that breaks Knox. Restoring to stock, locking the bootloader, and un-rooting doesn't fix it. As far as I know, once that e-fuse is tripped there is no way to get Knox back short of sending it to Samsung.
You fu##ked your device men. And how can you bring it to customer service if the knox is already tripped
They even not take it for other stuff if knox is tripped and imagine you're going just for knox
Mr Hassan said:
You fu##ked your device men. And how can you bring it to customer service if the knox is already tripped
They even not take it for other stuff if knox is tripped and imagine you're going just for knox
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With a warranty repair of any kind Samsung may charge you to replace the mobo.
However knox being tripped isn't on their trade-in criteria list.
What stops working when knox is tripped.
Download a module to solve the problem that a secure folder cannot be created after root. Support one UI (4.1)
After installation, restart to create a secure folder
blackhawk said:
.... Samsung seems to accept knox tripped phones for trade ups though....
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Well in some regions/countries maybe but in others they just started to accept trade in of normal functional devices.
I agree with you...if you did it, at least you did it for a reason so live with it, rooting offers some benefits if you use them.
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Well in some regions/countries maybe but in others they just started to accept trade in of normal functional devices.
I agree with you...if you did it, at least you did it for a reason so live with it, rooting offers some benefits if you use them.
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Agreed, not the end of the world. I run stock N10+'s but don't use any of the knox features, never have.
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Agreed, not the end of the world. I run stock N10+'s but don't use any of the knox features, never have.
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If you use banking apps, then you are using a Knox feature. Most banking apps rely on Knox for secure banking.
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If you use banking apps, then you are using a Knox feature. Most banking apps rely on Knox for secure banking.
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Not, logon through the browser...
blackhawk said:
Not, logon through the browser...
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You do it through the browser because you think the apps are susceptible to being hacked?
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You do it through the browser because you think the apps are susceptible to being hacked?
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No social media or shopping apps either.
It's loose ends I don't want or need. Small wonder people have trouble with malware/spyware, just look at the junkware they eagerly load themselves.
The browser provides another layer of protection and isolation. The load speed is fast too.
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